On the lack of food noise: "I just felt that my hunger was switched off. It made me realize how much our whole existence is programmed around our addiction to food."

I feel this way as well.

::: spoiler Summary

Detailed Outline: "She Didn't Die So I Tried It Too" — No Carb Life

Guest: Clare (Australian, homeschooling mother, works with horses/dogs)

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I. Introduction & Discovery of Carnivore (~0:00–1:25)

• Claire learned about the carnivore diet ~3 years ago from a homeschooling friend
• Friend said she was eating "just meat, no veggies"
• Claire's initial reaction: "You're going to die. Your kidneys are going to fail"
• Couldn't wrap her head around it, so she researched on YouTube
• Found Ken Berry — called him "a godsend"
• Watched Ken Berry's interview with Kelly Hogan — seeing Hogan alive and healthy after years on carnivore was a turning point
• Also found Jordan Peterson's story (meat and salt for 5–6 years, still healthy)
• Found Nutrition with Judy for the science behind the diet

II. Background: Keto & Diabetes (~1:25–3:15)

• Diagnosed with gestational diabetes during second pregnancy (~10 years ago)
• Doctors told her to eat whole grains, fruits, vegetables, balanced diet
• Refused to go on insulin; researched on YouTube instead
• Discovered carbohydrates spike blood sugar
• Cut all carbs, tested blood sugar constantly, learned what spiked it and what didn't
• Found milk spiked her blood sugar — cut it out
• Managed diabetes successfully on keto but found it "boring" and struggled with cravings
• Still tried to keep vegetables in her diet

III. Starting Carnivore — First Week (~3:15–5:00)

• Decided to try carnivore without her kids; got kidneys and health markers tested first
• Went "hardcore carnivore" cold turkey
• Day 4: Brain fog, couldn't think, extremely thirsty — later realized this was electrolyte deficiency, not the diet itself
• Day 4–5: Mental health dramatically improved — "like I was on anti-depressants"
• Within one week: Gut issues improved significantly
• Initially ate lots of heavy cream and butter
• Diet "switched off" her hunger — no longer thought about food constantly

IV. Weight Loss & Divorce Aftermath (~5:00–6:20)

• Lost 17–18 kilos on carnivore
• Had previously lost weight (from ~70 kg down to ~57 kg) during her divorce
• Gained all the weight back afterward
• Reached a point where she bent over to pick something up and fell, couldn't get up from excess weight
• Tried keto again before carnivore — it didn't work, weight wouldn't come off
• Carnivore "dropped the weight" and changed her biology

V. Changing Perspectives on Food & the Food Pyramid (~6:20–8:00)

• People assume she eats steak for breakfast, lunch, and dinner
• Reality: she often skips breakfast, has coffee with cream, doesn't think about food
• The food pyramid is "a joke"
• Tried growing her own food for 10 years — extremely difficult; fruit only produces ~2 weeks per year
• Tried veganism — "it does not work"
• Realized meat is the most sustainable and practical food source

VI. Aboriginal Australian Connection (~8:00–10:00)

• Claire reflected on what Aboriginal Australians traditionally ate: goannas, kangaroos, some berries
• Host mentions a previous Aboriginal guest who said: "I've gone back to eating how we always ate and I've never been healthier"
• Claire references Anthony Chaffee (Perth-based) saying Aboriginal Australians could add 20 years to their life on a meat-based diet
• Theory: Westerners have had agriculture for tens of thousands of years, so their systems are more "corrupted" by modern foods; Aboriginal Australians' systems are closer to how humans were "meant to be"
• Everything she was told about diet was "moving me in the direction of making someone else money" — food companies, medical establishment

VII. Anti-Pharma Views & Statin Criticism (~11:25–12:30)

• Claire calls pharmaceutical companies "a drug cartel" — "they want you to stay sick"
• Has seen people die following doctors' orders
• Husband was prescribed statins — she calls them "the worst thing in the world"
• Claims statins stop the body from doing what it's meant to do, especially in older people
• The "cholesterol lie" is "quite widely known now as a myth"

VIII. Doctor Interactions & Cholesterol (~12:30–13:20)

• Claire avoids talking to doctors about her diet — believes they're "brainwashed"
• Doctors tell her cholesterol is high and to cut red meat
• People misunderstand carnivore: they assume massive steak consumption at every meal, but she eats no more meat than anyone else — she just doesn't crave food all the time

