Nothing that complex, I just think Marketing is just sanctioned official bullshit and wish it would go away. Informational advertising I get, but Marketing? Fuck no. That's just the sharp tip of consumerism trying to skewer you.
LabCoatz for those interested but he never said anything about zero sugar that I can recall so when it comes to difficulty I have no idea since I'm not a chemist.
For the mystery "natural flavours," mass spectrometry was used. He got the essential oils and their quantities down: lemon oil, lime oil, tea tree oil, cinnamon oil, nutmeg oil, orange oil, coriander oil, and a natural pine–like flavour called fenchol.
Was still missing coca. Then he realised they were basically tea leaves and the mystery flavour was actually tannins, which are non-volatile, so using mass spectrometry tannins won't show up. He found wine tannins are commercially sold in a water–soluble powder form, and this was the key pretty much.
This mix then had to be heated to blend/mature the essential oils, and then left to sit for 24 hours before being used in the final recipe to exact match the flavour profile.
For the past 2 years I've been using concentrates via 510 carts in Canada, unscented/no flavour additives. Before that I used a dry vape with cheaper pre-ground flower, but short battery life and maintenance got annoying plus dosage control is worse. Smoked before legalisation.
I love the no fuss delivery of concentrates, but found they randomly would cause me to have anxiety or paranoia. Went back to joints and haven't had an issue since.
One cider does not a drunk make but one joint will get me stoned. 3 drinks a week at this point compared to a joint or 3 a day. Was a pretty big shift.
I visited my brother recently and his downstairs fridge was completely full of diet caffeine free soda. I tried a few and they tasted shockingly close to their normal counterparts. I don’t trust it, there has to be a cost I don’t realize I’m paying.
But also, jesus christ at least sometimes drink some water. The whole family just hates water. They even have top notch H2O there, I’m jealous.
If I have a glass of water, I'll drink it when I'm thirsty. If I have flavored water, I'll consume more because it's enjoyable and I stay better hydrated. I tend to use a LOT of ice, so really I'm drinking that water too.
So up until recently I thought the same. I thought “Zero Sugar” used sucralose (Splenda) and diet used aspartame. Compared them at the store and Discovered that both Mountain Dew zero sugar and diet mountain dew are sweetened with the same fake sweetener, aspartame. The two drinks taste different to me. Maybe other brands do use different sweeteners but not Pepsi it seems.
Typically, zero sugar versions include aspartame AND acesulfame K to improve the artificial sweetener flavor, where diet versions only contain aspartame.
I mean it's not far off in some unfortunate circumstances. I remember years ago I've heard of towns in Mexico that lack clean drinking water and people were drinking Coke because of the water it contained. Idk why, but that really stuck with me.
Honestly sometimes you just want something for hydration and has a bit of flavor don't get me wrong I love water but you know sometimes you want something that safety without having to worry about calories or caffeine.
Is there any actual evidence that artificial sweeteners are less healthy than sugar? Sugar in drinks contributes significantly to obesity, which in turn significantly increases the risk for a lot of health problems.
There's evidence that it's less healthy than drinking water, not sure about any studies about the long term effects that would consider also the obesity related issues. If you're obese, manage to use artificial sweeteners to cut down on sugar, lose a bunch of weight doing that, and then drop those too, artificial sweeteners might literally save your life. If you don't have a weight issue, it's probably best not to start consuming them out of the blue.
Doesn't the USA use the word "calories" sometimes for kilocalories in food? So they divide the actual amount of calories by 1000. They also round certain things down, so that when they say "zero calories", the can can actually have "3600 calories"?
Yes, and then they have a whole thing about how under 5 kcal per serving can be rounded to zero because it's negligible.
That's why despite nobody on the planet having ever eaten a single tic tac at a time, the serving size is 1 tic tac. That's only 4 kcal, so in the US they can call it a "calorie-free snack"
4 kCal is a lot, around twice what a normal person needs per day. There is cal (small calorie) and Cal (large calorie), 1 Cal is 1000 cal or 1 kcal, 1 kCal would be 1000 kcal or 1 Mcal.
US FDA nutritional guidelines are based on 2,000 kilocalories a day. Europeans use kilojoules to the same effect.
