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Dont listen to their words, only watch their actions. By actions alone, these 2 are MAGA.
Yup, they are republican plants.
Is it perhaps possible they’ve been negatively coerced or threatened? I feel like this might explain a fair amount of behavior of their ilk and we are dealing with the mob after all.
They're fall guys. They're handsomely paid to take the blame and be called republican plants, they ensure the DNC cannot achieve goals counter to their and their donors' interests, but they need to maintain progressive rhetoric to keep the voter base pacified.
If they're replaced, two new fall guys will pop up on future issues. They allow the DNC to operate as a complicit cooperator while claiming to be the opposition.
It’s like Hannity and Colmes.
Colmes died. Now it’s just Hannity.
The DNC has always had rotating villains to foil their promises
How many Nazis were only Nazis because of blackmail?
Didn't realize this was an inappropriate time to try to stop them from kidnapping and murdering people.
Counterpoint: no you fucking won't
Well, you know... It's friday.
That would be Flight of the Pigs O'Clock.
Jeffries has always struck me as someone lukewarm, uncharismatic, and even unintelligent. So many better options for that position, but he was chosen for the obvious virtue signal.
This reeks of post school shooting rhetoric, ‘now is not the time to discuss gun law’ in the immediate aftermath of mass child slaughter.
The appropriate time was years and years ago, or at the very latest January 20, 2017.
Chuck Schumer literally governs based off an imaginary republican family he made up in his head who he runs all of his policy decisions by before voting. He has talked about this openly and repeatedly, for years. He calls them the “Baileys” and they voted for Trump.
He's worthless
Holy fuck that's pathetic.
Schumer and Jefferies need to fuck off, and NY voters need to vote in some replacements.
If Mamdani was a start, and if AOC runs, I could see these two panicking!
AOC is a party sheepdog, she can't be trusted either
Disagree. I don't see any other politicians joining Bernie on a fuck the establishment tour. AOC may be the Bernie of this current moment in history and purity tests are how we got saddled with the current shit stains.
AOC was on Bernie's 'fight the oligarchy by supporting my good friends the oligarchy' tour.
If refusing to back a genocide is a purity test you might want to reevaluate your priorities. If that's not a persons red line you are not a good person
I'd love to see AOC run for senate and take Schumer's spot.
Oh fuck them.
Genuinely worse than anyone on the right, IMO, who at least tell you to your face what they believe
Personally, I wouldn't care much what exact shade of brown the shit is when somebody is trying to make me eat it.
Lol, no they don't. While talking about the dangers of covid vaccines, all of fox news and the maga politicians were getting vaccinated. Trump had experiment treatments for it.
New York 8 you know what to do -- primary Jeffries. Start looking for your candidate now.
There's got to be a viable progressive candidate
Primary these worthless fucks
No need to wait. The elected Democrats can vote them out of their leadership positions now.
Someone needs to run against him in order to be primaried.
Yes. And I'm calling for that to happen.
Good idea. Should we vote for another Dem who will do the same shit? Or for a hard R who will do even worse?
How about a Progressive that will actually listen to us?
There was a big progressive victory in NV for the 2020 elections. The progressive Bernie supporter wing successfully took over the party from the establishment dems.
So the dems formed another party and stole half a million from the old party’s coffers on the way out, leaving the new progressive leaders with no means to pay any of the debts the dems had run up. They took the donor lists with them and started getting all their big donors to move their donations over to the new party they controlled.
Which is all to say that even when progressives win the democrats will try to destroy you.
Huh?
Sorry it’s been a while and I was going from memory. It was more an opposing faction that simultaneously resigned than a separate party and I think they may have just told former donors to give directly to individual campaigns rather than the party.
Either way they’ve wrested control back already. If you would like to read more, here’s a couple articles about it
https://www.nevadaappeal.com/news/2021/mar/11/other-six-basin-states-know-colorado-river-droppin/ https://www.socialistalternative.org/2023/06/29/pulling-out-the-rug-what-happened-after-dsa-and-bernie-supporters-took-over-the-nevada-democratic-party/
Oh that--yeah that was dirty politics! But that's not what I'm talking about. That was about the internal leadership positions of the state's Dem party apparatus. What I'm talking about is voters voting in elections that send the winners to elected office as state or federal senators and representatives, governors, mayors, school board members, etc.
So, like what we saw with Mamdani. He ran for office, meeting the legal requirements to do so. The Dem Party couldn't stop him from running for Mayor. But they did whatever they could to make him lose the primary election, mainly by spending tons of money campaigning against him and for Cuomo. But Mamdani won it handily anyway. Even then, the Dem party didn't even try to help him win the General. They couldn't stop him.
This could be repeated in other places, other elected offices. Especially the House. And winning seats at the State level is just as important.
