The thing this tweeter misses is that people usually have reasons for buying, a need to fulfil. Like you don't need an optical drive included, so you didn't get a machine with one. Bro is complaining about needing a versatile machine with features like a Dell but is looking no further than the machine designed for prettyboys whose most demanding tasks are Instagram edits and persistent digital life synchronisation.
Nobody ever complains to Nike about their lack of rugged, they walk out and go to a Doc Martens - or they used to before DM sold out
As someone who has used the peripheral ones, there is a tradeoff compared to built-in: they break more frequently. There's just not enough "armor" keeping the internals safe from even just being squished a little too hard in a backpack
Yeah who knows how old this is. A builtin DVD/CD/bluray player? Tweet has date cut off.
But also yeah, I agree with the rest. I tried with the small form factor laptops for a while but in the end it's neither here nor there: I'm not taking it with me everywhere (I don't work in tech), even if it's small. And the times I do take it with me the size does not matter much - as long as it still fits in my backpack I guess.
If its under like 25lbs, its probably still lighter than my backpack in high school was some days without any laptops and that was still very portable.
Also, desktop typically don't last long unplugged.
Desktop computers aren't portable. They aren't meant to be. Whatever this person is designing isn't very portable, either. If it isn't convenient to use on an airplane tray table, I'm not interested.
Does thickness/weight matter a lot for that or just the footprint?
For me, if I can bring it with me when visiting family, it's portable. If all of these were part of the laptop, then I could skip bringing the second monitor and the charger sometimes. So it would be more portable imo.
Thickness matters because the tray table and seat back of the seat in front of you are usually at an acute angle. To get a good viewing angle the screen needs to be open to an obtuse angle. So the top edge of the laptop lid and the seat back will often be in contact to make a comfortable viewing angle, especially if the person in front of you reclines their seat. The thicker the laptop is, the higher the hinge sits. The higher the hinge, the higher the top edge of the lid. The higher that is, the more of an issue this becomes.
Imagine that purple is the tray and seat back, and green is the laptop.
You have options - if the screen is smaller, it'll be less likely to hit. If you slide the laptop out, it gives you more space. That cramps the wrists if you're typing, though, and eventually it'll hit you. Making the laptop thinner gives you more options.
I recently upgraded my t440p's display from the stock TN display to an ips display (N140HCG-GQ2, should also work on your laptop but finding a genuine is a bit dificult) and it made a massive difference, so that's always an option if you feel like it.
I've not noticed a difference to the battery life in reality but in theory the panel should use a watt less at max brightness (4.1W with the stock N140FGE-EA2 vs 3.1W max on the new one), but also has almost double the brightness so does not need to be ran as high.
The main difference is with the colours, the new panel covers 71% of the NTSC colourspace where the other only covers 47%. Plus IPS displays just have much better viewing angles so doesn't need to be viewed straight on.
It's not for everyone and certainly some applications aren't available, but I've been surprised how well a tablet can substitute for a laptop. Plus I use GrapheneOS on a pixel tablet so it's arguably more secure than your average linux laptop.
When they tell me they removed several conveniences to save a quarter pound I'm like, "dog I can deadlift 400 pounds do you think I'll even feel the difference in my bag?" Gimme my ports back you assholes.
Also, apparently dual hot-swappable battery laptops have existed...
Indeed, I still hold on to my trusty ThinkPad T420 for that reason (and the excellent Linux support). Two batteries can be used at the same time, one of them hot-swappable.
I never understood why that didn't take off more, like even when you "could* swap out a phone battery for example (miss you old xiaomi 2 & 5 !) it wasn't hot swappable, even a condensator+some quick deep sleep could probably let you do it if you're fast smh.
Probably because people don't use their laptops when they're mobile as much as you'd think. Spending an additional 100-150€ on a second battery will seem expensive, even when the laptop just cost 1-2k€.
In my dream world you'd pop in and out 18650 batteries in slots on the backside ☺️ a proprietary system would probably be cost prohibitive. For a mobile they had lots of similar flat batteries, and cheap too, but that was then I guess.
Hilariously, my main phone for several years now has been what was intended to be a burner phone.