I'm not sure any food in the USA uses a single calorie as a measurement of anything, because kilocalories make more sense in terms of units of scale in the human diet.
2000000 of anything sounds like a lot, so why not use prefixes to simplify?
According to the FAO, the average minimum daily energy requirement is approximately 8,400 kilojoules (2,000 kcal) per adult and 4,200 kilojoules (1,000 kcal) a child.[3] This data is presented in kilojoules, as most countries today use the SI unit kilojoules as their primary measurement for food energy intake,[4] with the exception of the USA,[5] Canada,[6] and the UK, which use kilocalories or both.
2000000 of anything sounds like a lot, so why not use prefixes to simplify?
That's why you either use kcal (or Cal) or kJ, but not Mcal (or kCal, which is easily confused with kcal) or MJ, because most things you eat and drink are between 0 and a few hundred kcal. This way you have one unit and keep it consistent instead of switching between kcal and Mcal all the time or saying awkward stuff like you ate something that only had 0.004 Mcal.
Europeans use kilojoules to the same effect.
While kJ is required in labeling in Europe most people still use kcal for everything. AFAIK the only country somewhat consistently using kJ is Australia (the one with the kangaroos).
I mean I used to regularly have a Cuba Libre made with Caffeine Free Coke Zero. I'd definitely say it has a use; rum and Coke with lime after a nice dinner is fucking delicious, and the zero caffeine doesn't keep me awake at night.
I haven't seen Caffeine Free Coke Zero in any of my local stores for years so I'll be on the lookout for this new "zero caffeine, zero sugar" version.
Just a new can. They’ve been selling caffeine free Coke Zero for 15 years, and caffeine free Diet Coke for even longer.
Yeah.. I don't drink Coke often but I like caffeine free diet coke / coke zero. I don't want the sugar and I don't need caffeine.
It's just soda then?
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Yeah yeah I know what Coca cola is. I'm asking what's left in it after removing caffeine and sugar.
A bubbly cola favored beverage.
Various chemical compounds that make most of the flavour of the drink, sugar free sweetners and that's it
It's a cola flavored sugar free soda.
Different artificial sweeteners with slightly different taste profiles.
We used to get caffeine free Diet Coke or Pepsi in the 80s for elementary school pizza parties.
It made the best burps.
The new can is really cool though. I definitely would buy this is I saw it in a store. The marketing would work on me.
Next up - Coca Cola Still: all the same refreshing taste of Coke, but without any carbonation! Life is busy, just be Still.
Not going to lie, that's a good tagline.
I know, I'm kinda ashamed of myself.
No no, don't be! Unless it's like your kink or smth then uh... Go ahead?
Nothing that complex, I just think Marketing is just sanctioned official bullshit and wish it would go away. Informational advertising I get, but Marketing? Fuck no. That's just the sharp tip of consumerism trying to skewer you.
Ey, I agree with you. Marketing shouldn't exist
i always let the carbonation escape before i drink it, as i don't like it. i like the taste however
RC Glow
hmm, new: coke null!! no caffeine, no calories, no sweeteners, no carbonation, no added color, neutral ph...
Available at faucets everywhere.
It has a use. Tasty fizzy drink with basically no calories, and caffeine fucks with my cannabis high. I get Canadian store brands tho.
I'm kinda pissed the Coca Cola recipe that was recently reverse engineered was the sugar version instead of zero.
I'm guessing zero is a lot harder, but maybe that guy who did it needs a new objective
LabCoatz for those interested but he never said anything about zero sugar that I can recall so when it comes to difficulty I have no idea since I'm not a chemist.
what turned out to be the secret ingredient in the end?
For the mystery "natural flavours," mass spectrometry was used. He got the essential oils and their quantities down: lemon oil, lime oil, tea tree oil, cinnamon oil, nutmeg oil, orange oil, coriander oil, and a natural pine–like flavour called fenchol.
Was still missing coca. Then he realised they were basically tea leaves and the mystery flavour was actually tannins, which are non-volatile, so using mass spectrometry tannins won't show up. He found wine tannins are commercially sold in a water–soluble powder form, and this was the key pretty much.
This mix then had to be heated to blend/mature the essential oils, and then left to sit for 24 hours before being used in the final recipe to exact match the flavour profile.
thats amazing!
