I used to do exactly this when referring to the generic all-being (as opposed to the Abrahamic god who has a history and a feminine consort), since biological sex is specific to individual species. Also, the X-gamete is the default. The Y-gamete is a weird shortened appendix.
Technically, they/them would be more appropriate in this gender-conscious era. It works better for the holy trinity as well, but that's a post-biblical addition to the Christian dogma.
This reminds me I was stopped in the street a few years ago by someone explaining some newer Korean Christian based religio/sect which believes that there are two images of God, the father and the mother, as humans were created in God's image. I think it is this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Mission_Society_Church_of_God
I think prefixing Christian god is better. Every time "well thank Christian god you're alright", just subtly remind them there's other religions, they don't like that
They/them would be more accurate since the god from the Bible is a mixture of different bronze age gods. Did you notice how God is something shown as bloodthirsty and sometimes as benevolent? That is because they took myths and stories from different gods.
Ask them how big God's dick is. Tell them you're serious. Make then explain how that's a ridiculous question. Then ask them: if God's gender identity isn't tied to genitals, why do they insist on doing it?
The true god cares not what your fleshy bits or squishy bits say is your pronouns. The true god only cares how many dreadnought rated artillery cannons are plugged directly into your brainstem.
I did that while I was a woman for a few years. I still switch it up, because part of the ineffability of God is that God is all and no genders at the same time. Goes beyond duality and even superpositions.
God can microwave a burrito so hot even He cannot eat it, unless He does.
I've seen John Cena lose an arm wrestling contest with a little girl. God is so great He can be defeated by a small breeze if He wanted to. Part of the reason we do things like come to the Garden is to experience reality without God to make the stakes feel higher tp thus make it easier to disentangle yourself from your maladaptations to Heaven, which therefore makes it Hell after a period of time. The Myth of Er is no myth. What the Buddha said is true, and what Jesus actually said is hidden in the occult, because this is a police state, silly.
True, the one I always think was strange was when I was 6? I had a 1st grade teacher that was adamant we addressed her and others by the correct form of Ms/Miss/Mrs.
I was 6, I shouldn't have to care at all which adults are romantically involved nor which government documents theyve signed.
FR I thought the meme was maybe some sort of anti-christian-trans meme like some sort of church for trans out there would hypothetically get peeved about God's pronouns specifically?
The character of god is basically the ultimate shape shifter. For a being capable of shaping reality with just a thought, I gotta think such a being would be in a pretty constant phase of modifying itself, not just it's reality.
"He" vs "she" doesn't even scratch the tip of the iceberg when you look at god's arsenal of gender and sex characteristics - just look at some of the crazy shit it put here on earth. And I mean all of it, from the familiar dangly bits in our own pants to like a lizard's cloaca, to pollinators, etc.
You know the whole "biblically accurate angel" spiel with the trippy shifting eyes? I gotta think god's junk is a similar kaleidoscopic amalgamation of scrotums, clitorises, corkscrew duck penises, pollen, etc; all covered with a hefty amount of pubic hair and buckets of mucous.
Afaik the English version of the lore has always been 'he'. The original story according to the original language though, idk.
...I'd guess the original also used masculine pronouns though, mostly because of the whole triune thing - their 'god' is actually three critters rolled into one. There's the 'father' or what most people mean by the word 'god', the 'son' or 'Jesus', and 'the holy spirit' which is basically The Force from Star Wars.
I don't recall a sex or gender ever being assigned to The Force, but even if it is canonically female, the sausage fest from the other two would still tip the scales into 'he/him' territory.
They/them is probably the most accurate even of the lore itself doesn't use it - between the three, god is gender fluid. Volatilely so if we're going with the kaleidoscopic dance in the pants that is my preferred head canon (there's nothing in that book that suggests this isn't the case, and believing based on the lack of disproof is the whole basis for their cult in the first place, so I'm rolling with it!).
Like many languages, languages of the Bible like Hebrew and Greek have grammatical genders. The aspect of God that smites things is grammatically male. The aspect of God that conveys spiritual strength - usually translated as "the Holy Spirit" - is grammatically female. Progressive movements of Protestantism and Judaism see God as both genders: one of the two creation stories in Genesis states God created man AND woman in God's image. The focus on the male aspect of God, and the second creation story in Genesis with the rib thing, is a conservative movement hang-up and not a general religion thing.
