They each are good in different ways. Lemmy's search is superb - far better than Reddit's or especially PieFed's. Though PieFed has solved the community discovery and onboarding issues for new users.
Imho PieFed seems unquestionably better for a new user, whereas Lemmy is typically more suited for an established user of the Threadiverse, unless they want one of the new features that only PieFed offers (i.e., most people don't need to move, especially if they use a mobile app).
Yeah, I've said that Piefed needs to rip out its search UI and just copy Lemmy's really. It's more convenient. Rimu has said he's not happy with it if I recall.
I found Piefed to be fine but, when sharing links, the recipients of my sharing complained about their format. It was several months ago, though, so maybe that's changed.
Sorry I don't understand what you mean here, but in the worst case sharing links has never worked well across the Threadiverse - depending on how you mean that, as in if it is on a different instance than what they are on it will take them instead to that other place where they have no account and so cannot vote or comment - while in the best case PieFed has solved this long-standing issue by auto-translating links to be on the same instance as the sender. I do not know how that work for the recipient - I don't think that it would, or could go back to the above scenario.
Anyway this is not unique to PieFed, as I thought PieFed was at least no worse than Lemmy in this regard and ever so slightly more functional - at least I've been ecstatically happy (yes I'm odd:-P) with this new capability it offers, as I've been waiting for it since the Rexodus and it is finally here!!!:-)
The links were functional, but odd looking. The recipients didn't like seeing characters that don't usually show up in links and considered the links suspicious as a result, sometimes not clicking them.
Not exactly a flaw with the tech, but also a reasonable precaution by the recipients. I'm flattered that you assume my friends are on the fediverse but most of them aren't so trying to explain instances and such to them wouldn't go smoothly.
If you are using an app, you might look into how safe it is keep using that app? Or perhaps you ran into a special niche case for a particular URL, but I don't really recall seeing special characters in any URLs related to PieFed so I don't think that's a (major) thing?
I mentioned that it's been a while; maybe they resolved it. In mine there were plenty of at signs and colons. I agree there's nothing upsetting about your links.
Although I wish it was a bit more intuitive and the UI elements worked for it - like the sort functions only work for posts but not comments so sometimes it is difficult to use. For posts though, it's one of the better searchers I've yet seen, especially compared to Reddit 😝.
It's fairly recent, mostly from people doing a code audit, and possibly emboldened by the upcoming Lemmy 1.0. See e.g. https://lemmy.ml/post/42339089/23619001.
Ngl Mbin is kinda awesome, but mainly only if someone wants to browse both Mastodon and the Threadiverse from the same account. It's better imho for e.g. long-titled news articles but not as good for e.g. memes.
I hope I'm not furthering the divide OP mentioned further more than being helpful but it's true so I'll say it: I only joined Kbin.social at first due to the off-putting connection between the Lemmy sourcecode and the tankie devs, but now PieFed provides a cleaner option for that.
i mean, the people who have the time to sit there and nitpick the social justice awareness of source code... aren't exactly going to be the most well-adjusted individuals.
As stated, most of the things here can be turned off
Is it possible to disable how user blocking works?
and one part specifically is a complete misrepresentation
If you're talking about defederation, then no: it's an updated version of the comment that properly explains how it works. To be honest, I think the correct interpretation is even worse: https://lemmy.ml/post/42415919/23664761
No more than an instance on Lemmy can make it so blocked a counts can't reply to someone who blocked them. That's just contradictory blocking philosophies at play.
The way that the defederation claim was originally made was that Piefed automatically blocks lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad and automatically repopulates those instances as blocked if an instance owner wipes their defederation. This wasn't true. And lemmy.ml has never been on the autoblocklist.
In my opinion, this blocking philosophy is hurtful to the Fediverse. To me it feels like EEE from the PieFed devs who clearly dislike the Lemmy devs.
The way that the defederation claim was originally made was that Piefed automatically blocks lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad and automatically repopulates those instances as blocked if an instance owner wipes their defederation. This wasn’t true. And lemmy.ml has never been on the autoblocklist.
Yes, you're correct! And the message I linked no longer includes this disinformation.
I don't know why you think a different philosophy the blocking system from Piefed, regardless of what you think of its impact - has anything to do with any dislike of Lemmy devs.
both user bases are full of a lot of nut jobs and people with extremist and crazy beliefs.
platforms don't change people. that's what nobody gets. fediverse is not going to 'solve' the problem of being people nutjobs seeking other nutjobs to compete over how 'true' their nutjob commitment is.
that's completely irrelevant, because in internet and real life there are nutjobs everywhere. even tho the definition of nutjob might slightly differ for everyone, the platforms allow users to regulate the amount of nutjobs they meet individually, for example by subscribing communities with less of them and/or blocking/filtering.
also, the voting system helps a lot, so ppl get easy feedback about their content and it helps with sorting, too.
Irelephant's OP criticism seems legit, yes. The comment replies on the other hand are chock full of misinformation - e.g. PieFed does not defederate from lemmy.ml right out of the box, nor is that nonexistent capability hard-coded into the software. I don't remember all the details but I do recall Irelephant pushing back against some of those incorrect replies.
It’s concern-trolling and astroturfing. There are lots of proprietary platforms that must feel threatened by the Fediverse so it’s no surprise that the classic divide and conquer strats are making an appearance.
Just use whatever platform you want and don’t feed the trolls.
PS: memes like this just serve to perpetuate and exacerbate the flamewars, so bravo if that’s what you were aiming for.
i've seen nothing but piefed users being smug jerks about piefed and treating lemmy users like they are unwashed plebes. myself included. i've used piefed and it's the same flavor of shit in a different layout.
i have not seen it go the other way around. most are going 'wtf is piefed and why are these people so weird'.
PieFan: “Piefed has better features and looks better.”
“What are the better features?”
PieFan: “They’ll be integrated soon.”
“How does it look better?”
PieFan: “Well, if you’re using an app it looks the same. And if you’re using the desktop website it looks the same.”
“So it’s better on mobile?”
PieFan: “it will be soon.”
“So if Piefed is roughly the same as Lemmy and is federated with Lemmy, I can just stay on Lemmy and keep my posts, comments, and history while still accessing everything on Piefed.”
PieFan: “I hate Lemmy admins!”
I respect your personal opinions, and even agree with some of the grievances you may have, but for people who are already established on a Lemmy instance there is no practical reason to leave it for Piefed. It’s a preference, same as choosing a Lemmy instance.
