My computer is so old and shitty that it starts lagging if I use it while it's updating so I have to choose when to let it do so. So I'm forced to wait till I'm done using it.
It comes with frequent failures to boot, and every update is a russian roulette that might just force you to spend the next few hours figuring out what the fuck broke down this time.
I don't know what distro y'all are on, but I've been a beginner on an Arch based distro for a couple of years and I haven't had a major issue that wasn't fixed by an update and reboot.
I used vanilla arch and most popular derivatives, on multiple devices, for something like 5 years. Also, I avoided using AUR whenever possible.
I haven't had a major issue that wasn't fixed by an update and reboot.
Meanwhile I'd update and fail to boot. True, for most scenarios I could just roll back and wait a week before updating, but I had to live boot and arch-chroot plenty of times.
The most annoying was some work backup all in one. I'd update it at most like once a month, it would fail to boot 1/3 times, and i'd rollback, wait a few weeks, and then update again with no issues.
I gave up on arch after working abroad and having to weigh which install command is more likely to fuck up my system after being too afraid to do an update for like a month.
That very much includes garuda... It uses the same repos, it's going to have the same issues. I'm pretty sure the all in one ran it for the longest time.
Snapshots and rollbacks by default are veru much appreciated though.
I keep my install pretty clean, for a desktop machine. Though I use a heavier DE (KDE) so that brings a lot of dependencies. But I only install software via pacman/aur that I am familiar with and know I'll use. If I want to futz with something new or just temporarily, I'll do it via virtualization, flakpaks, nix packages, or app images.
Point is, I try to keep the cruft to a minimum, but I find the meme holds true still.
I use Artix BTW. For now anyway. But so far so good!
I was trawling through Octopi and saw an update notifier. Thought it was neat. Now I won't have to update if there's no updates, I thought.
I removed it after a day. I could have set it to only look once a day, but realised that if I just update as part of what I do before I shutdown then I basically got the same effect, without being actually notified of anything. I don't think there's ever been a time where I ran an update and it said "nah nothing to do 👍"
A related thing I've done is I've made it so pacman can't run outside of Tmux. At least not in that shell profile. One of the reasons is I got so fed up with Ubuntu server that I decided I'd experiment with a few servers being Arch. Some might consider that crazy but it's what experiments are for.
I can't afford to have an ssh disconnect break a system and forcing Tmux prevents me from doing something lazy. Side benefit.. it also means it's easier to not babysit it.
This is all fine as long as you are not on a throttled connection. I read an blog post a couple of years ago in which the author switched from Arch to Debian for a longer offgrid vacation for this exact reason.
That'll be three gigs to download hut we will give you 200 megs of free space back, as far as what's changed? We've further optimized the system for you and you can enjoy using it as before ie more better but nothing you'll notice.
I understand why but updates that do nothing but keep you up to date are annoying for the user.
Yeah I mean, this is the benefit of the fragmentation. If you don't want to update all the time, you just use a different distro. I know I do, I've run Linux for 21 years now and never once run Arch because I don't want what it does, but we're still on the same team, and the things they do benefit me nonetheless. There are drawbacks to the fragmentation, but this is one of the benefits.
When the update takes 15 minutes instead of 2 hours and you have the option to pre-download it whenever you feel like, updating once a week is suddenly not a problem.
As a rescent convert coming from Ubuntu to cachy os, the update cadence of an arch ibased distro, is something to get used to. It is also one of the main reasons behind experimenting with it. I am.using ubutntu and debian for work related workloads, where stabiloty is more important than having.the latest software. For personal use and playing around, cachy has been awesome. You control your own cadence.with updates. I am doing weekly at the moment, or whenever I need some new piece of software.
Well... with Arch it's unsafe to install new software to a system that isn't up to date at least semi-recently. But you really only need to update as often as you install new things. Or more often if you want to.
Ah yes, reading my monthly blob of my 900 and still growing games library updates, marvelous.
Might need a couple of days to just get halfway through.
And fuck the indie games that relies on direct user feedback by the way, those pesky weekly updates! Stop trying making quality games, folks, someone here is bothered by a notification.
Oh no the lastest update made the game crash on launch? Well, wait for next month patch then, we wouldn't dare pushing an update notification, that would be horrendous!
Thanks for reminding me!
