something very similar in mainframe land where they call files "datasets." if you call a dataset a file, get ready to get an earfull!
which is ironic considering IBM themselves often call them files and one of the most popular dataset utilities is called FileAid. but if we acknowledge that, we lose a valuable opportunity to belittle and exclude newcomers
You know, the same deal kind of applies about "losing newcomers". Because I avooded using AWS because everything seemed cryptic and weird with its terminology. So other companies got my business.
That's mostly because it doesn't have real directories, it just simulates them with string prefixes and if you forget that on large buckets you are going to have a bad time.
Imagine you have dir1/dir2 with "directories" inside, each one with millions of "files"/objects. When you try to "ls" the dir1/dir2 by querying Prefix='dir1/dir2/' and Delimiter='/' S3 will still scan all the millions of objects starting with the prefix, and then filter out the ones that have a / after the prefix.
There's no benefit or drawback on it's own. The way the keys and queries work are geared to S3's nature as a key value object store - which requires it to support keys that wouldn't be valid file paths or that have different delimiters.
There is a reason for that since S3 is not block storage and doesn't have a Hierarchal filesystem. That's why when you create folder in the S3 console what you are really creating is a prefix meaning its just a placeholder to auto add the prefix string to the beginning of all objects. But all objects in the bucket are flat when it comes to the API. Plus the way the files are stored in the shards in S3. You can limit Throughput by treating prefixes like a hierarchical filesystem too much.
The more confusing thing I've had to explain to too many developers is that it's not a directory regardless of what it looks like on the AWS website view. It's a "prefix" meaning the entire thing, including the slashes, is just part of the filename, there is no real structure inside a bucket. So there's no such thing as relative paths to search for things. When you call the list objects function with a prefix it's the same as doing a "starts with" on a string. You can't give it a partial "path" relative to another object that appears to be in another "folder".
Reminds me of the oilfield unit hell. If you even mention an SI unit on an offshore drilling platform, your beheaded carcass will be displayed on top of the derrick as a warning for others, left to be devoured by birds and the salty wind.
For what it's worth, they're referred to as directories by command prompt and PowerShell (effectively the new Windows command prompt) tools as Windows as well.
Honestly, yeah. The filesystem's address table is more analogous to a 'directory'. You don't really put things in a directory -- a directory tells you where to find things that are located outside of it.
Just call it a 'container object' and you can be technically correct in almost every context.
See also: in SQL and Dataverse, a row is called a 'record', but in SharePoint and Lists, a row is called an 'item', and MAN do people get all pissy if you get them mixed up or refer to it as a 'row'.
It's even more aggravating when you understand that 1) they're all different implementations of the 'table' data structure, so the term is still accurate; 'records' and 'items' are just subsets of 'rows', and 2) SharePoint and Lists are just SQL on the backend anyway.
Like, obviously you knew what I meant, but how is your ego gonna get stroked unless you preach about pedantic details that don't matter?
If I'm browsing in a GUI they're folders. If I'm using a CLI they're directories. Except when I decide to do the opposite in either situation. Everything I do is the correct method and the only people who are wrong are whoever disagree with me. Unless they're hot.
I've heard some techs complain that a 'machine' can be physical or virtual, but a 'box' always refers to a physical machine. I don't really agree with that distinction; if the difference matters, say "physical machine" or "virtual machine". In 99% of cases, whether a machine is physical or virtual is a distinction without a difference anyway.
We see where you're coming from, and also it is unhealthy to be extremely sensitive to every single hint of bigotry, from malicious or innocent sources, from your instance or others'. Take it from me - it destroys you to focus on the negative so much that you start to miss the positive.
I know you put so much effort into taking care of others, particularly transfolk (who don't get themselves kicked out, like I did 😉) on blåhaj.zone. Remember to care for yourself also!
