I've seen a few articles written about it. One was basically explaining that in anonymous spaces like 4chan, being fluent in the "language" is a way to signal that you belong since you have no identity tied to your social status. As that language seeps into the mainstream, it becomes less valuable as a signal to the in group and therefore new words and phrases need to be created to keep the language as esoteric as possible. There was a lot of musing on whether these phrases getting picked up in more mainstream uses normalizes these groups, or whether it's more a form of mockery that takes away legitimacy.
it is very interesting indeed, but then again most people i’ve seen studying linguistics are some mix of the following: female, queer, alternative, left, feminist. which means that for most the manosphere and its hostile language is pure horror.
i absolutely despise the fact that pretty normal people have started the hatred nazi misogyny speak and talk about …maxxing and being …pilled.
-pilled comes from red-pilled which is a reference to The Matrix, created by the Wachowski sisters, who latter declared it to be heavily influenced by their experiences as transitionin women, so the public using it is just taking it back from the losers.
As a cis-male linguistics student I can confidently say that this is not the case. An ostensibly female, blue-haired, feminist friend wrote her bachelor thesis about classifying reddit users in r/asmongold by language and the correlating amount of engagement in discourse in said community to see if she can form groups by classifying them by language and find out if she can form a relation between those groups and the topics (gaming, "politics", misogyny, racism, etc.) they talk about.
first of all, i’m sorry if i created the impression that all linguists were female (and the other attributes i mentioned). rather i was trying to say that an overwhelming majority of the people starting linguistics at my uni carried at least some of the attributes i mentioned. (a very unscientific observation over the last five years)
please elaborate on what is not the case.
you mention a bachelor thesis, but not the result. can you give a quick summary of what she found?
All good, I think I phrased my comment in a confusing way :)
It is true that the humanities have a higher percentage than other fields. I just wanted to add that many female linguists that I know are also dialed into the manosphere/incel/4chan speak even though they are the target of this dehumanising language, kind of in a morbidly curious way lol. Many of my acquaintances are also organising politically, which probably adds to this. As for the results, I sadly haven't met her in a while, I'm sorry.
Ohh and I added the cis-male part to clarify that the information is just second hand.
I don't feel strongly positively or negatively about it, but if it's spoken with clear intent to diminish me, I like that person and their application of the phrase less.
Words are just words. It's how and why they're used that matters.
I’m not sure if I should feel ashamed for understanding this without the translation.
Also, for anyone wanting an indirect education on this language, go listen to the Behind the Bastards podcast on Clavicular, it does a great job explaining the infiltration of incel language (which is mostly what the meme is) into the lexicon and talking about Clavicular.
Worth a listen, not because we need to understand the words, but because we get to understand where they came from and the toxicity of incel groups.
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I wonder how many linguistics are in the manosphere for purely academic reasons. It must be amazing seeing a language evolve at basically hyperspeed
I've seen a few articles written about it. One was basically explaining that in anonymous spaces like 4chan, being fluent in the "language" is a way to signal that you belong since you have no identity tied to your social status. As that language seeps into the mainstream, it becomes less valuable as a signal to the in group and therefore new words and phrases need to be created to keep the language as esoteric as possible. There was a lot of musing on whether these phrases getting picked up in more mainstream uses normalizes these groups, or whether it's more a form of mockery that takes away legitimacy.
That’s true for every group of people, especially young people.
Every family has their own words or phrases only they use.
it is very interesting indeed, but then again most people i’ve seen studying linguistics are some mix of the following: female, queer, alternative, left, feminist. which means that for most the manosphere and its hostile language is pure horror.
i absolutely despise the fact that pretty normal people have started the hatred nazi misogyny speak and talk about …maxxing and being …pilled.
-pilled comes from red-pilled which is a reference to The Matrix, created by the Wachowski sisters, who latter declared it to be heavily influenced by their experiences as transitionin women, so the public using it is just taking it back from the losers.
that’s a very interesting point of view i didn’t consider yet. thanks!
