China Is Rapidly Overtaking the United States as the World's Scientific Superpower
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While the states is busy overtaking Turkmenistan as Worlds Weirdest Dictatorship
A wonderful series of photo-heavy blog posts about Ashgabat, Turkmenistan can go some way to answering this question.
Wow, thanks so much for sharing this. I value this small glimpse into a part of the world I know next to nothing of. I loved how the low amount of text in these posts enhanced the surreal feeling of the images, e.g. an image captioned by "[place] empty at noon", followed by an image captioned "[place] empty at night"
you forgot "[place] empty in the evening" between these two :-)
Most countries have that, no? Mount Rushmore comes to mind
That's just America's fascism peeking out to remind you it was always there.
They just ran out of large populations of local brown people to oppress so they go over seas to do it now.
I think it's the guy obsessed with horses.
To be fair, those are some very fuckable horses. For people into stuff like that, I mean,
It's like that movie based on real life, "the death of Dick Long"
But how many variations of “peace” prize did Turkmenistan’s “dear leader” solicit? What’s his ratio of “peace” prizes to wars started?
Already done, bruh. 10 years of Republicans tearing down everything led to this. Not a shocker.
It’s been more like 40 years of Republican rule.
It's truely a team effort the Republicans and Democrats are the ratchet effect manifested.
The FPTP system ensures you will only get those two choices so if you want to effect change its probably easiest to do it at the primary level.
People always say 'progressives can't get elected nationally' or whatever forgetting FPTP ensures things will swap back (under the assumption that one side doesn't flip fascist before that happens, big assumption in this climate I know) because eventually people will tire of the person in power and either vote for 'change' or stay home.
They're banning books, that says a lot.
Usually I would agree with you, but in this context, I am fairly sure China bans more book than the U.S.
"Is overtaking?" Sorry buddy, that point lies in the past. China dominates nearly all of the relevant future technologies and is still ramping up its investments. There's no stopping them now.
Even in the AI sector they seem to be only a pace or two behind. Their models are as good and require less compute. It really does feel like we are falling behind in everything.
they said relevant future technologies
Solid burn
In a sense, this is exactly why I think that China will inevitably overtake the US in this field too. Even besides things like Deepseek, which distills LLMs dominant in the US into a more streamlined model, China also seems to be putting more resources into researching AI that doesn't need to start out with mahoosive amounts of data.
In some ways their AI might even be better at this point. I've talked with Claude users complaining that their AI kept skipping steps and I haven't had that problem with GLM 5.
China sent their best and brightest to be educated in American colleges, which American kids can't get without taking on a lifetime of student debt. Most American kids aren't rich enough to deserve to be smart.
It's okay, though, we'll need those bodies for the war. Trump is competing against Putin numbers for sacrifices. 1.2 million so far in Ukraine. Trump has some catching up to do. He wants to be able to brag to his Sociopathic Oligarch buddies at dinner at Maralago about how many soldiers have died for him, and the higher the number the better. That's how much they love him.
American students don't need college, that's for the Chinese who build our stuff. The Draft is coming for American students. They should be willing to die to protect American Freedom.®
The US paid the best and brightest foreigners to teach in American colleges.
Who knew that taking funding for scientific research away from government institutes and universities and giving it to ketamine-addicted con men would have negative consequences.
it's not negative to the con men. a nation of science-averse suspicious uneducated half wits is exactly what they need to stay in power
but also stagnate
Kings of ashes are worth less than the ground they stand upon.
US post WW2 boom is over and they squandered it.
We have been running on old money for decades. We used China for our slave labor, and now they make the best stuff and don't need us. That's why the US is 70% service industry now. We are basically two rich trust fund babies jerking ourselves from off surrounded by slave labor, but eventually we run out of money. We are at the running out of money phase
Yeah but this is round two: science boogaloo. We have a government actively hostile to science and research, throwing away where we still had a leading position.
In particular, we’re reversing the brain drain from China. If they’re becoming slightly less repressive and welcome science while we’re cutting research, cutting legal immigration, driving cuts by racism and judging research by whether the ai classifies it as “woke”, too many researchers who would have come here may no longer feel welcome
The US still holds the reserve currency, that they force other countries to use via military force. Which allows them to export their inflation, and to print money to build up the military they use to protect its usage.