I was only trying to empathize what I wrote, that a) the a and å were swapped, and b) they said something very heartwarming. No hidden message or reading-between-the-lines necessary. 👍
I get where you're coming from and it's hard to tell the difference, but actually that's Robbie Coltrane, not J.K Rowling
Jokes aside, that's a beloved character played by a beloved actor who unfortunately won't be appearing in any more movies. Personally I haven't sent a single cent Rowling's way since watching Deathly Hallows part 2 in the movies and never will again, but the bitch can't take away the fond memories I have of reading the books and seeing the movies, especially the first one where this is from.
I think most people here on the fediverse know enough not to support her financially, but when it comes to memes, the movies aren't just her art, they were made by a ton of people who don't necessarily share her views (I suspect that in the 00s, nobody knew about them). And it'd be a shame to lose good memes that evoke such nostalgia
Keeping her relevant in popular culture is supporting her financially, politically and socially, because her relevance influences both her wealth and her political clout.
And I'm going to pushback against that. In this case, it was a single line snarky comment that referenced the meme in question. In response, I got 5 or so responses from people, each of them multi paragraph long, insisting on telling me just how it's actually ok to post Rowling stuff.
And from my perspective, if you're ok enough with Rowling to not say anything when a Rowling meme is posted, you should also be ok enough with someone posting a snarky one liner in pushback against it.
But if folk are ok with a meme that entrenches the relevance of a virulent transphobe, but a snarky response to that meme warrants a multi paragraph response, then it might be time to re-evaluate priorities...
Same here. I would never willingly watch harry potter or support her on purpose. I just thought this was a good meme template and honestly, I love Hagrid. Hagrid is fictional and his actor is dead. I don't care about JK, she can die. I still love Hagrid.
Had to check the community rules, but couldn't find them calling this place a trans community. In fact, they explicitly call it a "meme community" and this is a very common meme format. If you're inclined to check the rules yourself, I'd like to point you to number 3
This is absolutely a trans-inclusive community, it just isn't spelled out (e: it is now) because inclusion should be natural. I don't like making assumptions about a person's identity or beliefs (unless they scream it to the heavens, at which point it isn't an assumption anymore), and I can't determine whether a person is welcome here based on what they are. When a person's behaviour becomes problematic, that is when I step in. In particular, if someone reports a homophobic, transphobic, or racist comment, you won't see me argue with them: those comments get immediately deleted and the user permanently banned. Fortunately, nearly all community members I've seen are friendly, or at least polite, with LGBTQ+ folk.
Regarding the meme in question. There is an argument to be made that just using the media as a meme, even of an unrelated topic, gives the author unwanted exposure. I don't think this applies in this community, or most of the fediverse (excepting places like Grad or Hexbear). We all know that JK is morally inferior to what came out of my dog this morning. Seeing this meme won't change that position, nor does it try to glorify her morals or justify her views. It is the essential meme: a well-known scene from popular culture, removed from its environment, to express an idea or sentiment that is common within this demographic.
Sorry Ada -- I was referring to myself! I originally lived on blåhaj but was banned for promoting violence against bigots and generally making hate-fuelled comments. It was not okay to be so extreme.
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Tbf Dolphin calls them folders
And every Linux directory icon is a folder. This is a non issue.
Shhhh the CLI purists haven't figured out what icons are yet.
You mean those religious pictures old Italian and Russian people have?
Was not expecting to see Padre Pio here. He was an oddly big deal in my elementary and middle school years.
oh oh! Are those the extra logos and things added by nerdfonts?
Gooey? Sounds gross
yeah i much prefer see L eyes
wait, are CLI purist the purest keyboard warriors?
Indeed, any other is merely a "desktop metaphor warrior"
Anyone who doesn't post their rants via
curlis a poserWhat would the icon for a "directory" look like?
A phone book
According to Wikipedia, it is screenshot of MS Command Prompt 😂
Like a folder
What does Tuna call them?