I mean, Roman Catholicism and offshoots have a "main God" which was just a Nazarene man so calling him a woman is at least just inaccurate. The Creator, the one Jesus prayed to, has no sex (even if He is used often, although They is used as well), being a somewhat incomprehensible being and not a sexually reproducing, dimorphic animal, lol.
No, you mean that some cults, sometimes, eventually transform/course correct into belief on the One, or something close to it. I understand, but it doesn't change anything. People can be wrong in their understanding of God, people can have nonsensical beliefs like worshipping the very anthropomorphic, Zeus like character you're describing (or straight up deifying a man, like the Romans did!), that's nothing new. I don't believe in that, it doesn't matter if my ancestors did.
I have examined them, they're consistent with my understanding of reality and they push me towards righteous living, avoiding vices, staying within what's permissible... and I'm almost always willing to discuss things in earnest! But I also know there's much I don't and can't know, but thankfully those things are secondary and ultimately unimportant compared to playing my role in this world as a slave of God. And yes, everyone makes mistakes and has massive holes in their knowledge, and knowledge itself can be tricky to talk about because things, when distilled, end up being based on "self evident" axioms and unprovable statements... but I simply cannot shake the certainty in my belief of a merciful and just Creator. Idk. 🙃
Ideology and belief evolves, sometimes for better and sometimes for worse. And how can it be a copy paste when the God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed was a being far and removed from any human flaw or negative characteristic? A God of rules, justice and mercy, not just a dude banging women in the skies, lol. Doesn't seem like much was copied, unless you're saying Roman Catholicism went full anthropormphic like the false deities of old and you'd be right but it's a false religion based on a real Jew they killed anyway.
And maybe, sometimes God inspires people. Solomon and his Ecclesiastes are good examples of writings that, considering their time, could go either way! Of course, if you don't believe in God, you can't believe in divine revelation (and you probably don't understand belief at all, you think it's a subset of the thoughts one can have on material reality when it is not), and I won't push either, DW.
So if the evolution of faith is good or bad, how do the incredibly flawed humans of your particular brand of belief figure out what's right? Accident of birth as the overwhelmingly majority of humans 'discover' their faith.
I mean this as a good faith question, so to speak. If faith can go down the wrong path and all evolution of various shared beliefs isn't created equal, what is the 'right' one?
By your own belief, we cannot know the mind of Yahweh, God, Allah, etc. So how do you know you picked the right one?
Change in uhh religious ideology is good when it's a mistaken take, far from what God wants us to do and a product of human ignorance and maliciousness, and bad when it's just a whim because one disagrees with God's takes. As examples of things that changed for the worse and now could change again for the better, we have the Paulian doctrine (God is three, one of them is prophet J-man, and if you believe Jesus is God you're automatically saved, so you can be as immoral as possible and it doesn't matter) at the core of every Trinitarian belief that supplanted Jesus' message, or the amoral takes of some early Judaic so called scholars, or the Hadiths (meant to be sayings of or about prophet Muhammad) that often run entirely opposed to the Qur'an and are blatant ways to excuse immirality...
I follow the word of God as specified in the Qur'an, and also as specified in the Qur'an I believe and understand the messages of Moses, Solomon and Jesus. Nobody who competently reads or knows about what they said and did can say they were all ideologically different: it's one set of fundamental beliefs, that God made us and will judge our judgement, which is at the core of it all. And it's not that hard to understand what right or wrong is, even babies have an innate sense for it after all, and more complicated moral questions just require more brainpower (and for whatever that is very iffy, like idk assisted suicide, God will understand we're just little ignorant, incomplete beings at our core, as he made us)
And there's no right one, lol, you just used different names for the same Creator entity. Whatever you call God, just know you'll meet Him. And, again, I don't think any prophet of God came spreading messages celebrating immorality, they kinda all say the same thing. Even the famous Jesus prayer has similar vibes to Al-Fatiha.
I'm well aware he's just regurgitating dogmatic slop. Catholic survivor myself, so it's always at least marginally amusing to try to adjudicate the logical underpinnings of said dogma with blind adherents.
But it's not consistent. I read the sermon on the mount, Jesus consistently refers to god with masculine language. So Jesus's god seems to be male, while other authors had other ideas.
