Jesse Chappus interviews Bella Ma (Steak and Butter Gal)
Bella Ma, better known as Steak and Butter Gal, is a Juilliard-trained musician, carnivore diet advocate, and founder of The Steak & Butter Gang.
::: spoiler Summary
I. Pre-Carnivore Health Background
- Age 17, pianist, classical performer
- Concerned about weight gain, concert dresses fitting tighter
- Discovered Freelee the Banana Girl online
- Adopted Raw Till 4 vegan diet (raw fruits/veggies until 4 PM, then cooked starches)
- Initial weight loss from eliminating seed oils, takeout, fast food
- Stayed vegan for 6 years due to community influence
II. Health Decline on Vegan Diet
- Lost period
- Skin damage (cystic acne, eczema, psoriasis)
- Brain fog
- Accepted to Juilliard for master's degree despite diet
- Performance suffered: anxiety attacks, memory slips on stage
- Blood test revealed deficiencies in B12, vitamin D
- Doctor advised supplementing or eating meat
III. Transition to Carnivore
- Inspired by Azra Conlu, KasumiKriss, Kelly Hogan
- First bite: scrambled eggs in Kerrygold butter
- Immediate sensation of "coming back to life"
- Progression: eggs → ground beef → fatty steaks (ribeye, NY strip)
- Full year of eggs, butter, ground beef, steaks
IV. Appetite Evolution
- Initial ravenous phase: up to 5 lbs beef/day, 48 eggs/day, 1 stick butter/day
- Lasted ~1.5 years, began settling after 6 months
- Natural progression: 5 meals/day → 4 → 3 → 2 meals/day → OMAD
- OMAD phase lasted ~1 year
- Eventually reached point of losing too much weight
V. Weight Gain and Loss Timeline
- Immediate weight gain on carnivore (3,000-5,000 calories/day)
- Period returned within 3 months
- Brain fog cleared within weeks
- Weight gain continued for 6 months, then stabilized
- Weight began dropping at 1 year
- Lean physique emerged at 2 years
- Year 3: experiments (raw organs, beef-only, ribeye-only, OMAD)
- Year 4: began weightlifting, significant weight loss
- Years 5-6: established workout routine
- Year 7 (current): raw dairy emphasis
VI. Raw Dairy Integration
- Previously lactose intolerant (common in Asians)
- Difference between raw and pasteurized dairy
- Current consumption: cottage cheese, kefir, raw cheese, raw butter, raw cream
- Tolerates raw dairy without flare-ups
- Pasteurized dairy causes skin issues
- Raw dairy helps build muscle, maintain healthy weight
VII. High-Fat Carnivore Approach
- Inspired by Dr. Elizabeth Bright
- Initial protocol: 1 stick of butter/day
- Fat-to-protein ratio: 1.5:1 to 2:1
- Symptom of insufficient fat: irritability
- Benefits: period return, fertility, feminine curves, reduced bloat
- No tracking of macros; listens to body signals
VIII. Ketosis and Blood Glucose
- Assumes ketosis most of the time
- Tested blood glucose during sardine fast: ~60
- Tested ketones: ~1.5
- Long-term carnivores become fat-adapted without need for tracking
IX. Sardine Fast Experiment
- Inspired by Dr. Boz
- Mistake: ate 4 cans first meal → nausea for remaining 72 hours
- Learned sardine satiation hits ~1 hour after eating
- Future approach: start with 1 can
- Did not experience intense mental clarity due to poor start
X. Beef-Only Experiment
- Inspired by Raymond Nazon, Mikhaila Peterson, Charlene and Joe Anderson
- Included all beef cuts: ground beef, flanken short ribs, ribeye, NY strip, chuck roasts
- Results: weight loss, intense mental clarity, glowing skin
- Exited experiment due to no debilitating diseases
XI. Raw Carnivore Experiment
- Inspired by Emily Penton (healing MS)
- One day of raw ribeye: 1 lb provided full satiation
- Raw meat requires much smaller portions
- Current trend among young people (looksmaxxing/facemaxxing)
- Bella prefers seared meat for enjoyment
XII. Raw Organs Experiment
- Goal: heal cystic acne
- Raw liver for 30 days straight
- Disliked taste; froze and swallowed with coffee
