Ukraine Says It Won’t Give Up Land to Russia
Volodymyr Zelensky, in the next phase of talks to end the war in Ukraine, intends to draw a red line at the most contentious issue on the table: the Russian demand for Ukraine’s sovereign territory. As long as he remains the nation’s president, Zelensky will not agree to give up land in exchange for peace, Ukraine’s chief negotiator, Andriy Yermak, told me today in an exclusive interview.
“Not a single sane person today would sign a document to give up territory,” said Yermak, who has served as Zelensky’s chief of staff, lead negotiator, and closest aide throughout the full-scale war with Russia.
“As long as Zelensky is president, no one should count on us giving up territory. He will not sign away territory,” he told me by telephone from Kyiv. “The constitution prohibits this. Nobody can do that unless they want to go against the Ukrainian constitution and the Ukrainian people.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/national-security/2025/11/ukraine-zelensky-russia-trump-peace-land-red-line/685090/Open linkView original on lemmy.world
And nor should they, never give in to bullies.
Russia's showing signs of desperation anyhow which is why they're trying to push through an agreement. They can't debase the currency much further, they don't have the reserves or the GDP. Ukraine is in more the position strength here as they've spend their time building alliances which has been aided by Russian actions strengthening the resolve of Europeans.
US here, and I wish we were one of those allies. You know, as we promised.
Yeah, would have been nice if the word (signature in fact!) of us government had meant anything (we knew russia never lives up to it)
Unfortunately, this is just a stark lesson for any other country out there. Do not give up your nuclear weapons no matter what “guarantees” you get.
Isnt the lesson "develop nukes now"?
The US pressured Ukraine to accept assurances and not guarantees. It matters which kind of guarantees are given.
We knew Russia wouldn't. I'm just sad that we aren't holding up our end of the bargain. I suspect we'd have support from other nations.
Sounds like the EU needs a nuclear weapon program. At least one warhead in every EU nation, and at least 10 in every bordering Russia.
And also an autonomous weapon program. Like Project Manhatthan, but for Skynet.
Ah yes, but with Trump bending over backwards to accommodate Putin the Russians needn't worry.
plus putin is also shoring up far-right european govt in the EU too.
so many of thier fuel stations are hit, its going to start affecting his 2 base of influence, moscow and st.pete, the last thing he wants is those people in the cities complaining,.
If they really felt desperate, wouldn't they show just a bit more flexibility in their demands?
If Putin shows weakness, Russian's might start thinking he'll give in to their demands.
The will if they need to. Putin is much better at playing the game than the US under the orange moron.
Thanks for the archived link. 👍
Don't give up a single meter of land
Require reparations from Russia
Demand all children back
Demand a formal apology for the pain and suffering caused
Demand Putin in jail through the ICC
By doing what?
A little tired of hearing this endless "well, if I were Ukraine, I would simply win the war and claim a trillion dollars in reparations and make Russia disappear off the map" Internet wish casting.
What do you do to extract any of these concessions that hasn't already been tried? And how many more people are you willing to throw into the meat grinder trying?
It’s not our decision to make how many people Ukraine is willing to sacrifice for their land. That’s THEIR decision.
The better question here is how many people is Russia willing to sacrifice for a war of conquest that shouldn’t have happened in the first place.
It's our decision whether we give them billions of dollars of weapons.
Absolutely it is. We choose whether we live in a world where we defend freedom or where we appease bullies.
I guess for some people it's an easier choice than for others.
Is that why Ukraine is over $100 billion in debt to its Western "allies"?
Putting people into debt slavery is a weird way to defend freedom...
Debt is a normal part of war, and Ukraine's war debt is about a quarter of their peacetime GDP. Most of that has already been covered by the EU aid package last year.
Characterizing that as debt slavery is a pretty huge stretch.
At this scale those debts are a chain around their necks that can be used to control them.
As for the aid package, it merely covers half of the debt. On top of that? It's conditional! Ukraine has to meet certain requirements to receive that aid: energy, border management, agricultural demining, and the development of a list of "strategic and essential" raw materials. Aside from demining that doesn't sound like defending freedom, that sounds like they are trapping a client state into dependency so they can be exploited for primary production.
