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untorquerreply
quokk.au

A particularly strong oxidizer at that. Which is why the paint came up in chips

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wheezyreply
lemmy.ml

I really doubt it. Maybe in the direct area that is was poured into. But they'd literally have to have dumped swimming pools worth of it into it for it to do anything.

The pool takes 6 Million gallons of water to fill. They were pouring in peroxide by hand. By hand. They were essentially pouring gallons of water into water. When hydrogen peroxide is exposed to any heat (like from the fucking sun in the summer) it degrades significantly faster. The hydrogen peroxide just turns into water while releasing oxygen gas.

It could have reacted with the paint directly where it was being poured in before getting diluted. But I think the paint job was just garbage in the first place. It probably wasn't sealed correctly. Given how entire sheets of it were just floating around.

Edit: Wikipedia and it's sources agree with me.

According to a variety of experts interviewed by a variety of sources, the application of hydrogen peroxide to reduce algae in the Reflecting Pool was likely too diluted to account for the magnitude of the damage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Memorial_Reflecting_Pool

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lemmy.world

Not to mention that hydrogen peroxide readily reacts with organic matter (which is how it kills stuff) and the pool was full of algae to react with.

My guess is that either a layer of grey crud grew over the liner, or the dye/liner was never water safe to begin with.

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Reading into the Wikipedia sources it seems the type of sealant used was liked not cured sufficiently before it was exposed to the elements. (Makes sense, the average pool isn't getting cooked in direct sunlight like the reflecting pool was).

It's like a home chef trying to cook in an industrial kitchen for 1000s of people. Trump's pool guy just repeated the process used for personal pools on a project way beyond the scale they were qualified for. Shit didn't work how they expected it to in a completely different climate and and scale.

It short. "Trump's friend" was completely unqualified. Shocker.

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Fair enough. Just been working with chlorine/corrosion lately so it's on my mind.

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lemmy.ca

Trump has said, without citing evidence, that vandals made a “350-foot gash” in the liner and caused other problems. No large slash marks were immediately visible Wednesday from the Washington Monument view. It was not possible to do a more up-close inspection of the entire pool due to a dark fence surrounding the perimeter.

Interior Secretary Doug Burgum, whose agency oversees the National Park Service, said that after the water is drained and debris is cleaned from Independence Day fireworks, the plan for the pool is straightforward: “Repair the vandalism that was done. Fill it back up again.” He was speaking with conservative podcaster Katie Miller.

They believe their own lies, don't they? It would be easier if it were just straightforward dishonesty, but it has turned into a cult of shared delusion, and it's in charge of the USA.

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Reyalireply
lemmy.world

I read once that Trump isn’t just a liar; he’s a bullshitter. The nuance was that lying requires some consistency, some standard of a coherent story; lying requires knowing and caring about the truth and choosing a different story. Bullshitting doesn’t; bullshitting is just saying whatever you want whenever you want, regardless.

It helped me better understand their actions. And also somehow makes it worse that they believe the bullshit, since it doesn’t hold up to any kind of scrutiny or logical thought at all.

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His intelligence here doesn’t matter. That’s the important point about bullshitting. He’s a willful bullshitter, and always has been.

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Yes, that’s the definition of bullshit. Things said without caring if they are true.

I think many people don’t know this. I didn’t, until trump became president.

AI bullshits all the time. Because it doesn’t have the capacity to care.

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I've been using this joke for a decade now.

Bush Jr gave us great lies. Lies that were raised in small batches on family farms, then harvested with great care. They were aged to perfection in handcrafted oaken barrels under the supervision of Old World craftsmen and only decanted at their peak.

They were lies that made you feel ennobled by their precision

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That sounds exactly like where that came from, though I didn’t know the source. Thanks for sharing!! I’ll try to credit it in the future when it comes up.

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That’s almost certainly where the idea came from, though when I learned it wasn’t cited. Thank you for letting me know!

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To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself—that was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word—doublethink—involved the use of doublethink.

Just a friendly reminder, in case you made yourself forget about the terrible truth of our world. The truly horrifying thing? Your own tribe is doing it too.

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lemmy.zip

What a way to remember Lincoln…

If this level of carelessness happened around a confederate monument republicans would lose their shit.

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lemmy.world

If 0.0001% of this carelessness was done under a Dem focks nooz would be running it nonstop and the reds would be filing articles of impeachment over it

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DarkFuturereply
lemmy.world

They'd be beating cops and smearing their shit on the walls like the animals they are.

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lemmy.world

Not only did the vandals slash it, but they’ve also painted it grey while it was filled!

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That new underwater paint really has came a long way!

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lemmy.ca

The president at first suggested his renovations would cost $1.5 million, but the bill ballooned to more than $16 million by June.

Trump had said the repairs would last a century, but within days of the project’s initial completion last month, the water was beset by an algae bloom and pieces of the new coating appeared to be peeling off the bottom.

