What is a piece of media with a leftist message but right-wingers love it?
I myself am from the USA but I really can't think of anything. I do know of some right-wingers from my old high school who liked leftist stuff but I can't think of what they are off the top of my head. Maybe Star Trek, does that count?
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Born in the USA by Bruce Springsteen
"Fortunate Son" by Creedence Clearwater Revival
Hopefully Streets of Minneapolis will get them to quit with the Springsteen.
I mean, they complained with 41 Shots, too, but it hasn't seemed to slow them down.
The Bible
This is Exodus 21:2-11. It supports slavery; restrained, non-racial slavery, but slavery nonetheless.
The bible does not construct a consistent moral framework; it has vastly different - even contradictory - moral messaging because it is multiple texts written and constantly revised by multiple people who lived hundreds or even thousands of years apart, in different parts of the world, and for many different reasons. By picking and choosing which parts of the bible to emphasize you can use it to support a wide range of moral arguments. This is both a feature and a bug for charlatans throughout history who use it as a means of control.
Leviticus 25 is not so restrained.
"As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves. You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you and from their families who are with you who have been born in your land; they may be your property. You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property. These you may treat as slaves, but as for your fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over the other with harshness."
Fellow hebrews are servants for a free years and shouldn't be treated harshly. Foreigners are property for life and harshness is expected.
That's very true! My girlfriend's other queerplatonic partner is a Christian who respects LGBTQ and is pretty left-wing on a lot of talking points, and they actually don't believe in discrimination like the right does.
Not true at all. Despite what 'christians' like to say the Bible is a horrific book with insanely oppressive and cruel morals. Being christian, an actual christian, and left wing is impossible. Most progressive christians are either not progressive or following their own made up spirituality that they call christianity
You don't get to decide what Christianity is or who identifies with the term.
'The bible is bad' seems profoundly confused and perhaps more a ragequit of some novel protestant style 66 book idol worshiping.
I don't decide what a christian is, the doctrine of christianity does that. And guess what? The doctrine is clearly laid out in an insane book that you could go read right now.
I can't declare myself a bodhisattva if I'm a self centered hedonist because i just define it that way.
There is no 'doctrine of Christianity' and it's not clearly laid out in any insane book I'm aware of.
The Christian tradition is vast, wide and ancient.
If you do not believe in the bible, an insane book, you aren't christian. Period.
Again, that's not really up to you. Saying "period" doesn't matter as it's easier to dismantle a monster of your making.
Maybe read some early stuff that never made the canons as you would an novel anime, may be easier as they carrier less weird baggage and are often just as good, if not better, than those that did. Harry Potter is the new virgin magus messiah touching death to save the world for the masses that don't want to go to masses, it's fine but it's far worse than the OG stuff imr.
I gather you are not aiming to, but you are playing the game and fervently evangelizing for some novel, likely US protestant strain of the Nicene machine, on the socials as the true Christianity and everything else as heresy. Consider not doing that.
Consider the dead Christians, the heretics, those that were tortured and burned or had their works condemned and names dragged though the mud for coming on 2000yrs now. Basildes was pushing some cool Christian memes long before 'believe in the bible' would go viral for example and they had to start burning Diatesserons by the hundreds, but this kinda stuff has always been there.
Calling the bible 'an insane book' makes me think you are not overly well versed here, at basic 'the bible' is a rather vast and varied collection of texts that have been in flux for millennia and how one works with these traditions is very much open to interpretation, and inspiration . The Tewahedo canon or the First New Testament might be worth a peek for a gentle intro.
Assuming you are somewhat familiar with the scriptures I suppose the big question is what did you expect when heading into, presumably modern re-imaginings in English, sacred histories, theology, philosophy and scripture from ~3rd century BCE to 3rd century CE? Is the entire period of literature insane in your reading or just the few scraps that made into the protestant canon that stand out, or.....?
Depends what chapter you're reading. Multi genocide, pro slavery, women should be silent property, homosexuals are sinning, impregnating a minor without her consent, eternal torture chamber owner for not kissing his ass isn't leftist. Intergenerational forever curse for eating a fruit before having the knowledge not to sounds like a control freak abusive nutter to me.
They always getting mad when someone explains rage against the machine to them
I used to love RATM until they got all woke and political....
Star Trek, the Matrix, Dune... lots of sci-fi, really
Just about all scifi
Is Dune leftist? I see it more as a scientific work dissecting power structures and human psychology, but not really criticizing those power structures and providing a better alternative.
