It is. It's not the preferred term for that stuff anymore. But anyone who's been seeing that used as the abbreviation for all those years before they came up with CSAM is going to recognize it as that.
An acronym for "Child Rape Media" would be CRM, possibly pronounced "kerm" or "krum." Either way, it wouldn't even be the correct initialism, since those aren't even the same letters as "CP."
It absolutely does not. This is what absolutely drives me fucking crazy about this, that not a single person who makes this assertion has actually looked up the definition.
If you pretend not to understand how acronyms works in order to signal that you believe all CP is abuse, that makes it seem like maybe you don’t actually think all CP is abuse. A “the lady doth protest too much” situation.
Nowadays CP is deprecated since pornography implies consent, and as you have already implied kids legally can't you are right in saying that it's rape, but also it can't be pornography. Anyway, the modern term is CSAM, children sexual abuse material.
There is nothing about consent in the definition of the term "pornography". "CP" doesn't imply thinking it is okay, and "CSAM" is for virtue-signaling losers who probably also correct "homeless" to "unhoused" because they think that's the same thing as helping.
I think the main issue is that CP kind of normalizes it and associates it with regular porn while CSAM makes it clear how bad it is.
I do mostly agree that it doesn't really matter much which is used and unhoused does annoy me a bit. It's bothersome being corrected I guess but it's nothing to get mad about either tbh.
Literally noone in the history of the world thinks that you can normalise child porn by calling it child porn. But some people, faced with the difficulty of making a real difference, seize in the only thing they feel they can control: other people's language.
Acronym puns aside. I just don't get it, to me it feels like there were no groundbreaking or even major breakthroughs in gaming ever since, like what, 2011? Alright, 2015.
Depends where you're looking and how you define "Revolution"; even in those earlier eras, they were just advancements of techniques that had previously been invented but were impractical til that point.
So I'd say VR hardware has had a revolution during the that time.
Environmental destruction (real and virtual lol)
Real time ray tracing
It's hard to really discuss without knowing the kinds of things you found revolutionising in those eras.
I'd say the last big "revolutionizing" thing in gaming was the release of the Nintendo Switch in 2017. All of the current handhelds owe their success to the Switch.
You... you do realize we were handheld gaming long before the Switch, right? Game Boy, Game Gear, Sega Nomad, GBA, NDS, PSP, 3DS, Vita, plus emulation handhelds have been around since the early 2010s, and I've personally been gaming with 7" and 8" tablets with telescopic controllers since 2013.
How exactly do all current handhelds owe their success to the Switch?
I'm old enough that I still have my original Game Boy that I got as a kid in elementary school, so I have been playing on handhelds for decades.
The Switch was the first "Flagship" handheld meant to compete with home consoles. It proved that there was a market for such a device, then the Steam Deck capitalized hard and the rest is history.
Sure, you can split hairs & say that the Nomad was technically a handheld Genesis, or get even more technical and say that the Game Gear was a handheld Master System, but neither one took over the market like the Switch. Hell, I've never seen a Nomad outside of a retro game store, it's basically a rounding error in market share percentage just below the Atari Lynx.
It takes a little over 10 years to recognize that a game (or anything really) was revolutionary. You have to wait until all of the chaff has been forgotten, leaving only the revolutionary games behind.
Here are some of my top picks for what folks will look back on when they right the 2025-2035 had no good games version of your post.
Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom.
Vampire survivors.
Hades.
Elden Ring.
Disco Elysium.
And one which will probably be a cult classic/sleeper hit:
Return of the Obra Dinn.
One could argue that ray tracing is the current item, but unfortunately no one has been able to truly maximize the quality or performance…
Cp2077 with the godlike ray tracing does look really good, but requires a ridiculous setup to see it.
I would also suggest frame gen or scaling as another new improvement. Being able to basically realtime render a lower resolution and scale it (non-ML based) is an incredible engineering feat.
Frame gen does have a (small) place as well. There are legitimate reasons to use it to improve performance. With dedicated hardware it becomes an easy way to improve FPS (some) on lower end hardware.
2015-present may not have had such tectonic shifts, but in a lot of ways, we can now do more with less and fine tune an experience we enjoy.
Major things for me are the rise of kernel anti cheat (revolutions don't have to be good), and the rise of linux gaming--both the steam deck and linux gaming in general (the solution to both MS and a passive prevention of kernel level bs). Around 2015, barely any games ran on linux, but today most do unless they have that kernel level anti-cheat or the makers specifically wanted to exclude linux users.