This has never been about freedom, I don't know how anyone could ever believe it was.
We don't give them shit, we sell it to them on loan with interest. It's all old hardware that we don't use anymore. It's a win win, our military budget goes down, they kill Russians. how do you not understand that 4 years into the war?
So, we're trapping them in debt slavery so that we can steal their natural resources. They die, we profit. Win/Win
Also, it's not like those profits go to us. They go to the manufacturers and their investors, with only some coming back in the form of wages. It's mostly a way to take public dollars and then hand it out to political donors. Win/Win/Win
It clearly is, or you wouldn't be telling them the terms for peace.
They're not the ones negotiating loss of territory. You gotta quit this "Well I'm rubber and your glue" line of reasoning.
Being a Tankie is when you don't want to fight a war? But being a conservative is when you do want to fight a war? And they're both on the same side?
I feel bad for anyone trapped in a warzone and treated like fodder for the war machines.
But I've got no pity for the cheerleaders on the sidelines eager to trade human bodies for rhetorical points.
That's not some kind of virtue. Make the other fucker die for theirs, etc.
But once you're dead, it's not your land anymore. Telling tens of thousands of additional Ukrainians to die so the state can auction off a dead guy's property to Jared Kushner's holding company is fucked.
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Capitulating to an aggressor isn't going to save lives.
Nobody in this thread seems interested in saving lives. It is entirely an argument over territorial control
Giving a country with a track record of violating treaties as long as Russia's anything that lets them feel like they gained from the war in return for a treaty saying they'll stop the war is going to cost more Ukrainian lives than continuing to fight, even to the last man. All a peace treaty like that achieves is vindicating Russia's decision to violate the last treaty. It doesn't stop the war, just pauses it while Russia rearms, so it can be even bloodier when it resumes than it would have been if it hadn't paused. If Ukraine can't make Russia lose, more Ukrainians (and more citizens of Russia's other neighbours who are at risk of being next in line) survive if they make Russia's victory pyrrhic so they learn that it isn't profitable to invade their neighbours again.
Not One Inch: America, Russia, and the Making of Post–Cold War Stalemate
A good book and worth a read, if you're genuinely curious at the history leading to the current crisis.
But it's a hard read for anyone who believes history started in 2014
What? I'm here telling you that if you want to save lives, don't capitulate to the country killing everyone.
As any child knows, if you let a bully take your lunch money they're just going to come back tomorrow.
That hasn't proven out over the last 3 years. The death toll in Ukraine has significantly outrun every other Russian conflict since WW2.
When you think like a child, you get the results to match
It's Zelensky that says it, rumor has it Ukraine won't give up land in exchange for peace
“How many people are you willing to throw into the meat grinder”
Yes us lemmy posters are all high ranking Ukrainian officials. Our moral inputs into this site dictate outcomes on the battle field and our opinions hold us accomplice to the slaughter. Putin is not responsible at all; it’s the people posting on the internet!
101st chairborne, to be sure. Tons of folks seem to think this war is a team sport that you just cheer at from the sidelines.
Kinda seems like Ukraine are winning the war of attrition to me.
It's not simply a bad political decision to give up territory it's illogical as well.
The fact that Russia is even engaging in a war with Ukraine indicates that they are duplicitous since they agreed not to attack Ukraine in order to get Ukraine to give up its nuclear weapons.
Any deal with Russia will be violated as soon as it suits Russia to violate it. Giving up a territory for peace simply gives Russia the opportunity to rebuild their forces, as soon as those forces are rebuilt they will violate the peace treaty. Again.
Russia argues that there was a regime change in 2014 which released them from that agreement.
Russia says a lot of things
Shocking new informartion shows that russia had their fingers crossed behind their backs at the time the deal was made.
Their argument is that they didn't break the agreement.
That's not how agreements work. If it was, they would be pointless.
Minsk II, they are pointless. People even question US and French Nato commitment.
But hypothetically speaking, why should Russia be bound to the agreement if the West actually did a regime change?
