Spyke
lemmy.world

The actual details are bonkers

According to the Daily Caller, the executive order would require the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security to compile a list of verified U.S. citizens in each state who are eligible to vote. DHS would undertake the effort with the Social Security Administration, the Daily Caller wrote, citing a White House fact sheet.

The U.S. Postal Service would then be required under the order to only send mail-in ballots to voters who appear on the list, according to the Daily Caller. Election authorities in each state typically send out mail ballots to voters, not the Postal Service.

Aside from being blatantly illegal, I bet if you dig into this you will find that the contracts have been given to all of Musk's friends, using all the SSA data they stole

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Oops a "technical glitch" accidentally removed all Democrats. Can't redo the election though, sorry. We'll do better Next Time™©®

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osannareply
lemmy.vg

I'd like to think that elon would end up prison for all the shit he's done, at least when the dems get back in...... at some point. But the democrats are spineless cowards.

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Remember during the 2024 election when Musk literally cried on stage at a Trump rally while he was begging people to vote for Trump because "if Trump loses I will get locked in prison".

Yeah, Doge annihilating every enforcement and investigation organization in the government makes a lot more sense with that info, right?

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Though highly contested, a Supreme Court ruling sidesteps the electoral process, disqualifying popular presidential candidates from several states.

-Shattered Union intro

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lemmy.world

Isn’t USPS set to collapse very soon? I was surprised when I got a flyer in the mail they were hiring. I live in a state that ONLY does mail in voting too so I’m double confused/worried about this

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dhorkreply
lemmy.world

The USPS financial situation is complicated. It has a legal monopoly on first-class letter delivery, but that is less and less valuable every year as more simple communications move to the Internet. And it is also the only government agency that not only has to fund its own retirement benefits for its employees, but has to plan to put money away now to help cover retirement needs over the next 75 years.

Take away that retirement funding mandate, which no other agency has, and the USPS is profitable most years.

Making things worse is that the USPS has its own debt limit, separate from the Federal debt limit, which it is right up against right now.

So yes, they lose money, but mainly due to constraints set by Congress, that no other agency has.

Analysis here: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-us-postal-services-fiscal-crisis/

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mainly due to constraints set by Congress, that no other agency has

In other words, it's been deliberately sabotaged.

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My local usps has had a broken front window for about 6 months. It’s covered with plywood with no signs of planned repair.

The building was broken into about 2 months ago and a number of PO Boxes were severely damaged.

They want to kill off everything except police enforcement.

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hperrinreply
lemmy.ca

He’s a felon, but they allow felons to vote in Florida.

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They do, after an onerous and capricious process that can end in an "I don't feel like giving you that right back".

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Lodespawnreply
aussie.zone

What? Felons should be allowed to vote, they are still citizens ..

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hperrinreply
lemmy.ca

I agree in every case except Donald Trump.

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Lodespawnreply
aussie.zone

Yeah theres probably more pressing things he should be deprived of though ..

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Pennomireply
lemmy.world

Nah, even the worst among us should be allowed to vote. But we should have a system that rewards responsible candidates rather than those who cause problems.

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hperrinreply
lemmy.ca

He led an insurrection against the United States government. To me, that is enough to lose all of your rights.

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Yeah, except it’s also easy to flip that around. What if Trump decided to classify various things he didn’t like as an insurrection, and use that to justify removing voter rights?

It’s far better to simply allow every person to vote, regardless of their history. That means an oppressive regime can’t game the system in that way.

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mr_robotreply
lemmy.world

Incorrect. Felons are by default not allowed to vote in Florida. Only after a long and rarely granted process, hinging around the personal whims of a state panel that rarely grants it, are voting rights restored.

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lemmy.world

And his excuse was because work was important. Which is exactly why everyone else wants this.

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Kinda makes you just want to beat the ever hating snott out of a fat overgrown adult oompa loompa, doesn't it?

Now for legal reasons, I'm NOT advocating for violence against the president.

Buuuuuut, hypothetically, just hypothetically, I imagine the fist to face ratio would deliver a very satisfying crunch on your knuckles, if you WERE to punch a 34x convicted felon. Hypothetically, you'd likely have an orange fist after the sun tan wipes off on your hand. Hypothetically, this unnamed 34x felon with bizarely orange suntan, would likely make a satisfying crumple onto the ground. But it's ok, because this unidentified unnamed hypothetical example is ALSO a pedophile, with pending sexual assault charges pending, involving minors. Hypothetically, this is a man who destroyed childrens innocence, took their childhood from them, and then was forced daily to see their abuser on tv facing no consequences. At times even bragging about their crimes. Hypothetically. So punching this hypothetical monster of a "human" would not only be justified, it would be a god damn patriotic thing to do, to confront someone who raped American children. So hypothetically, if you broke their nose while punching their face, I imagine you would instantly become a national hero and icon.

