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sh.itjust.works

Come fucking on. We know why. So they can use up workers like fucking snot rags. That's why. Because they are monsters in service of monsters.

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Because providing shit like sheltered shade, AC, water breaks and the like costs the company a small fraction of their profit and that's anathema to The Line, which must constantly Go Up.

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lemmy.world

We are born into a world correctly frightened of monsters and are made to feel silly upon inspection of our bed and closet only to find out later that the monsters have their own bed and closet and hide in plain sight.

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Because they're evil?

I'm not even joking: at this point, they're not even pretending to follow a political logic anymore. They're simply pursuing whatever hurts others for the sheer joy of it. I honestly can't find any other reason for anything they do.

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anymore

I'm not sure conservatives were ever really different. Might be they just don't bother with the fig leaves any more since some of them might be pinning their hopes on cancelling democracy.

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Oh, I know this one! It’s because republicans are fucken scum!

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piefed.social

They love the concept of work, but they hate workers. It's always been like this.

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Honestly, many conservatives have such bad empathy this might move the needle. If it's not happening to them, they don't understand

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There's many correct answers to that question, see other comments. Just one that hasn't been mentioned yet:

Because it will cost employers slightly less.

Regulation is for pussies, gimme some real capitalism. Can't wait to get rich, lol.

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Because they are into soft eugenics. Rather than build death camps they just create conditions where minorities and the poor die.

Same goes for their lack of action with Ebola outbreak

Or their attempt to stop vaccinations.

It’s eugenics without getting your hands dirty.

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There are many outrage responses here, e.g., because they're evil. The outrage is understandable, but simply ascribing this to evil isn't completely accurate or helpful beyond a little catharsis. There's logic to their actions, and they're making these choices because their donors value profit over the safety and quality of life of their employees. That's the evil. Let me explain the logic since it's one of my areas of expertise.

Tl;dr: complying with reasonable regulations would be more expensive, and that expense will increase as climate change accelerates. Public knowledge of workplace heat safety is generally poor, humans are extremely heat adaptable, and regulations are vague, allowing for significant employer abuse.

The Regulatory Landscape is a Desert
Pun intended. 

Federal OSHA regulations don't cover heat. Full stop. While OSHA has released guidance for working in high temperature conditions, it's entirely optional and unenforceable as no heat specific regulation exists. All enforcement falls under the General Duty Clause, which calls for employers to make a good-faith effort to provide a workplace free from recognized hazards that may cause death or serious injury. This vagueness is intended and actually beneficial as it acts as a catch-all for unregulated edge cases, but falls flat for more complex, consistent issues... like heat. This would be fine in a functional, rational government as the pertinent regulations would simply be added, but look where we're at. 2026. Yeah.

"Heat" is Complex
It often comes as a surprise to the sedantary American public, but humans handle working at high temperatures exceptionally well - more about that later. That same public is quite bad at understanding what constitutes "too hot" as the reality is complex. The best indicator is the wet-bulb globe temperature (WBGT), which accounts for air temperature, humidity, sun angle, cloud cover, air pressure, and wind, and can be adjusted for clothing/PPE type. Based on the intensity of work and environmental conditions, a crew could safely work at 110°F or more in one location but cap out at 75°F or less in another. 

Humans are Great with Heat
Humans are amongst the most heat adaptable animals on the planet. Reasonably physically fit people with appropriate clothing and PPE, unlimited cool water, a shaded or air conditioned rest area, two weeks of progressive acclimation, and sufficient rest breaks can perform 8-10 hour shifts doing even heavy physical labor in hot temperatures with a large safety margin of error. With the right PPE and controls (huge fuck off fans or, God forbid, AC), they can even be reasonably comfortable.

Companies Maximize Profit Based on Human Adaptability and Regulatory Insufficiency
Ideal safety regulations take into account the condition of the average worker, build in a significant margin of error, and plainly describe requirements. Employers would be held to a consistent standard based on metrics like WBGT, and as average WBGT increases, so would their expenses. Based on my industry experience, many employers are ignorant of industry best practices while others simply ignore them, so the cost to meet and maintain regulatory standards would be significant, particularly as the frequency of worker downtime should increase in conjunction with temperature - the thing that keeps going up every year.