I’m not sure how you expected me to glean any of that from “Huh?”.
In any case Mamdani has been in office less than a month and while he’s done some good I think you should wait a bit before you go calling him some kind of herald of democrat reform. They will likely continue to sabotage him while he’s in office because any successful socialist is a threat to their power and donors. It’s not like New York hasn’t had progressive mayors before.
We tried that in 2016 when we elected Bernie Sanders as our Dem candidate. The DNC told us to go fuck ourselves and nominated Hillary Clinton anyway. So, no, apparently that won't work either.
Times have changed. They can fight all they want. Like they did against Mamdani, and they lost.
Not the same animal though, the DNC manipulated delegate counts at the convention to ensure Hillary won, a tactic they will repeat if a viable threat rises during the general election
Edit sp
But they could only do that for the office of president+VP, a national office. They don't have conventions for choosing candidates for any of the other offices--those are decided in the primary, period.
Also because of the backlash from thatm after similar issues in previous years, there was some reform to reduce the power of the superdelegates:
See https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7786873/ for more details.
Instead of eliminating super delegates they simply changed their structure. It's still corrupt
You, voters have demonstrated that they are now ready to run rough-shod over the establishment.
You apparently don't understand what it means to primary a candidate (from the left, in this case). I'll explain it for you. The way to get more progressive people in Congress is to primary the existing congresspeople with a more progressive candidate.
Whoever wins the Dem primary in this district will win in the general. It does no good to wait until the general to just vote against the republican and get Jeffries again. You have to find and support a good progressive candidate who is to the left of Jeffries and beat him in the primary. If that doesn't happen, no one is going to even bother running against Jeffries because they know they won't beat him in the primary. People have to support support support an opponent.
This is how magats took over Congress. They primaried the hell out of the "traditional" repubs, from the right. They won some of those primaries and lost some. Then sometimes they still lost in the general if their candidate was too far to the right for their district. But they didn't care because they still won in a lot of others. They kept doing this every election, and the more power the right got in Congress, the more trad repubs just dropped out and didn't even try to win re-election. Once it gets going it snowballs.
There's no reason the left can't do the exact same thing to the Dems as the right did to the repubs. Well, unless it's already too late now that maga controls the government, that is.
Regardless how progressive they might be if they become a perceived threat to the power structure their ability to change it is neutered by the structure itself and the DNC will primary them at the next election.
We can't reform a system that's operating as designed
OMG you mean the power structure will run another primary candate in the next election to try and oust incumbents they don't like? Whatever shall we do, when the outcome of that primary will be determined by who gets the most votes? I can't think of anything! I guess we should just stay home and take whoever the elites decide they want.
/s <-- because specifying this is always required
Yes. Because they don’t have the same networks, relationships etc.
They will not go against the wishes of their donors. They do not represent their voters.
With Democrats like these it doesn't take a genius to wonder why 1/3rd of the US didn't show up to vote.
We’ve never had a government that put the needs of the people ahead of the wants of the rich. The closest we had was FDR, and even he only pushed the New Deal to stop us from demanding an even better deal.
Are you under the impression 1/3 of Americans made academic decisions to protest poor candidates by not voting?
1/3 of Americans didn't vote because they're uneducated, lazy slobs. Stop fooling yourself.
Why are you complicating things? Whos taking about academia? If people don't see candidates that inspire them they stay home. This is pretty basic. The uneducated lazy slobs came out in droves for Trump whos vote share kept increasing, so why is it the uneducated slobs that dont like Trump didnt? Don't fool yourself thinking all the slobs stayed home but also managed to vote for Trump. One group was inspired by the hate, and one group was uninspired by the lack of resistance.
So you truly believe that 1/3 of American voters didn't vote in protest?
There's that arrogant liberal hubris that rears its head around election time.
There's that poorly executed strawman that's all you have! Hooray!
The Democrats are why we have fascism ascendant in this country by refusing to be an opposition party.
It's so much worse than it needs to be for no reason. They don't have the numbers to do anything, but they could at least fucking PRETEND to care that they can't.
"Well, you guys are trying your best, but there's nothing you can do without the numbers."
"No, no... let's be clear... Even if we had the numbers, we are INTENTIONALLY not doing anything."
Unseat these cowards
The midterms won’t save us. Pitchforks will.
Useless fucking losers
I just don’t see how anyone can hear this and see them as effective leadership. Minority party or not. Like it makes me, a dedicated left wing person, not want to support democrats because they seem to have lost the plot
They haven’t lost the plot, they like the plot. They don’t agree with you, they don’t like you, they don’t want to help you.
Completely agree. There are no US politicians who are willing to offer social progress or even support middle-class workers. If you're not a campaign donor, you can't get shit in this country.
