Kristi Noem Refuses To Answer Whether ICE Disarmed Alex Pretti Before Fatally Shooting Him
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We literally saw it happen. Why does the media pretend that this is a reasonable answer?
Because a handful of billionaires own the media companies that own all the other media companies.
Any solution to this mess will include making sure that there are no more billionaires.
More Luigis please.
Waiter! Another Luigi please!!
Because they're a bunch of cowards that can't be bothered with the lawsuits they'd have to fight for telling the truth, not to mention the preservation of their precious access to Jabba and his palace.
Bunch of fucking losers.
AP https://apnews.com/article/minneapolis-ice-alex-pretti-videos-861a0d8f3ee182f3b5909b3613900e2e
NBC https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/witness-videos-cbp-killing-minnesota-man-appear-counter-trump-administ-rcna255791
ABC https://abcnews.go.com/US/wrong-witness-court-docs-disputes-dhs-account-minneapolis/story?id=129546666
CBS https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alex-pretti-shooting-contrast-official-accounts-videos/
NYT https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/01/24/us/minneapolis-shooting-alex-pretti-timeline.html
From what I've seen, the media knows the answer and the story is more how the administration refuses to answer rather than the answer itself.
Every time she's on camera she knows a soundbite might make its way to the ears of the cult she depends on, so she won't give any soundbites that go against the cult's mentality such as factual evidence. She also know her time is up and will be in a court sooner rather than later
Those soundbites sure a hell make their way to the cult. I have family mindlessly regurgitating them.
Because they can say/do whatever they want and we're just going to get distracted by the next disney movie or video game.
The Party told you to ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
Because we've always been at war with Oceania. If the media doesn't toe the party's line Donald Trump will sue them for five billion dollars. Because we've always been at war with Eurasia.
Because if you report facts that Republicans don't like, suddenly you're reporting is biased.
Kyle Rittenhouse? At least by their own logic.
Most of January 6th traitors too.
I would rephrase that to many, far more just wielding flags, beating officers with doors etc..., but yes there were a lot of armed protestors on january 6th... and the only person that got shot was one who breached so far past where she was supposed to go that there was no rational way to prevent congress and pence etc... from getting attacked.
Also charlottesville, covid 19 armed protests (https://everytownresearch.org/report/covid-armed-protests/), etc... bottom line there's been a hell of a lot of right wing armed protests... and one thing they all have in common... people blatently brandishing guns didn't get shot by cops.
https://www.thetrace.org/2020/03/freedom-of-speech-open-carry-demonstrations-first-amendment/
From 5 years ago. These guys are protesting with their guns out.
Calvin Ball
Exactly! When it’s a Rittenhouse, it’s a ‘citizen protecting property and defending themselves’, when it’s a Pretti it’s a ‘violent protester attempting to obstruct and massacre law enforcement’.
We are not the same, and they are saying it too.
Surprised she refused to answer - it's not like she's reluctant to flat out lie most of the time.
Because she wants people to know that you can be shot while disarmed. That just being against them means they can kill you.
She knows she's going on trial and knows the facts work against anything she would say if she actually attempted to answer the question because she cannot tell the truth. She's betting on the cult to bail her out, therefore she wont give any soundbites that the cultists would not want to hear, such as facts
She's banking on a Trump pardon, since justice is meaningless to an evil king. We need a presidential impeachment in order to start getting justice for Pretti.
Pics and video receipts, bitch
She can’t answer because they did disarm, then murdered him in cold blood,with NINE fucking shots.
They then walked away like it was a Sunday brunch and left someone else to clean their mess.
America is now run by Nazi fucking scum.
Americans are being gaslit repeatedly by people who align with a child rapist than their American citizens.
Now? They've only dropped their masks (figuratively).
She doesn't need to answer. She's a traitor.
We have multiple videos from multiple angles proving he never touched his LEGAL firearm and then was disarmed before being executed.
Traitors don't get the benefit of the doubt. Arrest her and try her for treason, along with the executioners.
