The report is basically going to say everything is fine. Stuff is old, but if you're not plugging it into the Internet it doesn't matter. This directly contradicts the Republican's on stolen elections, so they're squashing the report.
Look up the voting machine exhibit at Defcon all those years ago. These kids were taking total control of them within hours including faking a near split vote that barely swung towards whatever candidate they wanted.
These kids were taking total control of them within hours
That's impressive broadly speaking, but not terribly useful unless you have unfettered access to the machines for that length of time.
Security measures on the machines aren't supposed to just be in the hardware/software. They're also supposed to be locked up and tagged, so that any physical tampering is noted when they are used again.
If you've got teenagers who have breached that first level of security, it's much bigger news that what they managed after hours of manipulating a device in the open.
LOL I was replying to you literally saying the hacking demo at Defcon, where they had the physical machines right there in the room, was "not terribly useful unless you have unfettered access to the machines." I'm saying that wouldn't have mattered in November because they were networked.
Can confirm. I was there and while I did basically nothing helped one of those 'kids' by holding up the top for them. Funnily nearly all of the issues would be fixed by NOT PUTTING USB PORTS ACCESSABLE TO THE PUBLIC ON THEM. One still needs a firmware dump to know what hacks to use but its actually a easily fixable problem for the basic attacks.
Most of the boxes at defcon didn't have protection for that. Then again if memory serves there was only 1 US election box and it was a no longer used model.
Ahhhh.. The great idea to delegate voting to machines built by private shit corpos. From where I come, we vote on a paper. And boy, it works fucking great.
In Australia we get the 'general' result, i.e. which party won and winners of most seats, on the night of the election, with a few seats needing a week or two to fully count and recount. Sure it might take a few hours but the AEC have things pretty streamlined.
Lots of people in the US vote on paper too (maybe counted by a scantron like machine).
It's a country with like 350 million people on a land mass that's about the same size as China. Each state controls its elections, and they all do it slightly differently.
But yeah I agree with the private corporations part. That's fucking dumb.
They haven't. The procedures in place only work if the folks in charge are honorable and the voters are trustworthy.
What we have, in the modern day, is a deep skepticism of elections outside of the NATO block and a naive presumption of infallibility inside the block (among liberals, mostly assuming their guys win).
In the US, in particular, even liberals are increasingly distrustful of the physical apparatus of vote collection and tabulation. It's been a long time coming (2000 and 2004 being very nakedly and obviously stolen races). But trustworthiness has taken a real nosedive since 2024.
A recent survey conducted by the Center for Transparent and Trusted Elections at UC San Diego found that only 60% of respondents were confident votes in the midterm elections will be counted accurately.
Motherfuckers can’t even get the concept of national ID cards right.
There's a sharp dispute over the purpose of such a card. Do you want cards to rapidly integrate people into your society? Or do you want them to strictly exclude and segregate people into immuntable castes?
Hard to create a single universal document if you can't agree on that premise.
Don't though. Voter fraud is easily caught. That's why Trump can never find any. It's possible Elon fucked the voting machines, but voting illegally as a non trillionaire is a terrible idea.
NOT releasing it is undermining voter confidence.
That's the point.
The report is basically going to say everything is fine. Stuff is old, but if you're not plugging it into the Internet it doesn't matter. This directly contradicts the Republican's on stolen elections, so they're squashing the report.
My confidence couldnt get any more undermindered'd then it is already.
Because we don’t have elections anymore. Thank you Republicans for raping the last little bit of liberty and hope to death.
They won completely, and it was not enough to kill us all, but they had to make sure to take everything sacred and worthwhile from us before doing it.
I hope not a single trace of humans is left, and that something far better replaces us.
"Game was rigged from the start."
Look up the voting machine exhibit at Defcon all those years ago. These kids were taking total control of them within hours including faking a near split vote that barely swung towards whatever candidate they wanted.
That's impressive broadly speaking, but not terribly useful unless you have unfettered access to the machines for that length of time.
Security measures on the machines aren't supposed to just be in the hardware/software. They're also supposed to be locked up and tagged, so that any physical tampering is noted when they are used again.
If you've got teenagers who have breached that first level of security, it's much bigger news that what they managed after hours of manipulating a device in the open.
Like the bomb threats in all the polling places on election Day in all the swing states?
Definitely a good example. Also, the prosecutions against black voters in Houston districts unleashed by Ken Paxton in 2020 and 2022.
