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President Donald Trump bans Anthropic from use in government systems

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THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WILL NEVER ALLOW A RADICAL LEFT, WOKE COMPANY TO DICTATE HOW OUR GREAT MILITARY FIGHTS AND WINS WARS! That decision belongs to YOUR COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, and the tremendous leaders I appoint to run our Military.

The Leftwing nut jobs at Anthropic have made a DISASTROUS MISTAKE trying to STRONG-ARM the Department of War, and force them to obey their Terms of Service instead of our Constitution. Their selfishness is putting AMERICAN LIVES at risk, our Troops in danger, and our National Security in JEOPARDY.

Therefore, I am directing EVERY Federal Agency in the United States Government to IMMEDIATELY CEASE all use of Anthropic’s technology. We don’t need it, we don’t want it, and will not do business with them again! There will be a Six Month phase out period for Agencies like the Department of War who are using Anthropic’s products, at various levels. Anthropic better get their act together, and be helpful during this phase out period, or I will use the Full Power of the Presidency to make them comply, with major civil and criminal consequences to follow.

WE will decide the fate of our Country — NOT some out-of-control, Radical Left AI company run by people who have no idea what the real World is all about. Thank you for your attention to this matter. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP

President Donald Trump bans Anthropic from use in government systemshttps://www.trumpstruth.org/statuses/36981Open linkView original on lemmus.org
lemmy.ca

So they signed a contract, decided they don't like the terms, now they're trying to extort Anthropic and gaslighting to claim Anthropic is strong arming them?

I fucking hate this administration man.

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RamRabbitreply
lemmy.world

Anthropic took a stance against their AI in weapons and battlefield management systems. The government wants that ability and therefore chose to ban Anthropic as a supplier for government systems.

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lemmy.ca

Yes but they already signed a contract WITH the safety limits in place.

I get that obviously they would want them removed, bit that is not what they signed.

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RamRabbitreply
lemmy.world

He doesn't say anything about breaking a signed contract. Simply that Anthropic will be phased out and no longer used by the government.

As a corollary, I doubt Anthropic's contract will be renewed when the current one expires.

Edit: Grammar

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lemmy.ca

They deemed them a supply chain vulnerability.

That’s not the same as choosing not to renew a contract.

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Trump and Hegseth tried two different things simultaneously. They tried to deem Anthropic both a hostile actor, which would cut all DoD contracts off completely, and then also tried to declare them essential and force them to ignore the safety limits set forth in the contract, which is the supply chain thing.

So yeah, the incompetence is showing as it always is.

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RamRabbitreply
lemmy.world

They deemed them a supply chain vulnerability.

This is the justification for phasing them out and (presumably) not renewing the contract. Happens all the time. Usually with less angry internet posts and more quiet paper pushing.

It's one of the reasons DoD things can be expensive. DoD contractors aren't allowed to use the cheap Chinese supplier, for example.

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No, they declared them a supply chain vulnerability and that all companies that do business with the DoD are forbidden from doing business with Anthropic.

What that means in terms of AWS and Google Cloud being DoD contractors and being used to serve Anthropic’s models is still unclear. Potentially this means they can’t.

This is not just justification, this was extortion, and now is them doing their best to destroy this company for standing up to them.

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lemmy.world

Depends on how long the contract is, and who the administration is when that happens.

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Oh. Didn't realize the contracts were just 6 months long. I thought they were more like 10 years or something.

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He doesn't say anything about breaking a signed contract

Ofc he wouldn't say that, especially if it's true LOL

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Ahhh, the good ol' cut off your nose to spite your face. Instead of finding another product to fit their niche use case, they throw all the toys out of the bath tub and have a cry.

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lemmy.zip

This is exactly what he did with every single trade deal he spent the last year working on. It's a pattern of behavior.

And basically why we're where we are with Iran.

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Yeah, you can’t do business with the US government anymore. It’s just not feasible.

