โIf man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of lifeโs exciting variety, not something to fear.โ
That kind of statement can only apply to ideas and attitudes that also respect diversity. Christianity and Islam taken at face value are exclusionary of all other religions. A "true" believer therefore has a moral imperative of destroying diversity in order to protect other people.
This is not saying all or even most followers of these religions will follow that path, but that they need to water down or ignore some of the core theology to fully operate in a diverse society.
Actually there are schools of theology in both of these religions that enshrine diversity and embrace interoperability with other religions. They are just not mainstream because guess what? Mainstream religion is owned by power, and all that power is fascist essentially. Sure enough there are no true believers in anything but power in mainstream religions, start stripping them down on theology field and they reveal it.
I mean, just have a look at any works by Hakim Bey and Tim Morton's latest book.
It's fairly contradictory, actually. With the whole punishing the children of sinning fathers, then having a verse that says that the sins of the father are not the sins of the son, or something like that.
A "true" believer therefore has a moral imperative of destroying diversity in order to protect other people.
I mean they have a moral imperative to try within whatever limits their interpretation of the religion imposes, but that's it. It's not like these religions imply, say, putting followers of other religions in reeducation camps. One can fully operate in a diverse society while still thinking "I'm right and everyone else is wrong when it comes to this thing," for the same reason having political opinions isn't mutually exclusive with diversity. BTW Islam =/= Islamism. The former is a religion; the latter is a political ideology based on the religion.
Again, you're assuming that this belief exists in a vacuum and not as part of an elaborate belief system with clauses specifically meant to address this. Besides, your average leftist believes that if you (well society at large more like) disagree with them millions if not billions of people will be condemned to lifelong poverty for generations. The scale is a bit smaller than eternal damnation, but really this is just how it goes when you have strong/high-stakes opinions about anything.
Well, until my idea is to burn all people called Gene for whatever reason AND I somehow get the means to act upon my flawless idea. Then it's not so delightful and exciting anymore, at least not for the Genes.
Also, FPS death is usually how I lose, or tantrum spirals. I did things the boring way, so invaders could not get in to start a fight in the first place. I was also really bad at managing the smith, and organizing an actual army. My mountain home would usually be a hollowed out mountain of massive hospital rooms, engraved way too much for it's own good. The game starts to run too slow to do anything with it, because well, massive sprawl, and poor management skills.
I was decent at controlling the water flow though, and making it work to my wishes. Even had trapdoored entrances to the channels, so dwarves could dig, clean up whatever mess they could, and get out. The dumbest thing I did, was dump the water inside caverns, flooding the very thing I was supposed to mine with junk-filled water. I had shallow pools of water near entrances for training swimming of dwarves, and cleaning them off from any...unfortunate circumstances.
I was really bad at trade, and would give away a lot of valuable items, for a handful of ones I can't really make, manipulating their moods in the process though. They would then come to find that the goods they wanted, aren't there next season, or that I can't actually buy what I ordered. I hated that part, loading the stuff into the trade area sometimes took longer than the caravan would care to stay.
If you like Rimworld, Dwarf Fortress is kinda the OG of that genre. I would say Hack or Nethack, but those games don't take into account nearly as much as Rimworld or DF.
Look up "Dwarf Fortress cats dying bug alcohol," that should get any Rimworld fan interested in DF.
BTW, you don't have to buy the version on Steam. The OG text version is free, and there are tons of tilesets if you don't like the text graphics.
Oh, don't worry, I know! I've read some DF stories like Boatmurdered. It just seems like way too much for me, and is why I prefer "simplified DF" games like Rimworld.
I don't know about Islamic texts, but the Bible doesn't really say much about hell. If you want to learn about hell, you have to go to preachers. Fire and brimstone is their bread and butter. The more they talk about hell, the more money they make.
Even the "lake of fire" Jesus talks about is a reference to burn pits outside of town where they got rid of garbage. Almost as if taking everything in the bible literally is the wrong lense.
Exactly. There is no actual "hell" in the bible, it's a lake of fire, which is not even a lake.
Christians have no clue what their bible actually says.
Spoiler Alert: there is no satan.
From what I understand, the early church didn't teach anything extra extra-biblical about hell. Until the Roman Empire made it the official religion in 380. Coincidence?