The Trumpy lie followed by definitive proof of it being totally false is becoming increasingly rapid-fire: bait and switch, bait and switch... seems he can't conceal his trickery long enough before the next news cycle anymore. It's quite astonishing.

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DarkFuturereply
lemmy.world

There's literally no interval between bait and switches so short that it won't work on conservatives/regressives.

He could tell them dogs aren't real and 30 seconds later tell them they are real but that cats aren't and they'd be fully onboard.

It's a cult thing.

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A large part of the cult mentality is consistently reinforcing that your group is in on some big secret that the rest of the world is clueless to. It quickly becomes a self-sustaining feedback loop where the cult will go along with wild things just to keep up the idea that they’re in the know.

This is further reinforced with messaging that the outside world is hostile, and safety can only be found within the cult. This is actually a large part of why Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses do their door-knocking. They have already been primed to expect hostility from the people answering the door, and that hostility only reinforces the idea that the outside world is dangerous and ignorant. And we see this with modern MAGAts now, because they have been primed to expect hostility whenever they try to bring up anything that outs them as MAGA.

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mercreply
sh.itjust.works

"trickery" implies he's clever and doing things intentionally.

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Yeah, it's not like he's some evil genius. Serial abusers aren't trained manipulators. It's just kind of built into their character. It's automatic. And it's not even like he's intentionally hiring smarter people to be evil for him. His shit personality just draws those kinds of people to him.

None of this is sophisticated. It's just that a terrifying percentage of Americans are dogshit stupid, so low effort evil works.

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silence7reply
slrpnk.net

He intentionally hired "greenwater services" a firm whose owners have a history of paying bribes to fill the pool with algae

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mercreply
sh.itjust.works

Huh? The owners of the company pay bribes to... pool owners so that they can fill the pool with algae? Why would they want to do that?

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No, owners of company pay bribes to Trump so they get paid a rediculous amount to do a shoddy job and fill the pool with algae, which they can then get paid to remove

They owners of the company have done similar things in other businesses in the past

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lemmy.zip

At least the Romans had entertaining circuses not whatever the fuck this is

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MeatPilotreply
sh.itjust.works

It's empty now, we can use it as a gladiator pit.

I vote that each executive branch fight it out in there. But also add lions for some spicy entertainment?

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Don't think the Romans ever put corpses up to fight in gladiator games.

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Put a guillotine on one end and fill the pool with the blood of the bourgeoisie.

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Fill it with sand, add a center barricade down the length. Now you have a great jousting arena and hippodrome for track/field sports.

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What do you mean? You have football, hockey, baseball and you just had a world cup. Keep that economy afloat and don't think about it too much.

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lemmy.world

Wonder how many school lunches or college degrees that 'flag blue' color would have paid for ...

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lemmy.world

So far the project, originally estimated by the administration to cost up to $2M, sits at $16M and growing.

At $5 per school lunch, that's 3.2M school lunches. With the average US in-state bachelor's degree at $11.4K, that's 1403 degrees.

For context, there is an estimated 22M children receiving subsidized school lunches. Given the wealth of the US, that figure is baffling.

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Oh wow, that guy who looks like he ties damsels to railroads for fun didn't end up doing a good job on the pool?

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lemmy.world

I wonder whose nephew/cousin/kid owns the contracted companies who "fixed" the initial "repairs"

This shit is so blatant old school new york slumlord grift

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Noel_Skumreply
sh.itjust.works

No joke. This is the boss of the contractors. I get Batman villain vibes…

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Someone else in this thread says he looks like the type of guy who ties damsels to train tracks.

Now I think more about it he’s a good fit for a Looney Tunes villain.

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FrChazzzreply
lemmus.org

I'm just here wondering how he has TWO parts in his hair?!

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Haha, it sure does look like that. But I think the one is just a lens flare, it goes above the hair. But looking that close definitely gave me toupee vibes

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I like that he went to the trouble of dying his mustache (and hair? Or is that a toupee?) but just decided to leave his eyebrows...

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lemmy.world

Enough is enough, let the parks service fix it and send Donald Trump the bill.

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skvlpreply
lemmy.wtf

Nah, don’t let competence take over, lives aren’t lost. Is funnier to watch them repeatedly try, cock it up, receive scorn.

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If a “gray, drained pool, devoid of even a glimmer of reflection” isn’t an apt analogy for MAGAmurica, I don’t know what is…

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Okay, just like a Confederate uniform. Don't be childish.

Second, let me explain what actually happened here. I believe the project cost around $14 million before the hydrogen peroxide was added to the reflecting pool.

That money went to one of Trump's associates, who almost certainly pocketed the vast majority of it and spent only a small fraction on the work that actually needed to be done to the reflecting pool. That's why this is happening.

His associate isn't issuing a refund, and the government isn't demanding the money back.