When are we going to learn that strongly worded letters and protests that turn us into a shooting gallery are not a winning strategy? How many good men and women need to get assassinated before we try something different, anything different?
Have you read any American history? This is a pattern.
I just don't understand why good people are so prone to think letting the bully repeatedly punch them in the face will work. Some people won't stop until they are stopped. Everyone knows this. There's a lot of forms that can take, but blowing fucking whistles clearly isn't it.
You're not wrong but you're also not volunteering to get yourself killed as well as likely hundreds if not thousands right off the bat.
Kent State was much smaller and you still ended up with iirc like 40 deaf or injured.
Open rebellion is a last resort because it's guaranteed to come with a body count.
I'm not as well versed on that event as I would like, but isn't that another example of a peaceful protest that turned into a shooting gallery?
Yes most of the turning points in American history have fairly high body counts.
Open rebellion is a terrible idea.
We have extensive data on how to fight the US. We just choose not to use the correct tactics.
Can you elaborate? Do you mean guerilla warfare?
Asymmetric is the way. Anything else is suicide.
A. I'm going to assume that's a joke.
B. You shouldn't say that in public, even saying such a thing is technically a crime.
Violence begets violence.
That’s a trite phase, but it’s no less true.
As soon as America meets violence with violence we’re cooked.
The line is crossed and now we wait for lawmakers to choose a side.
The rule of law OR Fascism
Support and encourage your representatives to stand up to Trump and impeach the childfucker.
Did you forget that they already declined to prosecute him?
I feel like a broken clock with this, but you realize the Supreme Court’s ruling that presidents are immune from prosecution for any acts taken in their capacity as president, which they specifically said would include assassinating political rivals, didn’t come during Trump’s second term right? It came during Biden’s term. The Supreme Court literally told him, “You could assassinate Trump and nothing would happen to you.” He refused to even pursue him for prosecution.
Democrats WILL NEVER SAVE YOU. They never have. They’re guilty of genocide, and you’re relying on an appeal to their humanity. Don’t doom yourself, organize with actual humans.
SCOTUS is owned; what law makers?
Wake up.
Are you volunteering to be the first martyr?
The first, second, third, and fourth martyr positions are already taken. This trolling is no longer effective.
Fine, next martyr, though you knew what I meant. In any case, magical thinking (you just have to want it hard enough) has never worked. If you have suggestions for what to actually do, bring it. Anything short of actions that'll get you killed never seem to be good enough for the complainers.
One thing that hasn't been tried is a general strike (and by strike I don't mean one day off, but a sustained, complete standstill of business without a set end date). That is like the only peaceful means potentially affecting the US oligarchs who finance fascism. And it doesn't have to be the entire US, for starters it would help if at least some states and/or large cities would take part.
Strikes in the US? I highly doubt it.
Most people depend on their jobs for healthcare and have been brainwashed for decades into thinking that if you don't have a job that's your fault, strikes are communism, etc, etc.
Planning for a general strike takes A LONG TIME. It's not something you can just "declare" - you may already know that, but I'll say it anyway for other people reading this. You need time for people to save money, to organize with neighbors, to figure out how they can afford to go without paying bills... The current, most legitimate plans for a general strike, with multiple major unions either behind it or considering it, is for 2028. And even then I don't really know if Americans are organized enough to pull it off, but hopefully we can get there.
We've had dozens of martyrs already, people are dying we don't even know about.
So many backyards and so many ICE agents still breathing...
Next martyr, then. You in?
Position's already taken, I'm afraid.
The 3.5% rule.
Nonviolent resistance has a higher success rate when compared to violent resistance. But non violent resistance does not mean the resistance movement will be bloodless. Authoritarians will respond to both a violent and nonviolent movement with aggression.
Yeah, that "rule" is bullshit. It's cherry picked at best.
Edit: for those downvoting, even the wiki page says as much right at the top.
You're probably right, but i think the point is worth making - a surprisingly small number of people acting in concert can make topple an authoritarian regime.