Nothing wrong with twinkmaxxing if you're queerpilled
As a cis-male linguistics student I can confidently say that this is not the case. An ostensibly female, blue-haired, feminist friend wrote her bachelor thesis about classifying reddit users in r/asmongold by language and the correlating amount of engagement in discourse in said community to see if she can form groups by classifying them by language and find out if she can form a relation between those groups and the topics (gaming, "politics", misogyny, racism, etc.) they talk about.
first of all, i’m sorry if i created the impression that all linguists were female (and the other attributes i mentioned). rather i was trying to say that an overwhelming majority of the people starting linguistics at my uni carried at least some of the attributes i mentioned. (a very unscientific observation over the last five years)
please elaborate on what is not the case.
you mention a bachelor thesis, but not the result. can you give a quick summary of what she found?
All good, I think I phrased my comment in a confusing way :) It is true that the humanities have a higher percentage than other fields. I just wanted to add that many female linguists that I know are also dialed into the manosphere/incel/4chan speak even though they are the target of this dehumanising language, kind of in a morbidly curious way lol. Many of my acquaintances are also organising politically, which probably adds to this. As for the results, I sadly haven't met her in a while, I'm sorry. Ohh and I added the cis-male part to clarify that the information is just second hand.
ah, i see, thanks!
On the internet, nobody can tell you're not a scumbag
What is a foid?
As a moid I'm disgusted to learn that there's such a thing being passed around. 🤢
Oh, totally. I encounter people telling suicidal people to kill themselves on a not so rare basis.
Uh, thank you. I expected something way weirder ans offensive.
Ok now what's a roastie...
I mean those terms hyper escaped the Nazi roots and are now just out there, only related to it if they're used in that way
Somehow it makes even less sense with the explanation.
At least I understand the words in the explanation.
But who the duck dislike being called a good boy?
bad boys
Bad boys
Whatcha gonna do
Whatcha gonna do when they come for you
I don't feel strongly positively or negatively about it, but if it's spoken with clear intent to diminish me, I like that person and their application of the phrase less.
Words are just words. It's how and why they're used that matters.
If someone tries to belittle you by calling you ‘good boy’ you look them square in the eyes and tell them “pardon me but I’m the best boy actually”
I believe its called "fragile masculinity".
i understood everything. (30, no social media apart from lemmy)
please euthanise me
Nop
original post this is attempting to jack the style of:
“Clavicular was mid jestergooning when a group of Foids came and spiked his Cortisol levels 😭
Is Ignoring the Foids while munting and mogging Moids more useful then SMV chadfishing in the club?”
One possible correction: given that this is a streamer, I'm guessing they're referring to ASU the video game.
I think he just like hanging out at ASU. He met with ASU's frat leader some time I think.
I feel like I need a shower followed by a nice loooong bike ride after reading that...
I think I just became a tiny bit stupider.
It has the feeling of reading the Folger annotated Shakespeare editions.
folger annotated? does macbeth get with his sister or something?
we love a folgercest ref
i like a website full of people as old as me. it feels like 2011 in here 24/7
It's a common edition used in US schools that has the original text on the right page and glosses/context on the left.
OK. This new "incomprehensible" slang is actually very readable to me. There are Gen X slang/slur combos that make much less sense.
It's just an explanation of incel terminology.
I guess so, but I've also made the amazing decision to get black out drunk I. the morning and stay that way, I dunno anymore
Totally tubular brah
CURTAINS FOR ZOOSHA? K-Smog and Batboy caught flipping a grunt
i love that tweet so much
I’m not sure if I should feel ashamed for understanding this without the translation.
Also, for anyone wanting an indirect education on this language, go listen to the Behind the Bastards podcast on Clavicular, it does a great job explaining the infiltration of incel language (which is mostly what the meme is) into the lexicon and talking about Clavicular.
Worth a listen, not because we need to understand the words, but because we get to understand where they came from and the toxicity of incel groups.
E: I know spotify sucks, but here:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/55PfWsZjNenVzM0jIshyAL
https://open.spotify.com/episode/55PfWsZjNenVzM0jIshyAL
If someone has links to non-corpo-trash streaming feel free to share.
A modern day Jabberwocky.
Don't worry if you understand it - the point of Jabberwocky is that we can figure out so much nonsense through context.
I more or less understood, but tbh the explanation was incredibly helpful.
It helped me with understanding, but not with caring.
The one thing I did not understand was ASU. And now I understand why, it's the acronym of a school name in the States.