Oh make no mistake there's definitely still laws for us plebs, especially if we're not cishet white men. But they only exist to punish us and keep us in line. The rich were never subject to them.
Because working inside the system has been going so well for the past few decades. I don't advocate for violence or illegal direct action, of course, but this is clearly a response to the fact that our conditions have been worsening despite the majority being against so much of this surveillance state bullshit.
You never improve the conditions of your citizens, only worsen, and ignore any calls for what the people want and you get desperate folks who feel they have nothing to lose.
Remember how folks responded to Luigi Mangione. I have a feeling there will be more and more of that vibe until something truly changes.
We have to make Jury Nullification so common, that wrongly arrested people won't take plea bargains, because they stand a better chance with juries that have shown themselves willing to fuck up political prosecutions.
We need to start talking about Jury Nullification, and preparing potential jurors for the massive wave of prosecutions that is coming. We just saw a group of suburbanites sentenced to decades in jail for exercising their 1st Amendment rights, as ANTIFA Terrorists. We're going to see a lot more of that after the Midterms, when they can't get what they want from Congress, so they will have to pivot to controlling and punishing through the weaponization of law enforcement.
They've got all these profitable concentration camps filled with people who are bringing in a daily stipend from the government. Now that SCOTUS has given permission to deport them all, they MUST be replaced, and "ANTIFA Terrorists" are the perfect boogymen.
They tried to prosecute a guy for starting the big California fires, and 10 jurors said No, a pretty clear indication that the government didn't have a case, and counted on the jury to just go along with it. Unfortunately, two of them did go along, probably MAGA CHUDS, but ultimately it was a mistrial.
Many federal cases have been shot down at the Grand Jury level, something that was incredibly rare until MAGA came along, and arrogantly thought they'd force everybody else to play along with their atrocities.
MAGA is now using the system to attack normal Americans, not just other politicians that we generally hate anyway. It's hard to get upset when a Comey or Bolton get slapped around, they deserve it, but when they start throwing soccer moms in prison for decades, just because she had Leftist poetry in her car, it's time to start destroying the system.
Yes. And remember that some of these things also track your phone (I believe via Bluetooth and the like). So I would suggest leaving any valuables at home where they're safe!
Here's a fun fact about Bluetooth, with the BLE standard apps can communicate directly with devices, and essentially hide from the system of your phone.
I saw someone else that also said you should stick the cameras and related hardware into a faraday bag, so the battery and transmitter will run down over a week, and you can then scrap the hardware.
Faraday bag is a good thing to have for a lot of reasons it seems.
Philly may grease poles ahead of the Super Bowl. Eagles fans don't care
"Many cities brace for rowdy celebrations after a major sports win. But in Philadelphia, one safety precaution has turned into something of a rallying cry - or a dare: greasing the poles.
For the uninitiated, that means using paint rollers to apply biodegradable gear oil to lamp posts and other structures, in order to keep fans from scaling them."
More effective? No. Less likely to get caught? Yes.
If you leave the device in place and just laser the sensor, you’re leaving a device that can log passing device info that still works. It can’t record license plates, but it can see that a person walked/drove past.
On the other hand, if you blind it, then steal it while it’s properly faraday caged, you can let it sit and die for a couple days till it’s safe to dismantle.
You sure the loss of functionality and cost to repair wouldn't be devastating to the company? I don't think it's feasible to disassemble them en masse.
If the type of damage gets standardized like that, it makes it much easier to repair in the long run.
And even if they can’t, the devices still record info as long as they are running. They won’t be able to take images but all other functionality will work.
You'd have better luck with a paintball gun. You'd be well out of its visual range and you could just pepper the lens with paint. I mean it's not perfect but you're way less likely to get caught.
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Ethically correct but not convinced its a winning legal strategy.
Only thing he did wrong was getting caught.
That's why we need to normalize and promote Jury Nullification.
You know when they say "No jury will convict him?"
We need to make that real, and a really common, thing.
And then trumps pet supreme court overturns the right to a jury trial.
They'll do that eventually anyway. Might as well keep some heroes out of the concentration camps until then.
Oh yeah. I'm all in favor of doing jury nullification. I'm just being a pessimist.
It probably is but there's no more rule of law over there. Otherwise Trump would be in prison 10x over at minimum.
Oh make no mistake there's definitely still laws for us plebs, especially if we're not cishet white men. But they only exist to punish us and keep us in line. The rich were never subject to them.
Because working inside the system has been going so well for the past few decades. I don't advocate for violence or illegal direct action, of course, but this is clearly a response to the fact that our conditions have been worsening despite the majority being against so much of this surveillance state bullshit.
You never improve the conditions of your citizens, only worsen, and ignore any calls for what the people want and you get desperate folks who feel they have nothing to lose.
Remember how folks responded to Luigi Mangione. I have a feeling there will be more and more of that vibe until something truly changes.
Can I be on his jury?
We have to make Jury Nullification so common, that wrongly arrested people won't take plea bargains, because they stand a better chance with juries that have shown themselves willing to fuck up political prosecutions.
