Spyke
quokk.au

We must ask the Nazis nicely to close these down, and when they refuse we must make our signs even more strongly worded! Harming concentration camp guards is always unconscionable no matter how many people of saves!

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CubitOomreply
infosec.pub

Sarcasm is not helpful. Speak what you really think.

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Zahille7reply
lemmy.world

Alright, I'll bite, cause I've been posting what I really think and people keep wanting to downvote me even though I'm right.

We should have been storming these fucking concentration camps day one, with our own weapons and armor. We should have been shoving ICE's faces into the mud and not let them up to breathe. We should be standing guard on city corners with our own assault rifles (like that one vet did a few years ago and got in trouble for it, even though he was fully licensed and within his rights to carry his weapon; he was also a leftie.

The US is fucking done unless we can get people like you to pull their heads out of their asses and realize that these peaceful protests (protests in general really) aren't doing damn near anything they should be.

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lemmy.world

After the last election showed us the ballot box is rigged and the courts show us the jury box is useless…we are long past time to crack open box #4 and every one of these masked ice shitbags should be shot on sight.

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Box 4 may as well be rotting in the shed, full of spiders at this point.

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US is fucking done unless we can get people like you to pull their heads out of their asses and realize that these peaceful protests (protests in general really) aren't doing damn near anything they should be.

I mean, unfortunately it's all of us including all western powers. A citizen of any European country and a citizen in the US have about as much power to force direct change on the US government, pretty much zero. And it's for the same reason, the US government has a near total monopoly on violence.

The same reason Americans do not arm themselves and take to the streets domestically is the same reason Europe still trades with and largely supports our foreign diplomacy, the US gov has enough hard power to shape geopolitics.

Unless we get a significant portion of the American population to take to the streets or a significant portion of global leaders to create a united front against America, the US Gov will continue to do as it pleases.

Unfortunately the majority American barley care about their fellow citizens, let alone people they see as foreigners. If you practice direct violent action without the will of the people, the centerist of the world will see that show of force as evidence that the state was right to suppress radicals. They will side with the state and allow the state to justify a real show of force.

Historically violent action needs to be paired with a less radical movement. Every Malcolm X needs an MLK to garter general appeal and offer the state safe middle ground to retreat too. The problem now a days is that we don't even have an MLK like figure. The Democratic party has become soo used to accommodating the right that they can't even tolerate their being a middle ground.

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Speak what you really think.

But what if I don't want the FBI to raid my house?

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Nazi lives matter they have families who would miss them hurting them like that would be wrong

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Totally different! ICE was at least kind enough to install fire sprinklers and a smoke detector!

I hope the /s isn't required, but just in case...

/s

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feddit.org

I see your point, and why sometimes its usefull to make drastic comparisons ...

But please, dont compare the holocaust to ICE Camps.

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altphotoreply
lemmy.today

I read history books. It doesn't start with death camps. It starts with little things like making people different. It starts with colored arm bands. The initial camps in Nazi Germany, such as Dachau, were established shortly after Hitler came to power in 1933, primarily to detain political opponents like communists and social democrats. These camps quickly evolved into a broader system for imprisoning various groups deemed undesirable by the Nazi regime, including Jews, Roma, and others.

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feddit.org

I dont know the source of the picture, but I assume the picture is at least from the later years of the Regime, after the Wannsee Conference. So the author of the post ist obviously refering to death camps and the holocaust and not the German concentration camps from the early years. I mean, someone else replied with a fucking joke refering to sprinklers.

Concentration Camps in general werent that uncommen in western countries. Sure, as far as I know Germany "invented" the modern Concentration Camp System, but that was for the Herero Genocide in 1904. But to some point, many countries had something similar. At least in their colonies. Because fucking up foreign ethnic groups was and still is a western speciality.

And if you want a (in my opinion) better comparison for the ICE Camps, you dont have to look far away from the USA. Take something like the Detainee Camps for Japanese originated People in the US during WW2, something newer, like Guantanamo Bay or all the other fucked up CIA- and War-Prisons-torture-Camps from the past 70 years.

But please, please, please - comparing something like the ICE-Camps to the by far most abominable crime in all human history is in my opinion wrong. And many experts think likewise. If you are interested, i can look up material for this.