Yeah, it's funny how they take it literally but also infer things that aren't implied, like that the snake in the garden was satan. It just says a snake in the story... That leap is all theirs.
Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole worldโhe was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him."
That's apocalyptic literature, which people interpret in a variety of ways, but it does mention Satan and describes him as a serpent, so it is not a complete leap.
the entire modern idea of "hell" pretty much just comes from dantes inferno, which is funny cause that was basically just fan fiction dante wrote so that he could pretend to interact with the girl next door he never got a chance to talk to
As a LaVeyan Satanist, and former Christian, I can tell you that the Christian bible doesn't mention hell that much, and when it does it's a metaphor. The idea of hell as a fiery undeworld with nine different levels comes from Dante's Inferno. It's the first part of a 14th century Italian poem called The Devine Comedy.
I cannot speak for Islam. I have no experience with that religion.
It sure does suck that everybody who believes in an afterlife goes to Hell when they die. I personally donโt believe it to be the case, but that doesnโt change it from being the reality.
โIf man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of lifeโs exciting variety, not something to fear.โ
That kind of statement can only apply to ideas and attitudes that also respect diversity. Christianity and Islam taken at face value are exclusionary of all other religions. A "true" believer therefore has a moral imperative of destroying diversity in order to protect other people.
This is not saying all or even most followers of these religions will follow that path, but that they need to water down or ignore some of the core theology to fully operate in a diverse society.
Actually there are schools of theology in both of these religions that enshrine diversity and embrace interoperability with other religions. They are just not mainstream because guess what? Mainstream religion is owned by power, and all that power is fascist essentially. Sure enough there are no true believers in anything but power in mainstream religions, start stripping them down on theology field and they reveal it.
I mean, just have a look at any works by Hakim Bey and Tim Morton's latest book.
Christianity is arguably the historically most successful attempt at centralizing power. And it was a political tool from start.
ah, but if you completely ignore all that you can pretend it's just a harmless religion
It's fairly contradictory, actually. With the whole punishing the children of sinning fathers, then having a verse that says that the sins of the father are not the sins of the son, or something like that.
TL;DR, depends on if you are old testament?
The problem is not in the old testament. Mainstream judaism doesn't claim you need to be a jew to achieve salvation.
I mean they have a moral imperative to try within whatever limits their interpretation of the religion imposes, but that's it. It's not like these religions imply, say, putting followers of other religions in reeducation camps. One can fully operate in a diverse society while still thinking "I'm right and everyone else is wrong when it comes to this thing," for the same reason having political opinions isn't mutually exclusive with diversity. BTW Islam =/= Islamism. The former is a religion; the latter is a political ideology based on the religion.
When you believe that if someone disagrees with you they are going to be tortured for eternity, burning books sounds a lot like a lesser evil.
Again, you're assuming that this belief exists in a vacuum and not as part of an elaborate belief system with clauses specifically meant to address this. Besides, your average leftist believes that if you (well society at large more like) disagree with them millions if not billions of people will be condemned to lifelong poverty for generations. The scale is a bit smaller than eternal damnation, but really this is just how it goes when you have strong/high-stakes opinions about anything.
Minor correction. Islam is the religion. Islamism is, essentially, the attempted application of said religion into politics or state law.
Well, until my idea is to burn all people called Gene for whatever reason AND I somehow get the means to act upon my flawless idea. Then it's not so delightful and exciting anymore, at least not for the Genes.
Thanks Gene
\-Me, an intellectual: We are already in hell.
I feel like Hell might just be slightly better.
I'm currently making plans to colonize it.
~WorldsDumbestMan, ex-Dwarf Fortress player
Ex?! Did the clowns in the circus break your spirit?
I got a job...
Also, FPS death is usually how I lose, or tantrum spirals. I did things the boring way, so invaders could not get in to start a fight in the first place. I was also really bad at managing the smith, and organizing an actual army. My mountain home would usually be a hollowed out mountain of massive hospital rooms, engraved way too much for it's own good. The game starts to run too slow to do anything with it, because well, massive sprawl, and poor management skills.
I was decent at controlling the water flow though, and making it work to my wishes. Even had trapdoored entrances to the channels, so dwarves could dig, clean up whatever mess they could, and get out. The dumbest thing I did, was dump the water inside caverns, flooding the very thing I was supposed to mine with junk-filled water. I had shallow pools of water near entrances for training swimming of dwarves, and cleaning them off from any...unfortunate circumstances.