What about the majority of Ukranians that voted for the gov that got overthrown in 2014? Their voices and opinions don't count?
Opinions change, afterall those same people voted at least partly for Zelenskyi
Yeah, in 2014 Ukrainians just got rid of pro-Russian government in Ukraine what, of course, violated the agreement of peace since Russia cannot claim Ukraine peacefully anymore. This is actually "totally" logical.
You dropped a /s
Just for you to know: not every person knows/uses slang/abbreviations, so that if you want other people to understand you, use standard English, please.
Either use /s or make your sarcasm clearer.
Ahh, okay. Thanks. Will know from now the meaning of /s.
Just with these kind of topics you have to be careful. Your edit makes things even clearer.
We call the Russian influence on the West hybrid war, wouldn't the Western influence in Ukraine be the same?
Same, same, but different. I agree that both these cases can be classified as influence, but, at least as I know, the influence of the West has no intention to occupy Ukraine or turn it into puppet state. The West mostly needs resources, democratic alignment and overall stability, while it has no interest in wiping out the national identity of Ukrainians and abuse them, unlike Russia. So, between 2 evils it would be better to choose the lesser one.
Britain got out of the EU for this reason.
What about the posts about Amazon working conditions and US healthcare? At least Germany is approaching US conditions.
How policies of this company are related here? I agree that Amazon abuses their workers, but the workers have a freedom to leave this job. Government doesn't force them to work there, it only participates in the creating of conditions that may force people to work there. While, as I understand, Russia is going to oppress Ukraininas on a level of government in case of successful conquering of territories. And I haven't even mentioned the overall hate of ordinary Russians to Ukrainians.
So, as for Ukrainians, having the West model of economy versus government and social oppression from the East is not a hard choice to pick up.
What do you expect?
I don't know how much it would encourage Putin to invade again.
It's not like he invaded part of Ukraine and was allowed to keep the annexed territory in the name of peace, then 8 years later invaded again, right?
That's exactly how they ended up in a situation. Putin took Crimea with basically no resistance. He just didn't count on Zelensky. Most other leaders would have given in to the pressure and let Putin overrun Ukraine (for a nice golden parachute).
Yeah, historically Ukrainian corruption while not as bad as in Russia was just as pervasive and Putin didn't really think Zelensky or any Ukrainian leadership would act on principles. Of course, it's an easy mistake to make when you have no principles and surround yourself with people who have no principles.
That same orange shit stain is days away from de facto declaring war on Venezuela. Disgusting.
Even if they were to not invade Ukraine again, Putin has been using war to distract the population from domestic problems, so he'd just pick another target after Chechnya, Georgia, Syria, Africa, and Ukraine.
Because if they did, EVERY SINGLE country that wants to invade another, including Russia, will know that if they just wait a year everyone will forget about the sovereign land they stole...
There is no scenario in which Russia gives up control of Crimea. It is simply too strategically important.
What about the scenario that they collapse within due to no economy? That'd lose crimea for them quickly.
Is there any serious analysis that anticipates that? I mean, a flurry of meteor strikes could also do it, I suppose.
Yes. Their oil production is way down due to the destruction of a lot of their refineries so fuel supplies are running low. They are also unable to produce enough amination for their tanks. So their tanks won't go and can't fire, hard to call that winning.
People have been saying this since week 2 of the war lmao
They lost a few percentage points of total refining capacity.
The strikes Ukraine made did disrupt a large percentage of the refineries, that's true. But the strikes didn't do a lot of damage and the refineries were brought back onine shortly.
The total annual production of those refineries was affected. But only something like 3% - 6%.
This week there are reports, plus lots of corroborating videos showing orcs running into battle without helmets or armor. They don't seem to be doing great.
And yet Ukraine can't seem to defend against them? Russian territory gains have been accelerating over the last 4 weeks. Pretty bad situation if Ukraine can't defend against unarmored and unarmed soldiers
too much gas/oil that russia desperately needs.
Russia will come back and take it all, don't give them an edge. Trump will be on TV whining how Ukraine rejected his really good peace offering.