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Comparison: People used to be normally working people one day. The next day they are beaten up, pulled far from family and imprisoned for no good reason other than existing. Are they being actively murdered in mass, no. Are they being stripped naked and worked til death no. Can they now go home? No. Is being imprisoned without any allowed contact or ability to defend they point of view similar to being imprisoned without any allowed contact with the purpose of eventually being murdered? Yeah, I can see that. If you don't tell me when I might eventually gain my freedom, that's similar to never gaining my freedom.

I don't even know where to start to tell you, but the stories of the freed Jews from the Nazi camps did come with a purpose and request to learn from them to never let it happen again. Me, I'm okay with knowing that there are normal prisons for criminals. That's borderline okay. Acceptable for our level of intelligence. But a prison for those who you do not like is basically what they asked us to not repeat. So using that comparison is for the correct purpose.

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And why not?
It's a valid warning for how it could turn out.
They are following the same principles of gradually implementing fascism, the tactics of 'death by a thousand cuts'.
Is it too confronting?
Does it ruin the future 'Wir haben es nicht gewußt' excuse to use another comparison?

What does it take for americans to get off their ass and do more than complain online, make edgy signs for their lame No Kings walks,etc..
Shameful and pathetic.

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Bro you use the nazi name for it, if you wanna respect the victims call it the Shoah. (Holocaust meant a mass offering of burnt animals to the gods, it's not actually a negative term, the nazis were proud to call it holocaust)

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First of all - The Nazis called it "Endlösung" (Final Solution), "Die Judenfrage" (the Question about the Jews) or other likewise Euphemism.

Holocaust was used for the killing of people since medieval times and genocide since the Armenian genocide.

I know the naming is complicated, but as far as I remeber, using the term holocaust for the killing of all the people, and not only Jews, is more correct. Because otherwise, other groups like the queer, the Sinti and the Roma are much likly forgotten.

In my opinion, its hard to find a suitable word for this abomination. Some speeches in Germany I heard refering to it, talked around the word or said things like the million timed killing of people and families, but even this leaves alot out of this atrocity. And by my effort to make a short reference to a complex topic, I use holocaust. But if you have something better, please tell me.

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CubitOomreply
infosec.pub

Several hunger strikes are happening in various concentration camps. The most notable is the one happening now at Delaney Hall in Newark, NJ.

As you might imagine, it is hard for abductees to communicate between concentration camps. Also, I'm sure not everyone is participating, pregnant women might decide to eat.

Some people are just not being fed or refuse food contaminated with insect larvae and rocks amongst other things.

The key takeaway is that the concentration camps in America have terrible conditions and should be abolished.

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Leonreply
pawb.social

The key takeaway is that the concentration camps in America have terrible conditions and should be abolished.

Gods, I wish this was something that didn’t even need saying. It hasn’t even been 100 years.

It’s hard to like this world.

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OwOarchistreply
pawb.social

It hasn’t even been 100 years.

... since America's previous concentration camps.

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We've ALWAYS had concentration camps. Jails, prisons, correctional institutions, etc. have always been sources of unpaid, unfair, cruel labor.

When we get rid of every single fucking prison, we get rid of concentration camps.

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No, since the last big "concentration camps are bad actually" event that pretty much everyone in the west agreed upon, until we let nazis out in public without beating the fuck out of them.

Of course the U.S. has had concentration camps for ages at this point, and for some reason there's a whole bunch of people thinking that's perfectly fine, when there are still people alive today who lived through that bullshit in Europe.

We should actually just torch anyone who thinks concentration camps are in any way acceptable.

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Good that Obama closed Guantanamo, it was the first thing he would do if elected.
That country has been rotting for a long time.
Even now they're doing nothing about it.
Just look at Palestine.
These things happen again and again if they let it happen.

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There are lots of hunger strikes going, but i think a lot of them are like because the food is so bad, so it's like they don't wanna eat the food that makes them sick. So it's a good question, it is a hunger strike but also they're not being given good food.

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Can someone who speaks Spanish help? It sounds like they're shouting "la mia". I don't know much Spanish, but I don't think that means "food".

Edit: I think they're saying "comida", which means "meal".

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