Cans
All hail our dolphin overloads
something very similar in mainframe land where they call files "datasets." if you call a dataset a file, get ready to get an earfull!
which is ironic considering IBM themselves often call them files and one of the most popular dataset utilities is called FileAid. but if we acknowledge that, we lose a valuable opportunity to belittle and exclude newcomers
In AWS S3, they're objects, not files. But you upload files to objects. And can download an object to a file. But they're not files. Trust me bro.
You know, the same deal kind of applies about "losing newcomers". Because I avooded using AWS because everything seemed cryptic and weird with its terminology. So other companies got my business.
Cryptic and weird and their documentation is the worst.
Awoooo!
That's mostly because it doesn't have real directories, it just simulates them with string prefixes and if you forget that on large buckets you are going to have a bad time.
What makes that different from a "real directory"?
Imagine you have
dir1/dir2with "directories" inside, each one with millions of "files"/objects. When you try to "ls" thedir1/dir2by queryingPrefix='dir1/dir2/'andDelimiter='/'S3 will still scan all the millions of objects starting with the prefix, and then filter out the ones that have a/after the prefix.And the benefit of this is ...
There's no benefit or drawback on it's own. The way the keys and queries work are geared to S3's nature as a key value object store - which requires it to support keys that wouldn't be valid file paths or that have different delimiters.
There is a reason for that since S3 is not block storage and doesn't have a Hierarchal filesystem. That's why when you create folder in the S3 console what you are really creating is a prefix meaning its just a placeholder to auto add the prefix string to the beginning of all objects. But all objects in the bucket are flat when it comes to the API. Plus the way the files are stored in the shards in S3. You can limit Throughput by treating prefixes like a hierarchical filesystem too much.
The more confusing thing I've had to explain to too many developers is that it's not a directory regardless of what it looks like on the AWS website view. It's a "prefix" meaning the entire thing, including the slashes, is just part of the filename, there is no real structure inside a bucket. So there's no such thing as relative paths to search for things. When you call the list objects function with a prefix it's the same as doing a "starts with" on a string. You can't give it a partial "path" relative to another object that appears to be in another "folder".
In Magpiper, they're Blarts.
It’s called gatekeeping. You wouldn’t get it.
Reminds me of the oilfield unit hell. If you even mention an SI unit on an offshore drilling platform, your beheaded carcass will be displayed on top of the derrick as a warning for others, left to be devoured by birds and the salty wind.
For what it's worth, they're referred to as directories by command prompt and PowerShell (effectively the new Windows command prompt) tools as Windows as well.
And always had been in DOS before Windows.
Folder is just an easier concept for the average person to grok, so I say folder to them.
It's two fewer syllables and a more straightforward analogy. It's just a better name
Honestly, yeah. The filesystem's address table is more analogous to a 'directory'. You don't really put things in a directory -- a directory tells you where to find things that are located outside of it.
Yep, DOS uses the dir command to list directory contents.
Call them inodes and see what happens next
An inode is not a folder it's metadata for a folder OR a file.
It would be more correct to say all folders are txt files
Demonstrating the parent’s point in real time.
iNod
Just call it a 'container object' and you can be technically correct in almost every context.
See also: in SQL and Dataverse, a row is called a 'record', but in SharePoint and Lists, a row is called an 'item', and MAN do people get all pissy if you get them mixed up or refer to it as a 'row'.
It's even more aggravating when you understand that 1) they're all different implementations of the 'table' data structure, so the term is still accurate; 'records' and 'items' are just subsets of 'rows', and 2) SharePoint and Lists are just SQL on the backend anyway.
Like, obviously you knew what I meant, but how is your ego gonna get stroked unless you preach about pedantic details that don't matter?
That's idiotic. We all know it's a file, everything's a FILE!
Would that make linux users filephiles?
Filephilefiles
Anyone gives me a hard time about that, I’m reverting to Amiga and calling it a “drawer”
i just call 'em all "that fuckin' thing" and if anyone complains, they can talk to this guy
Don't care, KDE says "create new folder", it's a folder.