IX. Typical Daily Eating Pattern (~13:20–14:45)

• Evolved over time; used to fast (coffee only, one meal at dinner)
• Currently eats two meals:
  • Breakfast: Cottage cheese with cream (high fat)
  • Dinner: Chicken fried in beef tallow, or steak
• Stopped intermittent fasting because it made her "hangry" — attributes this to female hormones
• Also fasted for faith reasons previously but found it unsustainable

X. Friends' Success Stories (~14:50–17:00)

1. Diabetic friend (60s, Melbourne area):

   • Initially resisted, tried "keto-ish" with fruit, kept sneaking in chocolate
   • Scared of having a stroke; told Claire "if this can make me healthy, I owe you my life"
   • Went from 110 kg to ~70 kg
   • Neuropathy pain gone, diabetes under control, off all medications
   • Now a massive advocate

2. Diabetic man (late 60s):

   • Reversed his diabetes on carnivore

3. Vegetarian friend (hoof trimming course):

   • Pro-animal, vegetarian
   • Saw her Facebook photo — "stunning, amazing"
   • Friend said: "I listened to what you said and went carnivore — all I have is steak and eggs"
   • Older than Claire, looks "stunning and so slim"

XI. Vitamin C, Kidneys & Gut Health (~17:00–19:55)

• Was worried about vitamin C deficiency and kidney health
• Got kidneys checked — everything was fine; "the total opposite" of what she feared
• References the story about Halle Berry doing Atkins — claims the negative reports (smelling, farting, adverse health effects) were "a whole fallacy"
• Lifelong gut issues and gas completely disappeared — "I have no gas at all anymore"
• "That was the old normal and this is the new normal — this is the way it was always meant to be"
• Host agrees: "I can actually trust a fart now"
• White spots on fingernails (zinc deficiency) disappeared without supplements — attributes this to improved gut absorption
• Theory: gut inflammation from plant foods inhibits nutrient absorption; without that "white noise," the gut can do its job
• Red meat contains vitamin C; she has had no deficiencies

XII. Supplements & Husband's Transformation (~19:55–22:48)

• No supplements currently; takes only beef liver capsules occasionally

• Uses lots of salt; took electrolytes in the beginning but no longer needs them

• Eats roughly 50/50 chicken and red meat

• Husband Shane's story:

  • In his 60s, had heart issues, blockages, stroke risk
  • Sweet tooth — cakes, sugar
  • Claire told him: "I don't want to be burying my husband when he could have another good 20+ years"
  • Lost 25 kilos on carnivore — "he's a young man now"
  • Was a "walking pharmacy" — pill organizer full for every day of the week
  • Now off everything except aspirin
  • Transition was rough:
    • Carbohydrate withdrawal — "like coming off heroin," shakes
    • Felt great for 2 weeks, then crashed — blackouts, couldn't see
    • Claire panicked: "Am I going to kill him with this diet?"
    • Tried giving him sugar — no change
    • Discovered he was still on blood pressure medication — his blood pressure had become dangerously low because he no longer needed it
    • The medication was making him sick, not the carnivore diet
  • Blood pressure now excellent — doctors say "wow, that's really good for your age"
  • Doctors attributed all improvement to weight loss

XIII. Medical Establishment Criticism (~22:48–24:25)

• Doctors blamed husband's improvements solely on weight loss
• Claire believes doctors may know the truth but are constrained — "blackmailed" by the system, fear losing their licenses
• Host calls it "I've got a mortgage to pay syndrome"
• Claire adds: doctors' egos are invested in their expensive education — "don't be questioning me"
• Mentions a 7-day horse ride in the high country with doctors who were "pro pushing the vaccine" — attributes this to ego and identity

XIV. Advice for Newcomers (~24:25–27:15)

• Diabetics/pre-diabetics: Transition slowly — going hardcore can cause dangerous hypoglycemia
• Non-diabetics: Can go cold turkey (Claire did, but her body was already adapted from keto)
• Keep a food diary — write everything down, phase foods out over time
• Recognize that a high-carb diet is basically a drug — you will have addictions and withdrawals
• The biggest challenge is mental, not physical:
  • Nighttime eating while watching TV is habitual/addictive
  • Social pressure — food is central to gatherings; "it's not acceptable to not eat"
  • Food is used as "a therapy device, like a drug"
• Replacement strategies:
  • Claire uses nicocine gum for oral fixation (caveats this)
  • Sparkling water / mineral water to stay occupied
  • Find new habits to replace old food triggers

XV. Closing & Contact (~27:15–28:30)

• Claire can be found on Facebook (business profile focused on animals, horses, dogs)
• Her profile picture is Chopper Read (notorious Australian criminal/author) — she admires his toughness and "no small talk" attitude
• Host will link her Facebook in the show notes :::