I think it's more so because it took a long time to figure out the basics, and now we have them to build further upon. Take cars, for example. Can you think of any revolutionary cars from recent years? The first ever cars were revolutionary. The Ford model T was revolutionary because of its assembly and availability to the masses. The first few hybrids and EVs could also be seen as such. But other than that? Nah.
Perhaps a car enthusiast would like to correct me, that's fine. I admit I know very little when it comes to cars. But this is my perception at least.
Its pretty good, just that it's not affordable to the peasants like us who cant run stuff in 8k.
And even if we could, we can't expect devs to optimize for 8k hardware pathtracing ai assisted npc interactions with a splash of god's very own jizz.
I am impatient however for vr to catch up it doesnt make sense to make such immersive worlds to just project it on a flat screen with the tech we have now.
the "revolutionary" breakthroughs, which i experienced (so it's subjective) we're hl1 for graphics and hl2 for it's physics engine. everything else felt like gradual improvements of those.
yeah i was thinking to look into it. hl3, aka alyx sounds as much a tech demo as the two predecessors.
just besides the price it feels to much like something that you buy, try out, have fun and leave in the shelf because it's to much hassle to set up each time you wanna play sth.
that sounds to good to be true ;) i check it out, when i get the possibility. i was just thinking.. getting vr at home would be a terrible idea... we have two hyper active cats xD
Truly the two of the greatest games in gaming history.
Its funny how now the giant companies with infinte money just make 20 years old games but with unreal graphics. I wonder, how the advances in gamedev technlogy will turn out for indie devs in same 20 years.
Godot and Unreal are both improving in different directions but honestly I don't think small crews will be any less limited by their time needed to create than they are now.
I would like to think a lot. Just because some are going this route doesn't mean all of them are. I have played a lot of games with some new game mechanics that werent around and it will continue to happen.
Go back another 20 years and you'll find Manic Miner & Horace goes skiing...wait that's a little early... Donkey Kong Jr & Chopper Command were released in 1982. 80s to 90s probably had the biggest step up, no doubt due to the introduction of consoles.
Yeah theyre a bit before my time but I played a lot on my dad's hoard. I still remember how excited he was showing off how many colours you could have on screen on donkey Kong country.
Ah the days of 2D gaming in monochrome! Next stop, Checkered Flag on zx spectrum, such wild colours! what? You view from behind the car too?! Woaahh! Totally unplayable now haha!
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Lmao I just finished the series. Need to watch El Camino, and Better Call Saul now
Better Call Saul is one of the best TV shows ever made, so under appreciated.
GTA: San Andreas and Cyberpunk 2077 for anyone wondering (like me)
And for any unaware
SA can mean Sexual Assault
CP is sometimes used as an acronym for Child Rape Media but I don't think its very fitting, personally.
Another Acronym thats better is CSAM but honestly why are we even abbreviating it at all?
I thought "CP" was "Child Pornography"
It is. It's not the preferred term for that stuff anymore. But anyone who's been seeing that used as the abbreviation for all those years before they came up with CSAM is going to recognize it as that.
Thats what I said
An acronym for "Child Rape Media" would be CRM, possibly pronounced "kerm" or "krum." Either way, it wouldn't even be the correct initialism, since those aren't even the same letters as "CP."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym
It absolutely does not. This is what absolutely drives me fucking crazy about this, that not a single person who makes this assertion has actually looked up the definition.
Then they could have said that. That's literally not what they said.
Now would it be a CP or a CSAM in the case of the video of children consentingly doing it between themselves?
Basically every teenage couple...
All Child Pornography is Child Rape Media, so CP is an acronym for it.
A difference without distinction.
Its just not how acronymns work
But it is how synonyms work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym
Another shit take from xi poopy pants pooh jinping
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If you pretend not to understand how acronyms works in order to signal that you believe all CP is abuse, that makes it seem like maybe you don’t actually think all CP is abuse. A “the lady doth protest too much” situation.
Nowadays CP is deprecated since pornography implies consent, and as you have already implied kids legally can't you are right in saying that it's rape, but also it can't be pornography. Anyway, the modern term is CSAM, children sexual abuse material.