In our current, barren regulatory landscape, some employers avoid expense by employee self-selection, where those unable to handle the literal heat quit, and relying on plausible deniability and pleading ignorance in the event of an incident. OSHA fines have historically been fairly low, infrequent due to the lack of clear, specific regulation, and are increasingly less common as OSHA continues to lose funding and staffing over time despite a growing workforce. The math usually works in the employer's favor: those prone to injury tend to quit, those who remain can typically be pushed without injury beyond the conditions regulations would enforce, and the costs of heat-related illness and possible fines are often much less than a comprehensive, effective, and humane heat mitigation program.

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piefed.social

What you're saying feels kind of circular. Regulations and their enforcement being lacking doesn't have any explanatory power for people's behaviour, when those same people are actively trying to prevent regulation from happening. To begin with, someone with a shred of morals wouldn't need regulations to try to minimise harm to their employees' health on the work floor.

Also, lawmakers doing the bidding of evil people doesn't make the lawmakers any less evil; it's not as though their children are being held hostage or something.

I'm not really seeing any logic that here doesn't ultimately boil down to "they're evil". Of course, being aware of the problems with current regulations is important and can lead to practical solutions that can improve people's lives and be implemented in the relatively short term, but focussing exclusively on that obscures the more fundamental problem: that our society is set up so that greedy, unempathetic bastards float to the top. And that too, requires a solution.

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I think my point didn't come across. I wasn't making a case that they're not evil, but instead that it's not pointless evil.

There are a lot of "they're fighting regulation just to hurt and kill people" type comments. That's not true as there's no gain in doing so. These types of politicians exist to maximize the gain of their corporate donors, so they'd be wasting time and irritating their handlers.

They're fighting heat regulations to save their donors a ton of money, and I outline why, how, and how the current system benefits them. They're evil, or more specifically heartless sociopaths, because they fight regulation despite knowing this will lead to easily prevented injuries and deaths.

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Gonna go with, "Uncontent with waiting for them to die from our unaffordable healthcare system and predatory insurance providers, they found a new bus to throw them under in the form of climate change." Only conclusion you can draw is they're polluting not as a necessary side effect of industry, but purposefully to kill us.

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Simple answer. The right people were sufficiently bribed.

Having people killed by heat is cheaper than giving them AC, water, breaks, and other protection. Some of those potential savings went into the pockets of people in charge to buy this law.

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The more poor slobs die from heat stroke, the less there will be to revolt when they're replaced by robots.

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Because cruelty is the point, they will even put it above profit

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I believe they literally want people to suffer, to toughen up the workforce for their corporate overlords.

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What part of "billionaires are actively trying to kill people off" do you not understand?

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Because a lot of people think the value of private property far exceeds the value of human life, except their own.

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Because they don’t give a fuck about anyone who can’t compete in the bribery market.

They care more about their bank accounts than the people who “voted” them into power, let alone the ones who didn’t vote for them at all.

They tried to steal the 2020 election several times in various ways, and it is my firm belief they stole the 2024 election by altering the vote counts in counties all over the nation with a virus thinly veiled as a “software update” which was put into the voting machines by DOGE cronies all over the nation just before the election. Remember that? Remember how Elon Musk couldn’t fucking help but blab about how he stole the election for Trump in that one interview?

Yeah. The absurdity of openly admitting it is exactly the kind of sadism these demons find humorous.

“Go ahead Elon. What are they gonna do? They have no branch of government left to punish anyone with 😂😂😂”

I’m disgusted to share a species with these vile creatures.

At some point we’re going to have to stop talking about them, and start acting.

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Because they know they've been lying about climate change to keep feeding the oil oligarchy and now they need to protect the other oligarchs from the repercussions of their previous actions.

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Because the climate change they deny will make it harder to comply w/o losing some pennies for the Epstein class.

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Because they will use you up and replace you with someone else the minute you are no longer of use to them.

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Because its expensive to provide heat relief after you've set the world on fire?

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"But workers possess a “degree of choice over where they live and work, what job they take and what shifts they agree to work”" [...] "they can “move or switch firms” if conditions are too onerous."

How delusionaland and out of touch do you need to be to really believe this ?

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