Bought it at a gas station, was able to unlock it...
Its is garbage in terms of performance at anything beyond like, one tab in a web browser... but, it works as a phone, you can pop the back of the case off.
Removable battery.
Oh and it has a headphone jack too.
So I have a semi decent pair of old school headphones and hey wow, the connecting cord itself works as an FM radio antenna.
And an sd slot, though its only accessible via taking the back shell off.
So yep this one is staying as the backup/emergency/burner, if I ever even do get a 'new' one.
what I want is a mini pc, a battery pack and a docking 'console' in shape of laptop with a DP screen, ports, keyboard and touchpad. I can mix and match these according to my need, like 2 battery packs.
if I know somewhere power, display and keyboard will be available I can simply take the mini pc only.
You know you can do that with most android phones, no? All you need is one of those USB C hubs with HDMI output, and with RJ45 if you want the whole hog.
OMG my xiaomy only has some proprietary bs to make it into a "phone computer", and I already decided the next is going to be a linux phone, this is going to be so fun!
Ha ha just a keyboard a mouse and a screen 😁 and im freeeee! And a charge plug. And a second battery, but that's okay.
Doesn't hit all your requirements, but its closer than it is far away.
General shape of a laptop.
Does have ports, keyboard, and touchpad.
Not a DP screen, doesn't have swappable internal battery packs but you could... slap kinda pouches or straps to the housing, and carry some external batteries or a mouse in em, plug em into whatever 'dock' / usb hub this thing is using.
Then go buy one of those ruggedized, industrial behemoths that come with their own heavy duty transport case, rolling wheels, and Briggs & Stratton engine. ffs it’s not that difficult.
My thoughts exactly. If you don’t want a thin and lite, don’t get one. Just don’t expect a brand like apple to build thick and rugged macbooks. But there are definitely laptops out there that fit those specifications.
not sure why you'd remove the webcam and mic rather than just have a hard mechanical shutoff?
Make the wiring obvious so some reviewers can tear it down and show how it works and you can feel confident it literally cuts power to the components.
It’s not so much a cost thing for me as rather I don’t want onboard mics/cams in general. The quality is always shit and settings default over there when I never use those anyway.
Come to think of it. As little superfluous bs in general.
At my work, we have some ruggedized Dells that are certified for extreme and/or explosive environments that you definitely wouldn't want to get hit with. I have to lug one in my carry on from time to time, I think they're 8-11ish pounds depending on options. Good battery life, pricey as hell though.
Laptops already reached the maximum limit of a battery you can take on an airplane. 100 to 160 Wh batteries need airline approval before you can bring it onto the airplane and anything about 160Wh is forbidden. So yeah larger batteries are not gonna happen, until solid state batteries become the norm.
Or hear me out, sell one with a removable battery so I shove a fuck off big battery in that sonovabitch. I ain't getting on a plane so let me jam a batter that could power the electrical system in my 2001 Tacoma for a week.
Okay but.. how often are you bringing your laptop on an airplane? This feels like an absurdly silly thing to limit our devices by, when the people who are rich enough to afford airplane travel can simply buy a separate laptop to bring on the airplane..
Other than the battery, many laptops branded as "workstations" would fit this description. They're high-performance and expensive, but there are plenty out there.
I like all of those things but currently I really like it to be light enough so it doesn't bother my shoulders. On the go I want it to be light, at home I have everything with peripherals such as a USB hub, external monitors etc.
I really want to get a dock so I can plug everything through a single USB-C port but they are expensive and often have bad Linux support.
Ok I'm at 6 pounds but I really don't think 10 is bad. I used to have to carry probably around 20 pounds of books to school and it wasn't that bad. Backpacks exist for a reason
I will pay a premium for a laptop that has both peak performance and a rugged enough case and build that I can travel with it without freaking out. I need desktop performance and laptop portability.
It doesn't impact the contents of your drive but I would certainly back everything up and be prepared to start from scratch. When I did it I had to get a programmer, disassemble the computer, and hook up wires straight to the coprocessor. Not for the faint of heart
You don't want a 5" thick 50lbs laptop, you want something with Apple Silicon MacBook Pro hardware but more than 3 Thunderbolt ports for connectivity and not from Apple.