There is nothing about consent in the definition of the term "pornography". "CP" doesn't imply thinking it is okay, and "CSAM" is for virtue-signaling losers who probably also correct "homeless" to "unhoused" because they think that's the same thing as helping.
I think the main issue is that CP kind of normalizes it and associates it with regular porn while CSAM makes it clear how bad it is.
I do mostly agree that it doesn't really matter much which is used and unhoused does annoy me a bit. It's bothersome being corrected I guess but it's nothing to get mad about either tbh.
Literally noone in the history of the world thinks that you can normalise child porn by calling it child porn. But some people, faced with the difficulty of making a real difference, seize in the only thing they feel they can control: other people's language.
The ones advocating for it are child protection agencies, not randos on the internet with no control.
I found it annoying as well at first but it's easy to get used too. I don't see the harm in it.
I always just assumed CSAM was people trying to exclude illustrated kiddie porn from the definition since no sexual assault takes place.
I believe the A stands for abuse
Ok, same applies.
Boy I sure hope any porn I see was consensual, else it isn't porn but an illegal rape video wtf.
I mean, yes that's what it would be if it's not consensual? Major self-report here, bud.
Do you ever wonder if the porn actor filming with a smile, might secretly be a hostage, and you might be getting off to someone being raped?
Well, I at least I don't have to worry about that anymore.
Thank you, that gave me a pause and I couldn't get past that to figure out what games those were
Don't undersell SA. I wouldn't be the person I am today without SA in my childhood.
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This user right here, officer.
"Step outta the thread please sir..."
Donvict Drumpf, is that you?
Acronym puns aside. I just don't get it, to me it feels like there were no groundbreaking or even major breakthroughs in gaming ever since, like what, 2011? Alright, 2015.
85-95? Revolutionizing
95-05? Revolutionizing
05-15? Revolutionizing
15-now? ???? ?????????? Eh!!???!!!???
Depends where you're looking and how you define "Revolution"; even in those earlier eras, they were just advancements of techniques that had previously been invented but were impractical til that point.
So I'd say VR hardware has had a revolution during the that time.
Environmental destruction (real and virtual lol)
Real time ray tracing
It's hard to really discuss without knowing the kinds of things you found revolutionising in those eras.
We truly are in the Dreamcast vs. N64 years of VR gaming.
These years are revolutionary in the boom of indie game development in my opinion
I'd say the last big "revolutionizing" thing in gaming was the release of the Nintendo Switch in 2017. All of the current handhelds owe their success to the Switch.
You... you do realize we were handheld gaming long before the Switch, right? Game Boy, Game Gear, Sega Nomad, GBA, NDS, PSP, 3DS, Vita, plus emulation handhelds have been around since the early 2010s, and I've personally been gaming with 7" and 8" tablets with telescopic controllers since 2013.
How exactly do all current handhelds owe their success to the Switch?
I'm old enough that I still have my original Game Boy that I got as a kid in elementary school, so I have been playing on handhelds for decades.
The Switch was the first "Flagship" handheld meant to compete with home consoles. It proved that there was a market for such a device, then the Steam Deck capitalized hard and the rest is history.
Sure, you can split hairs & say that the Nomad was technically a handheld Genesis, or get even more technical and say that the Game Gear was a handheld Master System, but neither one took over the market like the Switch. Hell, I've never seen a Nomad outside of a retro game store, it's basically a rounding error in market share percentage just below the Atari Lynx.
It takes a little over 10 years to recognize that a game (or anything really) was revolutionary. You have to wait until all of the chaff has been forgotten, leaving only the revolutionary games behind.
Here are some of my top picks for what folks will look back on when they right the 2025-2035 had no good games version of your post.
Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom. Vampire survivors. Hades. Elden Ring. Disco Elysium.
And one which will probably be a cult classic/sleeper hit: Return of the Obra Dinn.
Just for a start.
Im skeptical about elden ring. Isn't it just a polished version of souls?
Souls is just a polished version of kings field, so having played them all, I'm qualified to say it's a major step up in the series
One could argue that ray tracing is the current item, but unfortunately no one has been able to truly maximize the quality or performance…
Cp2077 with the godlike ray tracing does look really good, but requires a ridiculous setup to see it.
I would also suggest frame gen or scaling as another new improvement. Being able to basically realtime render a lower resolution and scale it (non-ML based) is an incredible engineering feat.