When ever Trump is upset I'm a happy person.
they waited til the right time to take crimea, its almost always a dem president in office before he struck, he miscalculated with ukraine. its the same reason gop ruins the economy, they get blaming points, in this case crimea, ukraine so the reps get re-elected once again, and give russia pass when they are back in power.
I know this is mostly a fantasy by now, but in actual reality, Russia obviously needs to give Crimea back to Ukraine and then continue minding its own fucking business.
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Has Russia in its various incarnations, ever minded its own business? They've been a pain basically since their inception. Mostly because they seem to have predilection for some variation of oppressing their own people and then using those oppressed people to oppress more people.
There was about a 15-year window when they had a democracy and that's been it.
Are you talking about the 90s and early 2000s, when Russia experienced a drop in life expectancy on par with WWII? When foreign capital pillaged the country with the explicit purpose of making an example of them?
Here's a link to The Shock Doctrine: Rise of Disaster Capitalism. It helps explain how things got bad enough that Vladimir fucking Putin seems like the lesser evil to the people who lived through it.
Really? So the invasions by Napoleon, by the WW1 victors, and by the Third Reich were all just Russia being a pain?
whos going to make them? until europe invades, im sorry but you kinda have to hope the us does something
Yeah, that's the fantasy part.
doh, my b missed that word
Good! Fuck Russia! Fuck Putin! Fuck Trump!
Well good for them. Bending knee to Putin won’t secure peace, it’ll only secure them an intermission until Putin can finish the job.
You don’t reward a thief and murderer, you shoot them between the eyes. As a Dutchman, I wholeheartedly support shooting every uniformed Russian or allied you can find. Twice.
In all fairness, I think kost Russian soldiers aren't there by much choice, Putin loves his meat grinder and has pulled well over a million Russians through it.
Yes, that is a problem that Russians should fix themselves, but still. Any soldiers surrendering should be treated well. Show them they've really been figuring on the wrong side
Most of the soldiers getting sent into the meat grinder are ethnic minorities from poor regions of Russia. They're people that European Russians don't care about.
putin is less likely to send muscovites or st.petersberg russians(aka white russians) thats where his influence is, if he starts to send those people, the people are going to riot.
They do have a choice. When Russian frontline collapses in WWI, they started to make revolution in the Russia. Soldiers have all the guns, they have a choice, but they don’t use it or care to use it.
It is hard to revolt against a fascist state..
Alone, you have no change
There are horrible examples made with individuals who try
Organisation is made very hard and punishment is inhumane
People just want to live their lives, and if risks for revolution is so damn high, they can not afford to do it
It worked with the Nazis, it works with Russia and it will work with MAGA
If we don’t have strong protections against fascist takeover, they will do it and will block all counter movements while they are small
That is why they try to make antifa illegal, because active fighting against fascism is always needed, because the danger of a fascist group taking over is always ther
And fascism does not mean against jews, it means usage of power to suppress those with less power. It means slavering with extra steps.
That’s not what I was saying. Russian people have been made revolution before, which started from the soldiers tired of the war. I didn’t speak of the US military or people.
This sort of thinking is what the elites want..
If you apply your hate about the Russian invasion to all people of Russia, you make the job easier for Russian government to spread hate against others even more.
If people of countries would not hate each other, but only people responsible for war, there would simply be no war.
War only works by propaganda, without hate and fear mongering, there would be no wars.
We literally do and we do it regularly.
At this point, telling Russia to give the land back might as well be a land acknowledgement you read in between demanding Florida to back to the Cherokee and telling the Normans to leave England.
Well, quit wasting your time. Get down to Ukraine and win the war, then.
If anything, Russia should give up land to Ukraine!
Give back*!
Why should they?
Because he didn’t say thank you.
Because the zone is a wasteland anyways, and the few that live there were pro Russian as far as I remember
If a part of your country doesn’t want to belong to you anymore, then it shouldn’t (like Taiwan or Hong Kong)
The vast majority regions that Russia currently occupied/demanding were overwhelmingly pro-Ukrainian (opposing to Russian aggression) before the invasion. Or are you referring the annexation referendum or some vote results made under occupation by foreign military force? If you brutally invade a neighboring country and force its people to make an annexation referendum at gunpoint, surely the result will favor you, and you can invade other countries wherever you want like that.