I think the problem is the population got too heavy into taking in debt via this mechanism, always asking for more and more tax cuts and more social programs, and China themselves stopped buying US treasuries in 2016. Then locking Russia out of US bonds further exacerbated the issue, as its no longer seen as a neutral asset, so bond yields rise as less people buy them.
Then the tariffs and higher interest rates cause debt crisis in other countries by limiting their access to USD, which makes them attempt to move away, which is likely how gold prices nearly doubled in a single year. Its pretty wild whats happening.
Where are these social programs?
The US federal government is a well armed pension fund.
Well technically social security is a social program, as it medicare, given they are funded by debt. Those are the vast majority.
This is exactly what is happening with gold. Everyone dumping usd for gold right now
Most boom was due to the cold war, US got rid of its only rival and went rogue and shot itself in the foot
Here's the thing a lot of MAGA aren't uneducated as in they aren't lacking an education, they're stupid, brainwashed, propagandized, cultish, and manipulated but not necessarily any more uneducated than your average progressive or lib. The problem with a lot of them is environmental, you can have the most well educated person but if they grew up in say Seventh Day Adventism then there's a pretty good chance they're borderline braindead outside of their specific field due to things like thought terminating cliches.
Conservatism at least in the US has all the hallmarks of a social cult, basically the insidious twin side of the coin a general social movement is part of. It's reinforced through dozens of different vectors with possibly billions of dollars thrown into it just to maintain the damned thing.
Reminder a lot of fascists have been educated but they were still stupid due to the blind spots created by their ideology. Same exact thing as now.
Maybe because China is not exclusively focusing on Improving AI?
Also because China is not experiencing a religious movement that rejects science.
The evangelicals made a deal with a grifter.
Maybe?
Possibly?
I feel as though the low standard of living of the average Chinese national is a more decisive factor. The resources that could be spent on public welfare programs are spent on research and subsidies instead.
I mean, resources aren't being spent on public welfare programs in the US either. We only have a higher standard of living because of the legacy of (roughly) the New Deal era, when we were investing in it as well as unions winning a lot of labor reforms. Those preexisting advantages have only been slowly eroding for the last 40-odd years.
They absolutely are.
Let's say I get into a car accident or have cancer. Treatment involves expensive chemotherapy, blood transfusions, and multiple rounds of major surgery.
If I'm in the poorest 10%-30% of the population, the care is provided free of charge. If I'm poor-but not that poor- I have the option to receive the expensive treatment and just not pay. It will just negatively impact my credit score, but I can also get away with "paying what I can afford."
...this is just one example. Everything from our food to our electronics are subsidized by the government. Most of the resources are more or less taken from poorer nations. If they don't play ball, we withhold aid, bribe officials, loan their enemies weapons, or finance a coup.
Saying 'It will just negatively impact your credit score' like it's nothing in a capitalist nation where nearly all financial trust is based on how effectively you pay back your creditors is a pretty wild take.
Especially when a car and home are the bare minimum for most people to be able to function in the US (public transport is laughable anywhere outside a metropolis) and the average person isn't getting either without a loan.
I wouldn't be so quick to ignore medical debt. The average retired couple spends $350000 on medical expenses in the US. The system is a lot more dysfunctional than you make it out to be.
@shawn1122 @BygoneNeutrino
Capitalism can't work with fractional reserves in place, or wealth hoarding. Our system is tyrannical in nature, and we all suffer for it. If we don't change dramatically and quickly there will be a price paid.
We need to start at the bottom. Practice self control, and independance. We need our own food supplies in the forests and fields so people dont need to rely on the system to live.
Hidden Life Of Trees describes how forests work together as a collective.
It could be better, but even the person with crippling medical debt lives luxuriously relative to the global norm. I think it could be better, but I think it's important to understand exactly how much we have.
Where we got our excess resources is also relevant. I think it's important to understand the exact role that weapons manufacturers and corporate chronies play in bolstering our lifestyles. At the end of the day, I don't think the average citizen wants to know.