The thing lasts forever on battery, outperforms pretty much every (even wall-powered) x86 laptop chip, and has a ridiculously bright screen for a laptop. It's missing the ports and upgradeability (and easy Linux but that's another thing).
....on other news an elderly man thwarted a bear attack by beating the beast with a laptop. The same person could be seen tripping accidentally into the bear enclosure at the world famous SanDiego Zoo animal correction facility where this bear decided serving 3 consecutive life sentences for being at the wrong place and at the wrong time.
The bears family is suing for unknown damages and specially smooth toilet paper.
How they were built in my experience. I had an HP that kept overheating after 30min. I finally took it apart. Fan connected to a copper euct system that passed over the gpu and cpu. Over the cpu there was a gap big enough to see under. I ended up taking a 1980 penny and sanded that shit smooth, pasted it on both sides with teeny drops, then clamped it back down. Overheating stopped, but after about 3 mo the wifi broke, then 3mo after that the gpu (same chip on that mobo). Damage had already been done. I then got a Dell, only to find out about a year later the mobo was involved in a class action lawsuit, only my model, despite having the same board, didn't get a recall. I am not a fan of laptops tbh.
If your laptop doesn't keep a week of battery life on a full load after a year sitting in Death Valley, can't be used to deflect bullets without any damage to it, and can't hold a 16-wheeler jacked up while you change its tires, and still run Cyberpunk 2077 modded at max settings afterwards, better get a desktop instead.
User needs one of those rugged laptops they use for UAVs and at Antarctic research stations. It'll cost like 2 grand, but it meets his requirements lol
Shout-out to my college laptop, a hand-me-down CF-27 Toughbook with a handle. It was a beast and sturdy AF. I could check email, take notes , play nethack, and ssh into my desktop if I needed anything more intense.
We're running on lenovo legion in the office, you can have your cake and eat it too, but even with massive batteries you can hardly get through a meeting without power.
I procure my own stuff so I'm on an acer zenbook duo with two 16x9 screens, when the keyboard is on it, it looks like a t-500, runs linux a champ tho
Look, this is Lemmy so I'm gonna downvoted to hell, but:
This is actually what the Macbook Pro does. After the USB-C-Only generation, they made them a bit thicker, added back some ports (though not as many as OOP seems to want) and you could bludgeon someone to death with one.
Bout as delicate as most laptops. A bit more than a high end business laptop, but much less than a consumer one.
But yes, it's got less freedom of choice than competitors. Linux is meh and Windows doesn't exist anymore.
Edit: I'm a moron and didn't clarify. On Apple Silicon laptops Linux is meh. Because of poor driver support. Windows doesn't exist anywhere though. It's dead to me. Never installing it again if I can help it. I don't actually dislike Linux, I've been using it on and off since 2009 and full time since 2020 lol
Ok It seems I’ve misread your train of thought initially. I thought you meant Linux in general is meh (and windows doesn’t exist anymore=> because well W11 sure ain’t windows as it used to be). My bad.
Ah yeah I wasn't very clear. Yeah, I most definitely meant that in the context of Apple laptops, Linux is meh (in terms of actual usability) and Windows doesn't exist.
Though to be fair - you're right in that Windows doesn't exist to me anymore outside of that ecosystem either. My gaming PC has been running Linux full time since around 2020 - Kubuntu for a few months, then Gentoo for about 3 years, then OpenSuse Tumbleweed for the last 1.5 years. Laptop right now is NixOS, since I sold my M1 Macbook Air and am running a Thinkpad for not-at-home development work till I can get my hands on an M5 Pro MBP or something. I do prefer to have access to both Linux and MacOS for some reason.
I've actually been on and off Linux since Karmic Koala, but it took till about 2020 to realize gaming has gotten so good with Proton that I don't need a Windows install at all.
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TBF I'm happy with an optical drive being a peripheral these days, I probably need mine about twice an average year currently
Agree on everything else though. I miss my 17" from ages ago pretty much because it had a numpad
The thing this tweeter misses is that people usually have reasons for buying, a need to fulfil. Like you don't need an optical drive included, so you didn't get a machine with one. Bro is complaining about needing a versatile machine with features like a Dell but is looking no further than the machine designed for prettyboys whose most demanding tasks are Instagram edits and persistent digital life synchronisation.