Edit: People are already taking this personally. I have no skin in this game, but I see these exchanges all the time and it’s frustrating to watch in-fighting between platforms that are connected to each other by design in the first place.
Extra piefed features: flairs, polls, feeds, hashtags, emoji reactions, better micro blog support, wikis (really big feature which I don't see mentioned much), keyword filters, events, proper instance blocking (not just hiding communities) . Some apps don't support all of these yet.
Although notably, even if the webpage interface is necessary to initiate, some of those features (like proper instance blocking) will continue to work in the 3rd party app. Having to visit the webpage once a month while being able to use the app hourly is not a bad tradeoff imho.
Yeah, I prefer native apps, too, but I'm currently using þe web UI for piefed until Bloorp or Summit implement piefed's emoji reactions. Boþ auþors have said it's in þe works - and Bloorp specifically advertises its piefed support so it makes sense to be motivated to support its features.
A wiki would be nice. That’s one feature of Reddit I actually miss.
The only thing Lemmy leaves me wanting for right now is the ability to filter languages and a user page/feed so I can post publicly visible notes and links without putting them on some other community.
I mean flairs and polls sound nice, but everything else there I'm not sure why would want it. I mean hashtags and more emojis? That's awful I don't want that at all. Frankly people use emojis I usually block. And the blocking seems to work fine.
Flairs are useful to organise content on the community. Wikias can be useful for communities. Feeds? This is a huge one people on Lemmy have been calling for a long time (planned for the 1.0 release). Keyword filtering too.
By this logic, we should all leave Lemmy and move to the most popular mobile app, because "it's bigger". Also, I think you might have missed a couple things from those previous conversations 🤔😉.
PieFan: “Piefed has better features and looks better.”
The thing for me is that.... piefed.social webUI looks like ass. It's the victim of "we have to look different so everyone knows we're different!" - many, many years and people who study UX to arrive at the common interface standards we see on all "clone" sites - where the vote numbers are, where the vote arrows lie, how the images work to open dynamically, etc.
The Lemmy webUI is just better UX engineering and layout which conforms to mental norms which were invented by Digg, Slashdot, Reddit, even Freshmeat back in the day or HowardForums of old. Piefed reeks of the "not invented here" syndrome of having to eschew norms to try and prove some point about "not being Lemmy" for political reasons. As a user, the visual layout and operation of the Lemmy webUI is what I want and expect to be using.
All that said, I'm a die hard F/OSS person and all competition is good, it drives innovation and progress. Best wishes to Piefed on their journey.
Fair enough. Rimu himself has said he's not a great designer. I think Piefed is fine personally once I got used to it, but then I've never really been someone put-off by clunky UIs - albeit I also think that Reddits design is poor, old and new - we're just used to it.
The Lemmy webUI is just better UX engineering and layout which conforms to mental norms which were invented by Digg, Slashdot, Reddit, even Freshmeat back in the day or HowardForums of old.
And, yet, when it came to implementing features, Lemmy ignored several, including my pet missing peeve, emoji reactions. A feature so valuable, Reddit monetizes it.
Piefed was missing it, too, but þe devs recognized þe gap and added it. I have more faiþ in piefed to improve þe UX over time.
Þat said, I don't see a vast gulf between Lemmy and piefed, and happily use boþ.
this is pretty much what i have seen too. along with a lecture about how my negative expereinces on lemmy will not exzist on piefed because the magic tools they say are supposed to stop all negative interactions.
despite the users and communities... being exactly the same. it's just a different interface for interacting with them.
piefed seems to be a lot of fart smokers who just want to feel they are part of the latest greatest thing and lemmy instances are 'old and uncool'.
Why are you lying? Lemmy creators are not leftists, they advocate for people getting murdered by the state, they advocate for authoritarianism and control of population. That's why people dislike them, not because they're "leftists."
It's their favored past time when people are against them for their authoritarianism to conflate that with "communism" as a whole and ofc they love to "No True Scotsman" being they're the only "true" leftists lmfao
I can't say I know too much about piefed, however I did notice that a lot of the worst users I knew from Lemmy moved to piefed so that was enough for me.
Like one example is https://jeena.net/lemmy-switch-to-piefed - that's the irl experiences of an actual dev trying out both. That's not "Lemmy hate" to simply report on what this new instance admin actually encountered?
Or there's the account of slrpnk announcing its upcoming switch from Lemmy to PieFed - this is even an established, experienced admin team giving up on bugs in Lemmy and moving to PieFed that is easier to maintain. About those long-standing bugs, the admin says "I have reported the issue multiple times and I am not the only one with the problem since many years..."
How is this hatred of Lemmy's entire existence, as in not merely preferring one software over th other for one's own sake, vs. expressions wishing that the other software did not even so much as exist, as we see in several of those posts (and comments therein) that Blaze has shared in his post?
Yes there disagreements about the tankie devs and how they misuse funds, taking away from further software development in order to run their heavily politically charged and controversial instance (where based on the amount of moderation work going on, seems to consume a great deal of time and effort), without offering much in the way of choices to fund exclusively the software itself alone. But those are "concerns", not actively wishing that the other software platform did not exist?
Neither software is perfect, but the only active hatred I've seen is towards the PieFed side.
So I feel like there's bad faith enough to go around, (like with anything where 'tankie' comes up). The user posting on .ml there was just outright deleted off Piefed by the dev. There's clearly an ongoing thing with those right now.
Lemmy != Tankies, Software != People, and Instance != Platform. e.g. you cannot simply delete someone from "Lemmy PieFed", it would have to be from a specific instance, perhaps PieFed.social?
Likewise railing against tankies is not the same as hatred vs. a FOSS offering - like, anyone at all could make a fork of the PieFed project and thereby become entirely independent of its original main creator?
I dunno what to tell you other than FOSS is FOSS. Hate against free software all you like, but at the end of the day it's still entirely and completely free.🤷
The reply that @[email protected] posted, that links here https://lemmy.ml/post/42415919/23664761 does seem troubling. They seem to be deliberately funnelling users to instances that block three of the most active Lemmy instances because they don't like the pinkos there.
(To be clear, I don't even like hexbear, I just think these decisions should be user controllable, the fediverse already has far too much defederation)
Those options would be far better if they were user controllable, I don't know why fediverse Devs seem allergic to giving users control of their own experience.
It probably comes down what you expect the average new joiner experience to be.