Whataboutism lmfao
Running up medical debt, declaring bankruptcy, and expecting the inflated costs being charged by the insurance system to just sort of absorb it is entirely different from the government having public welfare programs!
You do see how it's different, right?!
Poor Chinese with their 96% home owner rate, great social benefits and no debt.
It's more like poor China with their average $5000 per year income.
They also have a 0% homeowner rate. All property is owned by the state. As for the houses they do "own", the typical city apartment or rural homestead is...deficient by Western standards.
In the US too, if unpaid property taxes mean your home can be foreclosed upon
I think China's view on property ownership has it's advantages. Since nearly every piece of land in the US is private property, building infrastructure as simple as bike paths and railroads are a nightmare.
...I guess the government could use foreclosures and eminent domain to get similar results, it's not as consistent.
Sigh, I'll dumb it down for you.
if you have 5 rocks and it gets you a house, and another guy has 10 rocks that can only buy a Dr Pepper the guy with 10 rocks is not better off.
And you clearly don't know anything about the system of home ownership either.
And their homes and cities are far more advanced and clean than let's say the US shithole's dilapidated cardboard shacks and glorified trailers. If they have a home that is.
But I should've seen your bias from your first silly comment so I'm going to let you be in your delusion and ignorance and not waste my time.
I'm having a hard time believing that you live in either China or the United States. You definitely don't live in the United States because you aren't familiar with our low income housing; if you do live in China, you're job is to write these comments.
If there is one thing I learned about Lemmy, it's that there are quite a few bot handlers that don't want it to gain momentum. We are going to need some form of identity verification if this community wants to get off the ground.
LOL man you're even further gone than I imagined from your previous comment.
You really drank the China bad cool aid.
No I don't live in China but in EU.
As if that matters (to anyone not paranoid and imagining things like yourself)
And it's perfectly possible to know how people live in the US.
Or do your organizations give false statistics on the massive homelessness and poverty?
And I've heard first hand stories from people who went there. (I will never set foot in that banana republic)
All 'normal' for the people that do the NY,lA touristy things, but man were my friends shocked when they had the bad idea to bike along a large part of the coast and see the real america.
complete villages with junkies, slums and 3rd world world conditions everywhere.
The crime that came with it ended that trip a lot sooner than they planned.
I have more stories but I guess the people I know are secretely chinese or Russians trying to badmouth the greatest country in the universe.
Anyway not buying your BS and maybe you get some verification at a psychologist, if you can afford it that is.
It's because they make everything and have spare money to spend on research.
The US runs on debt, and we are running out of debt.
Why spend money on new technology when you can ensure our fossil fuel oligarchs are the richest in the world? Why struggle for a place with new technology when you can dominate previous technology?
We have a president with a personal vendetta against wind turbines who exhausted the legal ways to block development of wind farms so is spending $1B to have a company walk away from one
@AA5B @krisevol
Strange that the same president would watch American refineries burn.
Looks to me like organized crime working with law enforcement to create artificial scarcity of drugs, and creating a population of oppressable people in turn.
Funny how Jeffrey Epstein exposed all the connections, but people still refuse to tie it all together.
Tyrants all work together to keep us down. The system is corrupt to it's core, and we need to opt out.
Lets plant seeds and spores together.
Ngl good explanation
Yes, that little bump the Americans got after the 1940s because of some, er... "immigrants" has long since run out.
Let's call it a prolonged international exchange program.
Immigrants? You have no idea what you are talking about, Von Braun is a good old American name.
Wasn't his original surname "Merkwürdigliebe"?
The damage is done. Unless there's a sudden reversal of cultural attitudes, the US has given up. The only way I see this happening is if the space race sparks another push for STEM.
Like, actual STEM. It seems like nobody has noticed but all anybody has cared about anymore is watching the stock market go up. It's no longer about the pursuit of science and technology but how that can be used to make money.
They need to land some people on the moon again. Make it a big deal about sci-fi type shit. Orbit space stations around the Earth and the moon. Make it a daily life kind of thing that the population can get engaged with.
It's apparent that people are weary of technology anymore cause all we've had is brain rot designed to extract value from us. People need to see science and technology as something hopeful again.
With the price of tuition now a days, and an already poor education system as it were, I don't think the US is getting back to anything.