Nobody ever complains to Nike about their lack of rugged, they walk out and go to a Doc Martens - or they used to before DM sold out
As someone who has used the peripheral ones, there is a tradeoff compared to built-in: they break more frequently. There's just not enough "armor" keeping the internals safe from even just being squished a little too hard in a backpack
Isn't this trivially solved with some plywood and glue? just make your own protective case for it
Yeah who knows how old this is. A builtin DVD/CD/bluray player? Tweet has date cut off.
But also yeah, I agree with the rest. I tried with the small form factor laptops for a while but in the end it's neither here nor there: I'm not taking it with me everywhere (I don't work in tech), even if it's small. And the times I do take it with me the size does not matter much - as long as it still fits in my backpack I guess.
All I want is a laptop is 6-8 hours battery life that's tiny so it's very portable.
If I want what's described here I'll just use a desktop.
If its under like 25lbs, its probably still lighter than my backpack in high school was some days without any laptops and that was still very portable.
Also, desktop typically don't last long unplugged.
If I have a 25 pound laptop with 2-3 bad dragons all the sudden I'm carrying about 50 lbs.
Maybe build the laptop split across the bad dragons and then it'll be plug and play.
I’m afraid to ask… but is the “bad dragon” you’re referring to the website that sells gigantic alien dildos?
No they are the gigantic alien and monster and fantasy creature dildos.
Thank you for your response, SatansMaggotyCumFart
Idk, pretty standard for the trades no? I've seen gigantic dildos everywhere from tech backpacks to snap-on roll cabs.
Don't be afraid of a good time!
Desktop computers aren't portable. They aren't meant to be. Whatever this person is designing isn't very portable, either. If it isn't convenient to use on an airplane tray table, I'm not interested.
Does thickness/weight matter a lot for that or just the footprint?
For me, if I can bring it with me when visiting family, it's portable. If all of these were part of the laptop, then I could skip bringing the second monitor and the charger sometimes. So it would be more portable imo.
Thickness matters because the tray table and seat back of the seat in front of you are usually at an acute angle. To get a good viewing angle the screen needs to be open to an obtuse angle. So the top edge of the laptop lid and the seat back will often be in contact to make a comfortable viewing angle, especially if the person in front of you reclines their seat. The thicker the laptop is, the higher the hinge sits. The higher the hinge, the higher the top edge of the lid. The higher that is, the more of an issue this becomes.
Imagine that purple is the tray and seat back, and green is the laptop.
You have options - if the screen is smaller, it'll be less likely to hit. If you slide the laptop out, it gives you more space. That cramps the wrists if you're typing, though, and eventually it'll hit you. Making the laptop thinner gives you more options.
Get one that folds backwards!
My thinkpad (480, 490?) is super thin and keeps the lights on for like 8-10 hours.
Screen could be better ofc, can't have everything I guess.
I recently upgraded my t440p's display from the stock TN display to an ips display (N140HCG-GQ2, should also work on your laptop but finding a genuine is a bit dificult) and it made a massive difference, so that's always an option if you feel like it.
Wow, thanks for the tip!
How's the power consumption?
I've not noticed a difference to the battery life in reality but in theory the panel should use a watt less at max brightness (4.1W with the stock N140FGE-EA2 vs 3.1W max on the new one), but also has almost double the brightness so does not need to be ran as high. The main difference is with the colours, the new panel covers 71% of the NTSC colourspace where the other only covers 47%. Plus IPS displays just have much better viewing angles so doesn't need to be viewed straight on.
Excellent!
It's not for everyone and certainly some applications aren't available, but I've been surprised how well a tablet can substitute for a laptop. Plus I use GrapheneOS on a pixel tablet so it's arguably more secure than your average linux laptop.
When they tell me they removed several conveniences to save a quarter pound I'm like, "dog I can deadlift 400 pounds do you think I'll even feel the difference in my bag?" Gimme my ports back you assholes.
