Microsoft finally agrees Windows 11 has problems, and K2 is its plan to fix them, claims report
Let's hope it's actually true.
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That's what they said a month ago, then they decided that 'remove copilot from notepad' meant 'rename copilot in notepad'.
I remember reading that plan and being shocked about how good it sounded. And then they did the exact opposite of every single thing they promised, which I'm sure endeared themselves to all their enterprise customers.
So sure, I welcome Microsoft's attempts to finally drag itself back into relevancy, but they've got a massive self-inflicted foot wound that's gonna complicate matters.
Well, when Microsoft finally admits they're wrong they usually backtrack well enough. Think windows 8/8.1
It was still an ugly pig with lipstick but the worst parts like the start screen were gone.
Wasn't 8.1 basically the same except the start button was back on the taskbar instead of hidden behind a weird gesture?
Yup
No, the start menu was back, in 8 it was a big full screen affair that was ridiculously big on a 24" monitor
Oh noooooo 8 was much more than lipstick. No, that was a giant inflatable space pig rushed out the door with the body of a moose and Constructed of fine mesh.
Fascinating to watch the car crash though.
That was a different time when they were getting the smackdown from Janet Reno.
"drag itself back into relevancy"
They still have some like a little more than 90% market share. That seems pretty relevant to me.
Reminds me of this: https://youtu.be/OccgHwPwwjo
That has to be sarcasm, right?
It doesn't say that it actually does. Just knows.
*rename course.
There, fixed it. 😁
It is now couscous
Lmfao they “removed” LLM bullshit from Notepad by removing the Copilot branding and making it less prominent.
LLM.
In Notepad.
“Fixed” with… product branding and marketing revisions.
Get the fuck out of here, Microslop.
Uh. I think I found the issue. A menu isn't even supposed to have various degrees of responsiveness.
Yeah. 60% more responsive for something infamous for taking multiple seconds to launch is depressingly bad. That's "not even trying" levels of improvement.
The start menu should open essentially instantly (excluding optional animations) – 100 ms is good, 200 ms is somewhat adequate. They're aiming for somewhere between 400 and 1200 ms.
I hope for them that they underpromise and overdeliver because this does not inspire confidence.
For a menu to take longer than 200ms is ridiculous. At 500ms of wait for my menu to show, the OS is getting nuked.
As for the 'inspire confidence',when was the last time MS inspired anything that was not disgust? Excluding the C-suite and some investors, of course.
Some of the newer C# features are nice. Of course .Net is not handled by the same people who keep setting Windows on fire.
I have seen my work laptop take upwards of 30 seconds to open the start menu. I want to crush it office-space style. 32g of ram and it apparently swaps the launcher!
Now that's out there. Wao! Very sorry you're having to deal with that, honestly.
If you must use Windows OpenShell is your friend.
What ever happened to Windows 10 being the last OS you’d ever need?
But it's true!
10 was the last one you needed. 11 and onwards is neither needed nor wanted. Also people are starting to realize the power of Linux (+Wine/Proton)
It is the last windows I needed.
Ha gottem
They couldn't cram as many ads as they wanted into it.
The same that happened to 640k of memory
Different management.
That will be the last Windows I'll use. When windows 10 stopped working then I'll switch to Linux full time.
Well never upgraded to 11.. So...
Aww, and I finally just moved over to Linux.
If you're happy on Linux, stay on Linux. This is Microsoft's "I can change baby, I swear" play. Just like they did after Windows 8. And Windows Vista. And Windows ME.
Surely they have learned their lessons and will never intentionally tank their product in the name of profit again. Surely this time.
More like "aww yeah"
Lol. Me too. I mean, I've been running primarily Linux for decades, now this single press release will have me watching for Windows 13 with interest. (This is hopefully obviously sarcasm - meant only to give you a laugh and maybe help you feel chill about whatever you do for your next OS.)
Just stay on Linux. Microslop won't actually fix anything.
We’re truly better off where we are
User: the updates keep breaking my system, I see AI and ads everywhere and stupid electron apps use all my RAM
MS execs: I know! Let's rewrite the start menu again!
To be fair, using react for it was just an odd decision to begin with.
Yeah, React Native exists basically for the sole purpose of making things multiplatform easily. A menu that's specifically made for one operating system is only getting the downsides.
