Trump ‘threatens to stop’ weapons for Ukraine unless Europe joins Hormuz coalition
The US president has “threatened to stop” supplying weapons for Ukraine to pressure European allies to join a “coalition of the willing” to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, the Financial Times reports, quoting people briefed on the discussions.
According to the report, Trump threatened to stop supplies to NATO’s weapons procurement initiative for Ukraine, which is funded by European countries.
On Tuesday, US Secretary of State Marco Rubio told Al Jazeera it was “very disappointing” that NATO allies such as Spain blocked the use of their airspace and bases for the US-Israel war on Iran. He warned that Washington will re-examine the value of NATO after the war is over.
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Just imagine what he will do as soon as he thinks that this lever will work!
Why should this lever not work?
Nobody is sending their soldiers to die for his impulsive, poorly thought out war. especially after he has spent years antagonizing allies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory
Wouldn't the billionaires tell the Republicans to start an impeachment if the war was just Trump's idea? It's like the ballroom. Turns out, it wasn't Trump's idea to tear down the East Wing.
Yeah it was pitched to him. We know Lindsey coached Israel on how to sell the war to Trump. But he did ultimately agree to it and he's the commander-in-chief so its ultimately his responsibility. No other president agreed to this stupidity.
CEOs continue to brown nose him despite his tariffs being bad for business as he at the least will rubber stamp their mergers and other anti-consumer policies.
It's Trump's responsibility but others could intervene. Soldiers don't have to execute illegal orders and Congress doesn't have to finance the war and the media can become much more critical and can call for a general strike.
The elite agrees with Trump.
The Euros will not allow their their remaining surface fleet to be sunk in a suicide mission in Hormuz, no matter how much they glaze Ukraine
Nov, but they might decide to do a suicide mission in the ukraine in a desperate attempt to stop any blowback from nazi terrorcells deciding they lost the war bc of germany and wanting to retaliate.
The year is
19452027 and it's a mad dash to the Nazi capitol to prevent those dirty Russians from being the sole captors and thus being free to ask some very uncomfortable questions.Also how can the western powers possibly run NATO and develop aerospace technology without pardoned nazis-in-exile?
Wait a minute...
Why would trump care about a coalition to reopen the strait, if oil prices are going to come "tumbling down" regardless? What an idiot.
Imagine if Iran just kept the strait closed lmao
That's what they're doing. It's not actually closed the iraniana just demand a bribe to be let through. Their peace offer is for everyone to accept a toll to go through. China russia and india dont care they just buy the cheap iranian oil with a bribe and it's still cheaper than what us and Europe are paying for gas from SA
It's a two-tier system. Friendly countries - China, Russia, Malaysia and Bangladesh - don't even need to pay the toll. 'Neutral' countries like India, Indonesia, etc. can transport oil after paying the toll. US and its allies don't get oil, toll or no toll.
Seems fair to me.
Also there's the alternative way which Iran offered: kick out the American and Israeli embassadors.
Iran is playing 5D chess whilst Trump's America is playing Tic-tac-toe.
the allies also don't need to pay a toll if they kick out the us bases from their countries.
Yes, but then the US army will pay you a visit instead of Iran, and unless you've been spending the last decade building tunnels and drones it probably won't work out as well for you.
definately true for the global south, but i wonder if it's the same for the uk or france or germany
No because they're laready there
Hopefully us military will be decimated after Iran is done with them.
Hahahahahahahahaahaahahahahahahh its a toll, and guess why the price jumped lmao
look at how much you have to "bribe" the europeans to pass through their country
https://www.tolls.eu/toll-calculator
Except it's not their territorial waters. They want to extort this fee even if they do not enter Iranian territory.
Well it's not through iran, it's through international waters, hence why they didn't charge a toll before and now it can be called a bribe
It's shared territorial waters, which is not the same as international waters. Learn what a word means before lecturing others on it.
Okay sorry reading a comment is like a lecture for you
huh??? Are you saying Iran doesn't have control over it's half of the strait of hormuz?? Are you perhaps confused with territorial waters??
He has advanced dementia. You're trying to find logic where none exists.
So let me see if I understand this whole situation:
Do I have this right?
No it's
Ohhh so the US IS capable of conditioning aid.
Whoa, let's not jump to conclusions here. Like everything trump says, don't believe it until theres actual evidence to prove its true, and it was peer reviewed by 10 non-republicans that have never bent the knee.
Coalition of the threatened.
Trump reeks of flop sweat at present. The desperation is notable even from my vantage point in Australia.
You do realize that Ukraine has more cutting edge tech at the new way of war that the US. The EU is getting more weapons from Ukraine and they are building factories in the EU
It's not just that.
Everyone and their mother knows that Iran had close networks with Russia and China. The fact that NO ONE in the West seemed to have learned anything or at least took inspiration from the Ukraine-Russian Conflict is testament to the stagnancy in the West.
Name some examples
Have you seen what they've been doing with drones my guy?
That's not an example of them having superior cutting edge tech, which is what I asked you to provide if it was so obvious
Drone warfare is example in of cutting edge technology. It doesn't have to be hard electric technology, but the technology of how war is being waged. Using 100 of cheap small drones to stop air attacks from large drones instead of patriot missiles. Creating zones where the enemy can't go it because of drone coverage. Wiping out a 3rd of a countries nuclear capabilities in one attack. Even while oil is at an all time high Russia can't take advantage of it because Ukraine is destroying ports making it almost impossible to ship oil out.
True info about Ukraine is limited on Lemmy.ml. Pretty sure that he/she missed something.
What do you mean by true info and limited how so?
Don't tell me that local admins and moderators stopped filling this instance with propaganda about how russia is good and Ukraine is bad. And also removing as much posts/comments as possible that even try to state otherwise. The only community(of which I am aware of) that sometimes tells about some news related to Ukraine is the World News comunity on Lemmy.ml.
So, unless you are visiting other instances, you are not getting much info about what is happening in the Ukraine.
P. S. If you know a community that actively posts true information about Ukraine on Lemmy.ml, I will glad to see it and reconsider some of my views.
There is a Ukraine community, but such a black-and-white perception of how Ukraine is discussed on Lemmy.ml does tell me all I need to know.
I asked to show it, not to just tell about it and dissappear. Otherwise your words have no value. + prove otherwise that on Lemmy.ml you don't have flaws that I described higher.
Watch, their response is gonna be "Don't let the front door hit you where the Good Lord split you."
As an American, I hope they stonewall him. Let him and Bibi humiliate themselves.
But I thought European countries were too weak to be useful in a fight?
And also if European countries weren't willing to deploy troops to the Ukrainian theater why would they to this one