Spyke
linuxmemesbyKuzhinierSileon

I am cooked, chat. (Fuck Nvidia btw)

Edit: "Updating to the legacy 580xx drivers doesn't show me a desktop anymore", just in case someone else can stumble upon this by searching something similar.

Thanks to @[email protected] and @[email protected] I did try fixing it out of curiosity. I had forgotten to install linux-headers. Hopefully someone who actually has the same problem as me, and needs to fix it, can use the tips given in the comments. On my end, I just had to install linux-headers and one reboot later it worked.

Always check if you have all needed packages and don't just "remember" that you had them installed.

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deadcade
lemmy.deadca.de

You need a couple things:

  • The kernel driver (dkms)
  • Userspace component
  • Kernel headers (for dkms)

First get your kernel headers, this is easy enough, but varies based on which kernel you have installed. The format of the package name is {kernel}-headers. If you have the linux kernel, get linux-headers. If you have linux-lts, get linux-lts-headers. If you're not sure on this, the command pacman -Q | grep linux searches for installed packages containing linux in the name. If you have multiple kernels installed, get the headers for all of them.

Then install (from AUR) at least nvidia-580xx-dkms (display out) and nvidia-580xx-utils (Acceleration, like 3D and video decoding). If you have Steam or play Windows games under Wine, be sure to get lib32-nvidia-580xx-utils too.

Also of note is the order in which you install things. Having the kernel headers installed is important for the DKMS modules to install succesfully. If you already have nvidia-580xx-dkms but were missing your kernel headers, you should reinstall it after installing your kernel headers.

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skarnreply
discuss.tchncs.de

I keep hitting my face on the fact that DKMS modules somehow don't depend on the kernel headers and these have to be installed manually. This happened to me both in Arch and in Debian.

Why does everyone seem to think that this makes sense?

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KuzhinierSileonreply
lemmy.world

Thank you very much. I could've sworn I had linux-headers installed. Frankly, I might've had them on a different device for some other reason. This is why you check your packages kids.

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N.E.P.T.Rreply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

While I agree snapper (what CachyOS uses) I very useful, it is important to draw a distinction between snapshots (snapper) and a proper backup tool (borg or restic). Snapshots are usually stored on the same drive, so in the event of a drive failure/corruption you are still very fucked. Proper backup programs also have other important features, like the ability to select remote locations, setup encryption, etc. DO NOT rely on snapper to (always) save your ass.

That being said, I fucking love snapper and it was the main feature I was missing from openSUSE.

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Ooopsreply
feddit.org

While the distinction can be important, the snapshots from right before the update are exactly what you want in this case over some actual but always somewhat outdated real backup

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saltescreply
lemmy.world

Distro hopped recently. Loving it.

Now I get to say "I use Arch, btw" while still having nfi what I'm doing.

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BurgerBaronreply
piefed.social

I like diving into the deep end and drown a few times too.

Have you heard of .pacnew files yet?

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Ooopsreply
feddit.org

It should be illegal to use pacman without pacman-contrib installed for checkupdates (no risk of partial upgrades) and for comparing and merging .pacnew-files with pacdiff...

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wltrreply
discuss.tchncs.de

It was today when I first heard of it!

Using Arch for ~7 years or so! Both servers and desktops. Always just manually vimdiff’ed things.

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Ooopsreply
feddit.org

And I only recently learned that a separate vimdiff command exists (not that it makes a difference over vim -d)...

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Ooops
feddit.org

"Doesn't help" is a bit unspecific for an actual answer.

I simply installed nvidia-580xx-dkms and nvidia-580xx-utils and that was all. If you did not already use the dkms-driver package before you of course also need <your kernel>-headers and dkms (but the latter should be pulled as a dependency for nvidia-580xx-dkms anyway)...

Which automatically asks for the removal of nvidia-open (the standard package for the base linux kernel) or nvidia-open-dkms and nvidia-open-utils that replaced the earlier nvidia, nvidia-dkms, nvidia-utils packages when 590 hit.

PS: If you still have stuff using 32bit add (you might have guessed the scheme by now...) lib32-nvidia-580xx-utils to replace lib32-nvidia-open-utils

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KuzhinierSileonreply
lemmy.world

Honestly I would've much more appreciated it if they told me to RTFM /j (I already had) (I didn't pay the slightest attention)

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KuzhinierSileonreply
lemmy.world

This is the way. I will edit the text of the meme to show the solution at the top. As I had said to another commenter, I could've sworn I had linux-headers installed. This is why you check even if you are sure you have a package. Hopefully someone having this issue will stumble upon it randomly.

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Val
anarchist.nexus

I just went over to NVK. I shouldn't really waste my time playing the graphic intensive games anyway. The indies are better.

I tried dkms but it took so long to install I gave up.