This was one of my favorite parts:
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves. 16 By their fruits you will know them.
Let's apply that logic to Jesus himself. By the fruits of Jesus (his failed predictions and the horrors that christianity has wrought in his name), we know he was a false prophet. By every available measure, prophets do not exist. Anyone can try to predict the future, especially if they're vague about it. Those who have chosen to "believe" in advance ignore the misses and exaggerate the hits.
Again, Jesus was not a Christian, he was a Jew, a monotheist. He was killed by Rome then his image was co-opted by the empire and his creed disregarded to give more protagonism to amoral Paulian doctrine, which has supplanted the monotheistic core of Jesus' beliefs to this day. What he said makes entire sense today, just think how easy it would be for Trump loving morons that fall for his sweet lies designed for stupid and evil people to realize his idol is a monster! Just like faith without works is dead, through your acts I'll know who you are, and it all follows.
And you have a mistaken understanding of the word prophet, which is restricted to the uhh Lisan-al-Gaib, future teller character. Anyone who has had some communication or given extra capacities from the Divine, directly or indirectly, is considered a prophet. Abraham came with "news" of God, breaking with his polytheist culturally enforced beliefs, not prophecy; Moses came with God's rules, not prophecy; Solomon came with God given wisdom and put it into words for the world to better guided, not prophecy...
What he said makes entire sense today, just think how easy it would be for Trump loving morons that fall for his sweet lies designed for stupid and evil people to realize his idol is a monster!
What I'm getting at is that Jesus was also problematic, though not as bad as Trump. Jesus confused and misled a lot of people, his bullshit continues to harm us to this day.
Anyone who has had some communication or given extra capacities from the Divine, directly or indirectly, is considered a prophet. Abraham came with "news" of God, breaking with his polytheist culturally enforced beliefs, not prophecy; Moses came with God's rules, not prophecy; Solomon came with God given wisdom and put it into words for the world to better guided, not prophecy...
Is god not divine? The bible calls them prophets:
10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face
The Divine, the One, the Creator, God, they're all terms for the same entity.
And idk, you'll have to tell me what part of Jesus' message or life just wandering around and apparently healing the sick and feeding the needy when he was not preaching about righteousness and love, you think is problematic. Again, the USA of the time killed a revolutionary, God fearing Palestinian man and then used his image to Frankenstein a religion that looked good from afar (because Jesus always looked good) but is nothing but an excuse for immorality and union against a banner for immoral people to go around the world murdering and pillaging (from the Crusades to the Western incursions in West Asia today, as exemplified recently byPete Hegseth). It's not Jesus' fault some evil hellbound cunts killed him and used his image to profit from it. 😔🤷♂️
The Divine, the One, the Creator, God, they're all terms for the same entity.
According to you. But that's in your head, you can't demonstrate that it exists at all.
And idk, you'll have to tell me what part of Jesus' message or life just wandering around and apparently healing the sick and feeding the needy
He did some of that. He was also wasteful, racist, and delusional.
when he was not preaching about righteousness and love, you think is problematic.
"Listen to me, salvation is only through me, bad things will happen if you do not submit to my dad." That is not love, that is a threat. Ain't no hate like christian "love".
It's not Jesus' fault some evil hellbound cunts killed him and used his image to profit from it. 😔🤷♂️
Kind of. But he let himself get crucified because he thought he was a magic man. He was not a great person. His best teachings originated elsewhere. I'm not pretending he never did anything good (if we generously assume that any of the bible comes close to accurately depicting his life), but too many people give him too much credit.
And that one was Yahweh which was kind of based on El anyway (it's argued that YHWH was originally one of El's sons until he gained prominence in the region and eventually was elevated to El's spot and sort of merged characteristics with him).
In the mythology he can't be a man, he never received a Y chromosome from Joseph. Maybe he received that from the father-god? Or he was XO (Turner Syndrome). Could Jesus have been biologically/reproductively female but used male pronouns? Was Jesus trans? Based if true.
Lol, I'm sure the Creator, who made everything, can type in some Y chromosome into us, His little free-willed sims. Jesus was a righteous and selfless anti-imperialist (and proto-feminist/"egalitarian" as well), he gave his life for the cause, and that's all that matters in the end. 🤷♂️
Tbf, followers being illiterate, intellectually-lazy, misogynistic dumbasses is one of the biggest problems with modern Christianity, I think the ridicule is deserved.
