Fun fact, Hezbollah was designated a terrorist organization for this exact reason. Killing terrorist invaders killing innocent people on your land makes you a terrorist.
Terrorist is a politicized, meaningless term, and always has been. Its only use is propaganda. The fact that the word snuck into legislation is incredibly frightening. In the UK, you cannot support a terrorist group. What defines a terrorist group? Whatever the fuck the home security office wants.
Reminder that terrorist started being used as a replacement for “freedom fighter”, when public opinion on the Mujahideen, APLA, IRA etc. started to change and flip.
when public opinion on the Mujahideen, APLA, IRA etc. started to change and flip
Seems like a reversal of cause and effect. I think the usage of the term "terrorist" for these groups was a deliberate choice of the consent factory to flip public opinion.
That’s what I mean, they started calling them terrorists because people started seeing “freedom fighter” as a positive thing. “Freedom fighters” were scary anarchists that blew things up in Europe in the 1800s.
i think we are, but the archaic system in place allows the cavemen the same chances as everyone else to compete and thus you have those like Trump getting elected.
I don't think it's just a systemic problem, but I'm curious what methods you would use to prevent the Trumps of the future from getting power.
As far as I'm concerned he's just a useful idiot that serves as a major distraction from those actually pulling the strings behind the curtain. Those are the people that need to be curtailed from having such power.
I say that because his backers are extremely aggressive, manipulative sociopathic bullies who will always find ways to twist things to their advantage. Whatever system you come up with will inevitably have some cracks that they will eventually figure out how to exploit.
Your system would need to prevent such sociopaths from ever developing while somehow still allowing the freedoms most Americans want.
Until capitalism is lynched with prejudice those with money and power will tear down any safeguards put in place to stop them. Rid the word of capitalism and maybe we have a chance.
Direct democracy and the head of state and law makers having no real power beyond implementing what was voted on would be fine. It won't be perfect and it will be gamed but surely it's better than what we have now.
The Yiddish Jews were actually demonized by Zionists, who thought Hebrew was a superior language and saw Ostjuden (eastern european Jews who spoke Yiddish) as subhumans, which is why Zionism marginalized Yiddish (a large percentage of Yiddish Jews were actually anti-Zionist. Look up Bundism) and ultimately Hebrew became the majority
They are represented exactly the same amount in hell as every other languages speakers. Zero
Hebrew speakers currently are overrepresented in the genocidal fascists group in the real world and that is the only reality we need to worry about not the various fictions of the world.
Yumpin yiminy! According to my faith (and your former faith, if I understand correctly), the Kingdom of Heaven is within, which implies the Kingdom of Sheol is within.
What does Islam say?
By the by, the Christian book, if truly based on the Tanaka, should take into account pardes.
Place of eternal (in theory/by default, but everything is up to God, ofc) suffering earned by being a major, habitual line stepper with no remorse. It's a fire fueled by men and stones and it involves grinding, pressure, unmet physiological needs, etc, very hot and dense and certainly uncomfortable. Regardless of the nature of "the bad place", one would be better not earning a spot there, if anything because if the merciful, wise Creator thinks you were bad enough to deserve it then you were, objectively so, and that's a very hard/impossible pill to swallow!
Now, just as a little thought experiment: would you rather endure Hell, at least for a while, knowing it's just an extra test or something like it (you didn't do anything wrong, maybe you're just strong enough to handle it amongst many) but God already approved of you or be in Heaven knowing you did not earn it, with everyone and God side-eyeing you and hating you and for valid reasons, because you're just an objectively awful person? 🤔 (Global "you", of course, you seem lovely, hehe)
Hello, my friend. Thanks so much for your reply. Well, what if it's not a literal place but allegorical?
If you'd asked me this before I went on my wandering search, I'd obviously chosen Paradise without merit. As it is I have studied many faiths and noticed common threads.
Then what have I learned, to have reward without merit? Immense heat and pressure are the conditions that purify. Gasses condense and vomit forth universes, carbon births diamonds, ore becomes steel, precious metals can be wrought. And extremely personality disordered individuals
Reward without merit can give us at best, extremely self-entitled people who "fail up," and extremely personality individuals.
So maybe like steel being purified and forged, then cooled or gems being formed, cut, tumbled, there are precise amounts of pressure and heat.
I get the point, nonetheless. I really need to study the surahs in depth, but I clearly don't know Aramaic. Can you point me toward some online English translations of the Quran, so I can study more? I'll leave Rumi aside, for the moment.
It's always a pleasure to find you here! Personally, I think it's as real as this world is, but what do I know, lol. And I'm certain that God will adjust for mental disorders, after all there's an "us" underneath the mental deformation resulting from trauma, the "us" that regrets our negative actions stemming from these issues in our moments of clarity (or not, hence Hell).