- Skin improved but not worth the suffering
- Current solution: braunschweiger from US Wellness Meats
XIII. Workout and Athletic Performance
- Year 4: began weightlifting
- Current: dumbbells, 1-hour sessions
- Recovery challenges on strict carnivore
- Husband thrives on carbs with intense athletic activity
- Open to experimenting with carbs during potential pregnancy
XIV. Common Newcomer Issues and Solutions
- Muscle cramps (charley horses): electrolytes, salt, magnesium spray
- Energy dips: adaptation period, don't undereat
- Sugar cravings/voice: part of withdrawal
- Irregular periods: adaptation phase
- Sleep issues: increase fat intake, bedside butter trick
- Raymond's priming protocol: 3 meals/day → 2 meals → OMAD → alternate-day fasting over 90 days
XV. Fat Alternatives to Butter
- Ghee (clarified butter, no lactose)
- Tallow (beef fat, highest smoke point)
- Suet (raw tallow, per Rebekah Heishman)
- Lard (less inflammatory for some)
- Duck fat
- Fat from fatty meats
XVI. Men vs. Women on Carnivore
- Men lose weight faster and more immediately
- Men tolerate advanced fasting better (Raymond's Level 3)
- Women need to prioritize eating enough
- Men withstand more physical stress while fasting
XVII. Menopausal and Perimenopausal Women
- Must prioritize high-fat carnivore
- Cannot do OMAD (causes hot flashes)
- Gentle priming recommended: grazing throughout day
- Also beneficial for gastric bypass/Roux-en-Y patients
XVIII. Bowel Movement Changes
- Less frequent bowel movements (normal)
- Constipation: electrolytes, more salt, magnesium, less cheese
- Loose stools/diarrhea: cut fat temporarily, taper up slowly
- Ox bile supplement for severe cases
- Adaptation period: 30-90 days
XIX. Supplements
- Currently takes none (year 7)
- Previously tried: vitamin D/K2 (Seattle), colostrum (1% improvement)
- Iodine: tried once with Dr. Bright, planning for pregnancy
- Ox bile: recommended for severe diarrhea cases
XX. Electrolytes and Salt Journey
- No-salt carnivore for 4 years (learned from Zeroing in on Health Facebook group)
- Felt great without salt initially
- Every salt experiment caused bloating, lethargy, puffiness
- Began salting to taste after starting intense workouts (year 5-6)
- Husband requires daily electrolytes
- Bella considers her no-salt success an anomaly
XXI. Typical Day (Current)
- Wake 6-7 AM
- Breakfast: 1 lb ground beef + 8 scrambled eggs in butter + 2-4 tbsp cold raw butter
- Black coffee after breakfast only
- Workout 1-2 PM
- Dinner 4-6 PM: flash-seared steak (NY strip/ribeye/flanken short ribs), 1-2 lbs
- Raw cottage cheese, raw kefir as dessert
- No eating past 6 PM
- Bed by 10 PM
XXII. Dietary Variety
- Seafood: raw oysters, sashimi, wild-caught salmon/tuna/yellowtail
- Rare lamb from BillyDoe Meats (no gaminess)
- Carnivore cake/pancakes for celebrations
- No cheat meals with sugar/carbs/fruit in 7 years
XXIII. Unexpected Benefits
- No body odor (no deodorant, no perfume, no body wash)
- Boundless energy
- Mental health transformation: confidence, motivation, genuine happiness
- Clear skin, high self-esteem
- Creativity and mental clarity restored
XXIV. Performance and Human Potential
- Juilliard acceptance was willpower, not diet
- Burned out on vegan diet
- Carnivore enables effortless performance
- Most people operate below potential due to brain fog from carbs/seed oils/processed foods
XXV. Non-Dietary Healing Factors
- Daily physical activity (adapted to ability level)
- Journaling symptoms and progress
- Mental health care
- Community support
XXVI. Cooking Fats by Application
- Butter: medium heat, scrambles
- Ghee: high smoke point, flash searing
- Tallow: deep frying, no flavor
- Raw butter: eaten cold to preserve enzymes/probiotics
XXVII. Beverages
- Black coffee (after breakfast only)