All christianity, since always. It is founded on vague, contradictory bullshit that necessitates individual interpretation if one wants to pretend any of it is true.
There's no way to force people to act right without also deleting free will, man. Of course God wanted to create at least one sandbox with free-willed intelligent beings in it. Only God knows why, but evidently we're all grateful for it whether we say it or not or else at least a majority of people would commit suicide. 😅
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GOD IS genderless though, but evangelicals think its a MAN. several movies had made it a woman, to troll how stupid these people are.
they got upset about how angels are not masculinized, like god they are technically genderless, only not within a host.
Every god is made up and can be whatever gender you want it to be, hun
I used to do exactly this when referring to the generic all-being (as opposed to the Abrahamic god who has a history and a feminine consort), since biological sex is specific to individual species. Also, the X-gamete is the default. The Y-gamete is a weird shortened appendix.
Technically, they/them would be more appropriate in this gender-conscious era. It works better for the holy trinity as well, but that's a post-biblical addition to the Christian dogma.
Look I think religion is stupid but so is this strawman feelgoodsy argument. So disappointing.
Yeah, they're more of a he/Him/it anyway
This reminds me I was stopped in the street a few years ago by someone explaining some newer Korean Christian based religio/sect which believes that there are two images of God, the father and the mother, as humans were created in God's image. I think it is this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Mission_Society_Church_of_God
I think prefixing Christian god is better. Every time "well thank Christian god you're alright", just subtly remind them there's other religions, they don't like that
I'm not under your god's jurisdiction.
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They/them would be more accurate since the god from the Bible is a mixture of different bronze age gods. Did you notice how God is something shown as bloodthirsty and sometimes as benevolent? That is because they took myths and stories from different gods.
Just bring up Ashera.
Yahweh's ex.
That he doesn't mention any more, but we know existed.
Ask them if it might have something to do with Yahweh saying 'My name is Jealous', except of course, he says it in the third person.
Ask them how big God's dick is. Tell them you're serious. Make then explain how that's a ridiculous question. Then ask them: if God's gender identity isn't tied to genitals, why do they insist on doing it?
Could God's dick be so big, that he himself could not lift it? Then he is not all powerful.
Let me discuss dick sizes with Gramma, I'll brb!
Could God microwave
a burritohis penis so hot that not even he couldn't eat it?Edit: her penis.
Reminds me of this song
Mmm-hmm, oh yeah, me too. (Umm... what song?)
Idk the cool way to share music on Lemmy
Spotify
You know we did that a lot in the 90s.
I mean, Alanis Morissette in Dogma...
It just made them oddly angry and double down harder.
But if their god does exist, it wears this expression for them:
God says right in the bible that they are enby.
The true god cares not what your fleshy bits or squishy bits say is your pronouns. The true god only cares how many dreadnought rated artillery cannons are plugged directly into your brainstem.
I serve the Omnissiah.
The flesh is weak, but steel endures.
I did that while I was a woman for a few years. I still switch it up, because part of the ineffability of God is that God is all and no genders at the same time. Goes beyond duality and even superpositions.
God can microwave a burrito so hot even He cannot eat it, unless He does.
I've seen John Cena lose an arm wrestling contest with a little girl. God is so great He can be defeated by a small breeze if He wanted to. Part of the reason we do things like come to the Garden is to experience reality without God to make the stakes feel higher tp thus make it easier to disentangle yourself from your maladaptations to Heaven, which therefore makes it Hell after a period of time. The Myth of Er is no myth. What the Buddha said is true, and what Jesus actually said is hidden in the occult, because this is a police state, silly.
But they never said they don't care about pronouns. In fact they have very strongly stated that they extremely do care about pronouns
True, the one I always think was strange was when I was 6? I had a 1st grade teacher that was adamant we addressed her and others by the correct form of Ms/Miss/Mrs.
I was 6, I shouldn't have to care at all which adults are romantically involved nor which government documents theyve signed.
Twitter: set up strawman; knock it down. Gain followers. Rinse, repeat.
FR I thought the meme was maybe some sort of anti-christian-trans meme like some sort of church for trans out there would hypothetically get peeved about God's pronouns specifically?
Pure fever dream nonsense.