> yay
If arch is so hard why are all their users so joyous going yay all the time?
5 minutes?
How does one go so long between updates?
That's my secret; I'm always updating.
My computer is so old and shitty that it starts lagging if I use it while it's updating so I have to choose when to let it do so. So I'm forced to wait till I'm done using it.
What distro?
Do you have a minute to talk about our lord and savior, archlinux?
Does it come with literature?
No, just a wiki
Debian does! :3
It comes with frequent failures to boot, and every update is a russian roulette that might just force you to spend the next few hours figuring out what the fuck broke down this time.
I don't know what distro y'all are on, but I've been a beginner on an Arch based distro for a couple of years and I haven't had a major issue that wasn't fixed by an update and reboot.
Not quite as long for me, but the only challenges I've had with CachyOS are with Windows apps and PEBKAC errors.
I used vanilla arch and most popular derivatives, on multiple devices, for something like 5 years. Also, I avoided using AUR whenever possible.
Meanwhile I'd update and fail to boot. True, for most scenarios I could just roll back and wait a week before updating, but I had to live boot and arch-chroot plenty of times.
The most annoying was some work backup all in one. I'd update it at most like once a month, it would fail to boot 1/3 times, and i'd rollback, wait a few weeks, and then update again with no issues.
I gave up on arch after working abroad and having to weigh which install command is more likely to fuck up my system after being too afraid to do an update for like a month.
Well I wasn't going to, but I guess I'll give a shout out to Garuda, which has given me the gift of Arch but spared me any of these problems!
That very much includes garuda... It uses the same repos, it's going to have the same issues. I'm pretty sure the all in one ran it for the longest time.
Snapshots and rollbacks by default are veru much appreciated though.
Depends. How many virigns in heaven do I get?
Zero, but you'll love the uniform
I did some research. Is this an apt representation of what I can expect? If it is, I'm in!
That's it exactly. Welcome to the club.
Only one, and it's you.
That's it. In that case, screw Arch. I'm going with Gentoo.
mfw arch users are more likely to be virgins than monks.
Comparing the date on the tweet with the date when arch released go-2:1.26.1-1, it appears that it had been over a week since the last upgrade.
Okaybuddyprivateinvestigator
No one lies on the internet when cypherpunk is on the case!
with rolling release comes rolling responsibility
Step one, uninstall garbage like Deno, VSCode, fucking GitHub CLI.
lmfao arch users are such losers
#debian #stable #roll on deez nuts
Joke's on you buddy, I'm using Trixie just like you!
I keep my install pretty clean, for a desktop machine. Though I use a heavier DE (KDE) so that brings a lot of dependencies. But I only install software via pacman/aur that I am familiar with and know I'll use. If I want to futz with something new or just temporarily, I'll do it via virtualization, flakpaks, nix packages, or app images.
Point is, I try to keep the cruft to a minimum, but I find the meme holds true still.
I use Artix BTW. For now anyway. But so far so good!
My reaction was this guy is a Microsoft plant, there’s no way someone running arch isn’t using VSCodium if they liked VSCode
This is not even a meme. I updated my laptop yesterday and here I am doing yet another upgrade with 400mb+ dl size.
I was trawling through Octopi and saw an update notifier. Thought it was neat. Now I won't have to update if there's no updates, I thought.
I removed it after a day. I could have set it to only look once a day, but realised that if I just update as part of what I do before I shutdown then I basically got the same effect, without being actually notified of anything. I don't think there's ever been a time where I ran an update and it said "nah nothing to do 👍"
I literally completed an update the other day and by the time it was done there were new updates. The update notification is useless, lol.
✊ The struggle is real
Net upgrade size should be in the negatives
I heard you like updates. Have you tried Gentoo yet?
Just install pamac, it can update every time you shut down. I don't mind it updating every day if I don't have to babysit it.
I will take a look at this, thanks
I'd also recommend timeshift for recovery from bad updates, if you aren't already.
A related thing I've done is I've made it so pacman can't run outside of Tmux. At least not in that shell profile. One of the reasons is I got so fed up with Ubuntu server that I decided I'd experiment with a few servers being Arch. Some might consider that crazy but it's what experiments are for.