Only reason for an education seems to be to join a tech company. I have a hunch that too much IT has sapped all other sectors of the best graduates, hence why everything else is so understaffed and expensive.
it seem everyone was getting into tech like 10 years ago, it might finally be bursting? but i dont think they will have severe lack of jobs, like stem would right now or even 10 years ago. biotech has been kept small as far as the job pool goes, but the field seems to have shortages in those areas, maybe they figured out they dont want to compete with scientists salaries so they gatekeep BS/MS graduates.
the only stem that is doing really well is bio> to nursing degree, or some health related same kind of demand, buts its extremely skewed towards 1 demographic.
the tuition is one of the least problems, the job field prior to AI, pandemic was pretty bad for stem as it is. and its badly gatekeeped for research. they go to great lengths to avoid hiring domestic applicants.
A major reason the space race resulted in US technological superiority was because they didn't Gulag former Nazi scientists.
USA is very much cooked.
yup, we got some of thier rocket scientists and russia got other group. we though it was a deal to get Japanese bioweapon scientists but turned out it wash just pseudoscience or very objective experimentations.
Stem jobs are noticeably stagnant as far as they way they hire especially how much bs they pull to keep people form applying online. more often than not your application will never seen by a person, especially with AI in the mix now. even before AI they had software to just randomly screen people anyways. ghost jobs, fake listings in order to have an excuse they cant find anyone, or had hire one with extremely specific skills that they had int he company(like you cant even get those experience in a normal university)
Not just in science. In everything.
America is being lapped by a fascist Pooh Bear because 30% of Americans are mouthbreathers with Bible kinks.
Intelligent people aren't going to stay in a country that doesn't respect intelligence.
They'll take their knowledge elsewhere. It's in high demand in other first world countries.
China already did long time ago, and US were already finished before they put Trump on the spot.
All the insanity from 'Trump', was planned by think tanks years before, so ALL lib/dem presidents just played the big think tank game just like Trump, and he is just showing the real face/intents of the US fascist dictatorship. None of them - no matter 'side' cared about causes or people, and all of them played the pre-set game dictated by the US Oligarchs.
Current US behavior are just 'mask off' that shows who is really in charge in the US "Democracy" and what they think of anything else than keeping their property/power.
Sometimes I forget one of Trump's first agendas was nuking research funding and using a keyword filter against grant submissions that had words like "trans" without conntext.
Seems like so long ago compared to an active war with Iran.
Was that in 2017 or 2025? There's been so much terribleness that it's hard to sort out....
It is not just cutting research funding, but also making migrating to the US much much harder. The US has amazing pay for the absolute top researchers, which makes it attractive for even migrants from other developed countries. However life in most other countries is better then one of the new migrant concentration camps the US is building with ICE.
Probably the Anglosphere apart from the US and then other rich developed countries will benefit fro this the most. They all have somewhat working migration systems in place to attract talent. China so far lacks that, but they probably set one up soon.
Let's see them try to keep up with incarceration rates per 100k people. USA is truly a world power in that regard.
The people who control capital and the levers of power in the west no longer care about the primacy of the United States in any sense. It was only ever just a mechanism they used to consolidate their power by using our economic system and our military for their own ends (see: “War is a Racket”)
Now they’re pulling up the drawbridge, boarding their super yachts, the escape plans drawn up decades ago. America is left a hollow shell with only the sad remnants of broken promises left behind.
This is part of why I am (slowly) learning Mandarin.
I'm so tempted to, tbh. I wonder how hard it'd be to go from joyou Kanji to hanzi.
I can read probably 1000ish kanji (maybe more), and some are super easy. Others are less so 漢 -> 汉 is .... what?
I have a feeling I'll have to learn traditional and simplified at the same time and that feels a bit daunting. 😅
AFAIK, if you're targeting mainland China and don't need to read anything historic, simplified should be enough. Anywhere else, you would need to learn them. I quite like this YouTuber for various linguistic stuff on Chinese: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8EFhnMaVRk
Oh yeah, definitely, although I'm more concerned about committing them to memory, since the simplified characters lose some meaning and you're expected to make up for it. I guess I've forgotten the meaning of simple kanji like 免 one too many times. Thanks for the link, though! I'll check it out.