Their insecurities not only live rent free in their head, they've turned the whole place into a slum for stupid ideas
Well, there was this one German band who did that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp53irFjzYg
(Maybe some of you are familiar with the nightcore version instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiVIFMbwxOc)
I've seen God, and she was black.
Buffalo wins a Superbowl in this timeline..... 😢
I've seen God, and I swear on my life he was a black man driving a Cadillac.
She looks and sounds just like Whoopi Goldberg.
Are we sure it just wasn't gender-swapped Morgan Freeman?
AMEN. 😤😤😤
The only God that I accept
Amen brother.
The character of god is basically the ultimate shape shifter. For a being capable of shaping reality with just a thought, I gotta think such a being would be in a pretty constant phase of modifying itself, not just it's reality.
"He" vs "she" doesn't even scratch the tip of the iceberg when you look at god's arsenal of gender and sex characteristics - just look at some of the crazy shit it put here on earth. And I mean all of it, from the familiar dangly bits in our own pants to like a lizard's cloaca, to pollinators, etc.
You know the whole "biblically accurate angel" spiel with the trippy shifting eyes? I gotta think god's junk is a similar kaleidoscopic amalgamation of scrotums, clitorises, corkscrew duck penises, pollen, etc; all covered with a hefty amount of pubic hair and buckets of mucous.
Amen.
I am curious, historically was God referred to by he, she, or it?
Afaik the English version of the lore has always been 'he'. The original story according to the original language though, idk.
...I'd guess the original also used masculine pronouns though, mostly because of the whole triune thing - their 'god' is actually three critters rolled into one. There's the 'father' or what most people mean by the word 'god', the 'son' or 'Jesus', and 'the holy spirit' which is basically The Force from Star Wars.
I don't recall a sex or gender ever being assigned to The Force, but even if it is canonically female, the sausage fest from the other two would still tip the scales into 'he/him' territory.
They/them is probably the most accurate even of the lore itself doesn't use it - between the three, god is gender fluid. Volatilely so if we're going with the kaleidoscopic dance in the pants that is my preferred head canon (there's nothing in that book that suggests this isn't the case, and believing based on the lack of disproof is the whole basis for their cult in the first place, so I'm rolling with it!).
My Allah* bless for taking the time to answer me.
Edit: Or God, whatever rocks your boat
Same character, different fiction.
Speak for yourself, there's nothing familiar about whatever is going on down there.
I think you might actually be god.
I've been trying to tell people that for ages.
The created God is indeed the ultimate shapeshifter. They can be whatever those who imagine them imagine then as.
Did that unknowingly when I was a teen, wondered why it is a he, can't be a she because we are talking about a spirit basically.
Like many languages, languages of the Bible like Hebrew and Greek have grammatical genders. The aspect of God that smites things is grammatically male. The aspect of God that conveys spiritual strength - usually translated as "the Holy Spirit" - is grammatically female. Progressive movements of Protestantism and Judaism see God as both genders: one of the two creation stories in Genesis states God created man AND woman in God's image. The focus on the male aspect of God, and the second creation story in Genesis with the rib thing, is a conservative movement hang-up and not a general religion thing.
Of course the male part just smites things...
I mean, Roman Catholicism and offshoots have a "main God" which was just a Nazarene man so calling him a woman is at least just inaccurate. The Creator, the one Jesus prayed to, has no sex (even if He is used often, although They is used as well), being a somewhat incomprehensible being and not a sexually reproducing, dimorphic animal, lol.
But the Canaanite god the OT totally borrowed (Yahweh or YHWH as the former naming is a sin) was a married man. His wife was Asherah.
You can whip all all the syncretic bullshit you like, but the OG was a dude who like fighting and lightning. And pussy.
No, you mean that some cults, sometimes, eventually transform/course correct into belief on the One, or something close to it. I understand, but it doesn't change anything. People can be wrong in their understanding of God, people can have nonsensical beliefs like worshipping the very anthropomorphic, Zeus like character you're describing (or straight up deifying a man, like the Romans did!), that's nothing new. I don't believe in that, it doesn't matter if my ancestors did.
How can you be so sure you're not one on them? I bet the people you claim was wrong, were just as convinced as you are now.