I'm very excited to hear you're interested in the Qur'an, for whatever reasons, and thankfully I think the Qur'an is very straightforward, not much to really "study" there, it's not a somewhat philosophically dense read a la Ecclesiastes, for instance. I like "Quran: A Monotheist Translation", since it's not influenced by Hadith literature (most of the morally questionable "Muslim" beliefs derive from it, not the Qur'an) and it's unburned of sectarian doctrines, it's quite literal (slightly more open for interpretation, which can pose its own problems, but at least it's not a mistranslation) and says God instead of Allah (I feel like it takes any Western/English-speaking person "out of it", it creates distance when reading an English translation). And Rumi is wonderful, a great poet inspired by his love of God and his gratefulness for life.
Imo, metaphor, allusion, allegory, etc. are figurative speech that do describe something very real, but not always comprehensible with our physical senses. For example, I can't see air, but I breathe it. I can't literally touch love, but I can feel it! Are these things not real?
Thanks also for the share. On the chance the app has intrusive permissions, is there a web version?
Salam my sibling, to you and yours! Blessings of every sort.
Those things are real. And our world (in my understanding) is like the Matrix to God, who's to say we couldn't inhabit a Hell as real as this world, right? Regardless, though, it's a circumstance we'd rather avoid, lol. We are/can be better than that!
Fun fact, Hezbollah was designated a terrorist organization for this exact reason. Killing terrorist invaders killing innocent people on your land makes you a terrorist.
Terrorist is a politicized, meaningless term, and always has been. Its only use is propaganda. The fact that the word snuck into legislation is incredibly frightening. In the UK, you cannot support a terrorist group. What defines a terrorist group? Whatever the fuck the home security office wants.
Reminder that terrorist started being used as a replacement for “freedom fighter”, when public opinion on the Mujahideen, APLA, IRA etc. started to change and flip.
Seems like a reversal of cause and effect. I think the usage of the term "terrorist" for these groups was a deliberate choice of the consent factory to flip public opinion.
That’s what I mean, they started calling them terrorists because people started seeing “freedom fighter” as a positive thing. “Freedom fighters” were scary anarchists that blew things up in Europe in the 1800s.
Protesting genocide, apparently.
You're not going insane, but much of the world has already gone well past it.
No, the world has just gone back to its natural order: Might makes right
Sucks we can't ever do anything else and must always yield to our betters.
Oh well. Nothing to be done.
Yeah - unfortunately, we're not nearly as evolved away from our animalistic ancestors as many like to think.
i think we are, but the archaic system in place allows the cavemen the same chances as everyone else to compete and thus you have those like Trump getting elected.
I don't think it's just a systemic problem, but I'm curious what methods you would use to prevent the Trumps of the future from getting power.
As far as I'm concerned he's just a useful idiot that serves as a major distraction from those actually pulling the strings behind the curtain. Those are the people that need to be curtailed from having such power.
how is it not a systemic problem if it allows people who does not belong in power to exploit the system and gain power?
like, these fuckers has, since the days of reagan, kept adding holes in the system so they can cheat to win.
patch those holes and they got no chance. start with the EC. then broadcasting. then legal bribery. and we're off to a good start.
I say that because his backers are extremely aggressive, manipulative sociopathic bullies who will always find ways to twist things to their advantage. Whatever system you come up with will inevitably have some cracks that they will eventually figure out how to exploit.
Your system would need to prevent such sociopaths from ever developing while somehow still allowing the freedoms most Americans want.
Until capitalism is lynched with prejudice those with money and power will tear down any safeguards put in place to stop them. Rid the word of capitalism and maybe we have a chance.
Direct democracy and the head of state and law makers having no real power beyond implementing what was voted on would be fine. It won't be perfect and it will be gamed but surely it's better than what we have now.
It's called Greater Israel now
Yes, Trump of all people sees how fucked up this is, because it is tanking his ratings.
Fear mongering is a psyop. I'm not talking about legitimate fears of ongoing genocide, either.
I heard Yiddish speakers are overrepresented in Hell.
The Yiddish Jews were actually demonized by Zionists, who thought Hebrew was a superior language and saw Ostjuden (eastern european Jews who spoke Yiddish) as subhumans, which is why Zionism marginalized Yiddish (a large percentage of Yiddish Jews were actually anti-Zionist. Look up Bundism) and ultimately Hebrew became the majority
This is a great article on the topic. https://clarion.unity-struggle-unity.org/2023-10-18-to-stop-marx-they-made-zion/
Tl;dr same comment as yours, but replace Yiddish with Hebrew.
Thank you for the correction! I actually read a bit about it later on but it was too late to be changing my comment, lol. 🫶
Np! I didn't assume malice from you if it matters, just wanted to set it straight. :- )
it's never too late to "edit:"
Eh, sometimes I'd rather let my ignorance stay and collect the (mostly) deserved downvotes, but you're right.
