Banned for 'homophobia' after complaining about mods misogynistic post title
1. Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?
https://quokk.au/u/Deceptichum
2. What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?
74 year community ban for 'homophobia'
3. Provide a screenshot of the relevant modlog entry (don’t de-obfuscate mod names).
4. Provide a screenshot and explanation of the cause of the sanction (e.g. the post/comment that was removed, or got you banned).
here's the exchange that resulted in the ban:
5. Explain why you think its unfair and how you would like the situation to be remedied.
I'm gay, trans, and an anarchist. I thought the post title was misogynistic, objectifying, and not a good example something that should be in a 'queer friendly' space.
Not everyone is okay with sexual degradation humor, misogynistic comments, etc, even if it's about people you disagree with. Pointing that out in this case got me called a homophobic tankie and banned within minutes of making the post.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/22523874Open linkView original on lemmy.ml
Ok y'all need to stop with the rage bait comments or I'm locking the thread. Discuss the mod actions only please
PTB.
Entirely unsurprising for that mod in particular, they've equated communists to Nazis and said "tankie fucks deserve to get their heads bashed in." Extremely aggressive 100% of the time whenever they encounter a Marxist, or even like in the OP an anarchist that happens to disagree with them.
I would argue it’s because you’re on lemmy.ml, and people who are obsessed with stuff like this think it really means something instead of being one of the more popular instances.
I'm a Marxist-Leninist, I say that openly. The target of the OP calls us "authies" and "tankies," and seems to have an on-site hostility mindset when it comes to Marxists.
Stop flatting him.
I think your comment is pearl clutching and not homophobic (both you and the mod), but I also don’t think it warranted removal.
fwiw I wasn't saying the mod was homophobic based on that comment.
I just thought that it was unnecessarily sexually degrading and misogynistic, thus not a good fit in a 'queer friendly' space
I don’t see how it’s misogynistic. Definitely sexually crude, but there’s nothing gendered about the insult, as compared to words like cunt or dickhead. Both men and women can use cumrags (or be used as one).
Wondering if this was a spin on the word comrade being close to cumrag as well.
my reading is that misogyny isn’t just about whether the target is female, and obviously on a surface read anyone can be a cumrag, or use one.
the use as an insult still relies on demeaning traits that our culture associates with women or femininity. gay men can still have internalized misogyny
Even though "cumrag" can apply across all genders, the primary meaning has been "a thing used to wipe up semen," and "a person treated like a used-up sexual object."
the people getting framed as:
passive
used
disposable
interchangeable
something sex "happens" to
are women, femmes, and bottoms coded as feminine.
I can feel empowered by describing myself as a slut, cumrag, whatever, and use the term affectionately for others. however using those as insults on anyone I disagree with is still reproducing misogyny
Thanks for sharing your perspective. I don’t necessarily agree but I appreciate it nonetheless
I guess I've led a sheltered life, because the first definition is the only one I thought of initially. But since you've pointed it out I get the issue with it now. I was equating it in my head with something more like "asswipe" initially. But even without the misogyny aspect, the ban was still PTB.
In a similar vein, describing one person submitting or otherwise going along with what another wills as "dickriding" or other similar sexual act is also baked in misogyny and homophobia. The cultural shame levied against gay men, women in general, etc. is why it's supposed to hurt to be called a dickrider for someone, rather than just a sycophant. Both are pejoratives, one relies on that cultural shame.
This is some go go gadget arms level of reaching.
This is some ostrich-head-in-the-sand lack of awareness.
Yeah, in the sense that it's a made up myth.
Misogyny is a made up myth, you’re right! Here let me highlight the important part for you, dummy.
This is true. The effects are more than just on women.
I feel true pity for you. Please go away. Downvote first though!
What is misogynistic about the term cumrag and what do queer people have to do with that?
Still, the ban is a bit much.
PTB / BPR.
I personally don't see the misogyny either. But maybe that's just because I need it explained to me? At this point it seems like PTB, because the mod went from zero to permaban with no discussion over the point Diva was making.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cumrag+
I feel like the mod was looking for an excuse here. I am not sure this is misogynistic per se, but definitely using a slur for "bottoms" (of any gender) to malign your ideological enemies is problematic and probably reinforcing patriarchy and toxic masculinity.
On the other hand people in here going all "of course I'm not surprised they're sexist, since they're anti-ML" is some weak kick-them-during-the-pile-on shit given how there's hordes of patriarchy-lovingly homophobic Marxists (in fact I'd argue that's most of them, comparatively)
sadly I am familiar with the trope, mostly from other spaces than here though. plenty of 'old guard' Marxist parties irl do suck in that exact way for example.
that is why I don't have much tolerance for 'patriots' of any affiliation and call shit out when I see it.
