Recommend show for a first timer? I'm thinking of starting with TNG. I always changed the channel when I was a kid but as an adult I am much more interested now that I understand the politics of the lore.
(Okay so technically I'm not completely new to the concept. I've seen The Orville. That, along with the 2009 film but I understand why people aren't a fan of that one so I suppose it doesn't count.)
Which is good, but Lower Decks is totally worth it. It feels more like trek than anything else produced since TNG,
Lower Decks has a hopeful optimism that never loses it's core message. The universe is a scary place, and the Federation has problems, but if we work together and support each other, we can make the world a better place. Cerritos Strong.
I understand what you're saying, but that's entirely a matter of opinion.
I like Trek overall. I grew up on TNG, but my father became obsessed with DS9 while it was airing. I was a little too young to fully appreciate it, but I'll never forget him rushing to turn it on every Thursday night. A decade or so later, I watched all of DS9 and then jumped straight into Voyager. Janeway became my favorite captain and Voyager, for all the flaws in its continuity given the pedigree of the writers, became my favorite series.
Objectively, DS9 is generally considered the best series between the writing, the acting, the casting, and the overall impact on the political landscape of the Trek universe while Voyager used equal parts deep lore and significant handwavium to wrap up their impossible task all while keeping their finger on the perpetual reset button.
Further, I see people complain about Picard (which I didn't finish) saying they besmirched the character and left the spirit of Trek behind. I saw a deeply personal tale about a man who became so accustomed to being a lynchpin of galactic affairs come to terms with his own mortality and fading relevance, turning to the rougher edges of life he learned the hard way to flirt less with.
But maybe I'm not a real fan either for not having watched anything last S2 Picard.
I didn't really like the Orville. Or rather, I wanted to like it, but found myself getting bored with it extremely fast. Every single episode is a new social commentary, without exception.
Obviously, Star Trek has a TONNE of social commentary, so that itself is not the problem. The problem I had, is that Star Trek also has sci-fi mysteries, silly episodes, philosophical questions, etc. I found Orville was just social commentary after social commentary without any of the additional flavours.
My all time favourite episode is Measure of a Man, which of course is a social commentary, but it's more of a philosophical question of what we consider sentients and "life" to be. Even with Zero, I think his name was? I didn't get those same vibes.
I did actually watch the first and second season, and just never really enjoyed it.
And fair, I wasn't trying to compare them directly, more pointing out that Star Trek has many episodes that have little to nothing to do with social commentary. And it seemed like that was the ONLY concept being explored in Orville, with sci-fi as a backdrop for funsies.
i tried lower decks more than once, and really wanted to like it, but just couldn't develop any giveashit about what happens next. does it get any better? or does it stay similar to the first few episodes?
There's a lot of character building with the shenanigans. I'd recommend trying to push farther, but if you're not feeling it, you're not feeling it. No shame in that.
thanks i'll give it another shot. i am weird in that i'll DNF something and then give it another try later on and end up loving it. mostly books and video games, but we'll see about shows
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Lower Decks is one of my favorite series, right up there with DS9. You can tell it was made with such love for Star Trek.
Even the live action episode in SNW works great with the voice actors.
For me young Homer = Star Trek Homer = Next Generation Grandpa Simpson = Lower Decks
What was with those rugs? My grandparents had one. Also, bravo to the animators.
Me with Star Trek academy. It's on par with star trek tng.
Recommend show for a first timer? I'm thinking of starting with TNG. I always changed the channel when I was a kid but as an adult I am much more interested now that I understand the politics of the lore.
(Okay so technically I'm not completely new to the concept. I've seen The Orville. That, along with the 2009 film but I understand why people aren't a fan of that one so I suppose it doesn't count.)
This is me but it's TNG both times
Which is good, but Lower Decks is totally worth it. It feels more like trek than anything else produced since TNG,
Lower Decks has a hopeful optimism that never loses it's core message. The universe is a scary place, and the Federation has problems, but if we work together and support each other, we can make the world a better place. Cerritos Strong.
If everything between tng and lower decks doesnt feel star treky, perhaps you dont really like star trek?
I understand what you're saying, but that's entirely a matter of opinion.
