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Sanctus
anarchist.nexus

Because Spider-Man is the most popular hero and I think everyone was waiting for the Marvel Cinema iteration to finally just be Spider-Man.

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VonReposti
feddit.dk

Because the box office isn't adjusted for inflation.

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TheImpressiveXreply
piefed.social

The reason we don't adjust box office for inflation::

The measuring system for gauging a film's success is based on unadjusted grosses, mainly because historically this is the way it has always been done because of the practices of the film industry: the box-office receipts are compiled by theaters and relayed to the distributor, which in turn releases them to the media. Converting to a more representative system that counts ticket sales rather than gross is also fraught with problems because the only data available for older films are the sale totals. As the motion picture industry is highly oriented towards marketing currently released films, unadjusted figures are always used in marketing campaigns so that new blockbuster films can much more easily achieve a high sales ranking, and thus be promoted as a "top film of all time", so there is little incentive to switch to a more robust analysis from a marketing or even newsworthy point of view.

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SaveTheTuaHawkreply
lemmy.ca

Is this like I'm supposed to change my vote because of polling?

The Big Bang Theory was supposed to be funny because of high viewership?

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FinjaminPoach
lemmy.world

Because he's a great actor, a great iteration of the character, the films are visually stunning, and the plots are actually very interesting - you never know where they're going to go.

Spiderman is a character that, because of huge marketability and thematic appeal to young people everywhere (or - people everywhere), manages to be big in all cultures. Probably the biggest superhero, right? So if superheroes are big right now, then expect all spiderman movies to be 10x as big.

Also; this spiderman movie promised to be packed with villains. People want to see throw downs, and they want to learn about marvel lore (in preparation for their next mcu viewing. Lol!)

And lastly - kids. Do you think kids would be able to resist this? It's released in the middle of the summer holiday, too. Almost rveryone with a child between 5 and 31 was probably getting dragged down to watch this one.

Funniest thing for me was seeing culture war hatemongers try to convince their audience that they hated it (see MauLer's youtube)

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SmoothOperatorreply
lemmy.world

the plots are actually very interesting - you never know where they're going to go.

Hmm, at first things are going well, but then our hero suffers a crisis putting everything in doubt, only to be resolved by a fistfight and ultimately the power of friendship?

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FinjaminPoachreply
lemmy.world

In terms of MCU spiderman, yes I think the plots have been hard to predict.

at first things are going well, but then our hero suffers a crisis putting everything in doubt, only to be resolved by a fistfight and ultimately the power of friendship?

I'm not interested in the big scope "heroes journey" that you learn about in primary school, because that is the same for about every movie there is. I'm interested in how they work with the source material - because every superhero film is an adaptation of existing work.

Let's look at examples of stuff i fiund surprising and interesting:

Homecoming

  • Tony Stark created the mess that spiderman has to deal with = new, kind of subversive
  • The Vulture was Liz Allen's dad = surprise twist, and while other movies do twists like that it clearly had huge impact on the audience and was the most beloved element of the film

Far From Home

  • Spiderman is in Europe
  • School stuff doesn't really factor in, nor does the expected rhythm of spiderman daily life. He's just trying to woo MJ instead
  • Shield wants to work with Spiderman

No Way Home

  • I think the Goblin was used to great effect.
  • The villains were on his side at first after being captured.
  • Dr Strange Tie-in
  • Spiderman defeats Dr Strange in combat This one is a lot more "what i anticipated," I'll be honest

::: spoiler Brand New Day

  • Jean Grey. Come on. Big bad villain was
  • Nice guy at damage control is a villain
  • Damage Control is rehabilitating villains? Damage control is focused on repurposing weapon technology for civil applications?
  • Damage Control chose The Hand specifically to counter Spider-Man, as well as developing weapons to counter his webs. You didn't see that until you saw it
  • Aunt may featured in it again. Didn't expect that
  • specific utilisation of ned Leeds & MJ, and of the punisher, surprised me. I thought Peter's old friends would be gone forever.
  • Utilisation of Black Widow and The Hulk was surprising and interesting, and done well i think.
  • Walking out of the hospital scene
  • Punisher's base. I personally knew as soon as the traps went off that it was him, but I bet some people would have thought it was the mind-hopper.
  • Jean Grey has a sister.
  • V-Max. :::

You're probably going to complain that I'm just listing tiny things, but I don't know what to tell you, I was surprised and on edge for my first viewing of all of these films. I like them more than the Raimi Spiderman trilogy, which I also love, and more than Andrew Garfield's spiderman films (I should really find out the directors name).

I think the key difference is being into comic books and their adaptations, or not. Complaining about superhero films centering around physical confrontation (you said "solved by a big fist fight") is like eating spoonfuls of marmite to make yourself like it.

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SmoothOperatorreply
lemmy.world

Thanks for the reply! I definitely see where you're coming from, and you're right they are quite good as comic book implementations.

I find MCU movies quite predictable overall, especially compared to e.g. Nolan's Batman movies or the Joker movies, but I can definitely see that for many people that's the point.

Personally I am always a bit disappointed though, things usually get really interesting around the middle but then fizzles out into fist fights and the power of friendship. But as you say, this is absolutely the established format, and I can just go elsewhere if I don't like it.

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moakleyreply
lemmy.world

Got a regular Joseph Campbell over here.

Traditional plot structures are used because they speak to something inside of people. Subverting that just to be different doesn't make a movie better.

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SmoothOperatorreply
lemmy.world

Traditional plot structure, love it, traditional plot content, dull.

The thing that made the Infinity War movies interesting was that something was finally at stake. It didn't just resolve all the interesting ideas in a fist fight and the power of friendship.

I mean, it sort of did in the second movie, but at least there was some true sacrifice and considerations about right and wrong along the way.

/J. Campbell Jr.

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RoidingOldManreply
lemmy.world

Overall popularity of Spider-Man (and related properties), Tom Holland, and the 3rd movie in this franchise was the highest grossing film of 2021. Good reviews generally a sign that people will show up for the sequel.

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Zahille7reply
lemmy.world

Just rewatched NWH last night. Honestly it probably is the best Spider-Man movie ever made (haven't seen BND yet) imo.

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FinjaminPoachreply
lemmy.world

Me too. NWH, while clever on first viewing, falls apart when you analyse "but why was Dr Strange not being careful? Why is he being so shambolic at spell casting?"

It's like it was a machination to take spiderman away from the high tech and high comfort position so that he can be a more typical spiderman. I didn't mind that he was a Stark Enterprises croney-baby; i think people just want to find something to critique.

What we have now is so much better though. The character is in the perfect place.

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SaveTheTuaHawk
lemmy.ca

Because Hollywood is consistently shit and people want an excuse to go to a theater and Project Hail Mary was too difficult to understand.

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