Piefed.zip (and lemmy.zip) for instance gives the choice to the user. A message from the main .zip admin from a few weeks ago
Hey so I’m like a week behind here, but piefed.zip (and lemmy.zip) already blocks hexbear, lemmygrad, and lemmynsfw by default, and sends a PM to the user when they sign up to let them know why we do this, and how to remove it.
I don’t know why fediverse Devs seem allergic to giving users control of their own experience.
I've seen first hand a vast majority of potential new joiners drop due the platform requiring too much configuration to be usable. I understand why some instance admin want to have "good defaults" so that new joiners would at least stay for a bit rather than saying "this whole thing is nonsense, I'll just stay on Reddit"
The way .zip does it kinda seems ideal, having default block lists that can be disabled by users that want to once they are accustomed to the software. Is this a feature of piefed or something zip added?
But it also backs up one of my points, this rational system gets them labelled with "Defederation: Negligent" in the piefed onboarding flow. (Although I don't know how much that affects what order they appear in.)
I understand why some instance admin want to have “good defaults”
Good defaults are good, as long as they are just defaults.
Piefed is great, but there is so much bias built into it. Say what you want about lemmy's devs, AFAIK there is none of their bias built in to lemmy.
The whole jump to piefed movement has not sat well with me. I get the extra features, but for it to really be something for everyone the dev has to consider their approach. Who knows what might be targetted next because the dev doesn't like it. (Hyperbole btw, but its akin to censorship)
Calling piefed.zip negligent because we give users control of their experience speaks volumes about either a poorly thought out system or a purposeful bias which shouldn't exist in federated services. At least add the csam or far right instances to it if its a genuine tool, or remove it entirely
Some fair points here but don't allow the person you are responding to here warp the conversation with highly charged wording choices, possibly influenced by the very drama posts that OP was referring to (except in reverse).
I do not see the word "negligent" anywhere at https://piefed.social/auth/instance_chooser. I see only "Newbie-friendly" and "Choose your own adventure". Is there something wrong or negative (hehe, "negligent") about "Choose your own adventure"? Conversely, "Newbie-friendly" speaks to a playground like experience where even a former Redditor might be able to understand something - without having to bother to read anything at all, certainly nothing as complicated as my very own comment here🤪.
PieFed.zip is not "negligent", nor have I seen any hint or question that it ever might have been? There was concern that it might rather have been "Choose your own adventure" (and if so, then what would be wrong with that?) rather than "Newbie-friendly", but even that was cleared up in favor of the latter.
The person you are responding to is being negligent themselves (in their wording choice) if they are accusing piefed.zip of being negligent.
PieFed.zip is a wonderful instance and to anyone else reading, it is highly recommended by many people to check it out and then recommend it to others as a great default Threadiverse instance (as lemmy.zip likewise used to be, before PieFed's additional features eclipsed Lemmy's).
No, it does not. It has options to censor things, if the instance admin so chooses. A simple click of a box in a UI can control this? (As just one possibility.)
Misinformation item #2:
They seem to be deliberately funnelling users to instances that block three of the most active Lemmy instances because they don’t like the pinkos there
Lemmy.ml is not blocked by default, and as people are saying there, this nonexistent block is also not hard-coded (chiefly since it does not exist, but also the blocks for hexbear and Lemmygrad are likewise not hard-coded, but again are options to select or not).
Btw, here is a post from 2 days ago made by a Lemmy.ml user to a lemmy.ml community, appearing on PieFed.social, the flagship PieFed instance. Can you please explain to me then how lemmy.ml is blocked by default, and that is hard-coded right into the software?
Misinformation item #3:
this rational system gets them labelled with “Defederation: Negligent” in the piefed onboarding flow.
No, it doesn't, nor was it ever thought to? For one, the word "negligent" does not appear anywhere in https://piefed.social/auth/instance_chooser (please do not take my word about any of this that I say here, look it up for yourself and see, but otherwise you are simply spreading someone else's disinformation) - what it says is "Newbie-friendly" vs. "Choose your own adventure", and PieFed.zip is clearly labeled as "Newbie friendly: Yes", and shows up when the selector has chosen Newbie-friendly rather than Choose your own adventure.
The word "negligent" is highly charged (enshittified?), but the wording "Choose your own adventure" is not, which anyway, again, does not even apply here to begin with?
There was a question about whether PieFed.zip was fully "Newbie-friendly", and if you look up hexbear's history you will see why. Especially when they were caught lying to other instance admins. They brought this censorship upon themselves, by refusing to moderate themselves and then harboring people engaging in trolling behaviors outside of their instance, effectively protecting those bullies. Hexbears are leftist MAGAs, and many people on Reddit legitimately cite having left the Threadiverse as a result of being exposed to such, making any instance that federates with hexbear not 100% fully "Newbie-friendly", and rather more "Choose your own adventure".
On the internet, people sometimes lie. You do not have to choose to repeat their lies elsewhere as if they were 100% true (without even so much as a "I heard that people are saying..."). Honestly I expect better from someone on mander.xyz.
another set of forum-like software that can interoperate with Lemmy (and the rest of the Fediverse), but with a bit different set of features and look. I'm sending this comment from my Piefed account.
Plus they can still vote on your content, and send you DMs, which at first did not but the next version increased the rights of the so-called "blocked" users further to also include pinging you. Which is made all the worse by Lemmy not allowing you to stop notifications for any of your content. That "instance block" is so incorrectly misnamed as to be active disinformation, especially when it was promised to us beforehand as the ability to block instances with problematic users (i.e. hexbear and Lemmygrad), but then instead it merely lets users trolls you incessantly unless you move your account to an instance that dares to actually defederate from them (except virtually nobody does to lemmy.ml).
PieFed's set of features is so nice. Like you can set, or deselect, notifications on pretty much anything - get notifications for every single post by a community, or by a user account, or for a comment that is not yours, etc. I have never once regretted switching to PieFed!:-)
I just wnat to complain about lemmy users and stop having 20 piefed bros lecture me how how if i go to piefed everything will be rainbows and sunshine and my farts will smell like cotton candy.
everyone is weirdly insufferable about their little tribe being the best because they use it. might as well be lecturing people about what brand of milk to drink.
I've never had that interaction. I'm also kind of a dum dum and don't even know the difference between between the fediverse, lemmy, all the little stuff. I got my account working and haven't put much thought into it past my brain rotted shit posting.