..........guys! I want to punch trump in his stupid face.

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I thought his excuse was "I am the President so fuck you"

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Trump has told Republicans that they will lose the November midterm elections if they don't pass the bill and crack down on mail-in voting.

You know, any normal person might take such confidence that they'll lose an election as a sign that maybe they're doing the wrong things.

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plz1reply
lemmy.world

Nope, they take it as a sign of not doing enough wrong things.

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depends who you are. If you're dumpy and co, nothing is wrong. Everything they do is god's good word. If you're, you know, a person with a conscience, a lot is wrong.

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zd9reply
lemmy.world

Congratulations! Welcome to... The List

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I_Jedireply
lemmy.today

It's times like these I'm glad I'm not on Reddit anymore.

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eviltoast.org

Yeah they’d be modded and banned for sure. That’s how I found this place! Here people can express their true opinions. I’m definitely on some lists myself haha. But seriously, it’s an opinion. He’s not actively calling for violence or anyone to actually do it, but I also agree he deserves to have his throat slit. He’s caused much more pain and suffering needlessly upon an innumerable amount of people. Those Epstein files, fucking disgusting. Throat slitting is the least of which he deserves. His crimes are beyond atrocious and treasonous.

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I_Jedireply
lemmy.today

I still hold the belief that prion disease (like CJD) is the best way for him to go. It has several advantages over getting his throat slit:

  • Someone with a slit throat will die on the spot. Someone with CJD will experience a slow and painful death over several months as they lose control of their body.
  • Trump no doubt has so much security that someone going for the throat is impossible. Prions can appear for anybody; it doesn't matter how careful you are.
  • Related to the above, Trump would spend his last months doing everything in his power to cure himself of prion disease. But literally nothing would be able to save him.
  • And when Trump dies of prion disease, his brain could be donated to science, so that scientists can research more on how prions work. I'm sure Trump would hate that.
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OwOarchistreply
pawb.social

Trump no doubt has so much security that someone going for the throat is impossible.

Unless it's the security who does it...

when Trump dies of prion disease, his brain could be donated to science, so that scientists can research more on how prions work. I’m sure Trump would hate that.

Couldn't be donated without his consent, so no.

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I_Jedireply
lemmy.today

Oh, you never know. I can see a conservatorship donating his brain.

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It would have to be stored in a lead box to keep the evil inside, even after death.

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If he dies before the midterms it drives down the blue vote and the GOP gets to stay in power.

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A lot of people are hoping very much that his next cheeseburdler will get the job done.

Come on cheesy, you had one job!!

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piefed.social

Please. At a time like this and with a man as great as Trump, only a heroic Charlie Kirk treatment will do.

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The notion that any aspect of a presidential election can be regulated through executive orders by the current sitting president would be laughed out of the room in any halfway functional democracy.

Might as well do away with the charade and call them royal decrees

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Trump signs executive order declaring Republicans win every open race in the country - Nov 3rd headline this year

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Good thing the constitution leaves it the states to conduct elections, not the federal government.

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lemmy.world

Let's stop enabling him with headlines. He didn't "sign an executive order limiting mail-in voting," because executive orders can't legally do that. He attempted to limit mail-in voting with an executive order. Stop granting the premise. If it works, it won't be because of an EO, it'll be because the USPS broke the law. Trump's power requires others to treat it as absolute. We've got to stop agreeing to do so.

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Xatolosreply
reddthat.com

He's signed a lot of EOs that weren't legal, but they take time to go through the courts and be disqualified. He just needs this one to last until arpund November's elections, so he doesnt care if its illegal or not, its just a delay tactic to help the Republicans during this election cycle.

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Yes, and that's what I mean. If we accept that his EO has the force of law, we are making it more likely that it will be effective as one.

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Remember everyone, since voting won't magically fix everything that means it's worthless! That's why Republicans are trying so hard to suppress voters. For.... Reasons! /S

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lemmy.world

It's comforting in some ways to see Trump make these desperate moves. It really shows the pressure is taking a toll on him and Republicans know it too.

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I_Jedireply
lemmy.today

His desperation makes me wonder if he'll do a big family annihilator thing before he's removed from power.

"I won the 2028 election! It was ME! But those Radical Left judges in the SCOTUS said I'm ineligible! Therefore, I'm going to do what I was planning for my next term in only the next few months! Every living thing in Iran will be DEAD before the week is out! Same with the Radical Left cities like Chicago and Los Angeles! No survivors, no prisoners! Thank you for your attention to this matter!"