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The funniest and dumbest part of this is how he doesn't want the "radical left AI making military decisions..... When what he was pissed about is the denial of anthropic in making the final military decision to launch missiles and fire weapons to kill.

So he's pissed at what was allowed, and he's pissed at what wasn't allowed?

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feddit.org

You have to realize, what exactly Anthropic refused: To extend the current contract to two things:

  • Autonomous Weapons (AI deciding on firing weapons to kill humans)
  • AI-powered mass surveillance of american citizens

refusing those two things makes it to be the only AI company that is ""radical left"". Now Google, OpenAI or Grok will do what Anthropic has done already, plus mass surveillance plus AI-killcommands

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Formfillerreply
lemmy.world

It’s crazy how not only ethics but now safety is “radically left”

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Yeah, one of the two was a pure safety play, not even ethics.

If I sell the military an ATV for shuffling things around on base, I might engineer a speed limiter to prevent the ATV from going faster than what its safety features are rated at. But a demand that I remove the governor so that the vehicle can go all lawful speeds totally misses the point. Whether it is illegal or unethical to do so, it's still bad engineering to use dangerous technology beyond the scope of what it (and its safety features) has been designed for.

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lemmy.world

At the very least, didn't Sam Altman/OpenAI say they intend to have these exact same restrictions?

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Sam Altman the infamous grifter? The same Altman whose foot in the door into the tech industry was inflating user numbers to get his app sold? That Sam Altman?

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I don't want to paraphrase him out of context, so here is his full statement:

"I don’t personally think the Pentagon should be threatening DPA against these companies. But I also think that companies that choose to work with the Pentagon, as long as it is going to comply with legal protections and the few red lines that the field, we have, I think we share with Anthropic and that other companies also independently agree with, I think it is important to do that. For all the differences I have with Anthropic, I mostly trust them as a company, and I think they really do care about safety, and I’ve been happy that they’ve been supporting our warfighters."

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Well, there's news about them being the replacement. So, no, they won't.

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foxwolfreply
pawb.social

Just listened to the "Search Engine" episode about anthropic that I think came out today? I am happy they stuck to their guns, but also, yeah google, open AI, grok, whatever, will happily do whatever crimes against humanity

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Yeah, it's going to be Grok. Who wouldn't want an autonomous Mecha-Hitler killing things?

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IMMEDIATELY CEASE all use of Anthropic’s technology

There will be a Six Month phase out period

What a fucking moron.

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lemmy.today

He used Claude to write this. Also, it's a false flag, Anthropic will still snitch on you.

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Don't think it's a false flag, he's personally pissed at them and they're losing their juicy contract to ClosedAI.

Doesn't change the fact that they're an American corporation and will absolutely snitch on you though.

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I don't think that's what ya mean with "false flag", that's a little specific (could also be me missing your point of course).

But hard agree. Even despite this, it looks good, sure - but let time earn trust, it will find it if there's any to be found.

Until then - nonetheless, I say reward the moves that look like "we don't need you", to fascists. It ain't much but it's something.

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Most probably what went on was...
DoW decided to go with OpenAI for military stuff and Anthropic for covert surveillance.
So they are now giving a PR boost to Anthropic, to increase market permeation and increase their short term effectiveness.

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Anthropic will release 17 updates in that time. They don't care.

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sh.itjust.works

I'm just so tired of seeing 1984 and Brazil and Idiocracy and every other political warning and satire played out in the real world every goddamn day of my life

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Tattorackreply
lemmy.world

Yeah. A good thick slice of Anarchism might be what we need to reset things.

That is Anarchism, with capital "A", the anti-authority ideology.

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IronBirdreply
lemmy.world

wanton violence doesn't really work, this has been tried before. you need precise and well thought out violence. last i bothered to check, something like 70-80% of the $ behind far-right america comes from like <20 people (<100 if you extrapolate that out to the world).