PieFed is FOSS. It runs in a docker container with fewer resources than Lemmy so you could self-host your own instance if you wanted - see e.g. https://jeena.net/lemmy-switch-to-piefed for one person's irl story attempting to do both.
Other alternatives, besides Lemmy, are Kbin, now forked into Mbin, nodeBB, and flarum at least announced that it would but I am not so sure it will follow through. And that's just the Threadiverse: there's still so much in the wider Fediverse as well, like besides Mastodon there's Pixelfed, and Friendica, Loops is coming up, etc.
You don't ever have to go back to big tech again.
Unless you want content, since we don't have endless varieties like them. This is the price we who stay here pay.
Yeah I'm about to leave bc I can't even look at a cartoon's comments without seeing everybody calling each other tankies. It's been a good few months, but...
Many people (especially in Europe) do not like tankies, particularly the pro-genocide apologetics and heavily pro-authoritarian stance, but that is a separate issue than the FOSS software.
Many people are extremely frustrated with the slowness with which features come to Lemmy - it hurts to be promised something for years and years and have it just never come, more so than if the promise had never been there to begin with.
But I don't recall anyone ever saying that Lemmy should die? Criticism is not the same as hate. The latter is like Linux vs. Windows, while the former is like one Linux distro vs. another. We truly can all get along, each enjoying our own favorites.
Except Hexbears and Lemmygrads, who can't stop themselves from trolling, but even that is somewhat helpful to the Threadiverse in a short term sense to keep it contained there? (While also harmful in the long run to train inside that echo chamber, subsequently making interactions worse outside of it.)
I have, however, heard Lemmings say that PieFed should die as in no longer exist. Somehow the "we should all get along" only ever seems to be applied in a single direction when said by certain people. Btw, you should all move from wherever you are at to Russian, China, North Korea, or the USA - that is the only way that we can ever truly be "at peace"! (/s) But don't worry, if you refuse to move, one of those will come all the way over to you! (I wish I could add /s on this one, especially for the sake of Ukraine, Hong Kong, South Korea, Greenland, etc.) Side note: authoritarians would like it very much if you would simply take their words at face value without considering any context at all.
Somehow the "we should all get along" only ever seems to be applied in a single direction when said by certain people. Btw, you should all move from wherever you are at to Russian, China, North Korea, or the USA - that is the only way that we can ever truly be "at peace"! (/s) But don't worry, if you refuse to move, one of those will come all the way over to you!
I was saying that "we should all get along" is sometimes code for "you should STFU and do what I say" - i.e. we should make efforts to do what such people say, not what they actually mean.
It makes sense - for one thing, Rust is a very difficult language to work with, whereas one reason that PieFed is able to be developed so quickly is its choice to be coded in Python (the non-SQL parts anyway) that many developers are already very familiar with.
And look at the huge backlash against PieFed for even so much as existing alongside Lemmy, even as a fun project that is helpful to the development of the worldwide Threadiverse overall. A fork of Lemmy would be treated much more this way, with scorn and disdain.
i use both and don't give a shit. 🤷
They each are good in different ways. Lemmy's search is superb - far better than Reddit's or especially PieFed's. Though PieFed has solved the community discovery and onboarding issues for new users.
Imho PieFed seems unquestionably better for a new user, whereas Lemmy is typically more suited for an established user of the Threadiverse, unless they want one of the new features that only PieFed offers (i.e., most people don't need to move, especially if they use a mobile app).
Yeah, I've said that Piefed needs to rip out its search UI and just copy Lemmy's really. It's more convenient. Rimu has said he's not happy with it if I recall.
I found Piefed to be fine but, when sharing links, the recipients of my sharing complained about their format. It was several months ago, though, so maybe that's changed.
Sorry I don't understand what you mean here, but in the worst case sharing links has never worked well across the Threadiverse - depending on how you mean that, as in if it is on a different instance than what they are on it will take them instead to that other place where they have no account and so cannot vote or comment - while in the best case PieFed has solved this long-standing issue by auto-translating links to be on the same instance as the sender. I do not know how that work for the recipient - I don't think that it would, or could go back to the above scenario.
Anyway this is not unique to PieFed, as I thought PieFed was at least no worse than Lemmy in this regard and ever so slightly more functional - at least I've been ecstatically happy (yes I'm odd:-P) with this new capability it offers, as I've been waiting for it since the Rexodus and it is finally here!!!:-)
The links were functional, but odd looking. The recipients didn't like seeing characters that don't usually show up in links and considered the links suspicious as a result, sometimes not clicking them.
Not exactly a flaw with the tech, but also a reasonable precaution by the recipients. I'm flattered that you assume my friends are on the fediverse but most of them aren't so trying to explain instances and such to them wouldn't go smoothly.
Fair, though I still don't get: why would there be special characters in them?
e.g. the URL I see this OP on is https://piefed.social/c/fedimemes/p/1727244/piefed-is-cool-lemmy-is-too-what-s-not-cool-infighting-it-drives-away-new-users-unfortu, and the actual OP source is https://thelemmy.club/post/43491796. There a a bunch of numbers there, but not "special characters", so I am not sure where you are getting this from.
Rimu's link asking if people have questions about the code: https://piefed.social/c/piefed_meta/p/1660885/we-re-here-to-answer-any-questions-you-have-about-piefed-s-code.
Special features of PieFed: https://join.piefed.social/features/.
The instance picker: https://piefed.social/auth/instance_chooser.
I don't see special characters in any of these?
If you are using an app, you might look into how safe it is keep using that app? Or perhaps you ran into a special niche case for a particular URL, but I don't really recall seeing special characters in any URLs related to PieFed so I don't think that's a (major) thing?
I mentioned that it's been a while; maybe they resolved it. In mine there were plenty of at signs and colons. I agree there's nothing upsetting about your links.
Yea I gotta say, I can tell dessalines must have had pain in the Reddit search and rage coded a fantastic search function for Lemmy lmfao
Although I wish it was a bit more intuitive and the UI elements worked for it - like the sort functions only work for posts but not comments so sometimes it is difficult to use. For posts though, it's one of the better searchers I've yet seen, especially compared to Reddit 😝.
next thing you'll tell us that bisexuality is real.
I've never noticed it that extreme - perhaps I've just blocked the right people - but I always saw it more like this:
It's fairly recent, mostly from people doing a code audit, and possibly emboldened by the upcoming Lemmy 1.0. See e.g. https://lemmy.ml/post/42339089/23619001.