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it's evident that that was not written by dumpy. It's still coherent :)

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desperate moves

These aren't "desperate moves." These are just... the moves. Like, this was the plan. This was always the plan. It's not out of desperation, it's out of design.

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I too wish that laws still mattered. Thankfully, they still matter a little bit, so there's still a chance for us to turn things around.

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osannareply
lemmy.vg

lol. dumpy don't give a fuck about laws and what's right. He does whatever he wants to further his own interests. He also wasn't allowed to run as president after getting a shitload of felony convictions, but he still did. Daddy dumpy don't care.

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lemmy.zip

He also wasn’t allowed to run as president after getting a shitload of felony convictions

There is no legal barrier that prevents a felon from running for President.

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8oow3291dreply
feddit.dk

What you say is completely true. But there is actually another law which should have prevented Trump from running in 2024.

Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, known as the disqualification clause, bars anyone from holding federal or state office—including the presidency—if they previously took an oath to support the U.S. Constitution and then engaged in insurrection, rebellion, or gave aid or comfort to enemies of the U.S..

Jan 6 2020 was an insurrection by Trump.

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supergluereply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Yes, but, technically he was never convicted of any of those things. It sucks, but, it's the way it is.

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Being convicted of insurrection is not a requirement. The only reason Trump was not kept off the ballot was because the Supreme Court intervened, and effectively annulled the 14th amendment.

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osannareply
lemmy.vg

oh wow. Apparently you're right. I always thought felons could not run for pres. but still, he doesn't care about laws.

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smeenzreply
lemmy.nz

I believe the law prohibits felons from holding public office , except for the positions of potus and vpotus as the constitution governs those

This was obviously not what was intended, as it was assumed that a felon, while technically able to run, would never be voted in. How little the founding fathers knew...

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How little the founding fathers knew…

In Russia, Navalny was falsely declared the equivalent of a felon by Putin's corrupt judge. Preventing Navalny from running against Putin. Not having any formal requirement for President is absolutely the democratically correct choice. It is just that US voters are idiots.

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This is why theyre going to try and include wiggle room that it needs to be a certified letter shipped via a private 3rd party in exchange for another golden toilet provided happily by FedEx and UPS.

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AMP links are bad for privacy and web decentralization; here's the non-AMP version.

I recommend using an extension to automatically redirect AMP URLs to their non-AMP counterparts.

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lemmy.zip

Republicans will lose so thoroughly in November that any attempt at casting doubt on the results of elections will be laughable, no matter the states propensity to vote Republican. We've already seen areas that went to tRump in 2024 by, like 23pts, go to Democrat candidates by a similar margin. That's a -40pt swing in some tRump country elections. That's not poling. Those are special election results.

I think the war he started is only going to intensify the swing by then. At least that's the hope-ium I'm snorting off the toilet seat of this current timeline. In actuality, November will be the last hope for this dying republic and how far gone 1/3 of the population appears to be.

All I know is every reporter that can put questions to tRump need to relentlessly call him out for his mail-in voting, his family's mail-in voting, and reduce any attempt by Faux 'News' to clip positive soundbites, impossible. Drive down into the states rights thought and hit back at Republican voters and candidates with their own arguments. Not to shame or berate them on their past voting choices, but to side with them against any Republican betraying the principles they claim to espouse.

If we successfully vote in a super majority, we must relentlessly canvass communities and hound our reps to demand a change to the whole first-past-the-post method of voting. A lot of our political frustrations can be abated locally, all the way up to national, with this change! If they refuse to support it in any capacity, run progressive candidates to challenge these measured-opposition Democrats and forcefully remove the do-nothing Schumer's of this rotted party/system. No more capitulation to a party. No more hemming and hawing after they're sworn in. Nothing else can be fixed until we replace the system that's used to pick our elected leaders and we have given them ample opportunities to save this country and the party.

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lemmy.world

You know, I've heard this twice before, and I'm REALLY hoping you're right about this

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Shnogreply
lemmy.world

Unfortunately I still think there is still too much Dem infighting. I expect a big painful loss for Dems this, and maybe even the next, election cycle. Perhaps after that there will be enough focused anger to unseat a Republican president.

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supergluereply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Nah, the independents are pissed off and going blue. I expect the dems to gain ground in November but not as much as they should due to voter suppression.

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Idk. People write off my neck of the woods, historically very purple, as racist and red af constantly...further driving the independents more and more to the right. It doesn't help that the Dems keep attacking sensible gun ownership.

Over my life I keep watching many many normal middle of the road people pushed right by the Federal Dems. They either fall in rank with Republicans or just stop engaging with anything outside local elections. It's saddening but I've kinda just accepted it at this point.