Wo ye xuexi hanyu, yi dian dian
The US forfeit that race when they elected drumpf...
LOL that's just cope
It's just acknowledging reality. What the fuck is your point?
Chill TF out maybe?
China has been gaining and surpassing you no matter what face was in charge.
As I said, it's cope so you can delude yourself and think it wouldn't be if it weren't for the bad evil man.
Same as the Iran failure.
Where you see plenty americans say they're losing simply bcs of Trump and their super duper invincible military would be in Teheran by now under some other imperialist.
americans are sore losers and can't come to terms that they're being surpassed hard and circling the drain.
With or without Trump.
So the point is quite important, you're wrong and americans sore losers.
You are clearly at the denial/anger stage.
That won't help you.
There's a difference between "still in the race, being surpassed" and "no longer in the race because forfeit."
Before trump, the US still had green energy initiatives. They weren't enough, but they were better than nothing. It still funded science and research. Not enough, but better than nothing.
All of that is gone now. So your attempts to equate "with" and "without" trump is nothing but disinformation, plain and simple.
That's not what I see at all. I see millions of americans saying we shouldn't even be involved in Iran. And the fact is, we wouldn't be if it weren't for trump. So again, your false equivalencies are as asinine as they are incorrect.
And I'm kinda fed up with all this shit, so I don't have much patience for it right now. Go tell someone else to chill the fuck out, cause I'm not having any more of your bullshit strawman arguments.
LOL “no longer in the race because forfeit.”
That's exactly what I mean, "we could win but our leader made us quit". COPE
Trump has been in charge for barely 13 months.
The structure and evolution of scientific growth are a thing measured in decades.
The benefits come much later, it takes years of investing in education and infrastructure, then waiting for generations to get years of that education and finally reaping those benefits when they become professionals.
What you see now is the result of what you did before, Trumps damage will only have an impact later in these fields.
And what you did before was continuously losing ground and being surpassed.
Since a few decades, when Trump was just a TV clown diddling kids and China started investing and educating.
About the war:
Sure half of you don't want this war,it's how your dogmatic 2 sides work. They say this, so I say the opposite, on any issue.
Doesn't mean they don't believe what their massive propaganda and false image of being the world police and superiority.
After all you're americans.
They just can't have their bubble burst and are, as I said, in denial.
And I mean denial as in the psychological definition:
You manifest the typical flight response to it perfectly BTW:
"And I’m kinda fed up with all this shit, so I don’t have much patience for it right now."
Between ignoring everything I said, twisting it out of context, and then bringing in all sorts of red herrings from every angle, you're clearly just a troll and I don't have the energy to deal with you. It would be pointless anyway.
You don't get to be a total dick and then just say people are in denial cause they won't put up with your shit. I'm under no obligation to listen to your drivel.
I mean, in the long run, this should be inevitable. The scientific revolution was a lightning bolt that happened to strike in Europe. And all western countries inherited that head start. But in the long run, we would expect all the world to converge to a similar science, and wealth level. And if China has triple the population of the US, why wouldn't you expect them to dominate the US in raw scientists output? That should be the default condition.
Or, to return to reality for a moment, China has invested in new technologies and education for the prupose of having new technologies and an educated population while the US has long engaged in innovation only if it will make money(while actively stifling new things if it means competition) and in dumbing down its own population so that they’re easier to control. The US exists as a machine to enrich, in the short-term, a handful of people and anything that does not work to that end is seen as a waste. No public infrastructure, no investing in science for advancement’s sake, no education poor people, no nothing.
The US has failed because of deliberate effort by itself to shoot its own feet and legs before diving head-first into an intellectual wood-chipper. It is 100% voluntary and you cannot hide behind “it must’ve been inevitable!”.
This read as very narrow euro centric view of the world.
Your post reads as a vapid grievance-centered view of the world.
It is in no way related to population number. I bet there is high correlation with politics
You pointed out an obvious and irrelevant fact but neglected my main point. This isn't that complicated. If there are two countries with equal technology and education levels, the larger one will have a greater scientific output. All other things being equal, bigger countries should produce more science. And the things that prevent everything from being equal are largely historical aberrations that will decrease with time.