Source?
The views and opinions of South-Eastern regions residents of Ukraine: April 2014 https://kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=302&page=1&y=2014&m=4
Thank you. I think there is some slight nuance here but these numbers certainly refute the narrative that the locals wanted to join Russia. Assuming the poll was conducted fairly. I'm not familiar with the agency behind it.
I had bookmarked more different polls, but I lost all after I renewed my PC :/ You can look into it and find more.
Id like to hear your opinion on Crimea
Only because of Russia. Imagine the implications of that mindset. Just bomb a place to shit them take it.
False. Are you going off what Russia said?! Lol Russia killed, displaced, threatened, and lied about those votes.
We already established that's built on a lie but even if that's true that's not a green light for Russia to invade.
Do you have any data suggesting otherwise? Before the invasion, those people weren't happy with the anti-russian language laws passed by the central government or the fascist militias they wouldn't stop.
Once again, you're using a gaslighting argument called changing the argument. Russia should be allowed to invade Ukraine because a boarder region wants to leave? Even if that was true, the way Russia is going about claiming the region isn't justified. If Russia cared so much they wouldn't have turned the region into a wasteland. They wouldn't have tried to take the capital. They wouldn't be launching attacks well past the disputed area. Hell is you want to get specific, Russia wouldn't have any right Crimea. But I guess you have the dame lies on hand for that region too.
Neither side has any interest in the well-being and prosperity of the people living in those regions, I just want the war to stop. Same position I've held since 2022 when the lines were mostly where they are, and the peace deal was mostly where it is, but millions were still in their homes and hundreds of thousands still alive.
The war ends when Russia respects Ukraine's original post USSR fracturing boarders agreement because Ukraine had something like 80% of the USSR's nukes. You want the war to end. STFU.
Russia will never agree to that, so you're just advocating every last Ukrainian be sent to die in a meat grinder? Maybe if you send the Poles, Germans, and French to die too, Russia will run out of manpower and then you can have your borders.
Source?
You believe that an invading army that commits war crimes and comes from a country with no democracy is going to hold free and fair elections? Are you insane?
I’m getting USA vibes
Obviously it is something that means they can’t be fully trusted. Disregarding the results without searching for counter proof is dumb. This region was known for not being very pro Ukraine in the first place
The 2014 elections were actually pretty close in those areas. A month later the Russians invaded the Donbas though so there wasn't any chance to be pro-Ukrainian after that. And then there's the fact that people tend to not like like invading armies. I'm pretty sure anyone still in the area isn't a fan of the people shelling them every day.
Also, it's not a wasteland, it's actually a pretty strategic area.
They were "honest" Russian elections
There is no such thing !
in 2014, the ukrainian govt was a pro-russian pm, he fled after the people revolted against him. oh one of trumps former cabinet was working with russia/ukraine at the time too.
Yup and then they held snap elections right after. Russia was sore that Ukraine actually supported the pro-EU party and invaded Donbas under the fiction that it was a locally led and staffed rebellion against Kyiv. But there wasn't enough local support for a rebellion.
You're wrong
Nice argument
Thx
So the U.S should give up Texas every time they get a hair up their ass and holler to secede?
C'mon dude. Be real.
Honestly? I say if Texas voted, let 'em go. Let Abbot even be the Confederate President, then wait until Mexico shows their displeasure.
The US would never allow it. Too many military resources in Texas.
Wrong, everyone pro Russian stayed or moved to the occupied Donbass area in 2014
what putin was the resources in ukraine, and of course to replenish thier population with ukrainians.
Nor should they.
Never bow to bullies.
Bully the bullies back.
Nor should they. And they own their oil discoveries.
And we should donate, as we should. And fight where we can.