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Hasn't stopped agencies from enforcing or following them, states from following them, or law enforcement from adhering to them.

He is given the power the other branches of the government and states give him, and they all give him everything.

Lots of the executive orders have no legal standing, where he has no authority over what they change. Yet here we are.

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feddit.online

An EO that's worth less, legally, than the paper it's written on. If the states fight it.

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Whoops delay delay delay delay, would you look at that it's already midterms! Can't go change it now!

-Courts

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gruereply
lemmy.world

Mark my words: this will go to SCOTUS just slowly enough that they'll use it as an excuse to decide it after the election, or at least that it'll be "too close" to the election for the ruling to apply.

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lemmy.world

If it goes to SCOTUS then there would be a stay issued preventing enforcement until a ruling is made.

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You really think so? This court has had a bad habit of not staying pro-Trump appellate court rulings while it deliberates. I'm not some sort of judiciary wonk so I can't think of that many examples off the top of my head, but one big one is how they let the regime keep collecting Trump's autocratic "emergency" tariffs right up until they released the ruling against them.

I think that, unless there isn't a single fascist judge in the entire appeal chain and every ruling maintains a stay against the executive order, USPS etc. will proceed as if it's valid until SCOTUS issues a final ruling otherwise and the elections will be fucked.

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lemmy.world

Sure, but also fuck this noise:

the executive order would require the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security to compile a list of verified U.S. citizens in each state who are eligible to vote.

And The Orange King just voted by mail himself.

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Oh yeah, I didn't mean to imply that it was good.. but states could just have drop boxes instead and not give that info at all.

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lemmy.world

Can someone explain to me what this means for USA? (I'm not from USA and am not familiar with the system) To me, USA has a guide-only vote because the actual vote it's not by the people but by Electoral College which means the people don't actually vote. They vote for someone hoping that the elector will vote like them in turn, it's a trust me bro kind of situation.

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lemmy.today

We can't make it that easy, so here's the shorthand version:

The Electoral College is ONLY for the Presidential election (every 4 years), which is in 2028, so it's not relevant for this election. 2026 is called a Midterm Election, and it's for all the members of the House of Representatives (every 2 years) and some members of the Senate (every 6 years), and then a bunch of state and local races for governor, mayor, dog catcher, etc.

House of Representatives Reps, represent 400+ districts around the country, which is why they can't just rig the election like last time. There is a LOT of controversy about how these district boundary lines are drawn, called Gerrymandering, which allows for a lot of manipulation, and can be responsible for crazy election results. Trump has been demanding that states draw new district boundaries that would favor him, but most of them have been rejected by the states, the voters, or the courts.

Gerrymandering is a very complex and confusing science, far too much too discuss here. So while the House doesn't have to deal with the Electoral College, they have their own weird system to navigate.

There are 50 senators, 2 per state, and they are chosen by a pure popular vote of each state. They are probably the most fair election in our Federal system.

There are some anomalies in state and local elections, but they tend to be straight popular votes.

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patruelisreply
lemmy.world

Ok, I think I get it.

The USA president is elected every 4 years by the Electoral College.

The Midterm Elections are for everyone else basically that are supporting the president in the first 2 years and then hopefully the elections are good enought so he can get support for another 2 years. And writing this, it seems that if he get suppport for another 2 years after the midterms, there is an increased chance of the next president to be of the same party.? Weird

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lemmy.today

You're getting there, but I caution you to not go too deep down the rabbit hole, it will make you crazy.

There's a weird thing that happens with Midterms. When a new president takes over, the opposing party often gets motivated late, and goes on the attack in the Midterms, often resulting in the President losing control of the House, causing massive headaches for the next 2 years, and threatening his reelection.

This was big after Obama's win, with Republicans (the Tea Party, proto-MAGAs) flipping the House in a big way. In 2022, Trump expected a Republican landslide due only to history alone, and was really pissed when the historical trend didn't pan out.

So here we are in the classic situation - a very unpopular president going into the Midterm with every reason to believe he's facing bloodbath. It is very likely that the House will flip, and perhaps even the Senate, which was thought to be safe a few months ago, but is now facing a legitimate threat.

Trump could lose BOTH Legislative Chambers, who both have investigative committees with subpoena and arrest powers. He will certainly have no chance of passing any legislation that allows him to stick around for another term.

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patruelisreply
lemmy.world

Right, that's why there's so much emphasis on middterms. Fingers crossed he gets arrested. Haven't seen so much corruption out of Africa and South America since the early 90's.

Next level shit.