It was embraced by the Left of its time for being so ecologically-forward. I think one of Dune's central themes is criticizing power from the reader's perspective - we know that Paul and Leto II's plans will have disastrous results, but even with psychic knowledge theyre still short sighted.
Idk. Calling it "leftist" is maybe a stretch, but its left-adjacent id say
Exactly, is Dune leftist?
DOCTOR WHO, especially around the 13th and 15th doctor, arguable 15th doctor was weak actor compared the other ones, and also bad writing.
The boys.
If anyone ever needs an example of how fucking dumb conservatives can be, this is a great one.
Lord of the Rings, it's not full leftist but it's very much anti-war , anti-fascism, and supports environmentalism. Right-wingers love naming their newest Torment Nexus Fascist Tool after Lord of the Rings stuff.
Looking at you Palantir and Anduril
lembas, mithril too.
Ho don’t know this two
peter thiel co-opted lotr and perverted the franchise in his "anti-christ" persona.
I'm not sure if the anti-fascism is not by accident. Tolkien was pro Franco.
I've seen arguments about that both ways. I'm not fully convinced. My take is his opinion on Franco specifically was colored by family ties and he wished the end was not used to justify the means as much but he forgave some of the rebellion and choices agreed for that. Whatever his stance, Lord of the Rings itself reads fully to me anti-fascist
George Carlin is getting posted a lot lately, that one should be obvious.
Also they turned not reading 1984 into a meme
Yes, Star Trek. Hands-down one of the craziest contradictions I can come up with.
My entire generation grew up with Star Trek TNG, DS9, Voyager...I don't think they payed any attention to the actual plot.
they dont, only the fact that a women was in charge in STD, is what set them off.
But…Voyager…
Rage against the machine.
The Matrix
Basically everything they like from before recommendation_watchnext.serve() molded their brains, they believe all the geek franchises they love turned "woke" in the last 10 years.
90% of sci-fi falls in this category. Most sci-fi has leftist roots or messaging, antifascist themes, and so on.
My dad is one of the ones who loves star trek despite its glaring leftist messaging.
Reality
Bruce Springsteen and similar
The Culture series is a post scarcity society run by AI minds, they meddle in the affairs of other alien cultures and that asshat Elon Musk seem to like the stories but probably only like that there was AI ships that gave themselves odd names. He gives his spaceships names in a similar style.
I rather doubt he wants a society like Culture because without scarcity he would be equal to others and he wouldn't want that.
Rage against the machine
One cannot unsee magats rocking out on killing in the name of...
Yes.
IIRC, the original Star Trek was the first TV show to have a kiss between an interracial couple, and was absolutely hated by right-wingers because of it. That, and plenty of other socialist themes like black people having equal status and respect as white people.
Other good ones have been posted, but I'd add the Starship Troopers movie to the list and by extension the game Helldivers 2 which parodies the same fascist regime disguised by democratic jingoism theme as the movie. I believe the original Starship Troopers book was 100% serious with its support for a fascist regime, however.
it wasnt a problem til STDISCOVERY came out, when women were in lead roles and more prominent gay roles. thats when it all sorta started with conservatives. also commenting on older st shows that predated STD is odd.
It's like Voyager never existed.
I don't watch Star Trek, I just know of the socialist and progressive themes that surround it.
Im still iffy about the kiss. I respect the cultural significance, and the fact that the actors stood their ground on it.
But, in the story itself, its forced on Kirk and Uhura, and its just a bit of a weird shade on the whole thing that I guess I have to let slide?
Elon Musk cameo in Big Bang Theory where he said that that’s important to give to poorer people
Also Musk, currently the richest man in the fucking world, considers himself part of the Rebel Alliance against the Empire.
Starship Troopers
(from some post on @dach)
Green enegy posters made by AI?
They are? No clue.
star trek doesnt count, mostly because they never watched it until STD came out, they dint like the "woman, gays" being so on the lead role, thats about the same time when the propaganda became super apparent in naming leftist messages as woke around the time of trumps attempt at a 2nd term. just like with DOCTOR who. around 2020 they start rearing thier stinking heads on comment sections on youtube videos. they only have a problem when a 'white male, christian is the lead role in a movie/show".
right wing only consumes things that are within thier worldview, thats why its almost alwayss fox news, and right wing pundits.
Green Day
Star Wars
X-Men (/Marvel)
My girlfriend's right-winger dad loves Green Day, I don't see how he can with his political views
Probably like how I can enjoy music in Italian while only understanding a few words here and there.
Slipknot.