Why the hell didn’t they hire you on as a consultant for the laptop design team? Incredible lost opportunity, literally makes zero sense.
or that, you know a lithium ion ups would make that work really well
You have to use 90's tech to keep it on theme, so it would have to be NiCad or lead acid
ouch, we're stuck with lead acid then, nicad lacks energy density
For the battery issue, how much of that is just because they want to stay under the 100Wh mark for shipping in the US?
https://www.winmate.com/en/Product/L140TG-3
Also, apparently dual hot-swappable battery laptops have existed...
Indeed, I still hold on to my trusty ThinkPad T420 for that reason (and the excellent Linux support). Two batteries can be used at the same time, one of them hot-swappable.
The T420 has dual batteries? Weird, my T430s (not recommended btw, but I got it for free) doesn't have those. My x250 has dual batteries though.
Not all variants, and maybe not in all markets. I will try to remember to get the SKU on it and post here.
OK. I think the 's' denotes a budget device.
Even without the 's' suffix the 420 model came in a range of configurations available.
No I meant the T430s:
Yeah I was gonna say, there has to be some ThinkPad variant that... comes pretty close to hitting these requirements.
This is definitely the issue for batteries. Anyone who flies can’t have a battery larger than 100Wh.
I never understood why that didn't take off more, like even when you "could* swap out a phone battery for example (miss you old xiaomi 2 & 5 !) it wasn't hot swappable, even a condensator+some quick deep sleep could probably let you do it if you're fast smh.
Probably because people don't use their laptops when they're mobile as much as you'd think. Spending an additional 100-150€ on a second battery will seem expensive, even when the laptop just cost 1-2k€.
In my dream world you'd pop in and out 18650 batteries in slots on the backside ☺️ a proprietary system would probably be cost prohibitive. For a mobile they had lots of similar flat batteries, and cheap too, but that was then I guess.
My Compaq Armada 1500c has dual removable batteries and a removable floppy drive. The batteries can be lithium or NiMH.
The 800x600 active matrix LCD was a bit of a drawback as the years went by. Most of the websites I made back then are a bit small today.
Doesn't the reduced thickness also contribute to higher Temps and the jet engine fans?
If it was a bit thicker, some of the empty space could be used to push air through and cool the components better.
But if it were like that, how would it die after two years of updates, necessitating you to buy a new one, huh?
Checkmate poors!
Not really.
My ThinkPad X1 Carbon is around 2.5 lb. So thin that sometimes I forget it's in my backpack.
Battery life is at least 5 hours when working but when I'm just reading and doing light things can be way more. (With Linux).
I barely notice the fan even when transcoding and CPU at peak.
The same can be said for phones, first they got rid of removable batteries, then the headphone jack and now they're after the sim slot too.
Remember SD card slots in phones?
That can't stop me from using a USB splitter and connect to a portable SSD glued onto the back of my phone.
How the hell is Lee Jae-yong¹ gonna stop me from doing that?
¹CEO of Samsung
Hilariously, my main phone for several years now has been what was intended to be a burner phone.
Bought it at a gas station, was able to unlock it...
Its is garbage in terms of performance at anything beyond like, one tab in a web browser... but, it works as a phone, you can pop the back of the case off.
Removable battery.
Oh and it has a headphone jack too.
So I have a semi decent pair of old school headphones and hey wow, the connecting cord itself works as an FM radio antenna.
And an sd slot, though its only accessible via taking the back shell off.
So yep this one is staying as the backup/emergency/burner, if I ever even do get a 'new' one.
what I want is a mini pc, a battery pack and a docking 'console' in shape of laptop with a DP screen, ports, keyboard and touchpad. I can mix and match these according to my need, like 2 battery packs.
if I know somewhere power, display and keyboard will be available I can simply take the mini pc only.
You know you can do that with most android phones, no? All you need is one of those USB C hubs with HDMI output, and with RJ45 if you want the whole hog.
Yet another reason users want a Linux phone.
OMG my xiaomy only has some proprietary bs to make it into a "phone computer", and I already decided the next is going to be a linux phone, this is going to be so fun!