Valve: We just gonna release linux-based gaming miniPC.
The rest of the market:
Gamers rise up moment
But then sit back down when you see the state of IT retail
Thats the furrys problem, not the gamers
Customizable for whom?
Users? Advertisers?
Windows users will be soon, for the first time ever, able to put the task bar on any edge of the screen, imagine that for customization.
you could do that in XP I'm pretty sure. Can you not do that in 11?
That's the joke, all you can do in 11 is move the icons to the left or leave em in the center. XP, 7, 10, all allowed task bar movement to any edge of screen
“Ok, ok, we hear you, no more copilot.
Meet: sidepilot.”
Who cares if it's true? Just ditch windows already
Exactly. Too fucking late.
I switched to Linux two years ago, never looked back and will never ever spend my own money on Microsoft products again. They violated my trust so I abandoned them.
Maybe this time my abusive spouse won’t beat me. I just need to go home. They’ve changed. They promise.
So Windows 11 Service Pack 2? Or just win11.1?
I think they should call it 'The Windows 11 Apology Tour'.
How MS is a still a thing and still turns a profit is beyond me.
Vendor lock in and government bribery.
Helping Israel commit genocide, for one.
Did y’all miss this past week where they disabled their flagship egg-basket for 1.5 billion people on purpose?
Yeah they made Copilot chromium-browser only for about 5 days. On purpose. Or, the less charitable version is they just rolled out a bug that broke things for a massive amount of people, kept the news reports down, and waited a week before being convinced that was a Dumb As Fuck move.
Everyone has to learn this in their own ways but tech people always get there eventually: microsoft is, and always has been, awful.
It’s like learning HP printers are awful.
To be fair old HP laserjets are still good printers 20 years later.. Newer models? Trash
I had an HP laser printer pre 2000, the thing was built like a tank and just always worked
I had to buy a printer recently to replace a used one from the 90's that I'd been happily using for the past decade, and decided to go with a fairly new laser brother printer. I plugged it in and, magically, it really did just work, even on Linux.
The nail in the coffin for me was, when I got an add for some copilot course shit, on Microsoft teams, (this was on my work pc btw) with notifications ringing everywhere btw, on a fucking business account (I am using Linux at my household, not fucking microslop). That was IT for me. How they have the audacity to do so, is beyond me.
They figure once they have a captive audience, anything short of killing the hostage is fair game.
Actually, it seems that even killing the hostage is fair game.
Microsoft Copilot Tells User Suicide Is an Option - https://futurism.com/the-byte/microsoft-copilot-user-suicide
Maybe it's the best way out of Microsoft anyways, since it seems like a too big "obsticle" for any company out there. Never heard of anyone saying Teams is awesome, yet they all love microslop365
Plot twist: They're gonna double down on vibe coding it.
Oh good, that'll bring it all the way up to a third as responsive as the Windows 7 one was.
Let's not forget that Win7 was almost 25% as responsive as Win2k3, which could even hold a candle to GNOME.
first line is hilarious
'Say what you will about tech billionaires, but when their wrong they really know how to double down and lose their market share'...
they never let people around them to question thier decision, its always sycophants top down.
It's real this time, like really, they meant it this time... Finally!
...
no more copilot: i'm the pilot now
They could put a built-in linux installer
imagine if every pc got pre-installed with an ISO that asks "windows or linux" before installing anything instead of defaulting to windows like they do now. that would be awesome
Imagine that also on a phone. Pure awesomeness
why would you ever want windows on your phone?
I was thinking about choosing default android, pure aosp, lineageos, graphene...
No, it's not Windows fault. Microsoft has problems, needs to be fixed.
Wow, a mysterious set of updates that'll fix everything, without any release date or explanation?
Yeah nah, it'll be great if it works out but something tells me it might just not. Taking on SteamOS.... Good luck with that.
ffs, all I'm hearing is that they plan to fuck with it a lot in upcoming months, which can only be bad news
K2, the synthetic analog of THC?
Bold move Cotton, let's see how it works out for 'em.
Windows 12 must be around the corner
And just like everything since windows xp, it’s a an iterative change from the last version with arbitrary things that are broken and only about 3/4 of the way through the product’s life do the features improve to the around the level of promise that was initially made, save for the stuff that’s been removed or intentionally broken to stifle interoperability, or stuffed with advertising.