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edinbruhreply
feddit.it

OP has a pascal GPU, the Nouveau kernel drivers for pascal (which you need for nvk) aren't really suitable because they can't change the clock at runtime, you are stuck at boot clock (which you can configure)

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Ada
piefed.blahaj.zone

You have btrfs and snapper, and just roll back to a working version in the grub menu, and install the legacy drivers before it all goes wrong

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Septianreply
lemmy.zip

I have never before felt so much kinship from a single comment.

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slothropreply
lemmy.ca

I started to read your comment, but there's a car 100 metres up the road...

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Lojcsreply
piefed.social

How do you roll back in the grub menu? Is that a feature of grub?

When I update the kernel it replaces both options in systemd-boot so rolling back snapper is a scary endeavor due to kernel - system mismatchs

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Lojcsreply
piefed.social

It seems it requires you don't mount the EFI system partition over /boot so it's included in snapshots, and systemd-boot doesn't support booting from arbitrary partitions

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KiwiTBreply
lemmy.world

Good, as long as you checked the driver situation beforehand right.... Right?

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KuzhinierSileonreply
lemmy.world

I did and I am quite happy with the state of them. Also Linus himself is using a B580 so it can't be that bad (he doesn't game on it)

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enbiousenvyreply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

how is it? I heard it's a good hardware but terrible drivers, at least on windows. I don't know the state of intel GPU drivers on Linux.

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KuzhinierSileonreply
lemmy.world

It's quite an upgrade from my previous setup so I cannot tell you if it is good since my comparison is a 1050ti... But they've also made improvements to the drivers, even on windows as far as I remember.

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chocrates
piefed.world

Oh man, I remember fondly the days of booting to no gui. Typing out error codes to another computer to Google.

I don't think I miss it. Linux has been super stable for me for a decade maybe, and I've been trying to game on it, so I used to have to fight with "faster" drivers all the time

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Lembot_0006
programming.dev

Modern schoolkids don't read, so Arch should consider making 20-minute videos for every update. And a song like some of the *BSD.

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Ooopsreply
feddit.org

nvidia was automatically replaced with nvidia-open (also nvidia-open-lts, nvidia-open-dkms etc).

Simply installing nvidia-580xx-dkms, nvidia-580xx-utils (and lib32-nvidia-580xx-utils because Steam still needs all that 32bit stuff), which automatically removes the 590-open stuff because of conflicts, should be all you need to do.

PS: And of course your kernel's header package if you did not use dkms before... (dkms should be pulled as a dependency automatically)

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gegil
sopuli.xyz

Is nouveau open source driver for nvidia actually good for such old gpus?

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Skullgrid
lemmy.world

Hey Look, it's me! I am on nobara against my fucking will. I spent all saturday screaming.

I'm going to refer the shit out of this thread in my news battle to get my goddamn debian OS back. DNF is scary and I can't use signal.

Here's my notes (WARNING: THESE NOTES LEAD TO FAILURE) :


- get verson info for KDE and NVIDIA drivers
https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//non-free-firmware/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-graphics-drivers_550.163.01-2_changelog
https://packages.debian.org/trixie/nvidia-driver
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia&searchon=names&suite=trixie&section=all
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/17999695/debian-package-dependencies-installing-specific-version-not-the-latest


added changes to /etc/apt/sources.list
https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers?action=show&redirect=NVIDIA#Debian-13_notes

2 - 16
5 - 18
8-17


16 deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ trixie main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
17 deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ trixie-security contrib non-free main non-free-firmware
18 deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ trixie-updates non-free-firmware non-free contrib main

2 deb http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie main (contrib) non-free-firmware
5 deb http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie-updates main non-free-firmware (non-free contrib)
8 deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ trixie-security (contrib) main non-free-firmware


added git to /etc

ran
  git config --global --add safe.directory /etc
because I was geting thsi eror :
  fatal: detected dubious ownership in repository at '/etc'
  To add an exception for this directory, call:

installing drivers
  https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers?action=show&redirect=NVIDIA#Debian-13_notes
    apt install nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-driver


    WARNING: No kernel headers were found, skipping module build.
             To get the headers for the running kernel (6.12.57+deb13-amd64)
             please install the linux-headers-6.12.57+deb13-amd64 package.
   ran
        apt install linux-headers-generic
   to resolve

   I DID ACTUALL RUN THE FOLLOWING
   _____
   Post-installation steps for Trixie

    Optionally verify the result of the DKMS module compilation:

    # dkms status

    If you plan to use wayland (which is a default for both the Gnome and KDE Plasma desktops since Debian 12 "Bookworm") make sure to follow the Wayland Modesetting notes below.

        If gnome starts with X11, you may enable wayland support by enabling NVreg_PreserveVideoMemoryAllocations=1 as mentioned below.

        If you plan to use suspend/hibernate functionality under KDE desktop environment, you may want to add another option to avoid graphics "glitches" after wakeup/restore:
        Warning: skip this step if you have Optimus hybrid graphics

        # echo "options nvidia NVreg_PreserveVideoMemoryAllocations=1" >> /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-options.conf

    In most cases a restart of the system is recommended to fully load the new driver. For wayland, check again if modeset is properly set, as described above.

