That is the dumbest stance possible. Refusing to acknowledge a scenario does not make said scenario any less valid when it happens, and it is happening.

He chose to take the role of the Trump Appeaser. That's fine with me.

But it also means I couldn't care less about what he's talking when it comes to steps to European independence.

Adding up the spending of all EU members, we spend more than China; we don't even need to spend more, we just need to unify spending.

NATO Sec Gen dismisses idea of future without NATO

Also, we've seen those texts where he's absolutely gargling those little Trump balls

To be fair to him, his role isn't about European independence. That's the EU's job. Currently NATOs defense capability is built around the US, the organizer and founding member. It makes no sense for him to not consider the US because that would defeat the purpose of NATO.

Doesn't really matter what he says if you want EU independence.

but the US is the next major threat we might need to defend against..?

I guess he is afraid that European independent security will make NATO irrelevant and in turn make him irrelevant (and unemployed). Go suck Trump's dick harder, we still cannot hear the slurping from across the Atlantic. He's gone native on us.

Mark was always giving me vibe of suit which will rather run and bend than protect and fight. No-one said it will be easy or cheap. Does he think Ukraine defends itself because it’s easy or cheap? It’s existential matter. And France has nuclear capabilities, as NATO chief he surely knows about it but doesn’t want to make his daddy upset

Europe is “dreaming” if it believes it can defend itself without US backing, Nato’s secretary-general has warned, pushing back against calls in some EU capitals to prepare for a future without Washington’s protection.

The comments come after Donald Trump threatened to use military force to seize Greenland from Nato ally Denmark and to impose tariffs on other allies who opposed him — remarks that unsettled European governments and reignited debate over the continent’s reliance on the US. Although the US president rescinded the threats last week, they prompted renewed calls for Europe to accelerate efforts to strengthen its own defence capabilities.

Mark Rutte, Nato’s secretary-general who last week persuaded Trump to withdraw his threats, dismissed those arguments on Monday. Rutte told EU lawmakers that building a fully independent European defence would be prohibitively expensive and would benefit only the bloc’s adversaries, including Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“If anyone thinks here . . . that the European Union or Europe as a whole can defend itself without the US, keep on dreaming,” he said in remarks to the European parliament. “You can’t.”

“I think there will be a lot of duplication and I wish you luck if you want to do it, because you have to find the men and women in uniform . . . on top of what is happening already,” he said. “It will make things more complicated. I think Putin will love it. So think again.”

Independence from the US security umbrella that has shielded Europe since the second world war was once a niche idea, promoted largely by France.

But the notion of “strategic autonomy” has moved steadily into the EU mainstream in recent years, as Donald Trump’s erratic approach to Nato allies — reinforced by Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine — has sharpened debate over how Europe can strengthen its own defence capabilities.

Last year Nato allies agreed to lift their defence spending to 5 per cent of GDP by 2035, responding to Trump’s demand that Europe shoulder a larger share of the burden for its own defence.

Even so, experts warn that fully replacing the US role in Europe — particularly in areas such as advanced weaponry and critical capabilities on which European forces have relied for decades — would be vastly more expensive.

“If you really want to go it alone, forget that you can ever get there with 5 per cent [defence spending]. It will be 10 per cent,” Rutte said on Monday. “You have to build up your own nuclear capability. That costs billions and billions of euros.”

I'm not sure what he is saying. Is he saying that Europe should give up the ambition or is he saying that EU needs to accept that it will cost more than they are currently shelling in?

Could be honest… but I never hear him "talking sense" into US Americans. It's always Europe that should fall in line. Maybe I just missed it?

As an American, you need a strong military because you are the only hope for genuine honest American citizens.

Crazy... But true.

This dude has no credibility left since he publicly called Trump daddy.

As an American, the only thing I'm afraid of is that it will change the culture of Europe and you will become like America's ego. I think power and strength always eventually wrecks the owner.

I want you guys to be able to own America when the time comes.