Personally I believe such criticisms will only strengthen the code by polishing some of its roughest spots, increasing transparency by exposing additional configuration options and the like. The PieFed devs are actively soliciting such genuine feedback - see e.g. https://piefed.social/c/piefed_meta/p/1660885/we-re-here-to-answer-any-questions-you-have-about-piefed-s-code.
I need to set myself up an Mbin account again (I was once on Kbin).
Ngl Mbin is kinda awesome, but mainly only if someone wants to browse both Mastodon and the Threadiverse from the same account. It's better imho for e.g. long-titled news articles but not as good for e.g. memes.
I hope I'm not furthering the divide OP mentioned further more than being helpful but it's true so I'll say it: I only joined Kbin.social at first due to the off-putting connection between the Lemmy sourcecode and the tankie devs, but now PieFed provides a cleaner option for that.
I got on lemmy because I just wanted to ditch reddit. I can't be bothered to set this convoluted shit up again.
Thats pretty much where I am lol. I have an account and I can see both lemmy and piefed content, good enough for me!
I like the threadiverse :)
The majority of us probably do.
But someone downvoted you so obviously not all. 😝🙄🤪
How the hell are people downvoting this sentiment?!🤪
See this comment with PieFed code analysis for context: https://lemmy.ml/post/42415919/23662293
Hahaha, that's what jumped out to me as well.
i mean, the people who have the time to sit there and nitpick the social justice awareness of source code... aren't exactly going to be the most well-adjusted individuals.
They also complained about a proper functioning block system lmfao
Even if that's the case (I don't know the author), I don't think it affects what he wrote in the linked post in any way.
Valid.
As stated, most of the things here can be turned off - and one part specifically is a complete misrepresentation.
Is it possible to disable how user blocking works?
If you're talking about defederation, then no: it's an updated version of the comment that properly explains how it works. To be honest, I think the correct interpretation is even worse: https://lemmy.ml/post/42415919/23664761
No more than an instance on Lemmy can make it so blocked a counts can't reply to someone who blocked them. That's just contradictory blocking philosophies at play.
The way that the defederation claim was originally made was that Piefed automatically blocks lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad and automatically repopulates those instances as blocked if an instance owner wipes their defederation. This wasn't true. And lemmy.ml has never been on the autoblocklist.
In my opinion, this blocking philosophy is hurtful to the Fediverse. To me it feels like EEE from the PieFed devs who clearly dislike the Lemmy devs.
Yes, you're correct! And the message I linked no longer includes this disinformation.
I don't know why you think a different philosophy the blocking system from Piefed, regardless of what you think of its impact - has anything to do with any dislike of Lemmy devs.
No, this particular feature is not related to a dislike of the Lemmy devs. I just wanted to say that I don't like this feature.
But some of the features mentioned in the linked comment are related. Sorry if that wasn't clear, I'm not a native speaker.
Only the automatic instance defederation.
Their way of doing it honestly makes more sense imo.
Agreed. They're both very good. And there's no need to bring one down to uplift the other.
both user bases are full of a lot of nut jobs and people with extremist and crazy beliefs.
platforms don't change people. that's what nobody gets. fediverse is not going to 'solve' the problem of being people nutjobs seeking other nutjobs to compete over how 'true' their nutjob commitment is.
that's completely irrelevant, because in internet and real life there are nutjobs everywhere. even tho the definition of nutjob might slightly differ for everyone, the platforms allow users to regulate the amount of nutjobs they meet individually, for example by subscribing communities with less of them and/or blocking/filtering.
also, the voting system helps a lot, so ppl get easy feedback about their content and it helps with sorting, too.
That's an ironic comment, given how loaded the image you've included is...
Users of either means content for both so doing team sports over this seems foolish.
Me, who didn't even recognise the icon on the left:
Why is this blue clock guy so mean?
I don't follow the topic intensively either, but I haven't seen anyone criticize the other software
https://lemmy.ml/post/42339089/23619001
The fact that it gives a misleading error seems like legitimate criticism tbh.
Irelephant's OP criticism seems legit, yes. The comment replies on the other hand are chock full of misinformation - e.g. PieFed does not defederate from lemmy.ml right out of the box, nor is that nonexistent capability hard-coded into the software. I don't remember all the details but I do recall Irelephant pushing back against some of those incorrect replies.
PieFed needs help to get better, it's not perfect. The main dev Rimu has always asked for exactly that kind of not only direct aid but even critical feedback, or see this post from a month ago: https://piefed.social/c/piefed_meta/p/1660885/we-re-here-to-answer-any-questions-you-have-about-piefed-s-code. That's fairly open and transparent, it looks to me?
I see your problem. There's a .ml in that link. If you block .ml and grad, Lemmy is a pretty nice place.
Not really, it was a post on .world by a shitjustworks user.
https://lemmy.world/post/42299745
Their link is a direct comment link to a .ml user, that's why it's a .ml link
Megathread on their extremism
Hoo boy, be glad then. It's literally everywhere, and all it does is drive away new users.
It’s not literally everywhere, calm down.
Open pretty much any thread about promoting the Fediverse, either here or on Reddit and you will find it.
Show us, because this is the first I've heard of it and I'm on here a few times a day.
The Lemmy devs have arguably pretty worse philosophy but dev with a sense of integrity and don't inject their politics into their software.
The Piefed devs have arguably much better philosophy but do directly build that into their app development.
I'm sorry, I don't think that's an improvement.
It’s concern-trolling and astroturfing. There are lots of proprietary platforms that must feel threatened by the Fediverse so it’s no surprise that the classic divide and conquer strats are making an appearance.
Just use whatever platform you want and don’t feed the trolls.
PS: memes like this just serve to perpetuate and exacerbate the flamewars, so bravo if that’s what you were aiming for.
i've seen nothing but piefed users being smug jerks about piefed and treating lemmy users like they are unwashed plebes. myself included. i've used piefed and it's the same flavor of shit in a different layout.
i have not seen it go the other way around. most are going 'wtf is piefed and why are these people so weird'.
Feud posting is cringe. Everyone can pick a instance thats best for them. Who cares if its not for you.
I’ve seen too many conversations go like this:
PieFan: “Piefed is better.”
“How is it better?”
PieFan: “It’s growing much faster than Lemmy.”
“So it’s bigger than Lemmy?”
PieFan: “No, but it will be soon.”