Ha ha just a keyboard a mouse and a screen 😁 and im freeeee! And a charge plug. And a second battery, but that's okay.
https://www.techeblog.com/cyberdeck-steam-deck-portable-briefcase-game-console/
Doesn't hit all your requirements, but its closer than it is far away.
General shape of a laptop.
Does have ports, keyboard, and touchpad.
Not a DP screen, doesn't have swappable internal battery packs but you could... slap kinda pouches or straps to the housing, and carry some external batteries or a mouse in em, plug em into whatever 'dock' / usb hub this thing is using.
THANK YOU
Then go buy one of those ruggedized, industrial behemoths that come with their own heavy duty transport case, rolling wheels, and Briggs & Stratton engine. ffs it’s not that difficult.
My thoughts exactly. If you don’t want a thin and lite, don’t get one. Just don’t expect a brand like apple to build thick and rugged macbooks. But there are definitely laptops out there that fit those specifications.
Addendum: no webcam or microphone. Firm keys. A bios that doesn’t make choices for us and lets you actually use the damn thing.
How have I ever wronged you stranger? Why does one voluntary collect enemies like this? I beg of you to stop in the name of world peace.
not sure why you'd remove the webcam and mic rather than just have a hard mechanical shutoff?
Make the wiring obvious so some reviewers can tear it down and show how it works and you can feel confident it literally cuts power to the components.
No webcam is understandable but in the grand scheme of things mics don't cost that much. No harm in having them to make calls
It’s not so much a cost thing for me as rather I don’t want onboard mics/cams in general. The quality is always shit and settings default over there when I never use those anyway.
Come to think of it. As little superfluous bs in general.
Fair, I don't have headphones and the inbuilt ones nowadays have good enough quality to take calls
15 years ago, laptops had this and the space for a optical drive (about 5x M.2 SSD).
They didn't have battery life
But you could swap the battery out.
Ok, maybe 20 years ago.
I bet that most people didn't really do that. I mostly don't do that even though I have multiple batteries.
At my work, we have some ruggedized Dells that are certified for extreme and/or explosive environments that you definitely wouldn't want to get hit with. I have to lug one in my carry on from time to time, I think they're 8-11ish pounds depending on options. Good battery life, pricey as hell though.
I watched someone get fully knocked out when a milspec dell slid off a roof onto them - those things are no joke.
Laptops already reached the maximum limit of a battery you can take on an airplane. 100 to 160 Wh batteries need airline approval before you can bring it onto the airplane and anything about 160Wh is forbidden. So yeah larger batteries are not gonna happen, until solid state batteries become the norm.
Alright then give me a laptop with an 50 array of 99 watt batteries.
So 99wh swappable is the sweet spot?
Or hear me out, sell one with a removable battery so I shove a fuck off big battery in that sonovabitch. I ain't getting on a plane so let me jam a batter that could power the electrical system in my 2001 Tacoma for a week.
Okay but.. how often are you bringing your laptop on an airplane? This feels like an absurdly silly thing to limit our devices by, when the people who are rich enough to afford airplane travel can simply buy a separate laptop to bring on the airplane..
I went from a fat 17inch to a thinner 17 inch and now it's 12 screws and 15 clips to open instead of 5 screws and 0 clips. God I miss my clevo :(
Too 👏 much 👏 clapping
Too much clapping
Other than the battery, many laptops branded as "workstations" would fit this description. They're high-performance and expensive, but there are plenty out there.
I agree with all of this. And seriously, bring back an actual built in ethernet port. Even the best USB adapters are terrible.
I like all of those things but currently I really like it to be light enough so it doesn't bother my shoulders. On the go I want it to be light, at home I have everything with peripherals such as a USB hub, external monitors etc.
I really want to get a dock so I can plug everything through a single USB-C port but they are expensive and often have bad Linux support.
Surprise! Those docks also have bad windows support!
The weight of the laptop peripherals isn't the killer there, its the mass of the cooling loop and charging block.
You could do smaller of either, but you're sacrificing power with the power block and both power and longevity with the heat tubes.
13" screen max
then just make it thicc
That bludging someone to death is a safety feature, so you can defend yourself in case someone attacks you.
