We have a few mildly dangerous ones and I have kids.
Our rule is if the spider stays in his world we leave it alone, if it's in ours, they may be out of luck. The doorway is a neutral zone along with usually the entryway and questionably the kitchen.
Same, I had two Joros this year. Their webs are LITERALLY gold, it's so cool. They really just chill. Imagine my disappointment when both disappeared before the New Year and I learned their lifespans. :(
Not native here, either, but supposedly not a real threat to anything. They're everywhere here now. Coolest thing I learned is that their babies can "balloon" and fly for up to hundreds of miles on wind currents. And the little tiny baby spider in the web isn't a baby, it's the little bitch-ass male. The size difference is insaaaane.
When they invaded Georgia they covered hiking paths and walkways. If I ever accidentally disturbed a web, they'd move the web up 3-6ft and hang a warning leaf from a 3ft long string coming off of their web.
Its like they knew they were invasive and wanted to come in peace.
That's why I only kill the roaches that venture into my house, if I see a roach in the street I leave it alone to thrive that way all future offspring will be selected for street only living.
In our house the rule is spiders can stay if they're out the way (up high, etc). When they get too close for comfort for my wife's tolerance limits, I pick them up and put them outside. Spiders are friends.
Good, we should make them even more reclusive and smarter.
Honestly, an army of highly intelligent bug killers specialized in keeping out of my sight hiding in the interstices of my house sounds like an awesome idea
This is why you shouldn't kill rattlesnakes. If we kill the rattlesnakes that make themselves known, over time they adapt to not rattle before striking.
Any flies that fly into my house are given a chance to leave. If I can herd them out the window, they get to live and make lots of new baby flies.
On the other hand, their chances of getting a close up view of the fly swatter increase exponentially with every minute they spend refusing to leave and ignoring the fact that I'm literally showing them the exit.
I have the same thoughts about hitting squirrels with my car.
Not that I do it on purpose or feel good about It, but I tell myself that at least the survivors will pass on their survivor traits to the next generation.
Deer kill more americans than any other animal. If anything they're becoming more top heavy and more lethal to make drivers hesitate before hitting them. Eventually evolution will make them explode and send a cloud of shrapnel out when struck by a car.
I think we have. In my area many deer during hunting season spend the time within city limits where it's illegal to fire guns. I am pretty sure they've figured it out.
The reclusiveness selection argument makes sense, but why intelligence? Brains are crazy metabolically expensive, and I can't see why a smart reclusive spider would survive humans any better than a merely reclusive one.
either way it's a showerthought about humans being the natural selection for spiders, killing only the ones that come out, effectively selecting them for higher reclusion and intelligence (sorry, on phone so writing the exact text is a hassle)
Ah that one works, thank you. Every time I selected to view the original post or the direct link, it wasn't that one. Maybe I'll try poking around to see if I can find an option that gives me that link.
My house spiders are cool. They eat the flies etc and I fish them out of the way before I have a shower. The only disagreement we have is over their little lair in the kitchen. There's a tiny hole in the skirting board in one corner, and cobwebs gather there. Now and then I brush away the webs and plaster over the hole. A week later the hole is back and the webs too.
I recognised this problem years ago and decided to also let them eat bugs in plain sight. Unfortunately my house isn't big enough to counter evolution on my own, but I feel there is more people out there who also stopped killing spiders because of this.
As long as the spiders don't break our agreement they can stay. They eat the bugs and pests, and they can live in the corners of my house. As soon as they come to the floor they're dead.
I think this every time I kill a mosquito or fruit fly but they don't seem to be getting any faster, smarter, or quieter. Where's Darwin when you need him to answer some questions?
Also we've been doing it for millennia. The evolutionary pressure is already there. These are just the ones with the random mutations that make them slow enough to slap.
It's like asking why gazzel aren't fast enough to outrun a lion.
Whenever I see a spider in the house, I don't kill it. I do however, pick up my cat and say, "look dude, move out along before she figures out how to get to you. She will murder your ass."
I did the same for a while.