I use directory and folder interchangeably
You'll pry my old outdated terminology from my cold dead hands lol
I'll toast to that from my Remix OS coffee mug currently sitting on my SunOS mouse pad.
They’re called files!
I got binders full of .txt files.
If I'm browsing in a GUI they're folders. If I'm using a CLI they're directories. Except when I decide to do the opposite in either situation. Everything I do is the correct method and the only people who are wrong are whoever disagree with me. Unless they're hot.
My OCPD:
Orange City Police Department
True...
I call them "bags of holding" because their capacity is undefined.
ZFS head correcting you to "dataset"
Only the 1337 know that they're really called "stores". That's why the command ls exists: list stores.
Obviously I'm kidding. It's short for list, somehow. Just remove that unnecessary IT.
Ah the good ol' "let's abbreviate O_CREATE into O_CREAT"
or unmount into umount...
Go on, make your website colour=gray. Or was it color=grey?
it doesn't matter, we can live with just ls
No, ls is an abbreviation of look shit (up)
Well, is there no excuse for Winslop convertees? 😊
I say "directory" because I learned how to computer on MS-DOS.
When you accidentally say "deck" instead of "library" in your MTG group
When you accidentally call a hero a "champion" in your dota group
Anyone else catch shit for saying machine or box?
"Yeah it's a Windows box so whatever is trying recon knows nothing and hasn't learned after repeated attempts."
"The Honeypot? Yeah just a Linux box that blows up our alerts channel if anyone tries to touch it."
Etc.
No. Why would they?
A box shaped computer? so pedestrian, mine is a hyperbolic paraboloid.
Amateur, mine is a klein bottle.
What a funny coincidence, mine's a parabolic hyperboloid
I've heard some techs complain that a 'machine' can be physical or virtual, but a 'box' always refers to a physical machine. I don't really agree with that distinction; if the difference matters, say "physical machine" or "virtual machine". In 99% of cases, whether a machine is physical or virtual is a distinction without a difference anyway.
lol but what about virtualbox?
File and Folder are quicker to type. So I type that.
Kinda like posting a harry potter meme in a community full of trans folk...
We see where you're coming from, and also it is unhealthy to be extremely sensitive to every single hint of bigotry, from malicious or innocent sources, from your instance or others'. Take it from me - it destroys you to focus on the negative so much that you start to miss the positive.
I know you put so much effort into taking care of others, particularly transfolk (who don't get themselves kicked out, like I did 😉) on blåhaj.zone. Remember to care for yourself also!
Edited the ° 😅
You put the ° on the wrong "a" 😅
LonelyLovely (😅) sentiment and message though. ❤️ Very true.Typo. Unless you're trying to emphasise how sadly uncommon it is to see such a lovely sentiment.
I was only trying to empathize what I wrote, that a) the a and å were swapped, and b) they said something very heartwarming. No hidden message or reading-between-the-lines necessary. 👍
What?
I think they might mean "Lovely" rather than "lonely".
Gotta love it when people making fun of errors make errors 😁
Muphry's Law strikes even me! 😆 Gotta love it. Thanks for pointing it out, guys!
Although to be fair I wasn't making fun 😚
Spot on!
Lmao yes, definitely autocorrect being an ass here. Thanks for pointing it out!
Why thank you aha! I never remember which a it goes above - I'm not too good with Swedish aha~
Don't worry, Swedish people love correcting others, one will always come along and have your back 😆
I'm trans myself... but yea I guess you're right. Didn't really see this as problematic... but yea fair enough
It's not. It's just a scene from a movie. Aim your artillery at that c—nt Rowling, instead.
I liked the meme, keep em coming!
This is what aiming at her looks like.
This, as in what?
As in pushing back and making noise when people post stuff that helps keep her relevant.