Eh, heavy laptops are a pain
Speaking as someone who used an ASUS ROG laptop for Uni
You don't want a heavy laptop
Speaking as somebody who uses a W530 with a 9 cell battery, it's really not that bad
ASUS ROG laptops weigh 9-10lbs
Ok I'm at 6 pounds but I really don't think 10 is bad. I used to have to carry probably around 20 pounds of books to school and it wasn't that bad. Backpacks exist for a reason
I will pay a premium for a laptop that has both peak performance and a rugged enough case and build that I can travel with it without freaking out. I need desktop performance and laptop portability.
I mean it is what you are usually paying premium for.
Everything except the disc reader and writer. Laptops are mobile, I can carry a usb drive if I need extra space, not lug around a bunch of discs.
My ThinkPad T-480 running Linux Mint, my beloved ❤️❤️❤️
Dang, one of the few that can run free firmware. Put libreboot on that thing! If you haven't already
I haven't, but I've been heavily considering it
I've done one before, it was an involved process but doable with the right tools. I think it's easier on the T480s than the older thinkpads though
Is there a way to install LibreBoot, without screwing up my main Linux Mint install? Or would I have to back up my shit, and reinstall from scratch?
It doesn't impact the contents of your drive but I would certainly back everything up and be prepared to start from scratch. When I did it I had to get a programmer, disassemble the computer, and hook up wires straight to the coprocessor. Not for the faint of heart
You don't want a 5" thick 50lbs laptop, you want something with Apple Silicon MacBook Pro hardware but more than 3 Thunderbolt ports for connectivity and not from Apple.
The thing lasts forever on battery, outperforms pretty much every (even wall-powered) x86 laptop chip, and has a ridiculously bright screen for a laptop. It's missing the ports and upgradeability (and easy Linux but that's another thing).
Yeah literally the only thing I wish my MBA has is more USB-C ports and on the right side. And who the hell needs a fucking cd drive in a laptop?
Ron from 2003.
....on other news an elderly man thwarted a bear attack by beating the beast with a laptop. The same person could be seen tripping accidentally into the bear enclosure at the world famous SanDiego Zoo animal correction facility where this bear decided serving 3 consecutive life sentences for being at the wrong place and at the wrong time.
The bears family is suing for unknown damages and specially smooth toilet paper.
There are refurbished laptops that have pretty decent specs and a whole array of ports, y'know.
But not battery life
Perhaps just dust collecting inside and maybe thermal paste aging a little too much. Cleaning 'em out may suffice to get them running cooler again.
That's because back in the day the computer would run windows XP and not 5 electron apps simultaneously
How they were built in my experience. I had an HP that kept overheating after 30min. I finally took it apart. Fan connected to a copper euct system that passed over the gpu and cpu. Over the cpu there was a gap big enough to see under. I ended up taking a 1980 penny and sanded that shit smooth, pasted it on both sides with teeny drops, then clamped it back down. Overheating stopped, but after about 3 mo the wifi broke, then 3mo after that the gpu (same chip on that mobo). Damage had already been done. I then got a Dell, only to find out about a year later the mobo was involved in a class action lawsuit, only my model, despite having the same board, didn't get a recall. I am not a fan of laptops tbh.
Framework baby 😎
ive been suggesting that more people begin making custom cyber decks for years now. you can have a desk SFFPC level of power in a small lil suitcase.
I don't think the size of the screen would make a difference for causing blindness. You want a brighter screen. But then it would also blind you 🤷♂️
He's referring to those:
Seems like they even put them on cars nowadays, probably jacking up the prize for laptop buyers.
If your laptop doesn't keep a week of battery life on a full load after a year sitting in Death Valley, can't be used to deflect bullets without any damage to it, and can't hold a 16-wheeler jacked up while you change its tires, and still run Cyberpunk 2077 modded at max settings afterwards, better get a desktop instead.
User needs one of those rugged laptops they use for UAVs and at Antarctic research stations. It'll cost like 2 grand, but it meets his requirements lol
2 grand isn't even that much in the grand scheme of things. A new Macbook starts at over 2 grand these days...
Shout-out to my college laptop, a hand-me-down CF-27 Toughbook with a handle. It was a beast and sturdy AF. I could check email, take notes , play nethack, and ssh into my desktop if I needed anything more intense.