The thing is, grumbling on Facebook isn't enough. If 5% of people could boycott oligarchs indefinitely, that might undermine Trump's support. That's actually quite hard to achieve though.
The problem with that rule is that it says you have to be perfectly peaceful and roll over. For example, though it's categorized as a non-violent movement, the civil rights movement in the US had a fairly large violent wing as well. Also, the non-violent wing was said to be violent by the media of the time.
Personally, I don't think non-violence alone can accomplish the goals. I think it's useful to show the regime how much support there is, and how much force is available if it's actually needed. The violent wing also needs to be there though causing actual damage that they can witness. They need to see what will happen if they don't listen. The non-violent group will begin increasingly supporting the violent group.
In order to cause real change, there needs to be a credible threat. They don't care if you politely ask for change. They care if they're in danger. That's all authoritarian regimes ever care about. Not the will of the people.
Ok but money is a credible threat.
Dr Jack Goldstone was talking about this on ologies podcast episode about revolutions.
The autocrat supports oligarchs, who use their influence to keep the autocrat in power.
For example, Musk, Bezos, Zucc, contributing many millions in campaign donations to support republicans.
My point is, if public sentiment turns against these oligarchs and is expressed through boycotts, they may withdraw their support for the autocrat. The problem of course is the amount of money Trump is funneling to them in the form of grants and tax cuts. It will be difficult to exceed that.
But not impossible. Boycott big companies is as good a start as any and beats doing nothing.
Criticism is easy. Why don't you suggest a better strategy so we can criticize it?
Naturally, the solution is to interrogate the critique rather than the problem. That approach has an impressive record of success.
If the oligarchs start losing money Trump will be finished in a week.
That said, I dont think Americans have the commitment to sustain a boycott.
Many people, likely a majority, are not in a financial or practical position to participate in a boycott or general strike. That constraint is not accidental. Considerable effort goes into structuring economic life so that such actions are difficult to sustain, and additional effort goes into convincing people they are even more powerless than they actually are.
Even within this comment thread, some seem to overlook the range of options that exist between blowing whistles on one extreme and violent confrontation with the red hats on the other.
I don't really understand if I'm honest.
You don't need to have a general strike as in not going to work or whatever.
If you buy things from Amazon, stop doing that. If you visit facebook, stop doing that. If you use google or chatGPT, make better choices.
Apparently, as few as 5% of a population can cause a revolution.
You're not suggesting a general strike then, you're suggesting something more like a general boycott.
Correct. Boycott oligarchs. @[email protected] mentioned a general strike, not me.
There is that artificial homelessnes they implemented just so they can replace everyone in the case of a general strike.
But in truth most workers can't be substituted for overnight, and if we also started boycotting so nobody buys stuff anyways; it would work insantly.
Europe is prepping to do it for us. They're rolling out EU-based payment processors and switching to Open Source and EU-based tech. Right now, they're too dependent on American companies, so they're divesting from that dependence.
Once they move away from US tech dependency, they can start sanctioning the US and hurting Trump's financial backers. 20 million bubbas with red hats won't matter when a few billionaires start losing money.
I'm looking forward to the day when she has a noose around her throat.
The plastic recycling industry is looking forward to that day too
Puppy killing whore
Hey! Don't bring whores into this! They don't deserve to pickup strays cause of this puppy killer.
Hey now, I've known plenty of whores who are fine and lovely people. At least they give something positive to the world. Noem, not so much.
Whore is much too polite of a word to be used in addressing this rotten hag.
She's a plastic-faced cunt
It’s clear they did. And she knows it.
What a ugly little liar.
I know why she has all that plastic surgery, to get rid of her Pinocchio nose when she lies.
We have all met someone like them. A pleasing exterior but the soul of serial killer.
Yep that’s like 90% of the population of my hometown.
We all know they did, we saw it from many angles.
Did you see how they all backed up into an evenly spaced firing squad, and executed him? They TRAINED for that. They've been given order to get in front of a blocked car, and if it moves, kill the driver. That's why he walked all the way around the car that day, carefully documenting it.