Yeah I do that. It's also a reminder of how I learn and grow, when I feel disproportionally disappointed in myself.
Yiddish, the official language of no country involved in this conflict.
Surely it would be English speakers if anything.
They are represented exactly the same amount in hell as every other languages speakers. Zero
Hebrew speakers currently are overrepresented in the genocidal fascists group in the real world and that is the only reality we need to worry about not the various fictions of the world.
Yumpin yiminy! According to my faith (and your former faith, if I understand correctly), the Kingdom of Heaven is within, which implies the Kingdom of Sheol is within.
What does Islam say?
By the by, the Christian book, if truly based on the Tanaka, should take into account pardes.
Hi Maeve. 👋
Place of eternal (in theory/by default, but everything is up to God, ofc) suffering earned by being a major, habitual line stepper with no remorse. It's a fire fueled by men and stones and it involves grinding, pressure, unmet physiological needs, etc, very hot and dense and certainly uncomfortable. Regardless of the nature of "the bad place", one would be better not earning a spot there, if anything because if the merciful, wise Creator thinks you were bad enough to deserve it then you were, objectively so, and that's a very hard/impossible pill to swallow!
Now, just as a little thought experiment: would you rather endure Hell, at least for a while, knowing it's just an extra test or something like it (you didn't do anything wrong, maybe you're just strong enough to handle it amongst many) but God already approved of you or be in Heaven knowing you did not earn it, with everyone and God side-eyeing you and hating you and for valid reasons, because you're just an objectively awful person? 🤔 (Global "you", of course, you seem lovely, hehe)
Hello, my friend. Thanks so much for your reply. Well, what if it's not a literal place but allegorical?
If you'd asked me this before I went on my wandering search, I'd obviously chosen Paradise without merit. As it is I have studied many faiths and noticed common threads.
Then what have I learned, to have reward without merit? Immense heat and pressure are the conditions that purify. Gasses condense and vomit forth universes, carbon births diamonds, ore becomes steel, precious metals can be wrought. And extremely personality disordered individuals
Reward without merit can give us at best, extremely self-entitled people who "fail up," and extremely personality individuals.
So maybe like steel being purified and forged, then cooled or gems being formed, cut, tumbled, there are precise amounts of pressure and heat.
I get the point, nonetheless. I really need to study the surahs in depth, but I clearly don't know Aramaic. Can you point me toward some online English translations of the Quran, so I can study more? I'll leave Rumi aside, for the moment.
It's always a pleasure to find you here! Personally, I think it's as real as this world is, but what do I know, lol. And I'm certain that God will adjust for mental disorders, after all there's an "us" underneath the mental deformation resulting from trauma, the "us" that regrets our negative actions stemming from these issues in our moments of clarity (or not, hence Hell).
I'm very excited to hear you're interested in the Qur'an, for whatever reasons, and thankfully I think the Qur'an is very straightforward, not much to really "study" there, it's not a somewhat philosophically dense read a la Ecclesiastes, for instance. I like "Quran: A Monotheist Translation", since it's not influenced by Hadith literature (most of the morally questionable "Muslim" beliefs derive from it, not the Qur'an) and it's unburned of sectarian doctrines, it's quite literal (slightly more open for interpretation, which can pose its own problems, but at least it's not a mistranslation) and says God instead of Allah (I feel like it takes any Western/English-speaking person "out of it", it creates distance when reading an English translation). And Rumi is wonderful, a great poet inspired by his love of God and his gratefulness for life.
The English Qur'an translation as an app for Android (there should be one for iOS too): https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.freeminds.quranapp
😀🫶👋
Thank you. I find your company pleasing, as well.
Imo, metaphor, allusion, allegory, etc. are figurative speech that do describe something very real, but not always comprehensible with our physical senses. For example, I can't see air, but I breathe it. I can't literally touch love, but I can feel it! Are these things not real?
Thanks also for the share. On the chance the app has intrusive permissions, is there a web version?
Salam my sibling, to you and yours! Blessings of every sort.
Those things are real. And our world (in my understanding) is like the Matrix to God, who's to say we couldn't inhabit a Hell as real as this world, right? Regardless, though, it's a circumstance we'd rather avoid, lol. We are/can be better than that!
And yes, I found an Internet archive link to it: https://archive.org/details/the-great-quran/page/n28/mode/1up 👋
Hmm. We seem to have different views and how can I answer without studying the material, in depth?
Thank you for the link. I've got homework to do, so I'd best get to it. I'm sure I'll be asking plenty of questions.
You spelled parades wrong
nah they can have heaven. hell is where the cool kids go.
Only the naturally cool kids could tolerate such heat, I've heard it's worse than summer in Seville. 😉
They never buy my ice cream and it's really hurting my business. BUY MY ICE CREAM