Obviously, there today isn't a direct correlation between population and scientific output. But that's not what I argued. My assertion is that all other things being equal, a larger country will be able to produce more science. This shouldn't be controversial. More people. More resources. More ability to employ scientists to do science.
Yes, there isn't a direct correlation today between population and scientific output, but different countries have radically different levels of development, wealth, and education. But these differences tend to average out over time as the world as a whole becomes more industrialized and developed. For most of human history, China was the leading scientific and technological power. And this was largely because they were simply had the largest population able to invent and discover things. For a time, small European countries had an advantage. But that's just because Europe got lucky and happened to be where the scientific revolution happened to start. That was never a stable position that could be maintained forever. There is no timeline where tiny England continued to control the world forever.
My point is not that, today, there is a direct correlation between scientific output and population size. You pointed out this obvious fact, but you missed the entire point of my comment. My point is that China overtaking the US in scientific output is not unexpected at all. It's exactly what we would expect to happen. It's a returning to the historical norm, the end of an anomalous period of history. A regression to the mean.
You mean the rise of rationalism over religion in Europe that came out of the renaissance that only happened because they reopened trade routes and actually started paying attention to what had been going on in the islamic golden age?
Look, I get not being Euro centric, but you're just looking for grievances. Performative wokism taken to the point of farce.
The scientific revolution was a new invention. There was philosophy and rationalism before, but it's incredibly reductive to just collapse the entire scientific method to be no different than the methods of inquiry that came before. It clearly had vastly different and more dramatic real-world consequences than the eras that came before. The Islamic Golden Age did not produce a self-reinforcing series of technological advancements that completely altered the lives of every living human being. The life of a peasant living in an Islamic country was virtually unchanged from before the Islamic Golden Age to after the Islamic Golden Age. I get rejecting imperialism. But you're being so performatively anti-imperialist that it's clouding your judgment.
The scientific method was something that was invented in its modern form in a particular place and time. Yes, it had precursors, but so what? Humans evolved from creatures that are a fundamentally different species to ourselves. Every invention and discovery has precursors, but that doesn't mean they're the same thing. You have such an anti-West axe to grind that you can't recognize a truly remarkable discovery, simply because it happened to be invented by Europeans.
It was not normal for a tiny peninsula on the edge of the Eurasian landmass to, in a few centuries, go from being a global backwater to dominating the world. It's a historical aberration. To explain it, you have two choices;
Be a racist and conclude that there is something particularly different about European genetics that makes Europeans either particularly intelligent (positive racism) or particularly evil (negative racism) that allowed them to achieve this feat.
Recognize that it was an accident of history and that a uniquely powerful discovery/invention, the modern scientific method, happened to be invented in Europe.
Personally, I don't like Eugenics-based explanations. Maybe you do. But I reject racism, even for the sake of anti-imperialism. Maybe you think Europeans are just genetically evil geniuses. But my default assumption is that everyone is the same, and Europe just happened to roll a natural 20 when it came to where the scientific revolution would happen.
Sure, you can pretend that it was no different from other methods of rational inquiry that came before. But then you have to explain why the modern scientific method produced a knowledge explosion while previous methods didn't.
Oh you silly little biscuit.
Western science never formed in a vacuum. It's always been a continuance of knowledge. Imperialism plays a huge part, because a stable empire with security tends to rise the life of its citizens and result in a greater scholarly presence, but scientific advancement and knowledge is not some strange, magical thing that only appeared in one place at one time due to magical butt fairies or whatever the hell else you're ascribing. It's standing on the shoulders of the ones who came before you, who stand on the shoulders of those before them.
It absolutely is if you understand your history. That pissy little kingdom around the Palatine hill did exactly that. That tiny spit at Aigai surrounded by the big boys. And also I think you're conflating "scientific revolution" with shipbuilding and trade there bud.
It's almost like the slogan should've been Make China Great Again lmao
FWIW,
wp:Science policy of the second Trump administration#Reactions and consequences
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By slashing funding, 1100 funding announcements by the NCI for cancer research in 2023, 11 in 2026.
Enjoy your ass cancer, MAGA.