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Schmooreply
slrpnk.net

Where did they mention wanton violence? That's not what anarchism is, and that's also not what's portrayed in V for Vendetta.

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IronBirdreply
lemmy.world

been awhile since i watched V for Vendetta, i remember it as basically just The Purge with accents and a little more monologuing

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You should give it another viewing. There's violence, but it's not just random murder for its own sake like in The Purge. The protagonist carries out a series of targeted assassinations against people who were involved in detaining and experimenting on him in a concentration camp, and blows up a couple of empty buildings at the beginning and end of the movie in a symbolic act of defiance against a fascist regime. There's a bit towards the end where he ships a bunch of guy fawkes masks to everyone and there's some robbing and looting, but no killing until a secret police guy shoots an unarmed child in the street and some people jump him. The plot overall is about people rising up against and toppling a fascist regime, which is pretty relevant to current events.

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The absurdity to claim that Anthropic is strong-arming the DoD and forcing them to do anything when just the other day it was reported that the DoD was threatening this exact action if Anthropic didn't comply with their demands is laughable.

It feels like a pretty low bar to clear to tell this orange fuck to piss off, but at least one of the AI companies has a spine.

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lemmy.world

Anthropic is self righteous and self serving.

Like, I like local LLMs more than most, and Anthropic models are great at the moment, but don’t mistake Anthropic for having a spine.

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Hazzardreply
lemmy.zip

I mean... this is losing them a 200 million dollar contract. And to one of their competitors who will gladly acquiesce, so it's hard to argue that this benefits them.

Good marketing to a bunch of left-wing people who hate AI, I guess, but that feels like Elon joining the Trump administration in hopes of selling Teslas to rednecks, it might work on a few, but I just can't imagine this is 4D chess that will make them a fortune when they're abandoning that much money immediately.

Their statement also came after the DOW threatened to put them on the list of companies that are totally banned from doing any business in America, usually reserved for Chinese companies that are deemed a national security threat, which would make it illegal for any company doing business in America to do any business with them, as they'd be added to the same list, which would have essentially killed Anthropic as a business entirely.

You don't have to love Anthropic because they did a good thing, they were fine with anything less than automatic killing and mass surveillance, after all, but I don't think it's correct to say this was sneaky and spineless somehow.

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lemmy.world

Eh, the context I was thinking of is that they are constantly playing “safety theatre” where it absolutely doesn’t matter. They’ve tried to kill open models and basically capture regulators by misleading or outright lying, for their benefit.

In other words, this is a case of “a broken clock is right sometimes,” and I think they knew Trump will back down.

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Fair, I definitely haven't simped for them in the past just because they post some good articles on AI safety.

Although... I'll say of them, they seem more like what OpenAI should be, actually trying to implement AI responsibly, and freely sharing that information. It's good research, even if marketing is the motivation. Meanwhile OpenAI, the "charity" that's supposed to guide us to a responsible AI future, moved their most addictive and mentally dangerous model to the highest paid tier instead of actually killing it until very recently.

Although at the end of the day, Anthropic is a for-profit company, in a better world they wouldn't have released models publicly before this research was actually done and pressing dangers like AI psychosis were actually safeguarded against. Better late than never, sure, but the whole industry has done a lot of damage already, and the work of resolving the issues still isn't even close to done.

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Ulrichreply
feddit.org

Every day I am more astounded that anyone voted for this absolute moron.

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Jolteonreply
lemmy.zip

Unfortunately, I'm not surprised in the least.

During his first term, he wasn't nearly as unhinged as he was during this term, because he was still building his cult, which he continued doing after he lost the 2020 election. With the 2024 election, virtually everything lined up in his favor. The Democratic candidate was somebody who had not even been in the primaries, the size of his cult was at an all-time high, and the political division was even further increased from 2016. Even with all that in his favor, he still didn't show his most unhinged ideas until after the election.

Anybody with a reasonable amount of intelligence would obviously have voted against him, but forward thinking doesn't seem to be a common trait these days.