Quantity of sugar is on the label, chemical replacements are not
Smoking a joint while drinking coffee this very moment 😅
Lucky! The combination gives me anxiety attacks these days. I can have one or the other but not both idk why.
That's a bummer. Though I an curious, flower or concentrates?
For the past 2 years I've been using concentrates via 510 carts in Canada, unscented/no flavour additives. Before that I used a dry vape with cheaper pre-ground flower, but short battery life and maintenance got annoying plus dosage control is worse. Smoked before legalisation.
I love the no fuss delivery of concentrates, but found they randomly would cause me to have anxiety or paranoia. Went back to joints and haven't had an issue since.
It's the same experience no matter how I consume it personally but we're all different. I'm just an anxious person in general.
I envy you it reminds me of my childhood. I'm currently enjoying a cider taking a break in from the heat doing yardwork.
Must've been an interesting childhood...
Sorry I should have quantified that younger than 30 to me was my childhood lol. I didn't clean up until I had kids.
Think it's ironic you find cider over a joint cleaning up. To each their own.
One cider does not a drunk make but one joint will get me stoned. 3 drinks a week at this point compared to a joint or 3 a day. Was a pretty big shift.
alt: illustration of a can labeled "diet double dew". it also says "half the sugar[,] half the caffeine of double dew". "dew the math!"
Half of a double? There might be a less verbose term for that.
that's the joke!
I drink caffeine free zero because I like the taste but I need to reduce my caffeine and sugar consumption.
I visited my brother recently and his downstairs fridge was completely full of diet caffeine free soda. I tried a few and they tasted shockingly close to their normal counterparts. I don’t trust it, there has to be a cost I don’t realize I’m paying.
But also, jesus christ at least sometimes drink some water. The whole family just hates water. They even have top notch H2O there, I’m jealous.
Zero sugar sodas are 99% water.
If I have a glass of water, I'll drink it when I'm thirsty. If I have flavored water, I'll consume more because it's enjoyable and I stay better hydrated. I tend to use a LOT of ice, so really I'm drinking that water too.
I like it. Tastes like Coke, which I like as an occasional treat, doesn't keep me up at night and doesn't make me gain weight.
I mean, there's still the cola taste?
And dissolved gas
Rather not.
This is the perfect soda. All the flavor, with no drugs.
I don't know what soda as caffeine to begin with.
Almost every cola has caffeine as a given
I know, but i don't want the caffeine.
Isn't there a difference been "diet" and "zero"? Like doesn't one use aspartame and the other use a different "fake" sweetener?
So up until recently I thought the same. I thought “Zero Sugar” used sucralose (Splenda) and diet used aspartame. Compared them at the store and Discovered that both Mountain Dew zero sugar and diet mountain dew are sweetened with the same fake sweetener, aspartame. The two drinks taste different to me. Maybe other brands do use different sweeteners but not Pepsi it seems.
Typically, zero sugar versions include aspartame AND acesulfame K to improve the artificial sweetener flavor, where diet versions only contain aspartame.
TIL. Thanks!
This somehow implies Kryptonite is made of/has caffeine on its composition.
Diet coke retains the "new coke" recipe but with aspartame whereas coke zero is the "classic coke" recipe just with ace k and aspartame
I think, idk what I'm talking about I just like coca cola (the drink, not the company)
I think they only put aspartame in Diet Coke but I could be wrong
Uses:
Mind your own and let people enjoy their lives (and their sugar-free cola beverages).
Hahaha yeah no I'm drinking that daily, I don't have a sugar problem, I dont have a cafein problem, I have a soda problem
Tbh you probably shouldn't be drinking any of their products on a daily basis...
Especially dasani
Yeah alcoholics shouldnt drink alcohol daily either
Meanwhile people would take extra sugar extra caffeine and the OG coke too
Jolt Cola: All the sugar. Twice the caffeine.
thirst principles
Water that tastes fuckin well good? Sign me up
So, Water...?
Water tastes give, but cola tastes better, as do a lot of flavoured things!
It's not useless. It's marketing, pure capitalist marketing. Always has been. CocaCola is not a beverage company, it's a marketing company.