I like Trek overall. I grew up on TNG, but my father became obsessed with DS9 while it was airing. I was a little too young to fully appreciate it, but I'll never forget him rushing to turn it on every Thursday night. A decade or so later, I watched all of DS9 and then jumped straight into Voyager. Janeway became my favorite captain and Voyager, for all the flaws in its continuity given the pedigree of the writers, became my favorite series.
Objectively, DS9 is generally considered the best series between the writing, the acting, the casting, and the overall impact on the political landscape of the Trek universe while Voyager used equal parts deep lore and significant handwavium to wrap up their impossible task all while keeping their finger on the perpetual reset button.
Further, I see people complain about Picard (which I didn't finish) saying they besmirched the character and left the spirit of Trek behind. I saw a deeply personal tale about a man who became so accustomed to being a lynchpin of galactic affairs come to terms with his own mortality and fading relevance, turning to the rougher edges of life he learned the hard way to flirt less with.
But maybe I'm not a real fan either for not having watched anything last S2 Picard.
the Orville is the best TNG we got since TNG
how dare you besmirch the name of DS9 like that
How dare you think TNG is on the same level as DS9
DS9 is kinda it's own thing
DS9 was good, I should rewatch it, but it has a different vibe than TNG, The Orville is closer to TNG than DS9.
not a bad thing.
youre totally right i read best TNG since TNG but heard "best star trek since TNG" and those are absolutely different things/vibes.
no problem.
the steaks couldn't be lower unless Sam Rutherford and Tendy find a Jeffery tube under his bunk
mmmmh steak
I think calling DS9 TNG would be more besmirching.
youre right, i misinterpreted what op said.
I didn't really like the Orville. Or rather, I wanted to like it, but found myself getting bored with it extremely fast. Every single episode is a new social commentary, without exception.
Obviously, Star Trek has a TONNE of social commentary, so that itself is not the problem. The problem I had, is that Star Trek also has sci-fi mysteries, silly episodes, philosophical questions, etc. I found Orville was just social commentary after social commentary without any of the additional flavours.
My all time favourite episode is Measure of a Man, which of course is a social commentary, but it's more of a philosophical question of what we consider sentients and "life" to be. Even with Zero, I think his name was? I didn't get those same vibes.
Jump straight to the second season, the first episodes are too comical, later he gets a better balance of TNG and Seth's humour.
Also, it is unfair to compare measure of a man with anything. one of the best episodes in TV history.
Nah, jump straight to ep4
If the stars should appear, pria, krill goddamn that show grew a beard faster than Frakes.
I did actually watch the first and second season, and just never really enjoyed it.
And fair, I wasn't trying to compare them directly, more pointing out that Star Trek has many episodes that have little to nothing to do with social commentary. And it seemed like that was the ONLY concept being explored in Orville, with sci-fi as a backdrop for funsies.
That trumpet fanfare on the TNG theme was a banger, no doubt about it.
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https://bookshop.org/p/books/redshirts-a-novel-with-three-codas-john-scalzi/126138ee361054ad
Redshirts by John Scalzi.
A newly assigned officer on the Galaxy's greatest starship begins to suspect that there's something odd about the mission...
I just got this book! I have not read it yet but love some of his other books.
I read this a while back. It’s good, funny, and carries the spirit of a Lower Decks episode. Scalzi rocks
Oh sweet, a John Scalzi book I haven't read. Yet.
I didn’t pay attention to how the Lower Decks logo is inspired by the TNG logo.
i tried lower decks more than once, and really wanted to like it, but just couldn't develop any giveashit about what happens next. does it get any better? or does it stay similar to the first few episodes?
It gets less Rick and Morty-ish as time goes on.
I didn't like most of season 1 but it started to get better near the end, S2 onward was great.
Would if really be Star Trek if the first season wasn't weaker than the rest?
There's a lot of character building with the shenanigans. I'd recommend trying to push farther, but if you're not feeling it, you're not feeling it. No shame in that.
thanks i'll give it another shot. i am weird in that i'll DNF something and then give it another try later on and end up loving it. mostly books and video games, but we'll see about shows
They hit their stride and figure out what they’re doing on the Buffer Time episode.
LD S1E03 Temporal Edict
Show is fantastic and chock full of references for Star Trek fans. Also adds to a lot of plot lines and race backgrounds.
Nope. I bailed out too.