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I'm not too familiar with the specifics, but didn't they put their foot down about just two safeguards? Sure, it's having a spine, but I have to wonder if the line they draw isn't a bit too far either way.

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piefed.ca

Anthropic better get their act together, and be helpful during this phase out period, or I will use the Full Power of the Presidency to make them comply, with major civil and criminal consequences to follow.

Anthropic yesterday:

Should the Department choose to offboard Anthropic, we will work to enable a smooth transition to another provider, avoiding any disruption to ongoing military planning, operations, or other critical missions. Our models will be available on the expansive terms we have proposed for as long as required. -Dario's Post

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"We'll do X for you."

"YOU'D BETTER DO X OR YOU'LL BE SORRY!"

"...Yes, as we said, we'll do X."

"HA! I WIN! I BEAT YOU LOSERS AND NOW YOU'RE DOING WHAT I TOLDED YOU TO! THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!"

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feddit.uk

How are Anthropic left wing? I thought they were regarded as being not much better than ChatGPT?

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slrpnk.net

everything 47 personally doesn't like is lunatic left. AOC? lunatic left. eating his broccoli? lunatic left. when his phone runs out of battery mid toilet tantrum? lunatic left

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Blackmistreply
feddit.uk

Two of the Supreme Court Justices he appointed? Believe it or not, lunatic left.

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slrpnk.net

see, you get it. Melania doesn't do blowies anymore? lunatic left. representative Massey from Kentucky? lunatic left. his doctor telling him he shouldn't have more than one vitaball in a day? lunatic left

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wabassoreply
lemmy.ca

lol what’s the Melania one? I want to read his tweet on that.

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They're not. Standard lying and propaganda that they do. You can't trust in anything they say, in any reasoning they claim.

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Oddly enough this positions Anthropic as the sole big player in the (seriously disastrously) complicit landscape of roughly ALL large tech I'm aware of, to say nothing of AI, willing to refuse, and do so publicly, over something that matters, while that thing invites big $$$.

I hate to say this, but this really should be (tentatively, but ideally dramatically) rewarded.

Like a large scared dog, on a leash, in a yard with a bunch of even bigger ones. Ones with leashes held by something permanently unreliable, and all the dogs know it.

And Anthropic is the only one that does the "play bow". And we don't get to leave the yard.

What we do get is bad, and big, choices to be made.

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He didn't get what he wanted, so it's tantrum time until he does.

You know this is how he behaved growing up, his Orc parents indulged it, and that's why he behaves like a spoiled child.

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JasonDJreply
lemmy.zip

Because it's a fucking cult and Trump's word is about as good as fucking Moses'.

You ever see how he wrote the ten commandments? Exact same emphasis.

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lemmy.sdf.org

that's my president, he tells it like it is!

Trump supporters who wear Trump that bitch shirts proudly

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Even by Trump's standards it seems quite unhinged, indeed. Sounds bat shit crazy, tbh.

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Literally none of those words are hyperbole either. This comment is closer to factual reporting than what's left on American TVs.

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You forgot Pedo and Felon... not that anyone cares. Honestly at this point he could sign his emails with that list and people would still vote him in and back him.

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sh.itjust.works

Dude, this just gave Anthropic so much credibility. They can literally own the entire AI market now.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Feel like elaborating any? Looks like pretty over-the-top satire at a glance, but I'd always rather hear from people than read docs, "search things up" (for fuck's sake lol), etc.

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XLE
piefed.social

When the AI company only wants to be 99% Hitler (They're okay with their bot recommending bombing minorities overseas, but they don't want to be held liable when it pushes the button and the bomb comes down in America instead)

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ZC3rr0rreply
piefed.ca

Still. I will happily take a company with some moral fiber over one with none when it comes to this AI race to the bottom.

Not saying Anthropic are the good guys here (there are none IMHO) but they are clearly trying to be the "less bad guys".