“So Lemmy has more people.”
PieFan: “Piefed has better features and looks better.”
“What are the better features?”
PieFan: “They’ll be integrated soon.”
“How does it look better?”
PieFan: “Well, if you’re using an app it looks the same. And if you’re using the desktop website it looks the same.”
“So it’s better on mobile?”
PieFan: “it will be soon.”
“So if Piefed is roughly the same as Lemmy and is federated with Lemmy, I can just stay on Lemmy and keep my posts, comments, and history while still accessing everything on Piefed.”
PieFan: “I hate Lemmy admins!”
I respect your personal opinions, and even agree with some of the grievances you may have, but for people who are already established on a Lemmy instance there is no practical reason to leave it for Piefed. It’s a preference, same as choosing a Lemmy instance.
Edit: People are already taking this personally. I have no skin in this game, but I see these exchanges all the time and it’s frustrating to watch in-fighting between platforms that are connected to each other by design in the first place.
Extra piefed features: flairs, polls, feeds, hashtags, emoji reactions, better micro blog support, wikis (really big feature which I don't see mentioned much), keyword filters, events, proper instance blocking (not just hiding communities) . Some apps don't support all of these yet.
Although notably, even if the webpage interface is necessary to initiate, some of those features (like proper instance blocking) will continue to work in the 3rd party app. Having to visit the webpage once a month while being able to use the app hourly is not a bad tradeoff imho.
Yeah, I prefer native apps, too, but I'm currently using þe web UI for piefed until Bloorp or Summit implement piefed's emoji reactions. Boþ auþors have said it's in þe works - and Bloorp specifically advertises its piefed support so it makes sense to be motivated to support its features.
A wiki would be nice. That’s one feature of Reddit I actually miss.
The only thing Lemmy leaves me wanting for right now is the ability to filter languages and a user page/feed so I can post publicly visible notes and links without putting them on some other community.
https://join.piefed.social/features/
I mean flairs and polls sound nice, but everything else there I'm not sure why would want it. I mean hashtags and more emojis? That's awful I don't want that at all. Frankly people use emojis I usually block. And the blocking seems to work fine.
Flairs are useful to organise content on the community. Wikias can be useful for communities. Feeds? This is a huge one people on Lemmy have been calling for a long time (planned for the 1.0 release). Keyword filtering too.
Just one detail: Piefed already reads Lemmy instances, so it being less-used doesn't matter.
And Piefed already has a ton of tools that Lemmy doesn't have, so no-one is replying "they'll be integrated soon" yet. They already exist.
Note: not saying this to convince you of anything. Just noting some details.
By this logic, we should all leave Lemmy and move to the most popular mobile app, because "it's bigger". Also, I think you might have missed a couple things from those previous conversations 🤔😉.
The thing for me is that.... piefed.social webUI looks like ass. It's the victim of "we have to look different so everyone knows we're different!" - many, many years and people who study UX to arrive at the common interface standards we see on all "clone" sites - where the vote numbers are, where the vote arrows lie, how the images work to open dynamically, etc.
The Lemmy webUI is just better UX engineering and layout which conforms to mental norms which were invented by Digg, Slashdot, Reddit, even Freshmeat back in the day or HowardForums of old. Piefed reeks of the "not invented here" syndrome of having to eschew norms to try and prove some point about "not being Lemmy" for political reasons. As a user, the visual layout and operation of the Lemmy webUI is what I want and expect to be using.
All that said, I'm a die hard F/OSS person and all competition is good, it drives innovation and progress. Best wishes to Piefed on their journey.
Fair enough. Rimu himself has said he's not a great designer. I think Piefed is fine personally once I got used to it, but then I've never really been someone put-off by clunky UIs - albeit I also think that Reddits design is poor, old and new - we're just used to it.
entirely agree. piefed interface is so offputting. it needs to be streamlined.
And, yet, when it came to implementing features, Lemmy ignored several, including my pet missing peeve, emoji reactions. A feature so valuable, Reddit monetizes it.
Piefed was missing it, too, but þe devs recognized þe gap and added it. I have more faiþ in piefed to improve þe UX over time.
Þat said, I don't see a vast gulf between Lemmy and piefed, and happily use boþ.
this is pretty much what i have seen too. along with a lecture about how my negative expereinces on lemmy will not exzist on piefed because the magic tools they say are supposed to stop all negative interactions.
despite the users and communities... being exactly the same. it's just a different interface for interacting with them.
piefed seems to be a lot of fart smokers who just want to feel they are part of the latest greatest thing and lemmy instances are 'old and uncool'.
Me with Voyager reaping both 😎
Werd, yo
You should try Voyager, then you'll know what I mean.
I don't use 3rd party apps, but if I did, I would use Voyager. It's that good.
Oh no, have I started another flame war on the Threadiverse by... "expressing an opinion about something"😝.
There also is a rising anti-piefed sentiment too that seems to have risen up in the past week. I think it's mostly reactionary to [see post].
Why are you lying? Lemmy creators are not leftists, they advocate for people getting murdered by the state, they advocate for authoritarianism and control of population. That's why people dislike them, not because they're "leftists."
It's their favored past time when people are against them for their authoritarianism to conflate that with "communism" as a whole and ofc they love to "No True Scotsman" being they're the only "true" leftists lmfao
I can't say I know too much about piefed, however I did notice that a lot of the worst users I knew from Lemmy moved to piefed so that was enough for me.
Yeah what they are is not "leftist"
I see this the other way around as well.
It definitely happens in both directions and neither is helpful.
does it happen both ways though?
Like one example is https://jeena.net/lemmy-switch-to-piefed - that's the irl experiences of an actual dev trying out both. That's not "Lemmy hate" to simply report on what this new instance admin actually encountered?
Or there's the account of slrpnk announcing its upcoming switch from Lemmy to PieFed - this is even an established, experienced admin team giving up on bugs in Lemmy and moving to PieFed that is easier to maintain. About those long-standing bugs, the admin says "I have reported the issue multiple times and I am not the only one with the problem since many years..."
How is this hatred of Lemmy's entire existence, as in not merely preferring one software over th other for one's own sake, vs. expressions wishing that the other software did not even so much as exist, as we see in several of those posts (and comments therein) that Blaze has shared in his post?
