Ex-Pussy Riot member Rita Flores says she was FSB informant for nearly 3 years before escaping Russia
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As they say in Finland, everything in Russia is shit except piss.
Fuck Russia
Good on her for working to try to help others trapped in similar situations and for attempting to resist while in
This is traitorous. Imagine an anti-establishment friend and confidant were doing this to you.
Why are people defending this?
Because she was a hostage. It's akin to human trafficking with threats backing this up.
With an entire government providing pressure.
It's the prisoners' dilemma and she made her choice.
How do you believe this is the Prisoner's Dilemma?
I think 99.9% would make the same choice.
She chose to betray her associates to improve her own situation.
You may believe 99% of people would make that choice, but I don't think you have any evidence for that.
They were threatening her family. If you know anything about the FSB you know these are not idle threats. She chose to cooperate to prevent harm to her family and at the same time tried to get out from under the assignment she got from the FSB.
Reducing this to a prisoners dilemma is really not helpful for predicting real people's responses to situations like that.
Her family is safe now? I doubt it. This is exactly the prisoners' dilemma and why that thought experiment exists.
Russia is happy someone as visible as this is showing they were turned.
This sucks all around, for her, for anyone who hates fascism.
The prisoners dilemma is not real life mate. You're trying to simplify something down to a thought experiment - you look silly. The prisoners dilemma is a puzzle with very specific restrictions and rules. It's designed to make you THINK. It's not designed to be a guide for real life.
But, I'll steelman you. Let's say it IS the prisoners dilemma. Exactly the same. Remove all obvious other variables that come from real life and simplify it down to just that. What are you trying to conclude? Are you really trying to form your moral principles from a thought experiment? I really hope not. You might want to look for a better moral compass to judge others by.
You sound ridiculous.
By all means then, head to Russia and fight the good fight then, buddy!
Lead by example. Prove me wrong.
Wow did not see this coming
Harrowing story, hope she's okay
So she's a rat, playing as a revolutionary and rolled over for putin/fsb with a bit of pressure. I bet she was a rat from the word go.
Oh and she got paid, lower than a rat.
I will die on my feet before I become a traitor.
Okay Nazi, do us all a favor. I don't have you tagged Nazi for nothing
HAHA you're funny.
That's not funny, that's what they were threatening to do and knowing the FSB, would have done.
we got a badass
The article details the several ways she sabotaged their information gathering attempts and how she eventually had to leave after she was told to get involved in an assassination attempt. Meanwhile, you are a TIE fighter pilot for the empire as far as I can tell.
She didn't offer herself up to "be a rat", she was threatened and detained over and over again while they tried to butter her up, acting like she was helping them was the most immediate way to stop the harassment until she eventually left on her own. She could just have as easily complied, become rich, and had no one know about her complicity.
More tankies and tankie tactics should be outed this way.
Listen you threaten me or try to blackmail me first thing I would do is out myself. Say they had pics of me in womans underwear I would call myself out. Threaten me w/ incarceration I go loudly public.
You take the power from them, grow a pair and hit it so hard head on they will shrink away. Best disinfectant is sunlight.
I die w/ my boots on.
You think YOU are their greatest threat. They won't hurt or kill you, you're the one they want to punish. They'll hurt or kill someone close, and make you live with the knowledge that you're responsible, then tell you who the next target is.
Your move.
Yep. As expected... 🦗 🦗
Maybe CoD matchmaking finally hit.This is just you daydreaming from the safety of your comfy armchair. Unless you've actually been personally harassed and threatened by agents of the state who can do pretty much whatever they want in pursuit of their goals, you can't honestly say how you'd react.
ok bub.
Or in other words, you get immediately quashed, your existence meant nothing, and you get to reveal nothing. Quite a pipe dream to think you are "going loudly publicly" in Russia. I'll take the "rat" any day of the week over ineffective/false bravado, at least one actually ratted out what needed to be ratted out while the other just goes to Siberia indefinitely.
This is why when someone threatened my family, I just pushed them out the window myself. Can't give them that power over you.
Sometimes, if you go to hit something head-on, you'll just get a split skull.
And alone, with nobody mourning your loss.
At least I did real things that matter in this world, what did you do?
Matter to you, maybe. Nobody else cares since you're all alone.
Am I?
Say they threatened to kill your whole family, everyone in your contacts list, everyone who owes you money, everyone you owe money, everyone you ever loved or liked. What are you going to do?
If you were part of an institution of mission-oriented people, they could help protect your family and loved ones, and the people you care about. But the price of joining that institution is that you have to put yourself in harm's way as your new way of life.
If that appeals to you, you're in luck. There are lots of institutions in the world looking for new recruits. Go get'em tiger.
Otherwise, your commitment to opposition is only as strong as your permission to let the things you love die as a result of your commitment to the cause.
When they are threatening your family, things change
I have no family, all are long gone. Even if apples don't fall far from the tree.
Yet she does have family so obviously situation is completely different than yours. I'm not sure if you've ever heard of the word empathy that you may want to check Merriam Webster
I have whats called a backbone and I dont kneel.
What a big, strong, keyboard warrior you are. Give yourself a snack, you deserve it.
Certainly explains how wrapped up in yourself you are - to the exclusion of any objective reality.
El queso es viejo y podrido, donde esta el sanaterio?
Es gehört ganz dir – viel Spaß damit.
𓀃𓎲𓊖𓊯𓃷𓇂 𓆊𓅴𓂍𓋇
I don't know if you'd still say that when the FSB starts poisoning your underwear
Be that as it may, at least I'm not a bought traitor.
Internet tough guys will always be funny to me.
I know what I am, and I have never folded under pressure. And certainly not for money that means fuck all when I die. I can look in the mirror and not feel ashamed. Can she?
We, like, totally believe you, buddy.
Great to hear! I believe in you too random text on a screen! Tell me about the rabbits, George.
Imagine my surprise at your inability to feel shame
and?
Cause you’re up here shamelessly doing your best internet tough guy impersonation.