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XLEreply
piefed.social

Reports of Anthropic's moral fiber have been greatly exaggerated:

Anthropic publicly praised President Trump’s AI Action Plan... We have been supportive of the President’s efforts to expand energy provision in the US in order to win the AI race.

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Oh, I am not saying they're not still opportunistic money-chasers. Hence the comment about there not being any good AI companies. To me though, their reluctance on some topics and honest admissions on the capabilities of their AI make it appear that they less happy to throw all principals overboard in the race to win the AI market than the likes of Google, Microsoft, and Musk.

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A spoiled brat writing a angry letter to santa saying his parents don't let him do stupid things.

Only it's the elected US President.

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Maybe i should give Claude a try, thanks for recommendation pedo j. trump

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lemmy.world

This is the kind of stuff I think about whenever a Democrat tries to tell me that Biden or Obama were powerless.

They could have done this to the makers of assault rifles in order to spur greater regulation in the wake of mass shootings. After all, they're certainly contracted with various federal entities.

That is, if they gave a shit.

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Unless fully rewritten to the form of bully pulpit, this would still have been considered explicitly dictatorial, erratic and unhinged behavior from a leader, so I assume you just mean “what if dems were more action less talk” and I’m with you.

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Serve Skynet or die... you traitorous scum, is exactly how Skynet gets started and ends.

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This is literally impossible to parody. If I had been asked to write an unrealistically over-the-top demented version of whatever I might imagine Trump would have written to convey this, I couldn't have got close.

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thelemmy.club

He is like a spoiled child, just like his shitstain cabinet. I wish there were some way we could identify those who voted for him in 2016, 2020, or 2024 and tattoo an orange T on their foreheads so they could never go anywhere again without ridicule and harassment.

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Make them exclusively use the Trump phone, I'm sure that will be enough punishment.

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Too inaccurate, Toddler throws a tantrum because someone wouldn't give him a toy. Anthropic started the contract with the rules in place to begin with.

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TheFoganreply
programming.dev

No not really, they are cutting the lesser evil so they can go with the greater evil. In short, Claude won't fire their weapons for them, so mechahitler gets the trigger.

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PALINTIR sure would too, since they have providing "profiles targets" for israel and ukraine.

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No not really. They'll just find another company who will build them machines that kill without human intervention.

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Well, you know what they say. The sun even shines on a stopped dog's ass twice a day.

Or something like that. I don't fucking know anymore.

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Nah. He just has a very high willingness to lie or misrepresent anything. Like, no regard for reputation or consistency or anything. He'll make entirely-contradictory statements depending upon occasion. If he thinks that it will buy the slightest iota of political oomph to say that Anthropic is violating the Constitution, he'll do so, even if he doesn't have the slightest grounds to make that statement.

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lol these statuses always read like trembling balled up fists on a fat angry toddler

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I love how he thinks capitalising a word gives it some kind of magical authority.

or I will use the Full Power (TM) of the Presidency (LLC)

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What AI to use for murder automation probably shouldn't be at the whim of a guy that can probably barely work a TV remote.

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I wouldn't want to hand it to Anthropic, but compared to the flagrant criminality of Trump it's basically impossible to not do so.

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America hasn't won a war (or conflict even) since WW2.

He's a man shaped entity with the brain of a dementia riddled geriatric because that's exactly what he is. That man has so many health conditions the only reason he's not dead is they're fighting over who gets to kill him.

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This post made me realize about how Trump has literally been posting on "Truth" this whole time. It couldn't be more literally 1984 if you tried. "Truth details" jfc

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lemmy.world

Talk in other comment sections suggests this means Nvidia (or AMD, or Cerebras, or Intel or anyone) can’t legally supply Anthropic with hardware.

So it effectively kills Anthropic? And that would sink the stock market.

As at the other extreme, a lot of Big Tech (like Palantir) is heavily reliant on Anthropic, which would unsettle the oligarchs and likely force Trump to walk back.