Yes there disagreements about the tankie devs and how they misuse funds, taking away from further software development in order to run their heavily politically charged and controversial instance (where based on the amount of moderation work going on, seems to consume a great deal of time and effort), without offering much in the way of choices to fund exclusively the software itself alone. But those are "concerns", not actively wishing that the other software platform did not exist?
Neither software is perfect, but the only active hatred I've seen is towards the PieFed side.
Not sure that this meme reflects the message of those posts on ![email protected]:
That looks like two posts from one user.
The piefed dev also posts about tankies on MWoG.
https://piefed.social/c/meanwhileongrad/p/1723607/tankies-celebrating-financial-problems-at-the-un
So I feel like there's bad faith enough to go around, (like with anything where 'tankie' comes up). The user posting on .ml there was just outright deleted off Piefed by the dev. There's clearly an ongoing thing with those right now.
Lemmy != Tankies, Software != People, and Instance != Platform. e.g. you cannot simply delete someone from "
LemmyPieFed", it would have to be from a specific instance, perhaps PieFed.social?Likewise railing against tankies is not the same as hatred vs. a FOSS offering - like, anyone at all could make a fork of the PieFed project and thereby become entirely independent of its original main creator?
I dunno what to tell you other than FOSS is FOSS. Hate against free software all you like, but at the end of the day it's still entirely and completely free.🤷
I think it reflects the anti-Lemmy logic in the PieFed code. I never saw a single post against PieFed before this was discovered.
Piefed has hardcoded censorship? Yeah that's a no from me.
Lemmy was heavily criticised for doing the same in the early days IIRC. Even the "tankie" Devs got rid of it.
And their thing was a list of slurs.
And it was a temporary measure: https://lemmy.ml/post/42448741/23664485
https://piefed.zip/c/fediverse/p/1005977/piefed-admin-settings-that-allow-to-enable-or-disable-content-filters-they-are-disabled-by
The reply that @[email protected] posted, that links here https://lemmy.ml/post/42415919/23664761 does seem troubling. They seem to be deliberately funnelling users to instances that block three of the most active Lemmy instances because they don't like the pinkos there.
(To be clear, I don't even like hexbear, I just think these decisions should be user controllable, the fediverse already has far too much defederation)
Those options would be far better if they were user controllable, I don't know why fediverse Devs seem allergic to giving users control of their own experience.
It probably comes down what you expect the average new joiner experience to be.
Piefed.zip (and lemmy.zip) for instance gives the choice to the user. A message from the main .zip admin from a few weeks ago
https://piefed.social/post/1649716/comment/9763199
I've seen first hand a vast majority of potential new joiners drop due the platform requiring too much configuration to be usable. I understand why some instance admin want to have "good defaults" so that new joiners would at least stay for a bit rather than saying "this whole thing is nonsense, I'll just stay on Reddit"
The way .zip does it kinda seems ideal, having default block lists that can be disabled by users that want to once they are accustomed to the software. Is this a feature of piefed or something zip added?
But it also backs up one of my points, this rational system gets them labelled with "Defederation: Negligent" in the piefed onboarding flow. (Although I don't know how much that affects what order they appear in.)
Good defaults are good, as long as they are just defaults.
I agree with you.
Piefed is great, but there is so much bias built into it. Say what you want about lemmy's devs, AFAIK there is none of their bias built in to lemmy.
The whole jump to piefed movement has not sat well with me. I get the extra features, but for it to really be something for everyone the dev has to consider their approach. Who knows what might be targetted next because the dev doesn't like it. (Hyperbole btw, but its akin to censorship)
Calling piefed.zip negligent because we give users control of their experience speaks volumes about either a poorly thought out system or a purposeful bias which shouldn't exist in federated services. At least add the csam or far right instances to it if its a genuine tool, or remove it entirely
Some fair points here but don't allow the person you are responding to here warp the conversation with highly charged wording choices, possibly influenced by the very drama posts that OP was referring to (except in reverse).
I do not see the word "negligent" anywhere at https://piefed.social/auth/instance_chooser. I see only "Newbie-friendly" and "Choose your own adventure". Is there something wrong or negative (hehe, "negligent") about "Choose your own adventure"? Conversely, "Newbie-friendly" speaks to a playground like experience where even a former Redditor might be able to understand something - without having to bother to read anything at all, certainly nothing as complicated as my very own comment here🤪.
PieFed.zip is not "negligent", nor have I seen any hint or question that it ever might have been? There was concern that it might rather have been "Choose your own adventure" (and if so, then what would be wrong with that?) rather than "Newbie-friendly", but even that was cleared up in favor of the latter.
The person you are responding to is being negligent themselves (in their wording choice) if they are accusing piefed.zip of being negligent.
PieFed.zip is a wonderful instance and to anyone else reading, it is highly recommended by many people to check it out and then recommend it to others as a great default Threadiverse instance (as lemmy.zip likewise used to be, before PieFed's additional features eclipsed Lemmy's).
I'm not quite sure to be honest.
Hello @[email protected], could you maybe provide some details?
Its a plugin so not default behaviour, although I solidly believe that it should be built in.
It can all be turned off by other instances.
Misinformation item #1'
No, it does not. It has options to censor things, if the instance admin so chooses. A simple click of a box in a UI can control this? (As just one possibility.)
Misinformation item #2:
Lemmy.ml is not blocked by default, and as people are saying there, this nonexistent block is also not hard-coded (chiefly since it does not exist, but also the blocks for hexbear and Lemmygrad are likewise not hard-coded, but again are options to select or not).
Btw, here is a post from 2 days ago made by a Lemmy.ml user to a lemmy.ml community, appearing on PieFed.social, the flagship PieFed instance. Can you please explain to me then how lemmy.ml is blocked by default, and that is hard-coded right into the software?
Misinformation item #3:
No, it doesn't, nor was it ever thought to? For one, the word "negligent" does not appear anywhere in https://piefed.social/auth/instance_chooser (please do not take my word about any of this that I say here, look it up for yourself and see, but otherwise you are simply spreading someone else's disinformation) - what it says is "Newbie-friendly" vs. "Choose your own adventure", and PieFed.zip is clearly labeled as "Newbie friendly: Yes", and shows up when the selector has chosen Newbie-friendly rather than Choose your own adventure.
The word "negligent" is highly charged (enshittified?), but the wording "Choose your own adventure" is not, which anyway, again, does not even apply here to begin with?