But then I recently found out a spider (which was getting pretty big) ignoring bloodless mosquitoes and letting them fill up on me before eating them. I cleaned it up.
Birds also only eat spiders they see. Not sure how that’s any different
well...birds aren't real.....soooo...
Good point…
you've been eating those spiders in your sleep
So that's why I get a funny taste in my mouth after an Ambien night.
Did you know that the average person eats 8 spiders every hour while they sleep?
i'm not sleeping
You're forgetting all the spiders that crawl into the bird's mouth while it's sleeping.
Nah that's just spiders beord throwing off the averages.
We have a few mildly dangerous ones and I have kids.
Our rule is if the spider stays in his world we leave it alone, if it's in ours, they may be out of luck. The doorway is a neutral zone along with usually the entryway and questionably the kitchen.
Same, I had two Joros this year. Their webs are LITERALLY gold, it's so cool. They really just chill. Imagine my disappointment when both disappeared before the New Year and I learned their lifespans. :(
Not native here, either, but supposedly not a real threat to anything. They're everywhere here now. Coolest thing I learned is that their babies can "balloon" and fly for up to hundreds of miles on wind currents. And the little tiny baby spider in the web isn't a baby, it's the little bitch-ass male. The size difference is insaaaane.
The Joros are very courteous as well.
When they invaded Georgia they covered hiking paths and walkways. If I ever accidentally disturbed a web, they'd move the web up 3-6ft and hang a warning leaf from a 3ft long string coming off of their web.
Its like they knew they were invasive and wanted to come in peace.
Yes! I walked face first into one or two massive webs and they all moved up a bit! So cool and courteous!
I don't kill spiders. They are my unpaid exterminators.
They accept payment in flies.
They can have all of them they can catch. I'll even toss any I catch into their webs.
That's why I only kill the roaches that venture into my house, if I see a roach in the street I leave it alone to thrive that way all future offspring will be selected for street only living.
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In our house the rule is spiders can stay if they're out the way (up high, etc). When they get too close for comfort for my wife's tolerance limits, I pick them up and put them outside. Spiders are friends.
That almost rhymed, how about:
In our house the spiders can stay
If they're out of the way.
If they get too close,
Then it's time to vamo(o)se
Spiderbro does an important job eating the more annoying bugs.
Good, we should make them even more reclusive and smarter. Honestly, an army of highly intelligent bug killers specialized in keeping out of my sight hiding in the interstices of my house sounds like an awesome idea
Yeah, I think it would be kinda cool if the next intelligent species on this planet after we kick the bucket is arachnid.
Children Of Time Intensifies
Huh, coincidentally,I just finished reading Children of Time
Envious. The next two books are also great (fourth one coming in a couple months)
This is why you shouldn't kill rattlesnakes. If we kill the rattlesnakes that make themselves known, over time they adapt to not rattle before striking.
So they will be just called snakes.
Any flies that fly into my house are given a chance to leave. If I can herd them out the window, they get to live and make lots of new baby flies.
On the other hand, their chances of getting a close up view of the fly swatter increase exponentially with every minute they spend refusing to leave and ignoring the fact that I'm literally showing them the exit.
I once tried making a similar argument to a game warden about only hunting deer during the day. They were not appreciative of the take.
This was after I hit a deer with my car while driving home from Thanksgiving, it was not a good time.
Why kill spiders? Oh, maybe it's Australia.
I'm asking myself whether the humans in Australia became extra dangerous in order to acclimate 🤔
Leave the big ones alone in Australia. They're harmless. The ones that need killings are tiny and super venomous.
Nah, still doesn't make sense. They kill the mozzies and the blowies for us.
I have the same thoughts about hitting squirrels with my car.
Not that I do it on purpose or feel good about It, but I tell myself that at least the survivors will pass on their survivor traits to the next generation.
You'd think we'd have accidentally bred smarter deer by now
Deer kill more americans than any other animal. If anything they're becoming more top heavy and more lethal to make drivers hesitate before hitting them. Eventually evolution will make them explode and send a cloud of shrapnel out when struck by a car.
