There's a sweet spot in the corporate ladder. People at the bottom get the daily grunt work stuff that's time consuming and repetitive. People at the top end up with competing responsibilities so they spending most of their time in meetings about other meetings and arguing about planning to make decisions. It's right in the middle where you blend into the background and can spend half your work day in your underwear playing video games. And that's exactly where I like to live
Until you get too many middle managers vying to climb the corporate ladder. Then it's all meetings about the meeting in six months, that you'll need 3x daily meetings to prepare for. After the big meeting you have to do follow-up meetings for the next 6 months until they come up with an idea for another big meeting. All while creating and sending reports about the meetings to other managers and the c-suite. Which then triggers yet more meetings.
Oh and you must have weekly meetings with your subordinates to update them on results of the other meetings. Those meetings can't be at the same time as the safety meetings (you are doing those weekly right) or the corporate wide meetings that are called at least monthly.
Sure, if you're privileged enough to have a remote job and you're comfortable with getting a cheaper lifestyle through what essentially amounts to neocolonialism. But what about everyone else?
I know people from every country I've been to who are full-time travelers, including those you apparently consider "underprivileged", an epithet they would be offended by.
If an identical car costs $2,000 at one dealership and $20,000 at another, I'll buy the $2,000 one. You pay whatever you want.
Oh, so you're just a troll? I looked at you "community" And it's just you and you deleting things you don't agree with. That's not a community. Maybe you were trying to start a blog and got lost?
Anybody who would be offended by being referred to as underprivileged needs to be slapped in the face. It’s like being offended because somebody said you were running late. You either are running late or you aren’t, getting offended because somebody doesn’t understand your situation is just dumb.
Stop letting other people‘s opinions live rent free in your head. That was my point. If you get insulted because of somebody else’s opinion that’s your problem not their problem.
Worse though, saying that underprivileged is an insult is an insult to everybody who is underprivileged.
It's just financial success for the most part though, and it's not like "I've built generational wealth" financial success, just I can afford to live in this shithole country somewhat comfortably financial success. The amount of asshattery that one has to put up with to get to that point though tends to pile a ton of stress and extra work and general malcontent onto most people.
I would be so glad to be able to live in this shithole country somewhat comfortably. :( I don't doubt it's extra stress and extra work being higher up the "ladder", but it's hard to imagine it's more stressful than living paycheck-to-paycheck and having to make decisions about whether it's more urgent to pay for food or medication this week. One group worries about work decisions 8 hours a day (maybe more, if salaried or on call), the other worries about basic survival 24 hours a day.
You demote yourself back to an IC. And they'll let you do it. And most likely they'll let you keep your salary and just make up some god-tier IC role for you to fall into.
Don't let your job dictate how you can best do your job. You know your own capabilities best. If you're better in an IC role, demote yourself and do the thing that gives you purpose.
I tried climbing the ladder, every time I got a weight put on me that was responsibilities along with the low pay weight. I couldn't climb at best, back slid more often. Fuck that ladder.
I did this. Was a manager of a NOC. Been a sysadmin. Had good corporate jobs. Decided to jump off and start my own company. Now I'm sitting here in shorts and t shirt getting ready to head out of state to do a job for a couple hours before being back home for dinner. A nice way to spend the day, and being paid better then ever.
Start your own business, and get out. It's hard work, but you'll never be sorry to not have to suffer supervisory fools and toxic co-workers any longer.
That's not really a worry. Once you get old enough and assuming you don't reach the very top before they can axe you, odds are very good your bosses will simply let you go.
Another option: Get demoted. Move DOWN the ladder.
In my part of the world, I'm hearing about a lot of people getting what are essentially demotions, even though the terminology being used is typically a lot more rosy than that.
As these companies are doing massive layoffs, they're also restructuring to flatten the organizational charts. Basically direct managers/supervisors are being moved into IC roles (individual contributors aka non-managerial worker bees), directors are having to take on direct management of IC while also sometimes also having to take on a certain percent of the IC work, and so on up the chain.
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There's a sweet spot in the corporate ladder. People at the bottom get the daily grunt work stuff that's time consuming and repetitive. People at the top end up with competing responsibilities so they spending most of their time in meetings about other meetings and arguing about planning to make decisions. It's right in the middle where you blend into the background and can spend half your work day in your underwear playing video games. And that's exactly where I like to live
That's middle managers
Correct
Everyone at work hates you.
Yeah dude, I'm a Scrum Master. I've seen the memes
Hate me cuz they ain’t me
👆
Until you get too many middle managers vying to climb the corporate ladder. Then it's all meetings about the meeting in six months, that you'll need 3x daily meetings to prepare for. After the big meeting you have to do follow-up meetings for the next 6 months until they come up with an idea for another big meeting. All while creating and sending reports about the meetings to other managers and the c-suite. Which then triggers yet more meetings.
Oh and you must have weekly meetings with your subordinates to update them on results of the other meetings. Those meetings can't be at the same time as the safety meetings (you are doing those weekly right) or the corporate wide meetings that are called at least monthly.