- Sparkling water, water (all temperatures)
- Raw kefir (dessert)
- Bone broth (winter); "jiggly jello" from oxtail/chicken drumsticks in Instant Pot
XXVIII. Food Sourcing Philosophy
- Avoids grocery chains and conventional brands (Tyson)
- Direct farm purchases: US Wellness Farms, Miller's Bio Farm, BillyDoe Meats, McCafferty Ranch
- Interviews local farmers and butchers for insider knowledge
- Supports American ranchers through content
XXIX. Pregnancy Preparation
- Plans higher-fat carnivore for fertility
- Husband adjusting diet (currently eats takeout daily)
- Iodine supplementation planned
- Working with Dr. Bright
- Timeline: ~1.5 years out
XXX. Navigating Relationships
- Husband: initially resistant, convinced through male carnivore figures (Dr. Baker, Dr. Chaffee)
- Attending carnivore events helpful
- Now husband is proactive about diet for baby's health
- Family: passive approach works best
- Mother: supportive of results
- Father: pancreatic cancer survivor on keto for 8 years
- Sisters: not interested, no health issues
- Little brother (18): increasingly influenced
XXXI. Transition Recommendations
- Bella went vegan-to-carnivore overnight (personality-driven)
- Recommends gradual transition for most: low carb → keto → carnivore
- Avoids adaptation suffering (leg cramps, oxalate dumping, low energy)
XXXII. Eating Out Strategies
- Chinese hot pot: request water broth, order all meats
- Brazilian steakhouses: all-you-can-eat picanha
- Korean BBQ: avoid pre-marinated meats
- Japanese: sashimi
- Fast food: burger patties alone (In-N-Out, McDonald's, Five Guys)
- Buffalo Wild Wings: chicken wings fried in beef tallow
XXXIII. Lab Work and Health Markers
- No recent labs (plans to do before pregnancy)
- Plans CAC scan to demonstrate clean arteries
XXXIV. Moving to Las Vegas
- Routine adjusted for extreme heat
- Morning/evening walks only
- Prefers blue/rare flash-seared meats in summer
- More chilled raw dairy
- Earlier sleep/wake schedule
XXXV. Getting Started Advice
- Join a community (Steak and Butter Gang, HomeSteadHow, Kelly Hogan, Dr. Berry, Dr. Chaffee)
- Hire a coach if preferred
- YouTube search: [disease] + carnivore diet
- Start a content channel to document journey and combat misinformation
- Social media as positive force for health advocacy :::
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What? It's that what she actually said? It was perfect and she was super healthy with no problems so she quit in order to get the problems back?
That doesn't sound right. I think Bella is still beef only except she also takes raw dairy.
The weight gain - I had the same. I think it's because she and I both trained our bodies to famine, so when good food appears, body says "need to store a bit more against the next famine"
Anxiety attacks. I wish I knew then what I know now. They were enabled by diet, and caused by stress. I don't know what in my diet enabled anxiety and panic disorders, but I'm sure it's from the plant kingdom
no body odor? really?
I have no body odour either! I think part of that is because we're asian, also.
I'm of British descent and don't have noticeable body odour
At least I don't shower more than once a week, and don't use deodorant and don't get complaints from my partner, even when I ask if I small ok
Very occasionally I can smell myself but only with my nose close to my armpit, usually I cannot
Dairy gives me constipation, although I haven't had any raw since it's not easy to get here. I have made my own Kefir, but I find that I can't really control my intake when I eat/drink dairy so now I just avoid it as much as I can. I'll sometimes have a small cup of milk in the morning.
Same. I can eat 2kg of yoghurt in a day, as much cheese as I have. It doesn't seem to be limited by anything but stomach filling
And then the shit is big and hard to pass