If I have a tool for decreasing the amount of harm she does, this is it.
Will it make much difference? No, but if a single person hesitates before posting potter stuff in the future, then it helped a little
I say fight the big fight, but whatever. I'm gonna enjoy this meme, and still keep my hate for Rowling relevant.
I, like many folk, just want to see less of Rowling, not more. That's all
I get where you're coming from and it's hard to tell the difference, but actually that's Robbie Coltrane, not J.K Rowling
Jokes aside, that's a beloved character played by a beloved actor who unfortunately won't be appearing in any more movies. Personally I haven't sent a single cent Rowling's way since watching Deathly Hallows part 2 in the movies and never will again, but the bitch can't take away the fond memories I have of reading the books and seeing the movies, especially the first one where this is from.
I think most people here on the fediverse know enough not to support her financially, but when it comes to memes, the movies aren't just her art, they were made by a ton of people who don't necessarily share her views (I suspect that in the 00s, nobody knew about them). And it'd be a shame to lose good memes that evoke such nostalgia
Keeping her relevant in popular culture is supporting her financially, politically and socially, because her relevance influences both her wealth and her political clout.
And I'm going to pushback against that. In this case, it was a single line snarky comment that referenced the meme in question. In response, I got 5 or so responses from people, each of them multi paragraph long, insisting on telling me just how it's actually ok to post Rowling stuff.
And from my perspective, if you're ok enough with Rowling to not say anything when a Rowling meme is posted, you should also be ok enough with someone posting a snarky one liner in pushback against it.
But if folk are ok with a meme that entrenches the relevance of a virulent transphobe, but a snarky response to that meme warrants a multi paragraph response, then it might be time to re-evaluate priorities...
Same here. I would never willingly watch harry potter or support her on purpose. I just thought this was a good meme template and honestly, I love Hagrid. Hagrid is fictional and his actor is dead. I don't care about JK, she can die. I still love Hagrid.
As long as you can accept that many people don't want to see Potter memes and can accept a little pushback, you'll be doing better than most folk.
of course. I absolutely get why people would dislike them. There's quite a few I don't like either
Had to check the community rules, but couldn't find them calling this place a trans community. In fact, they explicitly call it a "meme community" and this is a very common meme format. If you're inclined to check the rules yourself, I'd like to point you to number 3
This is absolutely a trans-inclusive community,
it just isn't spelled out(e: it is now) because inclusion should be natural. I don't like making assumptions about a person's identity or beliefs (unless they scream it to the heavens, at which point it isn't an assumption anymore), and I can't determine whether a person is welcome here based on what they are. When a person's behaviour becomes problematic, that is when I step in. In particular, if someone reports a homophobic, transphobic, or racist comment, you won't see me argue with them: those comments get immediately deleted and the user permanently banned. Fortunately, nearly all community members I've seen are friendly, or at least polite, with LGBTQ+ folk.Regarding the meme in question. There is an argument to be made that just using the media as a meme, even of an unrelated topic, gives the author unwanted exposure. I don't think this applies in this community, or most of the fediverse (excepting places like Grad or Hexbear). We all know that JK is morally inferior to what came out of my dog this morning. Seeing this meme won't change that position, nor does it try to glorify her morals or justify her views. It is the essential meme: a well-known scene from popular culture, removed from its environment, to express an idea or sentiment that is common within this demographic.
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I'm one of the biggest Rowling haters you'll ever meet but I agree with this comment in its entirety
There's a lot of trans people in linux and foss communities
which by the phrasing is what Ada is saying, not that it's specifically a trans community
If it were against the rules, I'd have reported it.
Instead, I made a snarky comment, because even though it's not against the rules, the less Rowling in the world, the better.
Maybe it will irritate JK to see it.
Sorry Ada -- I was referring to myself! I originally lived on blåhaj but was banned for promoting violence against bigots and generally making hate-fuelled comments. It was not okay to be so extreme.