Chinese memory firm CXMT relied on leaked Samsung technology to skip years of R&D, court testimony claims
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Sucks they got caught
Oh NOW you care about stealing intellectual property!
Fuck off. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, AI assholes.
I couldn't care less. Just make cheaper products with near or on par performance and you're okay in my book.
Samsung uses monopoly tactics and government support to bankrupt smaller companies and then raise prices. They're scum.
RAM is so important to the world economy that their patents should be made public.
Computer components being privatized is almost as stupid as privatizing grain in the 1500s. Sure, there are alternatives, but... Are there?
Ugh just went they settled with netlist!
When companies are not able to produce enough to satisfy demand and are actively stopping selling to certain sectors and harming them, they should lose their patents. RAM companies are actively harming all of us by selling their products to the AI companies and leaving us all without RAM, so we should encourage alternatives.
Sure for RAM but holy shit why is not done for medicine?
Because that would be something Jesus would approve of and we can't allow that
Supply Side Jesus would approve.
Of course Jesus is all about the supply side; there's less and less demand for him.
Kinda is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_license?wprov=sfla1
The issue is that the USA threatened to sanction India over issuing compulsory licenses https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/india-faces-us-sanction-threat/articleshow/30309068.cms
It is. It's called Compulsory Licensing.
There is also an FDA Shortage list (most countries have a similar list).
A drug on that list gives the government additional powers to allow companies to work around the parents.
I think this is why there has been so many "off-brand" weight loss drugs recently. Novo Nordisk had supply chain issues with semaglutide, triggering governments to allow other manufacturers
The Gates Foundation had strong objections to releasing the covid-19 patents. I'm sure they had some sort of rationale that wasn't "this would set a bad precedent for M$ patents.
Oh look, 'Murica brain...
It's a common thing in a lot of the world. I've been on many medications throughout the years and all of them have had several options at each of the several drug store companies, and the default is always the cheapest. They always ask "are you ok with another brand?" if there's a cheaper one than the one written on the prescription.
Generics exist in America too.
India did it.
So patents are stopping the whole market competition thing, like what how capitalism is supposed to work and all that.
There should be a ceiling with patents, where if you make 10x back of what it cost your r&d (or whatever 5x of your yearly revenue), the patent should just be considered expired no matter how much time passed.
It should never be an infinite source of money.
Seems like a good idea, but would probably just result in Hollywood accounting so that they never actually make any profit on paper.
Patents in the US only last 20 years on stuff like this, the problem is that lawyers are crafty. So they will patent the formula and then 20 years later the delivery method or something like that. Thus preventing generics for longer than they should be able to.
IP is evil
Only way how capitalism works is that the rich are just becoming the richer by exploiting the poor(er).
OK, but the leak in the article seems to have been in 2016 when conditions were very different.
The RAM industry has been a cartel for decades.
https://www.justice.gov/archive/atr/public/press_releases/2005/212002.htm
Except they stop selling to certain sectors because these sectors pay less. I am pretty sure that if a laptop maker ask to buy the RAM at a 50% higher price than AI companies, the RAM producer will happily sell to them.
And how do you plan to keep these alternatives from selling to the higher bidder, which will probably be a AI company ?
Good. Now also steal from Nvidia please. It would be so freaking funny!
US frontier AI companies steal petabytes of copyrighted material.
Oh shucks 😂
Good. Fuck Samsung.
Yeah, whatever, anyway are they making loads of RAM? Can I have 64GB of Ram for £300 again please?
Oh no! RAM prices might go down! Won't somebody think of the poor shareholders?
We need to stop them from stealing 1 corporations IP, so tech corporations can continue making monopoly money off the entire human species stolen IP!
Oh no—anyway
In a better world, all of these technologies that get stolen by various corpo espionage and reverse engineering teams would be freely shared with the world so everyone can benefit from them, and people not in the dev teams might have improvements they can suggest.
But instead we have a bunch of rich adult children who would rather take the ball and go home because they don't think they've recieved enough praise for bringing it, and wanting to charge everyone just to look at it.
It's not a great metaphor, but honestly dealing with companies and governments feels a lot like dealing with children you aren't allowed to discipline or even talk sternly to because their parents have forbidden you from interfering.
Cambridge University found that the steam engine was held back for ~40 years because of bad patents
https://archive.org/details/againstintellect0000bold
You mean 40 years of delay for the destruction of our biosphere?
I'd call that a win.
40 years of burning far more coal than necessary due to inefficient engines
Whether the overall effect was positive or negative with respect to the biome, no clue
Yes, but also induced demand. More efficient engines means less coal per task, but more tasks, maybe so many more that total coal use increases.
That's why I said we don't know the overall effect on the biome due to less efficient engines
With how quickly we industrialized, my intuition is we were mining and burning it as fast as possible, but maybe more efficient engines could have let us mine and burn even more
Let's not forget that mega corpos benefit heavily from government subsidized R&D in universities, insert themselves within the R&D and claim innovation as their own.
Tech is built on FOSS and private corporations act like they invented butter.
The thing is that with the current laws, even if China would open source all the info they have gathered, companies in other countries couldn't use it.
he he nice, fuck the ram cartel
Guessing they won’t get much in the way of public sympathy given they’re bending consumers over the barrel. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Good for them. Fuck samsung
Which does not help because not every country will ban them and The other manufacturers will then have less demand and therefore have to reduce their prices in order to continue selling the same amount
Edit: Doing so may slow the rate of the price decline in the US, but it will not stop it.
Lol The US will block Chinese RAM from being sold in the US. I'm sure China is super scared.
Oh, I'm just certain they are absolutely frightened to death. /s
If only there was some kind of court of world trade, that someone hadn't blocked from functioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appellate_Body
Oh nooooo China will have to.....wait what will they have to do?
cry more
Oh no, I'm so terribly upset. /s
But if China proves that US did industry spionage, what happens then?
Which time?
This time.