If a service claims GrapheneOS users are reportable for "past security concerns," it suggests their verification logic relies on static device attributes or behavioral baselines that this OS explicitly removes. This highlights a fundamental incompatibility where privacy-hardened environments cannot meet the opaque, risk-based demands of many age-verification schemes without sacrificing their core security guarantees.
This sent me down a rabbit hole for a moment because I'd never heard of Yoti (fucking dystopian shit). A Reddit post caught my eye because it had to do with PlayStation. It's in the r/privacy sub & turns out it had been removed by a mod for breaking their rules regarding any mention of alternative OSes.
Say what?!?
Alternative OSes are a major option for privacy. Ho my gawd, Reddit has truly turned into completely useless bullshit. Un. Fucking. Real.
Hey, I used Reddit for years, I guess as anyone else here, and even with that Appolo client, it was so much worse than what I have now with Mlem client. (Speaking of iPhones right now.) And the quality of the conversation is so much better in here, even despite (or thanks to, who knows) not many people in here, really.
I think Reddit is better only for when you need a lot of people in the comments for some reason. But now I think you don’t need that for most of the cases. All you need is just some people to hang around, otherwise there’s tumbleweed and it’s not as useful too. But the number of people we all need, it’s not that big, actually!
Seems like it’s mostly bots anyway. Hard to tell anymore what’s real comments and what is bot shill.
Sadly, that’s a lot of the internet these days. The dead internet is becoming a reality.
Just doing a search for reviews brings up so many AI written blogspam. Even the “trusted” sites from back in the day are scammy and advertising prices for whatever they review.
It is indeed, but if we’d think about it longer … we couldn’t trust any review to be genuine in the past too.
It wasn’t that bad though, that’s for sure. I do remember me buying some tech solely on the basis of having positive reviews. These days, I’d rather buy what’s cheaply (or for the sane price, depending on what I’m looking for) available online locally, and tweak from there.
These days, not that genuine reviews are completely gone. They’re funnelled to some dark web channels (Instagram / Facebook et al), or live in private chats (e.g. me recommending something to friends). Personally, I’m trying to support others to start their own websites. For whatever hobbies they have. Unfortunately, not many are interested though. However, I believe that’s a matter of time before they realise that the social media platforms are optimised for engagement for the engagement’s sake. Which isn’t what I’m looking for. I’m totally ok with my blog being read by tens, not hundreds or thousands. Especially when these people are engaged in a mindful discussion, not just sending me millions of useless likes to pump my dopamine for no real reason.
I believe we’d see the reborn internet (if it’s dead now) at some point.
This really sucks, and I’m worried for you guys using graphene that you’re going to be boxed out of absolutely everything and find yourselves on “terrorist” lists…which is sooo fuckn stupid, but that’s the time were unfortunately living in.
Without giving too much info, I had to use it as part of a legal process a while ago, it's what the solicitors use to verify ID so I didn't really have a choice but to use it. But my thinking about using things like GrapheneOS etc. isn't necessarily to be 100% anonymous online, it's more to just minimize the amount of info they can get out of me.
I think people aren't reading too well into this. I think this is a massive failure on Yoti's side that will just discredit their trustworthiness and reliability. What's the "authorities" (police I guess?) gonna do when they start receiving a bunch of random citizens reported that have NOTHING to be reported for?
Eventually they'll have to learn to just ignore Yoti's reports...or at least take them rather...not seriously, to begin with.
The unfortunate reality of the situation is that security and privacy are always going to be at odds. If it's possible to do anonymous things in good faith, then it's also going to be possible to do them in bad faith.
Though personally, I think all reports should be treated with some level of suspicion and in scenarios that would involve a swat team, annonymous reports should make deploying a swat team require more checking of the situation before any doors are busted down.
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Age-verification partner Yoti is reporting GrapheneOS users to authorities for using GrapheneOS, due to "past security concerns." | Spyke
If a service claims GrapheneOS users are reportable for "past security concerns," it suggests their verification logic relies on static device attributes or behavioral baselines that this OS explicitly removes. This highlights a fundamental incompatibility where privacy-hardened environments cannot meet the opaque, risk-based demands of many age-verification schemes without sacrificing their core security guarantees.
This sent me down a rabbit hole for a moment because I'd never heard of Yoti (fucking dystopian shit). A Reddit post caught my eye because it had to do with PlayStation. It's in the r/privacy sub & turns out it had been removed by a mod for breaking their rules regarding any mention of alternative OSes.
Say what?!?
Alternative OSes are a major option for privacy. Ho my gawd, Reddit has truly turned into completely useless bullshit. Un. Fucking. Real.