They were also ordered that if anyone is spotted with a gun, kill him immediately, and we see how they've been trained to do that.
Both of those deaths were first-degree murder, and it's likely that SHE gave those orders, likely passed down from Stephen "PeeWee" Himmler Miller. She knows this isn't going the way they thought it would - that people would be intimidated and stop protesting, and the exact opposite has happened. Americans don't take well to literal DEATH SQUADS.
Now she knows that she's likely in the hot seat for a life sentence in prison, possibly even the death penalty, and she's not alone. There is a lot rising on them winning this Civil War, and they have the high ground, so we can expect them to get much worse, not better.
I'm waiting for the Black Panthers to show up open carrying assault weapons. That will be an interesting day.
I'll be honest, for these assholes I'd love for them to get life sentences without parole and isolated from the rest of humanity.
Nope, thanks to the power of the pardon only permanent punishments this next time around.
Actually.
This makes sense.
But I don't think there will be another go round
Nothing lasts forever.
Could you imagine the horrors one would see in whatever hole these people get thrown into if they don't have the chemicals to upkeep their Mar-a-lago face? They are pretty fucking disgusting looking now...and that's with trying to not look bad. I can't even imagine.
Kristi brings this to mind...
She’ll have a reality show on basic cable in two years from now.
Would be interesting if the put her in CECOT
No torture camps. Just swift and irreversible justice.
In case it's not clear republicans are not good people and should be shown nothing but scorn.
You can substitute "Republicans" for "Fascists". They're interchangeable now.
I think republicans is a much better moniker. It indicates exactly who we are talking about.
Your “friends” and family members. All the people who voted for and continue to support this. The people on your socials who continuously move the goalposts and argue in bad faith.
She, like her boss, is incapable of speaking the truth. Pretty sure she would burst into flame if she did.
She's afraid to continue lying. Odd.
She knows they fucked up. She just can't admit they fucked up, without also having to take responsibility for what they did.
Party of personal responsibility.
I hope those people go in front of the court to be put in prison if all this ends.
Or hanged by piano wire
Sounds lovely
Kristi Noem is a lying liar who lies and shoots dogs
the dogs were clearly armed and ready to shoot first
No way she can stay now. It's total BS she'll get a pardon. I wish The Punisher was a real dude. We could certainly do with some vigilante justice. Too much greed and psychopathy.
Wanna bet?
Plenty of tutorials showing how to make body armor.
Trump administration:
Eeeeew... Karl Urban's Dredd is waaaay better.
Hope to see Krusty Gnome hanging around at the Hauge sooner rather than later
Hey now, don't insult gnomes like that.
The Hague is for international crimes, she's just doing domestic shit, muricans deal with it.
Trump, on the other hand...
I would say deporting people to foreign concentration camps without accountability and kidnapping and killing nonviolent civilians from a foreign country is in fact a violation of international laws.
I’m more surprised she didn’t answer instead of saying he did it himself.
I don't usually lower myself to ad hominems, but goddamn demon spawn shit-for-brains. She's more disturbing than possessed Regan MacNeil in The Exorcist.
We should refuse to pay her salary then
@inclementimmigrant If there ever was a "rhetorical" question, that was it. She's not going to answer it and we already know the answer.
Why does any reporter waste their time like that?
Because it's useful to have public officials lie in a blatant and verifiable fashion, based on the actual videos that have been widely published online. Yay for everyone having cameras these days. LoL even NRA opinned on this one. Haven't heard boo from them at all in quite a while, not that I was looking for it.
Because if you simply don't all the questions they dont want to answer them you're not a journalist, youre a propagandist.
@fizzle Let me ask you this Fizzle:
If I ask you a question and I know that the answer that you give to me is a lie or distortion of the truth, what do I do?
Would a good reporter record and repeat the untruth to show how smart he is, or simply find the truth and report that!
Obviously, if im a government official then report my answer and explain why its a lie.