I don’t know if this is true, but this does smell like one of Trumps many “unenforceable tweets”

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trump is pretty short sighted, only sees the immediate here and now, and not the long chain of things tying things to gether.

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Buy the dip. This is gonna pull AI stocks down a bit and then they will "magically" come to an acceptable deal mid next week.

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RxBradreply
infosec.pub

Seriously, we need to convince him that all of the AI companies are saying mean things about him. Then maybe we might be able to afford RAM.

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Grok will end up with the contract. Even with their back and forth relationship, there's no way Elon doesn't love this outcome and capitalize on it.

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Going to be real fucking funny when they want to target the greatest threat to the United States and it shoots a nuke at the orange pedophiles head

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Quick reminder that anthropic CEO praised Trump for his AI plans. Anthropic also created an organization to help elect politicians that favor them and their business.

A broken clock and all that.

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Yeah I just hope they move their operations to some more democratic country since their location in the US apparently doesn’t help them anyways

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Honestly came to say the same. There are other AI companies willing to suck it for Trump, still they need this one. The fact they refused the demands from the department of war is the cherry on top.

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lemmy.ca

I know which AI chatbot to use now. Thank you Donald!

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Frankreply
lemmy.ca

Not sure if you're anti-AI or something, but I intend to use chatbots. To me, it is now like this: local > claude > everything else

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AndyMFKreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

If they weren't guzzling the worlds water supply, and using the electricity of a small nation, and didn't steal small creators works, and weren't hijacking the worlds supply of RAM, and wasn't causing a bubble that will wreak havoc on the global economy, and it wasn't causing people to go into psychosis by encouraging delusional thoughts, than i probably wouldn't be against it.

Other than those issues it seems fine, but until those are addressed, I'm pretty anti-ai

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Thank you for your well constructed sarcastic comment, brother. It is astonishing how can some people can still praise AI companies publicly without feeling any shame.

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Those are very fair concerns. That's also why I'm prioritizing local open source AI over big centralized datacenters.

  • It doesn't need water.
  • It is private and doesn't collect data.
  • I pay my own electricity bills.
  • Smaller models tend to me more efficient for simple tasks.
  • I use RAM and hardware that I already owned before the AI bubble.
  • I'm smart enough to understand that AI isn't perfect and can be delusional.

While AI is still AI, it does make me feel better.

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That’s basically always been the case anyway, except for Gemini for long context, perhaps.

And, of couse, prioritize open models over API. It’s:

Open training models > open weights models > restrictively licensed open models > open weights models over API > Claude/Gemini

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feddit.uk

God he sounds like he's been watching pickle artist videos. Is he seriously nagging them? "I never liked you anyway America can do better than you!"

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Fits the country like a glove he does.

Truly he is their president and they love taking his shit.

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Jeebus man ! Trump or his oligarch backers have no chance of keeping their violent global hegemony, so they'll take control at home. It won't stop by an election, as both sides are sponsored/paid by the same forces.

I would seriously shit my pants if I were a Merican and had to look forward to decades of an unbridled elite trying to keep their powers by force ! 'Blade Runner' step aside..

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discuss.online

Just signed up for a $20/mo Claude Pro subscription. Money better spent than any donation I've ever sent a politician.

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lemmy.zip

Um.....Anthropic is still a bad company, just not as bad as the rest. Haha

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discuss.online

It's way past time to stop letting perfect be the enemy of the good. Anthrorphic told the orange baby and his bully brigade "no." That'd be worth $20 bucks to me if they were Nestle.

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Fair point. I wish all the AI companies would go belly up, but that is not realistic at this point

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that as the case may be, sending signals is still good. you don’t have to continue for very long, but a flood of support after making a moral decision will make it more likely that they, and others will make similar decisions in the future

the worst thing would be for google for example to see the fallout from this and think “well we don’t want to be them! better start building autonomous weapons”

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