All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi, but she wouldn't give it to me... Just a Pepsi.
https://youtu.be/LoF_a0-7xVQ?t=121
Flavor town.
For some people this would be considered too spicy.
Coca-cola famously tried to sell bottled tap water in the UK as Dasani, but they abandoned it after they were very quickly exposed and ridiculed.
I'm pretty sensitive to caffeine but I like soda, so I drink this. Mostly water and decaf coffee, though.
Ohhh that reminds me I need to get some decaf. Nice.
Homeopathic cola
I mean it's not far off in some unfortunate circumstances. I remember years ago I've heard of towns in Mexico that lack clean drinking water and people were drinking Coke because of the water it contained. Idk why, but that really stuck with me.
Edit: I think it was this article
How did it taste?
Like water and brown.
Zero taste...... Would be fitting
Ok
Can is full of water
Coca cola'nt
Honestly sometimes you just want something for hydration and has a bit of flavor don't get me wrong I love water but you know sometimes you want something that safety without having to worry about calories or caffeine.
Yes, but no. In this fucked up world some zeros are bigger than others.
The "zero sugar" usually means they replace the sugar with something worse (that's often also a laxative).
Is there any actual evidence that artificial sweeteners are less healthy than sugar? Sugar in drinks contributes significantly to obesity, which in turn significantly increases the risk for a lot of health problems.
There's evidence that it's less healthy than drinking water, not sure about any studies about the long term effects that would consider also the obesity related issues. If you're obese, manage to use artificial sweeteners to cut down on sugar, lose a bunch of weight doing that, and then drop those too, artificial sweeteners might literally save your life. If you don't have a weight issue, it's probably best not to start consuming them out of the blue.
It seems like sucralose is not very unhealthy.
However the big name brands like Coke use aspartame which is a carcinogen and should be avoided.
cracks open a can of Coke Zero
Beats sugar though.
I don't think it's very common to use alcohol sugars to sweeten drinks, you might be thinking of candy or gummy bears?
Doesn't the USA use the word "calories" sometimes for kilocalories in food? So they divide the actual amount of calories by 1000. They also round certain things down, so that when they say "zero calories", the can can actually have "3600 calories"?
Yes, and then they have a whole thing about how under 5 kcal per serving can be rounded to zero because it's negligible.
That's why despite nobody on the planet having ever eaten a single tic tac at a time, the serving size is 1 tic tac. That's only 4 kcal, so in the US they can call it a "calorie-free snack"
kCal is a normal measurement in the UK too. I think anything being 4 kCal is probably negligible
4 kCal is a lot, around twice what a normal person needs per day. There is cal (small calorie) and Cal (large calorie), 1 Cal is 1000 cal or 1 kcal, 1 kCal would be 1000 kcal or 1 Mcal.
US FDA nutritional guidelines are based on 2,000 kilocalories a day. Europeans use kilojoules to the same effect.
I'm not sure any food in the USA uses a single calorie as a measurement of anything, because kilocalories make more sense in terms of units of scale in the human diet.
2000000 of anything sounds like a lot, so why not use prefixes to simplify?
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_food_energy_intake
That's why you either use kcal (or Cal) or kJ, but not Mcal (or kCal, which is easily confused with kcal) or MJ, because most things you eat and drink are between 0 and a few hundred kcal. This way you have one unit and keep it consistent instead of switching between kcal and Mcal all the time or saying awkward stuff like you ate something that only had 0.004 Mcal.
While kJ is required in labeling in Europe most people still use kcal for everything. AFAIK the only country somewhat consistently using kJ is Australia (the one with the kangaroos).
Rounding happens but no, you'll find nothing when that kind of delta and it'll be of zero consequences.
I see little point to soda with no caffeine
All Marketing Zero Everything Else Extra Profits
I mean I used to regularly have a Cuba Libre made with Caffeine Free Coke Zero. I'd definitely say it has a use; rum and Coke with lime after a nice dinner is fucking delicious, and the zero caffeine doesn't keep me awake at night.
I haven't seen Caffeine Free Coke Zero in any of my local stores for years so I'll be on the lookout for this new "zero caffeine, zero sugar" version.
there's still salt
Tastes delicious and isn't 250 cals a bottle you nerd.