Supremacy in most if not all fields of endeavor by 2049 is a high goal, only accelerated by American political chaos and regression to traditionalism whereupon global disillusionment leads to realignment towards the Middle Kingdom.
Yippee.
I wouldn't say Yippee, both suck.
I wish Europe picks up the pace
That's why it was a deadpan "Yippee", it doesn't show well in written form.
I think the full stop at the end did the trick
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yippee"We already saw what happens when Europe picks up pace, twice. I think they are fine with the current pace. They just need to kick Putin's face in.
I hope African countries will have a great leap forward with everyone else busy with geopolitics, without China or the west interfering. They already have the materials, they only need innovative people to utilize it without exploitation.
Nigeria has more births than the whole of Europe.
Hopefully they can do something good, I also have a lot of hope for South Africa, but big things are probably not going to happen in my lifetime
"Both sides" lol cope
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Is china currently bombing anyone?
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Of course it's .ml...
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No, and the only countries pretending otherwise are involved in non-fictional genocide. Xinjiang is open to the public you fucking moron.
Rested on our laurels so long they rotted out from under us
Europe might just get back the scientists that brain drained to the US. if china stopped fuding thier results, and opening thier research to criticism, and peer review internationally it would improve thier innovation. right now its mostly controlled by the CCP.
The US as a whole definitely, some coastal cities have advanced programs and can rival China.
As they should be. They're investing more in it and have a larger population to work with.
We essentially stopped, someone needs to pick up the torch
I figure they have a few years to beat the US to the Moon (this century).
You can't compete with a nation that doesn't feel bad about exploitation of workers. If the workers cooperate then you can get a crazy amount of productivity out of them. The united states is losing its power because we aren't willing to work as we used to. It's a tradeoff, but I'm fine with it except that I'm not sure I trust China/Xi Jinping as the world's superpower. He eliminated term limits when he took power, and I'm sure has no intention of going anywhere for a long time. Everyone so busy celebrating Trump looking bad, but forgetting that it could be and will be a lot worse for the western world under a Chinese dictator.
What a stupid take! Americans are working longer and harder for less pay and disappearing benefits, with a bleak future and risk of financial ruin of you get sick or terminated.
China is funding research universities and subsidizing Chinese students, while the US is killing scholarships and starting fights with top universities over politics.
I mean you're right and that's bad; I'm just pointing out that China has had gruesome 996 working weeks (72 hours/week) for decades IIRC and i'm not sure if chinese people work that much voluntarily or involuntarily.
@gandalf_der_12te @3abas
China sustains a far larger population than the USA because their system is simply better. They produce more talent because they are less oppressive and more people have a chance to grow naturally.
No hierarchical system is perfect, to be clear. Order is a product of freedom, and Chinese people enjoy more of it than Americans.
Harmony is a word the west would do well to learn. Our Vampirism and parasitism are killing us all.
I've only seen better benefits, pay, and protections over the last 20 years. Not sure what to say.
The point of the article is that of you stop investing in science, you are going to fall behind in science.
Wait, you claim the US feels bad about the exploitation of workers? That the workers productivity hasn't skyrocketed while wages are stagnant?
Oh let him have his little China meltdown, he's got football to watch Monday.
Worker benefits are better than they were 10 years ago, and way better than 20 years ago. Wages have gone up, and keeping pace with inflation with varying degrees of success over the years. People work less than they used to is what I'm saying. I work less than my parents did and I think it's a good thing. But the economy will slow down because of it.
"The US exploits its workers just as much, but at least it feels very sorry about it!"
That's not what I said
Seeing a lot of sneering comments from folks in the #3 and below countries. You realize China also surpassed you all, right? And you realize you’re still behind the US , right? Damn. Haters.
This would be really concerning if science was real
US education system at work lol
Why are you saying this stupid thing?
We shouldn't feed the trolls — this person is clearly not interested in productive, good faith discussions
Sarcasm doesn't come through in text.
True. Kinda should've known.
The dollar is a piece of paper that people believe in and therefore fictional as well, as much as is all the mathematics that the US financial system is based on. Would you consider them insignificant, too?
Its disturbing to think there are real people with access to internet who think like this