Spotify Execs Bet People Will Pay for AI Music. Stock Price Plunges
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The level of delusion is phenomenal.
My $BRAND has a voice now, and you must worship it
Is that the feature I go out of my way to avoid?
Like all I want is search and play. Maybe saving artists and playlists if you’re fancy.
I don't mind this particular use of AI if it can accurately answer questions about bands and music genres.
"I'd like the thing that doesnt work if it worked."
Pretty reasonable take, but also a pure pipe dream.
That's how my brother plays golf!
"I'd have par on this hole if I didn't completely fuck up my first three shots."
It can’t.
They think people will pay extra for this?
I choose to parse “tool” as a disparaging epithet in this context, instead of the classical definition
They'll move the no-ads thing to it so then they can show the shareholders how great AI is for their business even though people only get it to get rid of the ads.
They patted themselves on the back for calling it a "tool", rather than an assistant, or some other anthropomorphic term.
"See, we're being honest with our users. That has to count for something."
I don't want to talk to my tools, I want them to do things. Introducing a layer where misunderstanding is rampant (conversation) is a horrible experience.
I'm starting to get the feeling that AIs are a lot like monorails.
Yeah, same here, so many cases they want to champion a "conversation"... No, I want the simple and precise interactions for these things, maybe a chat can work for a 'search' dialog, but for a music player, it's job is to play music, and let me skip to next on occasion.
Similar for fast food ordering. The kiosks and apps frankly I've liked the option to enter my order precisely without a clerk to mess it up. Advocating for chat for those is a step backwards too.
I’m so glad the stock tanked as a very direct result.
I’m also glad I ditched them after they started letting ICEatzgruppen run ads on their platform.
At this rate, I am more likely to cancel my payments to them enitrely
Do it! There are plenty of open source alternatives, like Bandcamp, Deezer, etc.
I don’t think either of those are open source.
bittorrent sure is
Seeker is the P2P music platform you're looking for.
I think you meant Soulseek (or Nicotine for linux).
Do you have a link. I'm finding a handful or music things called seeker.
My bad. seeker is the android client. soulseek is the name of the network it taps into. i don't have any links for you.
Awesome, that's good enough. I think I found what you're talking about. Thank you.
And? If sidebro is currently on spotify, i dont think he cares about OSS
Tidal has the option to automatically filter out AI songs btw.
and Qobuz prohibits AI songs completely.
As well as allowing you to buy music DRM-free so you can download and keep it, even if the release is removed/replaced on their side. Made dropping Spotify a much easier choice.
Deezer was moving that direction when I left it to go back to controlliig my own media.
They should remove the option and delete the AI slop.
Someone posted a video for a song the other day and I thought it sounded pretty good. Then I found it on Spotify and saw the credits showed it was composed with GenAI. The fact it did actually have a real human singer threw me off because I could feel something from it, which I don't with 100% AI music. Bummed me right the fuck out.
I'm a musician. Music is a really big part of my life. I like weird music. I'm up to date on the latest AI audio models.
I've been tricked multiple times already. I can no longer tell something is AI generated music or not just from listening to it.
I really, really don't like that.
A completely natural part of the enshittification playbook
Of course they do. That way they don't have to pay any musicians. Just flood the entire platform with slop.
I've been listening to this channel called Weird A.I., that does all these parodies of famous songs. The A.I. that does it is really clever, it just needs more accordion.
There's one the guy writes all the lyrics for the music and he's pretty funny
https://youtu.be/U1ogS8FegHI
I want two things: a shitload of music, and an awesome way to manage a personal library of favorites.
WinAmp nailed this 30 years ago, fuck off with the big touch target negative space design and broken search, forget podcasts, audio books, blablabla.
It really did whip the llama's ass.
Navidrome, your choice of client. Gives you your music on all your devices.
AIMP is nice
Those spotify execs really have their finger on the pulse. Their grotesquely huge bonuses grew three times that day. /s
Abso-fucking-lutely not
I don't care for "celebrities" but I like my music human.
AI's never going to make music that speaks to me until it can shoot up heroin, urinate on groupies during coke-fueled orgies, snort lines of ants, and bite the head off of a bat. Without that it just doesn't understand our struggles on an emotional and spiritual level.
Just like I like my women. And coffee.
That is probably disappointing to hear for the bitches.
Shooting themselves in the foot. Most artists already pay more into Spotify to setup and promote their work than they make from royalties. Now they want to cut the Artist out. Braindead execs.
They’ll pay themselves and problem solved. Isnt what tech giants always do? They circulate their worm money in between
Not quite. The money is supposed to be injected with a little outside cash every turn in order to keep growing, but that means you need customers. Some industries can tap the government's pockets for that, but Spotify will have it more difficult in that regard.
LOL, you'd have to pay me to listen to AI slop.
And where are all the Spotify defenders claiming that "buht Spotify banned AI slop!!" ?
The only thing that I occasionally hit Spotify for is the user generated playlists. Like that’s it. I then copy them over to other platforms. So it sounds like they aren’t making playlist improvements and are just throwing out random ideas for the joy of AI. I assume I can ask any other AI platform about the origins of a band or song so not sure what the differentiator there is. I’m sure they would love to sell access to AI music just like they were able to pay a lot less for podcast materials and want folk to pay for that as well. Anything to not pay musicians I guess.
Give ListenBrainz a try. You can use their app to scrobble your listens, or some apps support scrobbling natively. Then they make you playlists weekly based on what you've been listening too.
best part about them is that they are mostly open source and provide an ethical alternative to the curation algos.
I understand the word being odd but I'm not sure why you chose to go with a definition that associates it with pedophiles???
Heads Epstein, Tails Trump
What does the word nonce have to do with Pedophiles?
I really don't know, the only context I have ever heard nonce in is OpenID Connect (here)
Ive only ever heard nonce as another word for pedo. I think its british slang
Bri’ish innit
I can tell that you're joking because nobody who would sign up an account @infosec.pub could seriously pretend that they had never heard the term before.
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Man how hilariously detached.
I want a world of abundance where all humans share equally in the fruits of automation. Where the only thing that we NEED to do is make art. I don't want a world where AI makes "art". I think a lot of people from nearly ever age group associate music strongly with human expression and culture. No wonder this isn't popular.
On the positive, Tidal recently added a toggle to block AI music. Naturally I flipped it right away.
I use Deezer btw. Similar in service to Spotify but much better payout for the artists.
Huh, I thought I read the opposite previously where they were scrubbing a bunch of AI music.
Yeah I was real skeptical about that. If you want to filter AI slop, use Tidal. It labels AI and you can set it so that they can't even be played. Of course it isn't 100% accurate, but I was impressed by how many it caught