We need to start talking about Jury Nullification, and preparing potential jurors for the massive wave of prosecutions that is coming. We just saw a group of suburbanites sentenced to decades in jail for exercising their 1st Amendment rights, as ANTIFA Terrorists. We're going to see a lot more of that after the Midterms, when they can't get what they want from Congress, so they will have to pivot to controlling and punishing through the weaponization of law enforcement.
They've got all these profitable concentration camps filled with people who are bringing in a daily stipend from the government. Now that SCOTUS has given permission to deport them all, they MUST be replaced, and "ANTIFA Terrorists" are the perfect boogymen.
They tried to prosecute a guy for starting the big California fires, and 10 jurors said No, a pretty clear indication that the government didn't have a case, and counted on the jury to just go along with it. Unfortunately, two of them did go along, probably MAGA CHUDS, but ultimately it was a mistrial.
Many federal cases have been shot down at the Grand Jury level, something that was incredibly rare until MAGA came along, and arrogantly thought they'd force everybody else to play along with their atrocities.
MAGA is now using the system to attack normal Americans, not just other politicians that we generally hate anyway. It's hard to get upset when a Comey or Bolton get slapped around, they deserve it, but when they start throwing soccer moms in prison for decades, just because she had Leftist poetry in her car, it's time to start destroying the system.
Not all Luigi’s use guns
How much does it cost to hire a cult leader?
If you have to ask you can’t afford it
No gloves?
I think he was caught on camera ironically.
I'm now realizing this comment was probably self-evident lol
She's absolutely correct. Flock os a complete violation of out 4th amendment rights.
Holy shit is it the same guy who was posting about the flock cameras here?
If it helps; batteries are batteries and solar panels are solar panels.
Hope he was smart enough not to get caught on returned hardware
I was thinking that too....
I wonder if they got these pictures from "license plate readers"?
Hey friends, stay safe when doing this kind of activity <3
Yes. And remember that some of these things also track your phone (I believe via Bluetooth and the like). So I would suggest leaving any valuables at home where they're safe!
Here's a fun fact about Bluetooth, with the BLE standard apps can communicate directly with devices, and essentially hide from the system of your phone.
turn off bluetooth and put your devices in airplane mode when doing so
get grapehene or /e/os
and wear heavy duty work gloves, a hair cap, and a large hoodie and mask to cover your frame and structure
I wouldn't trust airplane mode to not transmit any data, so I leave all devices at home when protesting, etc.
I would also recommend putting a rock in your shoe, to throw off your normal walking gait. They can identify people by how they walk as well.
Tbh the walking gait thing seems to be pseudo science. But that doesnt stop cops from abusing it till there is an actual scientific consensus
faraday bag then?
and if you can, faraday bag a flock camera if you can, and dismantle it at home
its just an android device that enables adb if you press the button at the back enough times
I saw someone else that also said you should stick the cameras and related hardware into a faraday bag, so the battery and transmitter will run down over a week, and you can then scrap the hardware.
Faraday bag is a good thing to have for a lot of reasons it seems.
you can spray paint the lens, open it up outside your house and take the battery and antennas out
then you can use your own powersupply to power it and boom you have a free phone
You gotta keep your phone on and leave it at home that way it will look less suspicious
Is there a go fund me?
https://www.gofundme.com/f/jeff-sovern-legal-fund
Not a crime, why would they need gloves?
The grease sucks
As in the poles are greased? Is that a thing?
https://www.npr.org/2023/02/10/1155664859/philly-greasing-poles-super-bowl-eagles-fans
Philly may grease poles ahead of the Super Bowl. Eagles fans don't care
"Many cities brace for rowdy celebrations after a major sports win. But in Philadelphia, one safety precaution has turned into something of a rallying cry - or a dare: greasing the poles.
For the uninitiated, that means using paint rollers to apply biodegradable gear oil to lamp posts and other structures, in order to keep fans from scaling them."
No one ever employ this user in medicine or food service.
You've never worn gloves for anything but crimes? How do you clean? Fuck off with your 'nothing to hide' bullshit. What's the best boot seasoning?
There's Crime, and there's "crime." This is "crime."
You still don't want to leave fingerprints. No sense in giving them MORE evidence.
pretty sure this counts as destruction of "public" property
What a gigachad
Wouldn't it be much more effective to develop a laser deactivation protocol than physically taking them?
More effective? No. Less likely to get caught? Yes.
If you leave the device in place and just laser the sensor, you’re leaving a device that can log passing device info that still works. It can’t record license plates, but it can see that a person walked/drove past.
On the other hand, if you blind it, then steal it while it’s properly faraday caged, you can let it sit and die for a couple days till it’s safe to dismantle.
You sure the loss of functionality and cost to repair wouldn't be devastating to the company? I don't think it's feasible to disassemble them en masse.
If the type of damage gets standardized like that, it makes it much easier to repair in the long run.
And even if they can’t, the devices still record info as long as they are running. They won’t be able to take images but all other functionality will work.
You'd have better luck with a paintball gun. You'd be well out of its visual range and you could just pepper the lens with paint. I mean it's not perfect but you're way less likely to get caught.