I mean, the guy is very vocal about virulently hating “tankies” and has horseshoe theory brain worms, which means that you’re a (“red”) fascist, which gives him license to boot you for just existing.
Not really, no
Yes really, yes
Nope. I know you really want it to be true for rhetorical reasons, but if you actually go and look it just isn't
Lol, I love a good pearl clutch-off. ESH, but more PTB due to the ban.
That's a sick burn tho
@[email protected] is usually on the level, so I'm curious why they triggered a 74 year ban
Oh I’m sure someone who immediately resorts to “you disgusting piece of shit” is usually on the level.
Like, what the fuck? That’s an insane overreaction to someone pointing out that “cumrag” isn’t super friendly.
“Homophobia,” ok. Ban me from the silly meme community too, then.
I see many posts and comments by them, that aren't just rage, so I'm inclined to not make a rash judgement.
And yet I blocked them months ago because of all of the insane rage spam. They might post other things but I can’t with the rage.
I clicked on the account and was like “oh hey that checks out.” So I looked from another account.
Literally the post we’re talking about has “cumrags” in the title.
Sorry, no thanks. When someone tells you who they are, believe them the first time.
🤷 you're entitled to your opinions, I'm entitled to my "this isn't what I'm used to from that guy"
I've never once had an interaction with them that wasn't them immediately attacking me or other users. I've never actually seen them act chill before.
I think that says more about you than them.
See, you're doing it again, attacking communists on-sight and equating us to Nazis. I've tried to have conversations with you before, you just mock, bleat, whine, and then say you want to kill communists. Why would I try to genuinely answer your loaded questions yet again when I've already explained these to you before, and have been met with the same kind of mocking?
I wish anarchist instances would either declare a specific school of theory and vet their applicants, or else just accept that they’re normie instances.
To be fair, Marxist groups do this too. It's just something that happens on the left, we aren't immune to it.
You hate every communist that supports communists and socialists in the real world, calling us all manner of names from "red fash" to "authie" to "tankie" to "Nazi." The only communists that pass your arbitrary vibe check are the ones that are either short lived or never even got off the ground in the first place, in other words, "pure" communists untainted by the slander coming from Cold Warriors like yourself and devoid of meaningful struggle. You don't want to acknowledge that you're an anti-communist, so you try to pretend the group you call "red fash" isn't the same group that has been fighting for the liberation of all oppressed peoples since Marx himself.
I've given my take on the Russo-Ukrainian war before. Here it is again:
I've also explained my take on China and it's treatment of Uyghurs in Xinjiang:
Here are my answers to your rabid anti-communist Cold Warrior nonsense. Every time I respond to you, though, you're incapable of actually answering, and instead either leave the thread or get banned for telling me or others that you want to kill them. I don't expect this will be any different.
Yup, called it:
ah ok. the "choose a random number" method of infinity. I guess it would be more difficult to set up different types of ban, instead of just allowing the default for "permaban" to be "fuck it, if the MF ain't dead by this time, they deserve to be back on this site"
Looks like quite a few people here are having a problem seeing the homophobia in that comment. I could definitely use an explanation.
"Cumrag" isn't a great term. I've heard it from strangers when walking down the street in immodest clothing, from guys I don't want to date, and online when dudes I disagree with find out I'm a chick. I definitely associate it with misogyny, so I see Diva trying to gently inform that people might find it offensive.
I'm an anarchist, my post was pointing out the misogyny I saw in your post title, literally using a quote block with a paraphrased version of your own post title to make it more obvious.
You are a tankie (that's what liberals call good leftist)
This was shared in 0 matrix rooms as far as I know.
If you're going to call me a tankie just because you don't like the servers I post in, maybe I should be calling you a nazi for posting in the
commnazi bar loaded with cryptofash posters eager to be free of 'degenerates', calling myself and others degenerate roaches that they're eager to be rid of.Calling out a gay person posting a misogynistic thread title is not homophobia
as I said in another post here, I didn't say you were being homophobic, that was your accusation.
I did not conflate being queer with an insult.
I was pointing out that your post title was misogynistic. Gay people can still be putting their internalized misogyny into the world, and I would hope a queer space would discourage that, rather than have it actively defended by moderation.
Ironically it is you who is using claims of homophobia to silence another gay person criticizing your behavior.
I wasn't though. I was pointing out that using cumrag as an insult broadly was not in line with being a 'queer friendly' instance, as it is overtly misogynistic.
You seemed intent on misreading it so you could slap 'homophobic' on another gay person calling your shitty behavior out.
Which is it then?
If that’s a real thing, nobody’s invited me to it 😞