Schiff Proposes Bill Requiring Data Centers to Pay for Own Power
Well of course they should pay for their own power!! They’re private companies! What am I missing here?
“ Data centers must pay for the grid upgrades they require and can’t siphon power from existing power plants, according to the bill. It also directs the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to update its rules related to transmission lines — which transport electricity — to allow data centers to reduce demand during peak energy hours. “
This seems reasonable to me.
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Fuck it. Make them use renewables as well.
One step further.
Data centers must provide more clean energy to the grid than they remove.
Trying to think of a monkey’s paw situation :
The AI companies would nuke cities to change the other side of the equation.
Edit: that doesn’t work.
They would nuke the solar panels not on their property. They don’t need to provide any renewable energy if they don’t draw in any.
I'd say make them fund the creation of power plants that will produce 200% of their 24 hour usage in 24 hours.
They shouldn't just make what they use. They should be improving the communities where they operate.
Pay!? Make them BUILD 2x the capacity they need and give the rest away to the grid. Don't let them get away with using money to escape the social consequences of their choices. The responsibility to ensure they have no impact should be forced to be theirs and theirs alone.
Write laws that make them cease to exist if they don't do this.
Given we have the technology, any new construction should be required to be environmentally neutral at a minimum, ideally with ongoing improvement.
If they need to use millions of gallons of groundwater? Great, go fucking wild, but directly fund managed aquifer recharge projects to replace that groundwater at an equal or greater rate.
Increases in resource consumption should be covered entirely by the data center plus improvements to benefit the community.
No longer should big business be used as a means to siphon the value of labor and natural resources and concentrate it for selfish use by the worst of humanity.
Concrete is recyclable, but usually isn't because of sortation costs and concrete accounts for something like 7% of Global emissions.
How about pay for ALL the power?
Nah, I think we should give them all the power. All at once.
Well if we deliver too much power all at once it'll.... Ooooooooooh.
They need lots of energy. Kinetic energy.
How is this not the default?
We are doomed, what a bunch of clowns
Why aren’t they paying for their own power?
Free market bro. People have a market and you just show up and take what ya want.
After you’ve already made a billion.
They're not paying for additive demand. If grid updates or plant expansions cost $1b then that's distributed across all customers equally based on their consumption. So let's say there's 1m customers and the utility spread the costs over 10 years... $100 more per customer assuming equal consumption across.
Schiff is proposing the data center itself is saddled with the $1b and all other customers bills are held flat.
Because it's cheaper to bribe officials to make the locals pay for it.
Data Centers should be forced to pay to return the cost of power by consumers to normal. So as Datacenters buy power at the going rate, increasing price, they will also subsidize consumers to the point that power costs are the same as if there were no Datacenter.
Also, LLMs are worthless and will burn life away from this planet.
Not just pay for their own power, TAX THE FUCK OUT OF THEM.
They're in a hurry because there's a FUCKTON of cash in it, we need to TAX them like we ACTUALLY KNOW THAT.
I don't get it. Why aren't they already paying for their power? Why is this bill necessary? It sounds like common fucking sense to me, so why isn't that the default?
So who's paying for their power now?
They do pay for their power. The bill would require them to pay for grid upgrades that their usage makes necessary.
Well yeah, but my question was: why does this need a bill at all? By default they should pay for their own shit.
At least my provider, when they need to build a new plant or do capacity upgrades, they get the PSC to give them blanket increases in service charge or kWh-rate, on the basis that everybody contributes to the higher demand. Now we've got single customers claiming they want the full output of two or three power plants, and why should I pay the mortgage on those plants for 20 years? When the data center will be gone in 5?
The grid itself is public property serviced by contractors using public funds. Datacenters will overwhelm that grid without extreme improvements.
So unless they're forced to pay for it, citizens will foot the bill.
I really hope this gets passed, but it sounds like something Trump's buddies would be against.
We are.
"common sense" doesn't mean legislation isn't necessary, what kind of logic is that?
Do water too.
This country is completely dysfunctional.
I hear data centers are exceedingly vulnerable to sabotage
You mean vulnerable to power outages? Because "sabotage" would be illegal and all of that
IDK I just heard that’s all
What are you talking about? We just want to get a bunch of traditional wooden shoes. You know, sabots? Then take pictures of them doing silly things around and maybe hopefully in a bunch of datacenters. Then make collages from those photos. Where did you go to clown college?
hey, am still practicing. gimme a break.
Well they're very accident prone. Lots of dangerous rednecks out there in the deserts shooting wildly without knowing what's beyond their targets. So much delicate equipment exposed to the rain of stray bullets. And it'd really suck to work there and find your car's radiator coolant pouring out from a .30 caliber hole.
We can’t afford the pedophile class anymore
It amazes me that they don’t. You’d think it would be ideal in fact so they can be self sufficient.
It's way more complicated to build a GW-scale power plant than a GW-scale data center, mostly because the power plant is subject to environmental studies, fuel supply, etc, so a DC looking for investors that can just say they're going to build a big warehouse, fill it with computers, and get electricity, magically, from the local utility, gets to outsource the hardest problem, and stands a better chance of getting their funding (regardless of whether they actually build anything).
I forget where I keep seeing that some huge fraction of proposed DCs will/are never built, suggesting that many of them are just investor scams. Showing their work on power supply would (presumably) make the scam harder to run.
That's shit.
We need it to be renewable power.
Same should go for any utility.
If I’m not sharing the dollars, I’m not paying for the volts.
Or the stuff that transmits/makes the volts.
But data center owners will sue and it’ll go to the SC and they’ll rule corporations are citizens and therefore tax payers pay.
I don't understand. Did we not already have that rule?
No, electricity bills have been skyrocketing all over the US because electric companies have been passing the costs incurred by AI data centers onto the nearby residents. The AI companies don't want to pay for it.
In most countries, utilities are required to build the infrastructure and offer service.
And water too! Especially if they waste it!
Please don't let this blasphemy go. They're using your fresh water, at your expense, for THEIR benefits. For AI clankers who cant fix an Excel sheet properly.
Even better, they are using OUR money to put everyone they possibly can out of work.
Right now a data center will come in and demand the power grid be expanded. They will bribe local officials whovwill then allow the electric company to massively increase rates to cover the new infrastructure the data center needs. Its pretty much the same as how the water service is handled.
are they making their own H2O, too?
Yeah with all 20 employees. Just gotta filter it a bit
My company already does this.
Or in other words, as the cons would say - Schiff and other Democrats are extremists.
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What?
It's just AIPAC engineered blue MAGA bullshit.
Stand by.
...okay
You forgot the /s
I mean . . . I feel like it was pretty prominent. But, yes.
Clearly you're new to the fediverse.
We use tone modifiers? </sassy gassy urethra turtle>
Clearly you're confused about my point. I'm saying that the /s is not "prominent" or obvious because we do in fact have idiots who think exactly what the user said in his initial comment.
And yet
You're negative seven, pal.
i think the sarcasm wasn't quite thick enough, but it was noticeable. that's the danger of using sarcasm tho, sometimes you fall flat.
No, there isn't any such risk, you just add two characters and then the problem goes away.