There was a question about whether PieFed.zip was fully "Newbie-friendly", and if you look up hexbear's history you will see why. Especially when they were caught lying to other instance admins. They brought this censorship upon themselves, by refusing to moderate themselves and then harboring people engaging in trolling behaviors outside of their instance, effectively protecting those bullies. Hexbears are leftist MAGAs, and many people on Reddit legitimately cite having left the Threadiverse as a result of being exposed to such, making any instance that federates with hexbear not 100% fully "Newbie-friendly", and rather more "Choose your own adventure".
On the internet, people sometimes lie. You do not have to choose to repeat their lies elsewhere as if they were 100% true (without even so much as a "I heard that people are saying..."). Honestly I expect better from someone on mander.xyz.
As I said in a comment:
I saw these and it seems like a pretty new thing.
Do you have any examples of the kinds of posts in your OP? Because Blaze had 2 in one screenshot...
I’m confus… What is piefed?
another set of forum-like software that can interoperate with Lemmy (and the rest of the Fediverse), but with a bit different set of features and look. I'm sending this comment from my Piefed account.
Plus they can still vote on your content, and send you DMs, which at first did not but the next version increased the rights of the so-called "blocked" users further to also include pinging you. Which is made all the worse by Lemmy not allowing you to stop notifications for any of your content. That "instance block" is so incorrectly misnamed as to be active disinformation, especially when it was promised to us beforehand as the ability to block instances with problematic users (i.e. hexbear and Lemmygrad), but then instead it merely lets users trolls you incessantly unless you move your account to an instance that dares to actually defederate from them (except virtually nobody does to lemmy.ml).
PieFed's set of features is so nice. Like you can set, or deselect, notifications on pretty much anything - get notifications for every single post by a community, or by a user account, or for a comment that is not yours, etc. I have never once regretted switching to PieFed!:-)
I don't see this as much as the fighting between .ml and everyone else. Especially recently with .ml v. piefed & various Lemmy users.
I just wnat to complain about lemmy users and stop having 20 piefed bros lecture me how how if i go to piefed everything will be rainbows and sunshine and my farts will smell like cotton candy.
everyone is weirdly insufferable about their little tribe being the best because they use it. might as well be lecturing people about what brand of milk to drink.
I've never had that interaction. I'm also kind of a dum dum and don't even know the difference between between the fediverse, lemmy, all the little stuff. I got my account working and haven't put much thought into it past my brain rotted shit posting.
Now that Piefed is getting popular tankie users are feeling threatened so they sling the mud.
""Threatened""
Clearly they are threatened, that's why they dogpilled your account to show how not offended and threatened they are.
Not scared at all from their "insular safe space" that they leave to do this daily and wonder why nearly every instance defedrates from them.
They seem to be very confident and well adjusted people.
Gotta love how they accused you of being an alt with zero proof because you dared to comment on something.
They could go outside and do some praxis for the theory they say to read, but instead they do this. No wonder why no one but them likes them.
Not everyone using lemmy is a tankie, you know
Many are, unfortunately
Is there a furry Piefed instance yet?
it's just a custom e621 interface that also pulls activitypub.
Seeing posts laid out the same as e6 wouldn't be the worst idea out there. 🤷♂️
Why would one go to pie fed if their main concern was moving away from big tech?
I get that the devs aren’t popular but it’s fully open source isn’t it?
PieFed is FOSS. It runs in a docker container with fewer resources than Lemmy so you could self-host your own instance if you wanted - see e.g. https://jeena.net/lemmy-switch-to-piefed for one person's irl story attempting to do both.
Other alternatives, besides Lemmy, are Kbin, now forked into Mbin, nodeBB, and flarum at least announced that it would but I am not so sure it will follow through. And that's just the Threadiverse: there's still so much in the wider Fediverse as well, like besides Mastodon there's Pixelfed, and Friendica, Loops is coming up, etc.
You don't ever have to go back to big tech again.
Unless you want content, since we don't have endless varieties like them. This is the price we who stay here pay.
Your comment made me want to try and self host pie fed, I hope your happy
So also is piefed. Both are federated systems.
Yeah I'm about to leave bc I can't even look at a cartoon's comments without seeing everybody calling each other tankies. It's been a good few months, but...
Check out ![email protected] - it's fairly awesome 😎👍
Many people (especially in Europe) do not like tankies, particularly the pro-genocide apologetics and heavily pro-authoritarian stance, but that is a separate issue than the FOSS software.
Many people are extremely frustrated with the slowness with which features come to Lemmy - it hurts to be promised something for years and years and have it just never come, more so than if the promise had never been there to begin with.
But I don't recall anyone ever saying that Lemmy should die? Criticism is not the same as hate. The latter is like Linux vs. Windows, while the former is like one Linux distro vs. another. We truly can all get along, each enjoying our own favorites.
Except Hexbears and Lemmygrads, who can't stop themselves from trolling, but even that is somewhat helpful to the Threadiverse in a short term sense to keep it contained there? (While also harmful in the long run to train inside that echo chamber, subsequently making interactions worse outside of it.)
I have, however, heard Lemmings say that PieFed should die as in no longer exist. Somehow the "we should all get along" only ever seems to be applied in a single direction when said by certain people. Btw, you should all move from wherever you are at to Russian, China, North Korea, or the USA - that is the only way that we can ever truly be "at peace"! (/s) But don't worry, if you refuse to move, one of those will come all the way over to you! (I wish I could add /s on this one, especially for the sake of Ukraine, Hong Kong, South Korea, Greenland, etc.) Side note: authoritarians would like it very much if you would simply take their words at face value without considering any context at all.
I was saying that "we should all get along" is sometimes code for "you should STFU and do what I say" - i.e. we should make efforts to do what such people say, not what they actually mean.
Peak Piefed
It makes sense - for one thing, Rust is a very difficult language to work with, whereas one reason that PieFed is able to be developed so quickly is its choice to be coded in Python (the non-SQL parts anyway) that many developers are already very familiar with.
And look at the huge backlash against PieFed for even so much as existing alongside Lemmy, even as a fun project that is helpful to the development of the worldwide Threadiverse overall. A fork of Lemmy would be treated much more this way, with scorn and disdain.
Yeah, but…. 🍕
It must just be þat I mostly browse subscribe, but þis is þe first I've seem þis. I block þe most caustic sites, þough, so perhaps þat's þe reason.
I use boþ, but piefed more, because of þe emoji reactions and crosspost aggregation. Lemmy is ... conservative, let's say, about adding features.
Indeed, those two features are nice