This was effectively a government subsidy to line a friend's pockets.

Nobody actually cares about the reflecting pool.

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Accountability isnt an american trait.

Blame and passing the buck, though...

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This was a MUCH Better use of Tax Dollars then Feeding STARVING AMERICANS!

-Republicans on Welfare!

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sh.itjust.works

Importantly, it's a dark grey.

One of the reasons they said that algae was blooming is that the blue bottom resulted in the pool heating up. A white bottom reflects the light. A blue bottom absorbs more, so it heats up more. A dark grey bottom will heat up even more than a light blue, so unless they fix the colour, they'll have algae problems as soon as there's water in it.

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Bwazreply
lemmy.world

Very good point. Swimming pools are often painted blue to look more cheerful, but it's a very light blue, and the pools are heavily chlorinated ss well. Took an idiot who never consults with anyone with actual expertise to take the plan to a large, shallow, untreated pool and use a darker blue color.

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AFAIK the reflecting pool has none of the things you need with a home pool, like a permanently on filter system, heavy chlorination, etc.

I admit that I know nothing about the huge reflecting pool. But, I know enough to know that I don't know. I know that the people who take care of it probably know what they're doing, and probably have decades of institutional knowledge that I should respect.

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Creating a problem then repeatedly "fixing" it has been the Republican strategy all my life.

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lemmy.world

I wish people could come together and say collectively to 'news outlets': "no, stop reporting on this, it is not news" and they would cease pushing the asinine minutiae of idiocy which distracts us and dilutes our conversations about what should be done and return their spotlight onto the important events happening.

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aussie.zone

No. This news is something people can understand. They can see the failure and understand it.

Now try to explain to a normie what false slates are.

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mander.xyz

I don't know, how does "Convicted rapist and alleged child molesting US president contends that the color of a publicly-funded overpriced underwater paint job is closer to blue than gray" sound?

Does it still sound like news or should we be looking into the actual Epstein files?

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aussie.zone

We can't look into it bro it's basically soup lol

You will never see the files you want to, sorry.

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mander.xyz

So let's just look at paint instead.

Are you fucking kidding me? Seriously?

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You seem to be under the impression that everyone is getting the same news. They are not. This gripping drama isn't even on the radar of the so-called normies. And they wouldn't care either way except to align with how the story is spun to fit their preferred narrative.

For others, they already know. This is just another of a long series of "news" tidbits thrown out for the more disgruntled masses for them to sit, smugly, in the comfort of their armchairs, and with vindication, feeling temporarily superior while verbally masturbating with each other and becoming aquatic decorative experts.

It's fine, and par for the course, really. The people most affected by the current status quo are generally incapable of making any meaningful contribution to their own collective well-being. I keep forgetting that and shouldn't have even bothered to mention it.

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Poor guy can't catch a break. We're here for you, Donald. Together, we'll make it through this difficult time. Deus Vult, you fat idiot.

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Add it to the list of things drumpf has touched that turned to dog shit. It’d be easier to list the things he HASN’T turned to dog shit

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lemmy.world

In new news, President Trump is officially suing the Sun for emitting too much sunlight and damaging "the beautiful and expensive, so expensive, blue pool liner". This reporter had contacted the Sun but has not received confirmation of any response. "

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Main man may have to just go confront the Sun itself.

(Imagine if he tried to nuke the fuckin Sun lmfao)

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infosec.pub

Look for the Trey report on YouTube. They are using the pool for cooling a big underground data center under the white house. The problems that require redoing the pool all the time and "wasting" lots of money is probably planned.

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nosuchanonreply
lemmy.world

They’re using unfiltered river water for cooling an underground bunker data center in the White House?

Can I have whatever you’ve been smoking? Cause that shit must be real good!

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You don't understand, the duck poop and algae has a better thermal capacity than pure water. The Pedo in Chief is playing 5d chess!

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nosuchanonreply
lemmy.world

I don’t know why this is such news to you. That command center is being rebuilt, And probably modernized. Command center in bunker has been there since the 60s so how is this any new fucking revelation?

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nomadreply
infosec.pub

Its mostly the part about imitating the Israeli oracle datacenter with a identity database and LLM based automated kill decisions that concerns me..

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Palantir Kill Chain. Well it’s already in use in Iran. Working as designed unfortunately.

Not much that any normal citizen can do about what the Pentagon decides it wants done.

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Bo7areply
piefed.ca

There is no need to share your stupid fever dreams with the fediverse.

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That is the dumbest conspiracy theory I've heard in a while. First, a pool of water is a really shitty way to cool a data center. Second, why would they put a data center under the white house? They could put it anywhere, places where there isn't already infrastructure in place that they have to remove. Third, the amountof money spent on this wouldn't pay for a very big data center. Fourth, this administration wouldn't hide a data center they would build it and just tell everyone it's for tracking immigrants and people would eat it up.

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