The machines in November had network access.
Why would they need network access? Just have it record the numbers onto a portable drive then upload the results somewhere else that has access.
Is it too much work for poll people to transfer a usb stick to a laptop at the end of the day?
LOL I was replying to you literally saying the hacking demo at Defcon, where they had the physical machines right there in the room, was "not terribly useful unless you have unfettered access to the machines." I'm saying that wouldn't have mattered in November because they were networked.
Can confirm. I was there and while I did basically nothing helped one of those 'kids' by holding up the top for them. Funnily nearly all of the issues would be fixed by NOT PUTTING USB PORTS ACCESSABLE TO THE PUBLIC ON THEM. One still needs a firmware dump to know what hacks to use but its actually a easily fixable problem for the basic attacks.
They're not normally accessible to the public. Machines are kept under lock and key by election officials.
Most of the boxes at defcon didn't have protection for that. Then again if memory serves there was only 1 US election box and it was a no longer used model.
Ahhhh.. The great idea to delegate voting to machines built by private shit corpos. From where I come, we vote on a paper. And boy, it works fucking great.
A troubling number of which are owned by Trump's close buddies.
Like Dominion Voting Systems being bought by a former republican election official https://coloradosun.com/2025/10/09/dominion-voting-systems-sold/
Californian here, we've always voted with paper in the 5-6 different cities I've lived in here.
It does work great.
It doesn't produce results instantly, which means the President can scream "election fraud!" when results come in over time and numbers change.
This is the age old critique of digital security. Social engineering will do more harm than any technical safety features can prevent.
In Australia we get the 'general' result, i.e. which party won and winners of most seats, on the night of the election, with a few seats needing a week or two to fully count and recount. Sure it might take a few hours but the AEC have things pretty streamlined.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/election-fraud-conspiracy-theorists-falsely-claim-the-australian-election-was-stolen/
Does not seem to have deterred the usual crowd. And with the state of Australian media, this is increasingly becoming the popular belief.
I don't think it's better to instead give them a way to speedrun fraud.
People can scream fraud, who cares. Just mean you're a sore loser.
Lots of people in the US vote on paper too (maybe counted by a scantron like machine).
It's a country with like 350 million people on a land mass that's about the same size as China. Each state controls its elections, and they all do it slightly differently.
But yeah I agree with the private corporations part. That's fucking dumb.
Only the blue and red states allow the use of electronic voting machines. Our dumbest state uses them exclusively.
All others use paper.
For the uninitiated, what do the acronyms mean?
here's what looks like the source page with acronyms defined: https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_equipment_by_state
The third least educated state (Louisiana), so perhaps not the literal dumbest.
Americans: failing to solve problems nobody has since 1776
Solving the problem of secure and trustworthy voting is a problem as old as democracy itself
Most of the first world had that figured out a long time ago.
They haven't. The procedures in place only work if the folks in charge are honorable and the voters are trustworthy.
What we have, in the modern day, is a deep skepticism of elections outside of the NATO block and a naive presumption of infallibility inside the block (among liberals, mostly assuming their guys win).
In the US, in particular, even liberals are increasingly distrustful of the physical apparatus of vote collection and tabulation. It's been a long time coming (2000 and 2004 being very nakedly and obviously stolen races). But trustworthiness has taken a real nosedive since 2024.
You need to stop looking at americans as some sort of normal people whose problems apply to everyone else.
Motherfuckers can't even get the concept of national ID cards right.
No, I'm in Europe, but we have those issues too sometimes.
There's a sharp dispute over the purpose of such a card. Do you want cards to rapidly integrate people into your society? Or do you want them to strictly exclude and segregate people into immuntable castes?
Hard to create a single universal document if you can't agree on that premise.
It's just a national proof of citizenship it's not that deep.
I swear yall americans way too fucking dumb to be your own country
After spending over a decade undermining the confidence of US voters
Time travel is impossible
You're doin it right now dude.
We've got the Vulcan Science Directorate on Lemmy?
Fuck their propaganda, Vote twice if you can get away with it. Fuck em.
Don't though. Voter fraud is easily caught. That's why Trump can never find any. It's possible Elon fucked the voting machines, but voting illegally as a non trillionaire is a terrible idea.
We may need to switch to ballots made of bricks and glass bottles.
Oh hey, so there are are Republicans on Lemmy!