I have examined them, they're consistent with my understanding of reality and they push me towards righteous living, avoiding vices, staying within what's permissible... and I'm almost always willing to discuss things in earnest! But I also know there's much I don't and can't know, but thankfully those things are secondary and ultimately unimportant compared to playing my role in this world as a slave of God. And yes, everyone makes mistakes and has massive holes in their knowledge, and knowledge itself can be tricky to talk about because things, when distilled, end up being based on "self evident" axioms and unprovable statements... but I simply cannot shake the certainty in my belief of a merciful and just Creator. Idk. 🙃
That's how you explain just doing a shitty copy paste job of older religions? Then claiming they discovered via divine inspiration?
Bitch please.
Ideology and belief evolves, sometimes for better and sometimes for worse. And how can it be a copy paste when the God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed was a being far and removed from any human flaw or negative characteristic? A God of rules, justice and mercy, not just a dude banging women in the skies, lol. Doesn't seem like much was copied, unless you're saying Roman Catholicism went full anthropormphic like the false deities of old and you'd be right but it's a false religion based on a real Jew they killed anyway.
And maybe, sometimes God inspires people. Solomon and his Ecclesiastes are good examples of writings that, considering their time, could go either way! Of course, if you don't believe in God, you can't believe in divine revelation (and you probably don't understand belief at all, you think it's a subset of the thoughts one can have on material reality when it is not), and I won't push either, DW.
So if the evolution of faith is good or bad, how do the incredibly flawed humans of your particular brand of belief figure out what's right? Accident of birth as the overwhelmingly majority of humans 'discover' their faith.
I mean this as a good faith question, so to speak. If faith can go down the wrong path and all evolution of various shared beliefs isn't created equal, what is the 'right' one?
By your own belief, we cannot know the mind of Yahweh, God, Allah, etc. So how do you know you picked the right one?
Change in uhh religious ideology is good when it's a mistaken take, far from what God wants us to do and a product of human ignorance and maliciousness, and bad when it's just a whim because one disagrees with God's takes. As examples of things that changed for the worse and now could change again for the better, we have the Paulian doctrine (God is three, one of them is prophet J-man, and if you believe Jesus is God you're automatically saved, so you can be as immoral as possible and it doesn't matter) at the core of every Trinitarian belief that supplanted Jesus' message, or the amoral takes of some early Judaic so called scholars, or the Hadiths (meant to be sayings of or about prophet Muhammad) that often run entirely opposed to the Qur'an and are blatant ways to excuse immirality...
I follow the word of God as specified in the Qur'an, and also as specified in the Qur'an I believe and understand the messages of Moses, Solomon and Jesus. Nobody who competently reads or knows about what they said and did can say they were all ideologically different: it's one set of fundamental beliefs, that God made us and will judge our judgement, which is at the core of it all. And it's not that hard to understand what right or wrong is, even babies have an innate sense for it after all, and more complicated moral questions just require more brainpower (and for whatever that is very iffy, like idk assisted suicide, God will understand we're just little ignorant, incomplete beings at our core, as he made us)
And there's no right one, lol, you just used different names for the same Creator entity. Whatever you call God, just know you'll meet Him. And, again, I don't think any prophet of God came spreading messages celebrating immorality, they kinda all say the same thing. Even the famous Jesus prayer has similar vibes to Al-Fatiha.
This guy ain't too bright
He just parrots the talking points he's learnt in his cult
I'm well aware he's just regurgitating dogmatic slop. Catholic survivor myself, so it's always at least marginally amusing to try to adjudicate the logical underpinnings of said dogma with blind adherents.
The one Jesus prayed to, he specifically called his father.
You know it's all bullshit, right? It's a literal death cult.
Cannibal death cult.
Not his, everyone's, lol. Read the Sermon on the Mount, it's like 10 pages?
I was referring to your comment:
This is a good point:
But it's not consistent. I read the sermon on the mount, Jesus consistently refers to god with masculine language. So Jesus's god seems to be male, while other authors had other ideas.
This was one of my favorite parts:
Let's apply that logic to Jesus himself. By the fruits of Jesus (his failed predictions and the horrors that christianity has wrought in his name), we know he was a false prophet. By every available measure, prophets do not exist. Anyone can try to predict the future, especially if they're vague about it. Those who have chosen to "believe" in advance ignore the misses and exaggerate the hits.