    _____https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers?action=show&redirect=NVIDIA#Wayland_configuration and this wayland shit too
    _____
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tal
lemmy.today

Boot into a live boot install of some distro on a USB drive.

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KuzhinierSileonreply
lemmy.world

I did try that as well. The legacy drivers did install from the tty, still the system doesn't see them, for lack of a better word. It is not a big issue though. I had already planned on upgrading since my current setup is very old.

Half of the new components have already arrived. The current PC will become a little home server running either Ubuntu or Debian most likely.

I just thought the situation was funny.

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Ooopsreply
feddit.org

That isn't neccessary. nvidia-open automatically replaced nvidia (same for nvidia-open-dkms, nvidia-open-utils etc) when 590 hit and installing any of those nvidia-580xx packages will ask to remove them because they conflict.

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KuzhinierSileonreply
lemmy.world

Yessir. I did remove everything that was from the 590 driver before I installed everything from the legacy 580xx. I might have to load a kernel module somewhere, maybe. But the effort is not worth the payout. My data on the machine itself is not unrecoverable thankfully.

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r00tyreply
kbin.life

I have a 3080, so 590 is fine for me. But, I'm sure the legacy one is a dkms. But the process of installing that should be done as part of the install. E.g. you install, reboot

What does lspci -k show for the card in terms of Kernel driver in use, and kernel modules? Also what does dkms status say?

If the module is installed and showing in dkms status and showing as used in lspci -k, it should be available for desktop environments.

I do agree in terms of effort when things go wrong though. I remember when I was a lot younger and I had no problems just sitting in front of my keyboard finding whatever the latest problem is. Now, I want to be doing things with my PC.

But, a bit of debugging might be worthwhile before doing a new installation.

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talreply
lemmy.today

I have never used Arch. And it may not be worthwhile for OP. But I am pretty confident that I could get that thing working again.

Booting into a rescue live-boot distro on USB, mount the Arch root somewhere, bind-mounting /sys, /proc, and /dev from the host onto the Arch root, and then chrooting to a bash on the Arch root and you're basically in the child Arch environment and should be able to do package management, have DKMS work, etc.

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r00tyreply
kbin.life

But, they shouldn't need rescue. The issue is no nvidia driver, but you can still login from the text terminals. Ctrl + Alt + F3, F4 etc etc. In fact when the window environment fails to load it should drop back to terminal.

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KuzhinierSileonreply
lemmy.world

Yeah, that's what I did. But it didn't drop to terminal because it was stuck on /dev/sda2: clean. At first I thought it hadn't booted at all. Frankly I think that was simply the last thing my monitor got from the GPU before it simply gave up. So i had to switch to TTY manually. That is my best guess.

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Ooopsreply
feddit.org

Arch live ISO gives you arch-chroot which does all the binds automatically

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wltrreply
discuss.tchncs.de

Just for the record, Arch USB ISO has arch-chroot command that does everything needed. So it’s quite easy to troubleshoot, when needed. Just mount what you need and arch-chroot there.

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Jack
slrpnk.net

What is the difference between arch drivers and say pop_os (my current daily)?

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boboreply
lemmy.ml

The difference is how often they're updated.

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jay
mbin.zerojay.com

Did you not see the news item you get before it allows you to start the update?

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KuzhinierSileonreply
lemmy.world

I was working on a little Intel NUC on the side that had memory issues. And during that I just sudo pacman -Syu on my main machine without thinking.

I did also read the announcement before upgrading which makes it even better IMO.

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jayreply
mbin.zerojay.com

Fair enough, I feel your pain. Hope that you had btrfs rollbacks available to you.

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KuzhinierSileonreply
lemmy.world

I use ext4, but the fix was just installing linux-headers. I simply was of the impression that I had already installed those. Most likely I had installed them on one of my laptops and simply just had that vivid memory still in my head. Once I installed them the problem solved itself after a reboot.

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ZILtoid1991
lemmy.world

I'm safe, my ThinkPad doesn't have an iGPU, and there's no instructions on how to solder one onto an L440 motherboard.

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silasmariner
programming.dev

Omg I remember running into something like this about 12 years ago. TTY did help but did need a reboot. I had to arch-chroot off the live usb so many times that night, my first ever Linux installation and I fucked up the bootloader and initial packages so hard so many times. I felt so cool when I was able to switch to another tty without needing yet another usb boot. Thanks for that memory.

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BCsvenreply
lemmy.ca

I don't think its an Arch issue. But on a system that has snapshots or generations or whatever Silverblue term is then the 30s remedy is reboot to an old snapshot

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Zen_Shinobi
lemmy.world

(shrugs) I haven't had an issue with my 1050ti or 4070 on Mint MATE. I did have issues with my AMD Phantom 2. YMMV

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