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The Political Left Has An Antisemitism Problem And It Makes Me Sick (Reddit Post)

EDIT: Being neurodivergent is a giant pain in the ass.

I linked to a Reddit post instead of just making the post here, because I find making posts on Reddit easier. The post composition screen on Piefed has too many fields; it is too cluttered and “busy” for me. I feel drained when I make a post here. I have some cognitive disabilities which I think are to blame.

I didn’t realize that linking to a post on Reddit would piss everybody off. Fuck me for struggling to execute basic executive functions, I guess 🤷‍♂️

Maybe I just need to forget about posting here and go back to using my dormant Mastodon account.

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lemmy.ca

These sorts of takes are funny to me.

You can oppose Iran's Regime, without being an Islamaphobe, based on Iran's brutal authoritarian theocratic regime and its blatant disregard for individual human rights. But in the West, we can't oppose Israel's brutal authoritarian theocratic regime without being called an antisemite by israeli fundamentalists/lobby groups (basically due to foreign interference).

People who gleefully commit genocide should be condemned, period. Israel's desire to make everyone think that all Jews are represented by the actions of Israel, is to encourage prejudice towards all Jews based on Israel's actions. By trying to force the world/public of Western nations to identify all of Israel's actions as inseparable from the Jewish people, anywhere, they are encouraging antisemitism by virtue of how heinous Israel's current regime's actions are. Jewish groups outside of Israel should be condemning Israel's actions openly, to put distance between the faith and Israel's regime, if they want to quell "antisemitism" abroad. You see some Jewish leaders of conscience doing just this -- Bernie Sanders in the USA, and Avi Lewis in Canada, as two examples. It's too bad it's "antisemitic" to agree and support these Jewish leaders, apparently, if Israel's baloney is to be believed.

Your post attempts to differentiate between Zionists and Jews. Western nations and Jewish lobby groups have decided those two terms are interchangeable, with people criticising zionism facing the same sort of censorship and backlash from Israeli lobby groups, claiming antisemitism. YOU differentiating the terms is all well and good, but so long as ISRAEL is lobbying to try and equate the two, and demanding punishment/consequences internationally for anyone condemning Israel's actions through the guise of "antisemitism", it's not a left-wing problem: it's an Israeli problem. Jewish people have an antisemitism problem, born out of Israel's lobbying to drag them all down into being genocide supporters.

If you really want to push for people to dis-entangle the two, you'd need to have Jewish lobby groups in Western nations, and Jewish faith leaders in Western nations, come out clearly and decisively against what's going on in Israel, and to be very overt about distancing themselves from those atrocities. What we see, outside of a few individual leaders, is a Jewish community that is largely silent and complicit with their faith being used as a shield for atrocities.

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Great to hear -- wish it was more common all over the place.

Like when muslim terrorists were all the rage, muslims stood the heck up and said "YO, NO, That's not US!!", and in many regions (like where I am) they put on all sorts of cool cultural community events to invite people to celebrate the positives of the religion, and to disavow/condemn the actions of those extremist elements. They started putting any temple leader that spoke along radical lines on blast in social media/reported the hate to the authorities. They addressed the issue, and did a great job of it.

The common approach we're seeing from Israel/Jewish folks, is to sue and litigate anyone that questions the Israeli regime. We're seeing back-channel levers pulled to censor free speech in western countries on the subject. We see jewish folks trying to get any cultural symbol of arabs in that region, including basic things like "a scarf with a black and white checkered pattern" (keffiyeh) considered as a hate symbol for antisemitism, and anyone that wears these things punished -- here in Canada, we've had jewish folks use that one to get people kicked out of things like Hockey games (which is tantamount to sacrilege by Canadian standards! Hockey is for everyone!!!). It's an incredibly negative, punitive, and adversarial approach for the most part. So it really shouldn't be too surprising that there's a negative response.

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scribe.disroot.org

Did you not expect this to be removed? Why link to reddit if you're the author and can just copy the post to here in its entirety?

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Try it again. You should be able to view the post now.

As for why I am linking to a Reddit post instead of just making the post here, I find making posts on Reddit easier. The post composition screen on Piefed has too many fields; it is too cluttered and “busy” for me. I feel drained when I make a post here. I have some cognitive disabilities which I think are to blame.

As much as I hate Big Tech and Big Social Media, I do most of my posting on Facebook because it is quick and easy to do so—the barrier to entry is lower than over here on Piefed.

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programming.dev

Haven't seen antisemitism on the left personally, but I don't use Facebook :) I do wonder how widespread it is, and what flavor of "left." I would guess tankie/authoritarian-left.

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The big one over on Facebook is refusing to differentiate between Jews and Zionists; using those terms interchangeably as if they are the same thing.

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quokk.au

As seen on the notorious leftist hangout, Facebook

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Shows what you know. There is actually quite the vibrant leftist community on Facebook. And the majority of the users are not antisemitic bigots—but there are enough bigots to cause some concern.

“Leftbook” is actually quite vibrant!

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Yes. Lemmy is not better than Reddit. Just fanatics and bots with a different coat of paint.

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