I can't afford to have an ssh disconnect break a system and forcing Tmux prevents me from doing something lazy. Side benefit.. it also means it's easier to not babysit it.
This is all fine as long as you are not on a throttled connection. I read an blog post a couple of years ago in which the author switched from Arch to Debian for a longer offgrid vacation for this exact reason.
Just don’t update
Updating your software is the most important action one can take for cyber security, so no. That is not an option.
Also the update can fail if you wait too long (mostly GPG keys, which can be fixed)
I mean you’ll be fine off grid for a couple months
Not with the arch, i broke several arch installations by being off grid for 2-3 months
Calm down. All updates are not security updates. People can read change logs before deciding to update.
Does anybody read all the changelogs? There are hundreds of updates every time I run things.
Oh fuck I havent used my terminal buddy in two weeks and its arch.
just set up a cron job to upgrade your system every 5 minutes
Update, reboot, schedule another downtime immediately
That'll be three gigs to download hut we will give you 200 megs of free space back, as far as what's changed? We've further optimized the system for you and you can enjoy using it as before ie more better but nothing you'll notice.
I understand why but updates that do nothing but keep you up to date are annoying for the user.
Cuz they are need user to attend
That's nothing compared to rolling release atomic distributions. I use secureblue, and every time I do a rpm-ostree upgrade I have a 1-2GB update D:
Shit! Thanks! I forgot!
I borked my caxhyOS install yesterday with a sudo pacman -Syu......
Took me about 5 min to fix restoring one of the snapshots in the bootloader
Snapshots? What are you, a medical institution?
Pain, back to LTS
I'd you do every day updates, you are a sucker!
"Stateful updates? In this economy?" - some NixOS user
Between what?
What the hell even is Github CLI? Is that like a Microslop clone of git or what?
It's a CLI tool for interacting with remote repos and things like issues and PRs on GitHub.
Do it weekly then.
There should be a law against OS updates more frequent than once a month
I mean, just use any stable distro and you can live that life. Arch is good for its own reasons precisely because it's this way.
Linux guy whipping out the "Actually, it's a feature not a bug" line is very funny.
Does it take effort to be this ignorant, or were you born like this?
You like that? I'm a fan of it.
Well... it is a feature... we are talking about Arch here, a bleeding edge distro meant to be continuously updated.
Want to update once every couple of decades? Go pick something stable like Debian (also Linux BTW).
Yeah I mean, this is the benefit of the fragmentation. If you don't want to update all the time, you just use a different distro. I know I do, I've run Linux for 21 years now and never once run Arch because I don't want what it does, but we're still on the same team, and the things they do benefit me nonetheless. There are drawbacks to the fragmentation, but this is one of the benefits.
When the update takes 15 minutes instead of 2 hours and you have the option to pre-download it whenever you feel like, updating once a week is suddenly not a problem.
Funny because it's true? If you want updates all the time, install Arch. If you want as few updates as possible, pick some LTS distro.
As a rescent convert coming from Ubuntu to cachy os, the update cadence of an arch ibased distro, is something to get used to. It is also one of the main reasons behind experimenting with it. I am.using ubutntu and debian for work related workloads, where stabiloty is more important than having.the latest software. For personal use and playing around, cachy has been awesome. You control your own cadence.with updates. I am doing weekly at the moment, or whenever I need some new piece of software.
No, thank you very much, I like my CVEs and bugs being fixed as soon as possible.
This is not applicable to arch tho
Each package is updated independently, you pull updates whenever you feel like it, be that monthly or every five minutes
Well... with Arch it's unsafe to install new software to a system that isn't up to date at least semi-recently. But you really only need to update as often as you install new things. Or more often if you want to.
What if your favourite game 1 receives an update and your favourite game 2 gets one a couple of days later. Do you wait the month to play game 2?
If I haven't beaten game one, it'll be more than a month.
But synchronizing patch releases so you're not bombarded with notifications would be nice, yes.
Ah yes, reading my monthly blob of my 900 and still growing games library updates, marvelous. Might need a couple of days to just get halfway through.
And fuck the indie games that relies on direct user feedback by the way, those pesky weekly updates! Stop trying making quality games, folks, someone here is bothered by a notification.
Oh no the lastest update made the game crash on launch? Well, wait for next month patch then, we wouldn't dare pushing an update notification, that would be horrendous!