Spanish police filmed beating Gaza flotilla activists
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Spain generally is a lot better on the rights of Palestinians than any other European countries except maybe Ireland (but Ireland still allows the US to use their bases for refueling)
Having said that. Cops everywhere are soulless thugs, the lowest scum on earth. ACAB.
Cops are an instrument of state violence so it's generally reflective of the state if left unchecked (which it usually is).
Generally eu are pretty decent on this but states/countries need to consider how they use force. Esp in the light of how radical groups will galvinise this. Radical should be used in the correct sense, not in the way that we have all be conditioned to align it with extreme terrorism.
At this point it goes against the messaging these states have been parroting the last 20 years. Be a good citizen and report/oust those activist groups. Nothing turns you against the state than a state that beats or starves you.
Having been beaten by EU cops, our cops are little better than any other's. Slightly less corrupt I guess.
It's also pretty reflective of the person who decides to become a cop.
Israel demands justice for Gaza supporters ?
That doesn't sound right.
It's the Jerusalem Post. It shouldn't even be allowed here
why are you guys so quick to censor and ban?
We dont support propaganda and whataboutism. Israeli government officials raped Europeans
That's hilarious. "We don't support propaganda and whataboutism, also check out this completely irrelevant claim about my ops" you couldn't write it.
No, they’re trying to frame Spain as hypocritical and push the narrative that it’s not only them abusing the flotilla activists which lessens the seriousness of what Israel did.
And they have beef with Spain since Spain has been possibly the most critical and outspoken against Israel in regard to Palestine.
Kudos for showing the true mechanisms of the Israel manipulations.
Okay now that makes sense
They're trying to imply that the flotilla activists cause trouble wherever they go and that beating them is almost unavoidable, just to get them to comply with their orders.
There's just a couple of differences that Israel left out.
if you read the article it was basically a tu quoque
they are saying you accuse us of treating the activists badly and then go around and beat them
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/SiaYlwlvhKg?ra=m
then israel followed up by saying yeah they’re annoying now you have to deal with them
Tu quoque, literally "you, too", is a rhetorical technique that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by attacking the opponent's own personal behaviour and actions as being inconsistent with their argument, so that the opponent appears hypocritical. This specious reasoning is a special type of ad hominem attack.
From Wikipedia
yup /thread
Acab... Have we learnt nothing? Be they white or black, male or female, old or young, foreign or local, cops are ALWAYS the bad guys.
I know this is rhetorical, but yeah, we as a humanity, basically learn nothing, and it's sad as hell.
The "little" difference is that almost everyone in Spain is with the assaulted while almost everyone in Israel is with the aggressors.
ACAB
Wait, what.... this must be like when someone's sucking your dick quite vigorously and you need to tell them to ease off a bit
Clearly sarcasm because of how Spain has condemned Israel’s treatment of the flotilla
I'm not saying these police represent Spain as a whole. Fascists gonna fash wherever they are
ACAB, and I can't believe I'm defending Spain, whose police would almost certainly have done the same, but it seems to be the ertzaintza, the Basque police, so if anyone they're supposed to represent Euskadi, not Spain.
More twelve them to suck harder
Mossad agent in the Spanish Police?
I dont kkow about spain, but where i live, they are everywhere
ACAB, but I'd have expected it to be the guardia civil (for some cops are more bastards than others), but looks like it was the ertzaintza, the Basque police.
Which means that Israel has even less of an argument, since it's not either of the two main Spanish police forces, and they're not directly under the Spanish government's jurisdiction.
Ah, yes, the Jerusalem Post spin on things ...
Where are the idiots praising the spanish government for "standing against usa" by not allowing them to use the military base they have been running in spain for 50 years? How many times do you have to get fooled to understand that they are not your friends?
Here! I'm here! Doing good things gets you praise, doing bad things gets you boos.
If a doctor operates on someone and saves their life: yay! Good job doctor! If the same doctor then prescribes opioids to drug dealers: boo, no! Bad doctor!
Maybe you missed this class in kindergarten, but the morality of an action is not determined by its actor, but is inherent to the action.
If trump or netanyahu tomorrow decide to leave gaza do you praise them for doing the good thing even after they murdered thousand of children?
Praising hitler for the good things he did was literally the nazi proganda, it worked as a cover up for all the bad things and persuaded people to believe that he was good.
Yes I would.
They were blocking a gate, disrupting other travelers while repeatedly ignoring police orders to move. They staged a scene at an airport, in a country still healing from the scars of ETA terrorism. Who thinks that’s a smart move? What’s the point?
If you ask me, their best-case scenario was probably to provoke a police response, let the images of the confrontation go viral, and grab some attention. Well, the police delivered exactly what they seemed to want.
The flotilla main goal is to bring humanitarian aid to gaza, they are provoking israel by doing it and they are aware of it. This doesn't sound bad to me because they are bringing attention to israel goverment being an authoritarian regime who torture activists and prisoners.
If a small provocation such as peacefully blocking a gate while protesting a genocide trigger the police to beat up people and arrest them, it sounds a good provocation to me because it get to remember people the reality of the world we live in and what happen the moment you refuse to obey the government.
You’re right. But they also gave Israel the perfect opportunity to make the Spanish government look bad, one of the few countries openly opposing Israel and the U.S. for their illegal wars.
Still better than give the perfect opportunity to israel to keep going with their shit
I'm sure blocking that gate made netanyahu and his supporters think. /s
They demanded answers from madrid so it did.
The Spanish National police are police, and are the arm of the states monopoly on violence concept. They have been gradually becoming a highly professional and civilized police force, since the days of the dictatorship 50 yrs ago. There are of course many power thirsty assholes that get in, but on the whole they are fairly correct and professional, to the point that when a thing like this happens, it makes international news. Critical thinking , people.
This was apparently the ertzaintza, though.
Sure, but to make up for that there's still the guardia civil.
OK, Ertzaintzas have a bit of a reputation.
I don't mind protests at all, it's completely your right. Assuming you're in a country that supports it, ie China your ass is black bagged. But when you impeed and block people, yeah you need to be arrested. Standing in roads, blocking hospitals, ect.
So it's ok if they protest just as long as the protest doesn't inconvenience anyone and you don't have to notice it.
You do get how that's not a protest. Right?
For some people, protesting is just whiney behaviour that didn't get them labour rights or weekends.
The thing about protesting is that if you feel that you need to cause a disruption in order to get your point across then you kind of already exhausted all the other options. To claim that protesters have to stay out of the way is just plain stupid, and fundamentally misunderstands what a protest is, and why it comes about.
As long as your protest doesn't inconvenience anyone it's fine.
Which is literally the justification for stopping all protests "under rule of law". But people like the you can't see beyond the sole of the boot you're licking.
For example, Rosa parks rode the bus in the white section. It inconvenienced the white people who didn't like it. Under your logic she should be arrested. Which is what happened.
Protests need to cost money and inconvenience people or they have no power.
A protest that impacts no one negatively is not a protest, it's a parade.
Blocking roads and impeding people IS protesting, just voicing your opinion without any collective action is a political rally. Protesters pretty much 100% of the time let emergency services like ambulances still pass through. If someone is blocking a hospital they are a wrecker trying to discredit the protest.