Again, Jesus was not a Christian, he was a Jew, a monotheist. He was killed by Rome then his image was co-opted by the empire and his creed disregarded to give more protagonism to amoral Paulian doctrine, which has supplanted the monotheistic core of Jesus' beliefs to this day. What he said makes entire sense today, just think how easy it would be for Trump loving morons that fall for his sweet lies designed for stupid and evil people to realize his idol is a monster! Just like faith without works is dead, through your acts I'll know who you are, and it all follows.
And you have a mistaken understanding of the word prophet, which is restricted to the uhh Lisan-al-Gaib, future teller character. Anyone who has had some communication or given extra capacities from the Divine, directly or indirectly, is considered a prophet. Abraham came with "news" of God, breaking with his polytheist culturally enforced beliefs, not prophecy; Moses came with God's rules, not prophecy; Solomon came with God given wisdom and put it into words for the world to better guided, not prophecy...
What I'm getting at is that Jesus was also problematic, though not as bad as Trump. Jesus confused and misled a lot of people, his bullshit continues to harm us to this day.
Is god not divine? The bible calls them prophets:
The Divine, the One, the Creator, God, they're all terms for the same entity.
And idk, you'll have to tell me what part of Jesus' message or life just wandering around and apparently healing the sick and feeding the needy when he was not preaching about righteousness and love, you think is problematic. Again, the USA of the time killed a revolutionary, God fearing Palestinian man and then used his image to Frankenstein a religion that looked good from afar (because Jesus always looked good) but is nothing but an excuse for immorality and union against a banner for immoral people to go around the world murdering and pillaging (from the Crusades to the Western incursions in West Asia today, as exemplified recently byPete Hegseth). It's not Jesus' fault some evil hellbound cunts killed him and used his image to profit from it. 😔🤷♂️
According to you. But that's in your head, you can't demonstrate that it exists at all.
He did some of that. He was also wasteful, racist, and delusional.
"Listen to me, salvation is only through me, bad things will happen if you do not submit to my dad." That is not love, that is a threat. Ain't no hate like christian "love".
Kind of. But he let himself get crucified because he thought he was a magic man. He was not a great person. His best teachings originated elsewhere. I'm not pretending he never did anything good (if we generously assume that any of the bible comes close to accurately depicting his life), but too many people give him too much credit.
And that one was Yahweh which was kind of based on El anyway (it's argued that YHWH was originally one of El's sons until he gained prominence in the region and eventually was elevated to El's spot and sort of merged characteristics with him).
Some religious people claim "nuh uh," to be fair.
In the mythology he can't be a man, he never received a Y chromosome from Joseph. Maybe he received that from the father-god? Or he was XO (Turner Syndrome). Could Jesus have been biologically/reproductively female but used male pronouns? Was Jesus trans? Based if true.
Lol, I'm sure the Creator, who made everything, can type in some Y chromosome into us, His little free-willed sims. Jesus was a righteous and selfless anti-imperialist (and proto-feminist/"egalitarian" as well), he gave his life for the cause, and that's all that matters in the end. 🤷♂️
He gets bonus points of trans or intersex though. Standard difficulty multiplier.
Does it matter? They'll care.
It matters because it's less critical of the creed and more of people being (selectively?) illiterate and intellectually lazy misogynistic dumbasses!
Tbf, followers being illiterate, intellectually-lazy, misogynistic dumbasses is one of the biggest problems with modern Christianity, I think the ridicule is deserved.
All christianity, since always. It is founded on vague, contradictory bullshit that necessitates individual interpretation if one wants to pretend any of it is true.
Fair point! I guess I just wasn't around to witness the other versions, so I can't speak to them as confidently.
I wasn't there, either. But have you read the bible? It was absolutely written by:
First example I can think of: Snake told Eve to eat fruit. Eve relayed the info to Adam. Adam and Eve ate the fruit. Eve gets all the blame.
If an all-powerful god allowed this to happen, it's because he wanted it to. But he punished his creations for being the way he created them.
The bible exists to normalize abuse.
I don't really disagree with anything except the claim that a book was written by illiterates lol
There's no way to force people to act right without also deleting free will, man. Of course God wanted to create at least one sandbox with free-willed intelligent beings in it. Only God knows why, but evidently we're all grateful for it whether we say it or not or else at least a majority of people would commit suicide. 😅
Oh certainly, I was just being a bit of a 🤓, lol.