And yet on my phone I wish websites would stop hawking the native app and just let me use the site. In a way I suppose this is the same complaint since the native apps are often a web wrapper with telemetry.
Same. Literally had two very similar options for a flight last week and it was between Delta and American. Delta made it almost impossible to book last time if I didnt download their app. So the choice was simple, American got my money.
I would prefer webapps to native if there was a protocol to fully load the page and disable network traffic for apps that work fully offline. It is more secure to run an app in the browser because off the layers of isolation in modern browsers. Native apps can access all sorts of information and system resources, which could be used to compromise the host OS.
Fuckit, if anything more fancy than HTML + CGI is needed, there's always VRML.
....holy shit, it just dawned on me.. VRML + CGI? Today's PCs should have no issue rendering it, and server-side should be the same as any other CGI page. I gotta do some experimenting with this.
UPDATE: I actually did some research into this, and the possibilities are actually quite extensive. In theory it should be possible to make an extremely basic multiplayer FPS game.
No, seriously. Web sucks for GUI. Every basic UI framework does a better job at accessibility, not to talk about performance or weird bugs because it expects Chrome (cross-platform, huh?) to simulate a GUI on a Document Object Model, graceful degradation be damned. And buttons, forms, is something you don't need JS for. You do a poor job if you do.
itch.io is a sin against the web. Those idiotic people... enjoying non document based web applications... they are destroying the internet!
The godot foundation is a destructive force and must be ended before all of the web as we know it has capitulated to.... javascript and non DOM APIs!!!!!!!!!
I tried to get on board with this one, but "cross platform apps" made me throw up in my mouth a little. The unholy things we did back then are best left forgotten in their shallow binary graves.
And yet on my phone I wish websites would stop hawking the native app and just let me use the site. In a way I suppose this is the same complaint since the native apps are often a web wrapper with telemetry.
no but actually I can't stand wasting my storage on telemetry bloated bullshit. Let me use the website or I'm noy buying your garbage
Same. Literally had two very similar options for a flight last week and it was between Delta and American. Delta made it almost impossible to book last time if I didnt download their app. So the choice was simple, American got my money.
I used to put the forms inside of invisible tables, as was the style at the time.
And it was glorious.
Normally these are meant to be ironic but I kind of vibe with this one.
I would prefer webapps to native if there was a protocol to fully load the page and disable network traffic for apps that work fully offline. It is more secure to run an app in the browser because off the layers of isolation in modern browsers. Native apps can access all sorts of information and system resources, which could be used to compromise the host OS.
This actually kinda exists, but appears to be implemented in Chrome on Windows only (sigh), and I'm not sure anyone uses it:
https://github.com/WICG/isolated-web-apps/
Like Flash?
Fuckit, if anything more fancy than HTML + CGI is needed, there's always VRML.
....holy shit, it just dawned on me.. VRML + CGI? Today's PCs should have no issue rendering it, and server-side should be the same as any other CGI page. I gotta do some experimenting with this.
UPDATE: I actually did some research into this, and the possibilities are actually quite extensive. In theory it should be possible to make an extremely basic multiplayer FPS game.
OMFG do not bring 3D fps websites upon us
That's partly what techbros wanted with the "Metaverse" silliness. Glad that's over.
Looks inside: chromium without the url bar
No, seriously. Web sucks for GUI. Every basic UI framework does a better job at accessibility, not to talk about performance or weird bugs because it expects Chrome (cross-platform, huh?) to simulate a GUI on a Document Object Model, graceful degradation be damned. And buttons, forms, is something you don't need JS for. You do a poor job if you do.
For a bit more complex form validation (ofc only for user convenience and not security), you need js.
Convenience feature, basic functionality should work without this. Graceful degradation.
Yeah but you can hack some shit together in jQuery real easy like
So you could in Delphi’s VCL and that compiled to every platform too. And that in the early 90s.
the web is the display server/compositor of the internet
if you want it to go away, everyone who is working on it and making it work right now disagrees with you
everything you said goes away with canvas and video games.
"durrrr video gaimes no belongy on interwebzzzz bcuz the DOM is for word documents onlyyyyyyyyy steve ballmer said sooooo" – an idiotic luddite
wasm runtimes are the next app platform or will inspire it
I'm sure most people wouldn't like losing their jobs.
Yeah if wars were somehow abolished for good, a LOT of people working in arms manufacturing would be pissed.
itch.io is a sin against the web. Those idiotic people... enjoying non document based web applications... they are destroying the internet!
The godot foundation is a destructive force and must be ended before all of the web as we know it has capitulated to.... javascript and non DOM APIs!!!!!!!!!
My favorite part is how this meme itself consists entirely of plain text plus a little styling.
You want graphical interfaces? We already have a solution for it and it's called ncurses!
These modern app devs can pry my ncurses TUIs from my cold dead fingers
To be fair web is still more cross-platform UI than anything else while Apple and Google try to distance their compatibility even further.
Is flutter still a thing?
It is, but afaik it will need a major rework due to iOS new design system
Well I totally agree with it :) (even if it should be ironic)
Http ruined the gophernet.
Not completely a joke
I tried to get on board with this one, but "cross platform apps" made me throw up in my mouth a little. The unholy things we did back then are best left forgotten in their shallow binary graves.
Honestly images were a step too far. And bring back the blink tag.
Marquees too please.
That was en IE tag. I still used it all the time.
I would prefer webapps to native if there was a protocol to fully load the page and disable network traffic for apps that work fully offline.
Vanishingly few apps work fully offline and they tend to be the ones that don't send a buttload of requests in the first place.
In my experience.
I don't get it, sorry.
Yeah! Make things easier for AI to scrape please!