Pepper spray? Out
Laptop so big you can bludgeon an assailant to death? In
panasonic toughbook / let's note
14" screen 16x10 2560x1600 res dual video so i can use low power or light gaming.
Enough nits to see it outside in direct sun
Keyboard with a little travel, power button outside the keyboard.
touchpad the size of a 2010 smart phone with good palm rejection
14 hours of battery life, 3 hours of gaming
USBC charging, battery charge indicator with a button so i can see power when it's off.
2 usbc thunderbolt, 3 usb a 3.1+, minisd card reader, microsd card reader.
Headphone jack, ethernet jack, HDMI port.
Bluetooth and Not killer wifi.
Speakers with enough range not to sound like total ass, volume that doesn't clip when turned up.
Memory accessible by opening 2 screws.
The newest Ideapad Slim 5 16" AMD ticks all of those boxes.
Only exception is ethernet port but it has everything else AFAIK.
You know, ethernet on USBC is not the worst thing. I am a little worried about the videocard though.
The Ideapad Pro 5 has an RTX 5050 option however you lose the upgradable RAM.
We're running on lenovo legion in the office, you can have your cake and eat it too, but even with massive batteries you can hardly get through a meeting without power.
I procure my own stuff so I'm on an acer zenbook duo with two 16x9 screens, when the keyboard is on it, it looks like a t-500, runs linux a champ tho
I miss my dell workstation 2016
I'll take a dozen of those :)
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-Thinkpad-W700-W700ds-Notebook.15275.0.html
So... Someone fancy building a portable desktop with built in screen and a battery?
Remember the old fashioned document cases from the 90's? With the handle?
Perfection.
I sold a couple Dell XPS M2010 laptops in the late 2000s that had the handle and all that.
Look, this is Lemmy so I'm gonna downvoted to hell, but:
This is actually what the Macbook Pro does. After the USB-C-Only generation, they made them a bit thicker, added back some ports (though not as many as OOP seems to want) and you could bludgeon someone to death with one.
It's pretty delicate though right? And it has macOS
Bout as delicate as most laptops. A bit more than a high end business laptop, but much less than a consumer one.
But yes, it's got less freedom of choice than competitors. Linux is meh and Windows doesn't exist anymore.
Edit: I'm a moron and didn't clarify. On Apple Silicon laptops Linux is meh. Because of poor driver support. Windows doesn't exist anywhere though. It's dead to me. Never installing it again if I can help it. I don't actually dislike Linux, I've been using it on and off since 2009 and full time since 2020 lol
“Linux is meh”
Sounds like a you problem.
Have you been able to get it working properly on Apple Silicon? Because my Linux experience on it has been meh.
On my X86 computers it works great.
Ok It seems I’ve misread your train of thought initially. I thought you meant Linux in general is meh (and windows doesn’t exist anymore=> because well W11 sure ain’t windows as it used to be). My bad.
Ah yeah I wasn't very clear. Yeah, I most definitely meant that in the context of Apple laptops, Linux is meh (in terms of actual usability) and Windows doesn't exist.
Though to be fair - you're right in that Windows doesn't exist to me anymore outside of that ecosystem either. My gaming PC has been running Linux full time since around 2020 - Kubuntu for a few months, then Gentoo for about 3 years, then OpenSuse Tumbleweed for the last 1.5 years. Laptop right now is NixOS, since I sold my M1 Macbook Air and am running a Thinkpad for not-at-home development work till I can get my hands on an M5 Pro MBP or something. I do prefer to have access to both Linux and MacOS for some reason.
I've actually been on and off Linux since Karmic Koala, but it took till about 2020 to realize gaming has gotten so good with Proton that I don't need a Windows install at all.
How would the internet market a weaponized tablet or laptop?
Just like in Perfect Dark.
And that laptop is in the shape of a brick
Sounds like you want a desktop mate. Have you tried a desktop?
The battery in my desktop is just enough to keep time for a couple of years if it's powered off. Totally insufficient
Kinda hard to take the desktop outside for a smoke. Or into the kitchen for food. Or anywhere else really.
It shouldn't be smoking, turn down your clockspeed.