Pregnancy
Easy
Quit and become destitute and homeless
Because apparently these days those are the only two options available
Always have been.
Jump
If you're "lucky" you have the golden parachute.
If not, well that's life.
Life abroad is a pretty sound strategy.
Sure, if you're privileged enough to have a remote job and you're comfortable with getting a cheaper lifestyle through what essentially amounts to neocolonialism. But what about everyone else?
I know people from every country I've been to who are full-time travelers, including those you apparently consider "underprivileged", an epithet they would be offended by.
If an identical car costs $2,000 at one dealership and $20,000 at another, I'll buy the $2,000 one. You pay whatever you want.
Check your assumptions.
I'm underprivileged, and I'm not offended by the truth. You need to check your assumptions.
The sincerest form of flattery.
Oh, so you're just a troll? I looked at you "community" And it's just you and you deleting things you don't agree with. That's not a community. Maybe you were trying to start a blog and got lost?
It sounds like you're mistaking communities; community engagement with travel is very encouraging so far.
Anybody who would be offended by being referred to as underprivileged needs to be slapped in the face. It’s like being offended because somebody said you were running late. You either are running late or you aren’t, getting offended because somebody doesn’t understand your situation is just dumb.
You want to slap underprivileged people you're insulting for understanding the world differently than you.
Executing your self-righteous violence without repercussion from your position of...what's the word...
I literally just said it’s not an insult. Don’t reply if you’re not going to read my comment.
Slapping those you've insulted will not convince them you were right.
Stop letting other people‘s opinions live rent free in your head. That was my point. If you get insulted because of somebody else’s opinion that’s your problem not their problem.
Worse though, saying that underprivileged is an insult is an insult to everybody who is underprivileged.
according to Peter's principle you don't get to get back down, you fall down
It’s hard to feel bad for anyone stuck in a position of relative success. For many of us, there’s simply no way to relate to such an issue.
It's just financial success for the most part though, and it's not like "I've built generational wealth" financial success, just I can afford to live in this shithole country somewhat comfortably financial success. The amount of asshattery that one has to put up with to get to that point though tends to pile a ton of stress and extra work and general malcontent onto most people.
I would be so glad to be able to live in this shithole country somewhat comfortably. :( I don't doubt it's extra stress and extra work being higher up the "ladder", but it's hard to imagine it's more stressful than living paycheck-to-paycheck and having to make decisions about whether it's more urgent to pay for food or medication this week. One group worries about work decisions 8 hours a day (maybe more, if salaried or on call), the other worries about basic survival 24 hours a day.
You gotta apply to another company now. There's no way back down in the same company that won't piss people off.
Golden parachute
You demote yourself back to an IC. And they'll let you do it. And most likely they'll let you keep your salary and just make up some god-tier IC role for you to fall into.
Don't let your job dictate how you can best do your job. You know your own capabilities best. If you're better in an IC role, demote yourself and do the thing that gives you purpose.
Jump
I tried climbing the ladder, every time I got a weight put on me that was responsibilities along with the low pay weight. I couldn't climb at best, back slid more often. Fuck that ladder.
What's this from. I love it
Scrubs!
I did this. Was a manager of a NOC. Been a sysadmin. Had good corporate jobs. Decided to jump off and start my own company. Now I'm sitting here in shorts and t shirt getting ready to head out of state to do a job for a couple hours before being back home for dinner. A nice way to spend the day, and being paid better then ever.
Start your own business, and get out. It's hard work, but you'll never be sorry to not have to suffer supervisory fools and toxic co-workers any longer.
Sorry, can't relate. Not even sure what her problem is. "Boo-hoo I earn too much money & don't know how to stop!"
The money doesn't match the work ever. The whole ladder/pyramid is a scam
You could take the corporate parachute over there or the corporate zip line over here!
*golden parachute
Quit, sell all your shit, and move to another country, start back over.
Suggest something that would make things better long term, but hurt next quarters numbers. You'll be back on the bottom of that ladder inside a week.
You dont, you just stand on top, pissing on everyone below you, because you hate yourself.
Yep. I just took a leap. Worked out fine.
Start killing people for fun and use drugs in office
Oh, aren't you supposed to pull it up instead?
That's not really a worry. Once you get old enough and assuming you don't reach the very top before they can axe you, odds are very good your bosses will simply let you go.
Another option: Get demoted. Move DOWN the ladder.
In my part of the world, I'm hearing about a lot of people getting what are essentially demotions, even though the terminology being used is typically a lot more rosy than that.
As these companies are doing massive layoffs, they're also restructuring to flatten the organizational charts. Basically direct managers/supervisors are being moved into IC roles (individual contributors aka non-managerial worker bees), directors are having to take on direct management of IC while also sometimes also having to take on a certain percent of the IC work, and so on up the chain.
A noose. Or C4 if you’re feeling adventurous.
You’re almost there, don’t quit now