Frame gen does have a (small) place as well. There are legitimate reasons to use it to improve performance. With dedicated hardware it becomes an easy way to improve FPS (some) on lower end hardware.
2015-present may not have had such tectonic shifts, but in a lot of ways, we can now do more with less and fine tune an experience we enjoy.
I had all of these in mind when I was writing my previous comment and that's why I posted it.
To me, they are all very underwhelming and redundant.
dont forget the advent of horse armor
That was in 2011, 15 years ago.
Major things for me are the rise of kernel anti cheat (revolutions don't have to be good), and the rise of linux gaming--both the steam deck and linux gaming in general (the solution to both MS and a passive prevention of kernel level bs). Around 2015, barely any games ran on linux, but today most do unless they have that kernel level anti-cheat or the makers specifically wanted to exclude linux users.
Moore's law ended. Stuff done in 15 couldn't be done in 5. But there's not much we can do now that we couldn't do 15.
I think it's more so because it took a long time to figure out the basics, and now we have them to build further upon. Take cars, for example. Can you think of any revolutionary cars from recent years? The first ever cars were revolutionary. The Ford model T was revolutionary because of its assembly and availability to the masses. The first few hybrids and EVs could also be seen as such. But other than that? Nah.
Perhaps a car enthusiast would like to correct me, that's fine. I admit I know very little when it comes to cars. But this is my perception at least.
Its pretty good, just that it's not affordable to the peasants like us who cant run stuff in 8k. And even if we could, we can't expect devs to optimize for 8k hardware pathtracing ai assisted npc interactions with a splash of god's very own jizz.
I am impatient however for vr to catch up it doesnt make sense to make such immersive worlds to just project it on a flat screen with the tech we have now.
the "revolutionary" breakthroughs, which i experienced (so it's subjective) we're hl1 for graphics and hl2 for it's physics engine. everything else felt like gradual improvements of those.
ok, i should add that I'm not playing any so-called AAA games for a decade or two. they somehow always turned out to be a waste ;)
You owe it to yourself to borrow an oculus from a 14 year old and play Alyx.
yeah i was thinking to look into it. hl3, aka alyx sounds as much a tech demo as the two predecessors.
just besides the price it feels to much like something that you buy, try out, have fun and leave in the shelf because it's to much hassle to set up each time you wanna play sth.
do you have experience with it?
Yes, it's easily the best of the three.
that sounds to good to be true ;) i check it out, when i get the possibility. i was just thinking.. getting vr at home would be a terrible idea... we have two hyper active cats xD
Truly the two of the greatest games in gaming history.
Its funny how now the giant companies with infinte money just make 20 years old games but with unreal graphics. I wonder, how the advances in gamedev technlogy will turn out for indie devs in same 20 years.
Godot and Unreal are both improving in different directions but honestly I don't think small crews will be any less limited by their time needed to create than they are now.
People were always limited by time. Its just that now developers can reuse solutions created by people who already spent time on inventing them.
Standing on the shoulders of giants predates the video game industry by a lot.
I would like to think a lot. Just because some are going this route doesn't mean all of them are. I have played a lot of games with some new game mechanics that werent around and it will continue to happen.
This is a 16 year gap, not 20. And 20 years before San Andreas, Super Mario Bros. wasn't even out yet.
Im glad they appreciate the differences.
I can clearly see that one is superior to the other, but it doesnt feel like 16 years worth of upgrades. They dont look different enough to me.
Going from Mario Bros. to Unreal within a childhood was a bigger jump!
Yeah seriously. Playing Mario and duck hunt, then jumping up to mario 64 and goldeneye, and then half life 2 a few years later was absolutely wild.
Go back another 20 years and you'll find Manic Miner & Horace goes skiing...wait that's a little early... Donkey Kong Jr & Chopper Command were released in 1982. 80s to 90s probably had the biggest step up, no doubt due to the introduction of consoles.
Yeah theyre a bit before my time but I played a lot on my dad's hoard. I still remember how excited he was showing off how many colours you could have on screen on donkey Kong country.
Ah the days of 2D gaming in monochrome! Next stop, Checkered Flag on zx spectrum, such wild colours! what? You view from behind the car too?! Woaahh! Totally unplayable now haha!
https://zxspectrumgames.com/games/chequered-flag/ - so you can see the colour scheme!
Experiencing the original Donkey Kong lcd handheld as a child and TLOU as an adult is pretty amazing