Not that it matters who votes for who. After the 2024 election, it's obvious the winner isn't decided by votes anyway.
It doesn’t help that most of them are so old and rich they’re completely detached from the realities of the people they’re SUPPOSED to represent and serve.
Many of them either have never been anything other than at least upper class, or their time spent below upper class is decades away and very very irrelevant compared to those of us who are not, especially during this time.
They do NOT represent us. How the hell can anyone expect them to serve us?
Who needs the diet version of fascists?
Those that refuse to admit that is what they are
Their donors
WE. WILL. NEVER. GO. BACK.
I'm beginning to think they both spent a lot of time raping trafficked children on Trump and Epstein's Pedophile Island and need the distraction.
Traitors! Bought and paid for by Citizens United.
PRIMARY ALL OF THE FUCKING DEMOCRATS!!!
Unless they are actively opposing this regime, they are complicit. Full stop. Some worse than others, but just replacing Schumer won't do shit if the rest of the Democrats in Congress are the same milk toast centrist corporate assholes.
"Democrats agree with fascism and wont oppose it."
Tell us something we don't know.
I am so disappointed in Jeffries. When Pelosi stepped back, I thought we might get some change but that was dumb of me to think a Democrat would have a spine. They are so floppy.
He has a spine. He faces criticism and outrage from people like you every day. He likes what is happening. Wealthy Democratic Party donors like what is happening. They want a paramilitary police state.
The police state has been around longer then we've all been alive
Yes of course but they are creating the pretext to suppress and disperse all kinds of organized action. Protests, strikes, etc. Once people are normalized to “ICE agents” shooting people in the streets, going door-to-door raiding people’s houses searching for “illegal immigrants”, then it’s only one step further to do the same for “domestic terrorists” who end up being legal observers, journalists, labor organizers, political activists, etc.
In the 1960’s and 70’s they did these things too with the FBI and whatnot, targeting people with worldwide recognition like Malcolm X, MLK, Fred Hampton, etc. but it was clumsy and blunt as a tool, not feasible for larger scale, plus economic conditions were comparatively better, so they didn’t fear anything quite resembling a complete destabilization or revolution. Now they do, and they figure they have the tools and the capacity to do an authoritarian militarily occupied police state at scale.
Lost hope in it as soon as she announced a successor instead of letting anyone else try.
Especially as he's as strong and effective as a wet paper bag
I called him for being a black Pelosi when they installed him
Add em to the list
I swear man, people don't hate neoliberals enough. Complete traitors to our country, and for what? Hard times require strong, courageous people to take charge and lead. The average American that voted for Harris in 2024 has more love for this country and bigger balls than these people ever will. Absolute cowards.
I try not to hate anyone but Jesus they make it hard.
Controlled opposition operating accordingly
At this point they are openly collaborating. Opposition, my ass.
That’s what controlled opposition means. It’s a front to act as a stress relief valve for people who oppose the regime.
Spineless cowards
Yet people get mad when you say both parties are working together.
Not so much working together but definitely share the same masters.
But that's "bOtH sIdEs" thinking!!! Don't you know even just saying that means you hate humanity?!?!?!
The useless duo
The worst tacticians in the history of decision making.
"Awww geezer, public office is so hard. Not that you or your people will ever know that since you're not a part of our big club."
Many of their rich donors rely on the exploitation of undocumented workers to make crap ton of money. So of course they don't want to actually clamp down on ICE or provide better pathways to citizenship...
Undocumented workers are cheap labor and are usually obedient out of fear. There have been plenty of reported cases of farmers and/or companies calling ICE on their workers to weasel out of paying them (wage theft). Even documented workers aren't safe, given that their green cards and/or work visas are tied to their job. So if they report poor working conditions or wage theft to authorities, they'll likely be forced to leave the U.S.
The DNC and their donors are all on board
If we cant hold republicans accountable, we sure as shit better hold these blue conservatives accountable.
They are going to be primaried, right
RIGHT?
Dear Leader has something on both of them.
Or just Schumer thinks the issue is the person leading ICE and DHS, not that they have too much impunity.
when u got raffi radicalised enough to call for regime change yet the leader of the dems can't say anything....
I mean of course they didn't because they're worthless democrats.
Almost like there's one party…
Stop voting for these incumbent "establishment Democrats." These boring corporatists who only care about their phony baloney jobs. They have never cared about ordinary people. Vote for Democrats who want real change.
Better yet abandon the party all together, their loyalty will always be to wall street
They always call for cuts like this when they are not in power then boost funding when they get back in.
NO MORE NEW YORKERS IN DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP.
Or just replace them with real progressives like AOC and Mamdani.
President AOC, VP Bernie, Speaker Mamdani. We can dream