Demand reparations, send all the Russians back to actual Russia and Putin to The Hague
Good
The article literally says no lmao
With the Russians and MAGA, one should sleep with one eye open. The Russians are in a wartime economy and can produce more weapons than they lose on the battlefield. The only way to stop them and throw back the Russians is to create another 1917 revolt.
russia needs another lenin (well whole world does)
As a Russian communist with relatives in Ukraine, count me in!
(Historical context for others: 1917 has seen two revolutions, February one, which ended monarchy, and October one, which brought bolsheviks, the communists and socialists siding with Lenin, to power. Lenin has then taken Russia out of the World War I)
Russia has been drained to the dregs, far as vehicles go. People go over sat footage and count the amount of machines in the vehicle parks. Covert Cabal made a video on that several days ago.
Russia Has Began a MASSIVE withdraw of ancient T-72 Ural and A variant tanks
And he has resigned...
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-anti-corruption-officers-search-office-zelenskiys-chief-staff-officials-2025-11-28/
Given that Europe has had 4 years to start cranking up its military power and has failed to do so meaningfully, and the US looks like a vassal state of Russia at the moment, I feel this may become an inevitability if Europeans don't stop bickering about where exactly gets to make what, and starts actually making things, like with the 2 modern fighter projects (as Europe cannot make its own 5th yet alone 6th gen fighters), or the joint European (France and Germany mainly) tank project.
You might want to look into that because Europe absolutely is ramping up its military response.
What part about mentioning 3 specific projects as examples of where Europe is not doing enough makes you think that I am not aware of their efforts?
I am specifically saying those efforts are not enough nor are they soon enough.
You're statement would have had more truth to it in 2023 then it does today. Europe is still behind Russia in that regard but Russia committed to fully switching to a wartime economy.
Just to be clear, your point and argument, are that I am correct, but I am wrong because exactly as I mentioned, Europe could have done better if they bolstered their defences and prepared?
It feels like you've just taken my comment as an attack on Europe, but have no real criticisms of my points.
My statement would be less true, not more true in 2023, because the point is, the longer they go without having done so, the more dire the situation becomes.
What i don't get is: has anybody bothered asking the people who have lived in the affected territories (Donbass) what they want?
Maybe that'd have been a valid point back in say 2005 or something but the Russians have pretty thoroughly muddies the waters for such a vote to be possible at this point. While I don't know about the Donbass in particular nearly as wellas I probably should if it's anything like Crimea there's a solid chance that quite a solid chunk of the original locals want to turn Moscow into a smoking crater.
Russia likes to move colonists in as fast as possible and frankly speaking they can drown on their own blood.
And how would they go about doing that? It's not like Russia wouldn't allow there to be a free vote.
What if they invited UN observers?
Like they did in Crimea?
And it doesn't matter. With the mass killings and population transfers it CAN'T be a fair vote now. It's a moot point. The only time a vote could have been fair or representative was BEFORE the Russian invasion and ethnic cleansing.
Some people wanted to join Russia, the majority didn't, and it varies year per year per whatever issue is making the rounds. Funny thing about independent movements though, they don't really care about the percentage of people and sub-regions who didn't want to leave or what they thought.
Why does it matter what they want? What next, are you gonna ask the people being sent to die? The only people who really matter are billionaires like Putin and Zelenskyy and what chickenhawks on
redditlemmy want.69% of Ukrainians want out of the war. They are tired of dieing for land: https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx
I dont trust Russia at all, but no one is winning the war except for corporation war machine.
But if you disagree strongly, ukraine is ready for you here's how you can sign up your life for the war: http://joinuarmy.org/en/
The divide among people who would be new Russians and the people safely in the cities was stark previously. People going to be annexed really don’t want that it seems.
Of course not, but its the rest of the country that would have to fight and die to try to get it back.
You're just saying lives are less important than land. How many acres is your life worth?
Super weird correlation bro. As if the people didn’t come with the land. As if a captured population wouldn’t be mistreated. I believe I spelled that out clearly so no idea where you conjured up your bs. Absolutely terrible argument.
I sold about 350 acres in 2022 and I’m down to just 3 now because that’s all I need for my farm ❤️. I’d rather be dead than hand them over to some Russians against my will.