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When South Korea's president tried to launch an insurrection, they arrested the him and locked him up in prison (I think he got life?). when the dumpy launches an insurrection, he gets applauded and whatever. Fuck.

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lemmy.world

Well, I suppose we should be grateful this is happening early enough for a court challenge to play out instead of a last minute EO that will just make be followed automatically by red and purple (with red governors/AGs) states.

But no doubt the timing is because there are twelve additional fascist election moves in Trump/Miller's playbook, any of which can subvert the election, and they're just giving themselves time to run down the list.

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MrVilliamreply
sh.itjust.works

Primaries and referendums are happening right the fuck now though. I just voted by mail here in VA regarding the temporary redistricting thing. He might be trying to throw a wrench in any blue redistricting that's in response to Texas and whatever other red gerrymandering is happening.

America isn't even teetering on the precipice anymore. We're tumbling down a jagged cliffside, and 1/3 thinks that it's a good thing actually, 1/3 says holy fuck we need to curl up in a ball and try to survive, and the last 1/3 has been convinced by the first third that both sides are the same and also there's nothing they can do and also did you hear what Jennifer Lawrence said about that thing you mildly care about but will pretend to care deeply about when you hear how she blasted it?

America's day in the sun is done and dusted. We're irrelevant. We were able to bluff relevance for the past few decades, but the facade has fallen. We're not militarily impressive. We don't do anything. Korea won, then Vietnam won, then the terrorists won, and now China has won. The best we can hope for at this point is avoiding total collapse.

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Technically Korea was a stalemate at worst. The North Koreans initiated the invasion and the goal was to push them back a bit then end the war. MacArthur fucked that up and pushed too far spooking the Chinese but the pre-war borders were more or less reestablished, so not victory but sure as shit wasn't defeat given how bad the war was going for awhile.

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I hope this doesn't get removed because any time I bring this up I get called an "election denier". But there is legitimate evidence that both the 2020 and 2024 election was tampered with. This has been determined by statisticians. Not conspiracy theorist. There is statistical evidence. Furthermore. The evidence shows vote manipulation occuring on non-mail-in-vote tabulators only.

The statisticians concluded the reason Trump did not win 2020 was because most votes were mail-in and were not altered like the in-person votes were. Due to covid.

And that the in-person voting tabulator machines showed the same voter manipulation in both 2020 and 2024. Also similar to Russians. And. That the machines were designed to not flag for recounts. Which is why trump won every single swing state with no recount. (Recounts are triggered by a ratio of vote difference exceeding a certain number. (Somewhere around 65% but I can't recall the exact number atm).

Because Trump has done all this b.s about saying he actually won 2020, any time anyone questions if vote tampering took place, people assume they are agreeing that trump actually won. I'm saying he didn't win either. He tried to cheat at both but was foiled by mail in voting in 2020 due to covid.

The statisticians said this almost a year ago and said he would target mail in voting because it's harder to manipulate.

The statisticians are The Election Truth Alliance.

They have many videos on YouTube and Instagram explaining the stats and what they show. But I'll break it down simple for you even if math isn't your strongest subject.

Distributions and frequency.

When you have a lot of data , a normal distribution occurs.

For instance if I took all mens height and put it on a frequency chart with the middle being the mean. And the higher up the bar , the more people there were with that height, what happens is a normal distribution. It looks like a symmetrical hill.

This is a law of nature that is almost always true with a few exceptions.

Distributions will not be "normal" when there is not very many data points. For example I measure 10 mens height. I may or may not get a normal symmetrical distribution .

Another way a distribution will be abnormal is if a portion of the data points (people) have been influenced by something specific but the rest have not been. We call this "systematic influence".

An example.

I measure 100 mens heights from Canada and Dominican Republic. (100 from each).

Because men in the Dominican Republic are currently having a rough time and growing up with less food and nutrition, they will be shorter.

So if I put all of these men on a frequency distribution graph, the Dominican men would skew the distribution to the left but because most other men are not being affected by childhood famine, what you might see is two distributions. A bi-nomial distribution.

This is a systematic influence that can be determined pretty easily.

If the distribution is just skewed off to the side, something has to have influenced it. It's unnatural. That's the important thing to understand.

Something external influenced the data if it's not normal symmetrical. Especially with a high number of data points (over 100 should easily be normal).

Okay that's all you need to understand about frequency distributions to understand the election truth Alliance videos.

Also IQ is often displayed as a normal distribution if that helps.

https://youtu.be/WOQ-GxJyJN4

https://m.youtube.com/@ElectionTruthAlliance

Also Trump said he cheated multiple times. Literally said musk cheated for him.

He also had the lowest starting approval rate in history.

Too many coincidences.

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