Do you think the USA's official account of 9/11 is legitimate or suspcious?
I swear I think I teeter-totter between belief and disbelief year after year. I remember when things first starting coming out people said they heard explosions, and no one knew how debris could make building 7 also collapse so efficiently. Then the myriad of conspiracy information from the "dancing israelis" scandal (Mossad agents posing as art students) and previous attempts to take the towers down, the ease of which nearly completely in tact passports were conveniently found, presence of thermite on the ground, supposedly testimony that the twin towers were built to withstand the very thing that took them down, the suspicious insurance purchases by the Twin Towers owner and some other company at the port. I don't trust my government to tell the truth, at all, so I am certainly not ruling out a major conspiracy. However, a conspiracy so large would surely have more cracks or more leaks from people involved? Not sure. I still like to peruse this site from time to time, seeing the new posts from Architectural Engineers for 9/11 truth. https://www.ae911truth.org/ Would love to see takes from people on this site, whether you think the conspiracy is dumb or has some merit.
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Mod comment. The question isn't technically open, but I'll let that slide. It's also perilously close to a breach of rule 6, so stay away from politics please.
are you joking?
There is enough evidence to believe the account of how various buildings in the World Trade Center collapsed. This includes the failure mode of Building 7 mirroring a major fire in 1 Meridian Plaza at Philadelphia which suffered significant structural damage due to fire; the requirement for major skyscrapers to have fire sprinklers throughout the building came from the 1 Meridian Plaza fire.
I'm only speaking to the affects of the planes hitting the Twin Towers. I can't speak to the accuracy of anything happening beforehand to the attack, but the damage of the attack follows how these buildings would respond to the disaster. This includes Building 7.
legitamate. the whole thing boils down to a president refusing to speak with his predecessor and do a proper turnover so was blindsided by something that was well known. The patriot act was essentially a law to fix a president not doing thier job.
Legit. Instead, the average USA citizen suffers from conspiracytitis, an affliction that makes them believe in ghosts, big foot, that Elvis is still alive, UFOs… all that shit that ordinary people across the world will simply wave off.
While there is much evidence of foreign involvement I have no doubt there was intense fuckery on the American side going on. Collusion, in fact. There's just too many 'coincidences' and random things.
The official narrative is wrong and wrong on purpose. The true story will probably never be known.
They say it was caused by "planes", which are supposed to be building sized machines made out of metal flying high in the air.
Metal. You heard me right.
Now go outside and lift your car and then tell me a car the size of a building could just fly high in the air and hit the top of a skyscraper.
Pure madness!
You're on to something. Did Afghanistan create the first trebuchet that could throw a plane to a distance of 12000 km (7500 miles)?
And did the CIA hide that fact? That's the real conspiracy.
I think they didn't even have to.
Given the fact that the world leading lizard people are living inside of the hollow earth, they just had to drop the plane from there and hit the WTC from below!
You still think 9/11 happened? It was all done in a studio.
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers was released in 2002. It’s like Peter Jackson was bragging about filming 9/11.
Stanley Kubrick faked the moon landing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories#Origins), you found the truth about Peter Jackson, it's incredible!
Being a protectionist, his insistent it be filmed on location.
A studio on the moon.
the towers just did that
if youre here to actually learn. https://www.metabunk.org/mirror/www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm
Why be snarky? Id love to look at your linked article, and will look when I get off work Edit:spelling
snarky?
I thought you were pleasant enough while noting OP could be a troll.
When building the world's tallest towers in one of the most densely populated areas on the planet...
Designing it to collapse straight down is a good idea.
I mean, that was real...
But more likely they were just celebrating upcoming war, and didn't know ahead of time. Worst case scenario Israel may have knew it was coming, I doubt the people watching were told, that's too risk for them to know ahead of time, just tell them "you'll know it when you see it".
Would be crazier if they got it on the first try...
They tend to make passports and other important IDs pretty sturdy...
I don't know about all that...
But you can't design a skyscraper today to withstand a passenger jet slamming into it bro...
It's a giant plane, it's gonna fuck up a building. The absolute best case scenario, is designing it to fall straight down, instead of starting a game of dominos and taking down every skyscraper.
https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/19930227/1687698/twin-towers-engineered-to-withstand-jet-collision "analysis that showed the towers would withstand the impact of a Boeing 707" I think the argument is that the 747s are much larger than 707s and they didnt account for the effect of the jet fuel.
Yeah, just like the Titanic being unsinkable proves what really sank it was the Nazis living in the center of the Earth with the tooth fairy...
Read widely from various sources you vet and try to be as media literate as possible.
For this to be a conspiracy, everyone who worked and visited building 7 would have to be in on it or pressured to stay quiet.
Why? In order to pancake a building with explosives, all drywall has to be removed as well as parts of the framing have to be cut.
Hot take: 9/11 conspiracies are an al-Qaeda psyop to sow dissent and take the U.S. down from within.
Real hot take:
The CIA spread conspiracy theories that Bush did it, to discredit the truth: That Cheney knew specifically of the attack and what planes were to be targeted.
He intentionally sat on information that could have prevented it, not even telling the president. Because he knew it would justify a war and get lil Bush (and by extension himself) four more years.
And that would have been possible, because Cheney had restructured all the intelligence agencies to report directly to him, if he didn't pass something on to Bush personally, Bush never knew about it.
And the entire point of Bush being president, was to be the face and fall guy for Cheney.
See, now, as much as this is a conspiracy theory, it doesn't flatly contradict reality. It's not implausible on the face of it, given what we know. I'm agnostic about it, because at the end of the day, it doesn't really even matter whether anybody knew exactly when and where. The Bushies knew an attack was coming—multiple sources (the Clinton team, the FBI, the CIA)—and they did nothing. That's enough to damn them.
This is what we should be focusing our attention on, not trying to prove that buildings which suffer severe structural damage, for which they weren't designed, somehow wouldn't fall down.
What do you mean thermite on the ground? 😂
You know, steel from the buildings and aluminum from the airplanes.
Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects.
Huh. A genuine ask lemmy question to see what people think and post is already downvoted 4x more than upvoted. Whatever, no point spending time in a hostile ass space.
cause you’re sealioning 911 conspiracy nonsense
"Sealioning is an online trolling tactic where someone pesters another person with endless, bad-faith requests for evidence and proof while pretending to be polite and reasonable." I'm not "sealioning". I never pestered someone for evidence I asked people's opnions on some common conspiracy points. I've no need to be "polite" anymore if youre going to lie about me. You and your ilk are just pricks.
yes you defined sealioning correctly.
you’re also “just asking questions” about a 20+ year old conspiracy theory. are you asking questions about that in good faith?
the moment youre challenged, and no one engaged in your nonsense, you get upset.
sealion
youre upset no one wants to engage your nonsense.
Sit quietly. Then, ask your intuition to reveal to you the truth of the matter, and wait to feel the response.
Considering it was all to start a fake war for oil, yeah I'm on team 9/11 was hella suspicious.
Maybe in 30 years, if climate collapse and resource depletion haven't by some miracle ended us all, the cia might release the files on what actually happened. I doubt it though.
I guess the downvoters forgot that the US literally started a war with the wrong country based on false premises? Also, everyone knew that before the war started, too.