I was really bad at trade, and would give away a lot of valuable items, for a handful of ones I can't really make, manipulating their moods in the process though. They would then come to find that the goods they wanted, aren't there next season, or that I can't actually buy what I ordered. I hated that part, loading the stuff into the trade area sometimes took longer than the caravan would care to stay.
Wtf did I write all this for, oh well.
I found it an interesting read. As a huge RimWorld fan, I can relate to some parts and stare in blank confusion at others.
If you like Rimworld, Dwarf Fortress is kinda the OG of that genre. I would say Hack or Nethack, but those games don't take into account nearly as much as Rimworld or DF.
Look up "Dwarf Fortress cats dying bug alcohol," that should get any Rimworld fan interested in DF.
BTW, you don't have to buy the version on Steam. The OG text version is free, and there are tons of tilesets if you don't like the text graphics.
Oh, don't worry, I know! I've read some DF stories like Boatmurdered. It just seems like way too much for me, and is why I prefer "simplified DF" games like Rimworld.
But did you have suicidal alcoholic cats?
I guess not. I was not so good at keeping them alive, they'd usually end up in some well, polluting it.
I expected better company.
If man is 5 and the devil is 6 then that must make me 7
(this honky's gone to heaven)
But if I go to hell, well then I hope I burn well,
I'll spend my days with J.F.K., Marvin Gaye, Martha Raye and Lawrence Welk
And Kurt Cobain, Kojak, Mark Twain and Jimi Hendrix's poltergeist
And Webster, yeah, Emmanuel Lewis 'cause he's the Antichrist
wouldnt be too surprised if i died 300 years ago and im actually in hell rn
you kid but this is lowk a valid theological take that has been well written
Not really
"Wait. I'm going to your hell? ...haha, checkmate, I don't believe in your hell!!"
"Wow, me too! Let's go and fuck some shit up!"
"Wow, me too! Let's go and fuck
some shit up!, so that we are going to both hells!" XDI don't know about Islamic texts, but the Bible doesn't really say much about hell. If you want to learn about hell, you have to go to preachers. Fire and brimstone is their bread and butter. The more they talk about hell, the more money they make.
Even the "lake of fire" Jesus talks about is a reference to burn pits outside of town where they got rid of garbage. Almost as if taking everything in the bible literally is the wrong lense.
Exactly. There is no actual "hell" in the bible, it's a lake of fire, which is not even a lake. Christians have no clue what their bible actually says. Spoiler Alert: there is no satan.
From what I understand, the early church didn't teach anything extra extra-biblical about hell. Until the Roman Empire made it the official religion in 380. Coincidence?
Yeah, it's funny how they take it literally but also infer things that aren't implied, like that the snake in the garden was satan. It just says a snake in the story... That leap is all theirs.
Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole worldโhe was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him." That's apocalyptic literature, which people interpret in a variety of ways, but it does mention Satan and describes him as a serpent, so it is not a complete leap.
the entire modern idea of "hell" pretty much just comes from dantes inferno, which is funny cause that was basically just fan fiction dante wrote so that he could pretend to interact with the girl next door he never got a chance to talk to
And they are going to be very good friends in hell
Perhaps even roommates
:m
No-one on this planet discovered the true religion and we all go to alien hell.
Bahaha stupid idiots. Praise Gorlmok!
As a LaVeyan Satanist, and former Christian, I can tell you that the Christian bible doesn't mention hell that much, and when it does it's a metaphor. The idea of hell as a fiery undeworld with nine different levels comes from Dante's Inferno. It's the first part of a 14th century Italian poem called The Devine Comedy.
I cannot speak for Islam. I have no experience with that religion.
I think it's funny that so much of popular Christian imagery is from essentially fanfiction written by that guy.
Have you ever read this thing? Technically we're not even allowed to go to the bathroom.
What?
On a sidenote Quran covers look photogenic as hell so why didn't they use the real thing as prop?
It sure does suck that everybody who believes in an afterlife goes to Hell when they die. I personally donโt believe it to be the case, but that doesnโt change it from being the reality.
Religions of a feather flock together, they are just missing a Jew. Those wacky Abrahamic religions I'll tell yah.
Neither of these bitches have actually read their own books
Of course not, they'd go to hell for knowing how to read