3310 Atomic Deer
Evolution will eventually turn all deer into adorable looking mooses with nokia cell phone exoskeletons.
Hehe, that was an unintentional Nokia reference on my side.
I think we have. In my area many deer during hunting season spend the time within city limits where it's illegal to fire guns. I am pretty sure they've figured it out.
this isnt true tho. we kill loads of them without seeing them.
i like the idea tho
I eat seven spiders every hour
wow, you must be jacked
The reclusiveness selection argument makes sense, but why intelligence? Brains are crazy metabolically expensive, and I can't see why a smart reclusive spider would survive humans any better than a merely reclusive one.
Probably thought that you need to be smart to hide well, which is not at all how it works for most animals but IS how it works for humans.
It wouldn't. They just added that in there for the scaries and they probably didn't think it through much.
If I never know that the spider is there then we shall both live a peaceful life.
Am I missing something here? Why is everyone talking about spiders
open it in the original instance
what?
It's the same no matter where I open it.
this works for me https://piefed.cdn.blahaj.zone/posts/Kj/vc/KjvcmUDWH6TS0E5.jpg
either way it's a showerthought about humans being the natural selection for spiders, killing only the ones that come out, effectively selecting them for higher reclusion and intelligence (sorry, on phone so writing the exact text is a hassle)
Ah that one works, thank you. Every time I selected to view the original post or the direct link, it wasn't that one. Maybe I'll try poking around to see if I can find an option that gives me that link.
My house spiders are cool. They eat the flies etc and I fish them out of the way before I have a shower. The only disagreement we have is over their little lair in the kitchen. There's a tiny hole in the skirting board in one corner, and cobwebs gather there. Now and then I brush away the webs and plaster over the hole. A week later the hole is back and the webs too.
I like smarter spiders, but not the cost of getting there.
I catch them in a glass and cover the top with a piece of cardboard then dump them outside. Spiders eat bugs. Go be free little guy!
fine by me. as long as i don't see them, they don't exist.
I recognised this problem years ago and decided to also let them eat bugs in plain sight. Unfortunately my house isn't big enough to counter evolution on my own, but I feel there is more people out there who also stopped killing spiders because of this.
As long as the spiders don't break our agreement they can stay. They eat the bugs and pests, and they can live in the corners of my house. As soon as they come to the floor they're dead.
I think this every time I kill a mosquito or fruit fly but they don't seem to be getting any faster, smarter, or quieter. Where's Darwin when you need him to answer some questions?
There's just so many that the relative few getting killed by swatting aren't having an impact on their genetics.
Also we've been doing it for millennia. The evolutionary pressure is already there. These are just the ones with the random mutations that make them slow enough to slap.
It's like asking why gazzel aren't fast enough to outrun a lion.
And cockroaches, too. They'll haul ass and scurry away every time. They know.
Aren't they already smart?
Whenever I see a spider in the house, I don't kill it. I do however, pick up my cat and say, "look dude, move out along before she figures out how to get to you. She will murder your ass."
The spider, always, leaves.
yeah I accidently killed my pet invisible spider :( his name was bob
I try to not kill them when i clean up excessive webs. Hope they appreciate the clean up and dont resent me for it...
I did the same for a while.
But then I recently found out a spider (which was getting pretty big) ignoring bloodless mosquitoes and letting them fill up on me before eating them. I cleaned it up.
Awww i dont judge my spiders merit to live based on their usefulness to me...
It took me seeing it free a mosquito from its web...
I only kill spiders without opposable thumbs
It depends also on the size. Not the same a cute jumper on the window or..
https://theworldhour.com/jba-fofi-unraveling-the-enigma-of-legendary-congolese-giant-spider-that-defies-science/
Got bit on my left leg last week by a brown recluse I didn't see. Garage is probably full of them
We are also making serial killers smarter.
I always knew I was right to scoop them up and put them outside. My wife just murders them outright.
I kill plenty I don't see, too, whenever I bug bomb my home.