Oh god it's such a useless pile of shit over there
Theres almost nothing of value left anymore
Hey, I used Reddit for years, I guess as anyone else here, and even with that Appolo client, it was so much worse than what I have now with Mlem client. (Speaking of iPhones right now.) And the quality of the conversation is so much better in here, even despite (or thanks to, who knows) not many people in here, really.
I think Reddit is better only for when you need a lot of people in the comments for some reason. But now I think you don’t need that for most of the cases. All you need is just some people to hang around, otherwise there’s tumbleweed and it’s not as useful too. But the number of people we all need, it’s not that big, actually!
I mean, fuck Reddit.
Seems like it’s mostly bots anyway. Hard to tell anymore what’s real comments and what is bot shill.
Sadly, that’s a lot of the internet these days. The dead internet is becoming a reality.
Just doing a search for reviews brings up so many AI written blogspam. Even the “trusted” sites from back in the day are scammy and advertising prices for whatever they review.
It is indeed, but if we’d think about it longer … we couldn’t trust any review to be genuine in the past too.
It wasn’t that bad though, that’s for sure. I do remember me buying some tech solely on the basis of having positive reviews. These days, I’d rather buy what’s cheaply (or for the sane price, depending on what I’m looking for) available online locally, and tweak from there.
I found a nice essay on the topic recently, the boring internet.
These days, not that genuine reviews are completely gone. They’re funnelled to some dark web channels (Instagram / Facebook et al), or live in private chats (e.g. me recommending something to friends). Personally, I’m trying to support others to start their own websites. For whatever hobbies they have. Unfortunately, not many are interested though. However, I believe that’s a matter of time before they realise that the social media platforms are optimised for engagement for the engagement’s sake. Which isn’t what I’m looking for. I’m totally ok with my blog being read by tens, not hundreds or thousands. Especially when these people are engaged in a mindful discussion, not just sending me millions of useless likes to pump my dopamine for no real reason.
I believe we’d see the reborn internet (if it’s dead now) at some point.
The security of your phone is a concern to surveillance fanatics.
Yoti? The privacy violating Yoti? The law breaching Yoti?
https://ppc.land/spain-fines-yoti-eu950-000-over-biometric-data-and-consent-failures/
So age verification was never about children, was it?
Of course not. It is the Epstein class who wants it. It is all about surveillance and being able to steal your data.
Wtf is an authority?
The state police and the cyber police, I reckon
Yah. "The Authorities" sounds like they don't know who to report people to, so they substitute with non-specific bullshit to worry people.
This really sucks, and I’m worried for you guys using graphene that you’re going to be boxed out of absolutely everything and find yourselves on “terrorist” lists…which is sooo fuckn stupid, but that’s the time were unfortunately living in.
I'm ok with the outcome. If you call me a duck enough times, I'll start quacking.
Graphene is going to be outlawed soon. Wouldnt doubt if Linux won't be next in some places.
Good, they will push us all together. Everything is going according to plan.
Thats a pretty substantial claim. Outlawed where?
anywhere were a substantial enough number of people start adopting it; if i had a farm, i'd bet on it.
Who would go through all the trouble to install GOS, to take back their privacy.. just to give it all up with an app like yoti?
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. We should be encouraging people to switch even if the level of privacy they want doesn't match our own.
Without giving too much info, I had to use it as part of a legal process a while ago, it's what the solicitors use to verify ID so I didn't really have a choice but to use it. But my thinking about using things like GrapheneOS etc. isn't necessarily to be 100% anonymous online, it's more to just minimize the amount of info they can get out of me.
I think people aren't reading too well into this. I think this is a massive failure on Yoti's side that will just discredit their trustworthiness and reliability. What's the "authorities" (police I guess?) gonna do when they start receiving a bunch of random citizens reported that have NOTHING to be reported for?
Eventually they'll have to learn to just ignore Yoti's reports...or at least take them rather...not seriously, to begin with.
douchebag "support"
Yoti is now claiming that this user is lying: https://xcancel.com/getyoti/status/2063946615073751299#m
does it happen with other roms as well?
I was in a presentation for government officials on swatting and they listed using Google voice or proton mail as red flags worth suspecting.
It's too bad we live in a timeline where you are only expected to object to privacy theft if you are a criminal.
The unfortunate reality of the situation is that security and privacy are always going to be at odds. If it's possible to do anonymous things in good faith, then it's also going to be possible to do them in bad faith.
Though personally, I think all reports should be treated with some level of suspicion and in scenarios that would involve a swat team, annonymous reports should make deploying a swat team require more checking of the situation before any doors are busted down.