Saying the people come with the land is not a strong point, its a weird correlation bro. Populations can be evacuated or protected, and the fighting itself is what puts them in the most danger. More war means more civilians abused or displaced, not fewer.
You can reclaim and trade for land. You cannot reclaim the dead. This is why calling any negotiation stupid ignores the actual moral math of large scale conflict.
And you didn't say how much land your life was worth. After you answer say how much land is worth your neighbors life too. Because we've done this before in war. Thousands dieing for inches....ww1.
Was completely avoidable too. Just do what you yourself signed in Minsk agreement.
Yeah all russia had to do was not invade
How were they supposed to quell widespread anti-corruption protests and restore Putin's slumping popularly without a successful 3 day military operation? Do you realize how much the successful war against Georgia boosted Putin's popularity right when he needed it? /s
Piglets were supposed to follow Minsk agreement.
That's all they needed to do.
Ya know - not to harass 70% of ukranian population that's Russian speaking. Not to say that "we are developing nuclear weapons" - things like that
Rationalize russias warcrimes however you want
War crimes? Ukranians are getting white glove treatments, full citizenship, benefits and are allowed to leave the country if they don't like it.
It does not get any better.
U gotta to be a total idiot to fight for a ukranian army to protect slightly differently colored oligarchs.
From the bottom of my heart, and, on behalf of all the lives lost and ruined by putlers fascist government and war, fuck you.
Zelensky is a completely incompetent moron. He could have easily done a deal and avoided whole war. Now he's gonna be exactly the same thing but with ruined economy and wasted lives.
Lmao. Its going to be a smaller Ukraine . Much more manageable one.
That population that fled to Europe is not coming back.
They will be taught a lesson and denazified.
Somehow I doubt Russian fascists intend to denazify anything. More likely they will add Ukrainian people and economic output to their war machine and pick a new former Russian Imperial possession to invade.
Yep, they're already doing this in the occupied regions. The men there are sent to the same war.
or they plant russian citizens in the region, so they can "vote to join russia"
My word, this is the stupidest thing I've read today
This is what-if thinking. Right now the Russian are clearly showing disinterest in negotiating the end of the war, they are fully prepared to sacrifice more lives in order to gain territories, there is no reason to think they weren't already at the start.
it's delusional thinking, they took crimea...and they tried to to take more when they thought they could get away with, russians have been using the same playbook for centuries now. there are so many examples to pick from here showing this...give them anything and it just paints you as an easy target for more.
the real question (imo) is why hasnt someone just assassinated putin by now
Because everyone close enough to assassinate Putin benefits from the regime. None of them are in their positions for altruistic reasons and all them them would face the gallows if Russia had real accountability. It's why Coup attempts are frequently not launched by Generals.
there was barely resistance during obama when he took crimea, he was hoping biden was the same. his micalculated, covid helped indirectly, because everyone was basically home and paying attention to the news.
More specifically he underestimated the preparation of Ukrainian soldiers, notably the fact that NATO instructors came to share their training and tactics and help to prepare for the next war. He was well aware of it though, he used that as an argument that Ukraine was about to join NATO.
they still have over 135-144milion people in russia, he would probably send half of his orcs if he could.
Nobody wants to accept that the celebrity comedian placeholder candidate who won on a generic protest vote years before the war started isn't this generation's Nelson Mandela.
I'm beginning to understand how the Ukrainians have lost to an army as incompetent and corrupt as the Russians.
Zelenskyy is a hero, the Churchill of our time. Your boss Pootang is a greedy, theiving, cowardly midget with a tiny penis, Boris.
Churchill? The guy who killed 4.2 million of Indians via famine? Who proclaimed fascism the antidote to the poison of communism?
I like Zelenskyy less than most billionaires, but I wouldn't compare him to a genocidal ghoul like Churchill.
Ohh you just took the crown for stupidest comment I've read today
The slow walking of Military Aid under Biden and the disruption of aid under Trump are the main reasons the Ukrainians haven't done better. Most people are amazed they did as well against the Russian's as they have.