Yeah if you account for all the wank sessions you were broadcasting to your creator, the reason you're still alive is either proof of there not being a god, or a very perverted one.
Nope, that's not taking his name in vain. No matter how much the christian busy bodies would have you believe. That particular idea is about shit like the prosperity gospel or christian nationalists.
I had understood it to mean, like, making an oath ("I swear to God..." or the whole hand-on-a-Bible swearing) and not following through, or making it lightly.
Jesus had a whole thing about it, saying that not only should you not make an oath in God's name lightly, but that you shouldn't at all (implying it shouldn't be necessary, if you're already an honest person). "Let your yes be yes, and your no be no."
Which, honestly, makes way more sense than some nonsense about not saying their names.
While true, christians have been sidestepping that one, and others like it, for longer than our civilization has been a nascent idea. They just say the laws that apply to man don't apply to god. It's not even that difficult of a conclusion. See: God causes a crack in the earth to swallow up an entire family because they sinned? A-ok. Can a man kill someone and their family because they sinned? Nope, have to follow the laws about it, written in some book called leshitticus or something, idk.
God acting as an executioner for crimes he's supposed to judge seems not as bad as God just straight up being like "yeah folks, I'm jealous and petty! But also perfect! But you better not be jealous and petty!"
God so loved his creation that they would condemn to hellfire every child born into slavery who never has a chance to experience or express a single ounce of religious agency, much less participate in the requisite Christian salvation pageantry!
Technically, the 10 commandments tell believers not to be envious. Not to envy your neighbor’s stuff.
Envy is “I wish I had what someone else has.”
Jealousy is “I’m worried someone else will take what should be mine.”
(Though in modern English “jealous” has largely absorbed the meaning for “envious,” I think the distinction is worth making because both concepts are individually useful.)
Since the first commandment is “you shall have no other gods before me,” God being “a jealous God” fits the 10 commandments well.
Not that this refutes your argument or anything but they're not sidestepping it. It's an example of "rules for thee not for me". As far as they're concerned capital G od is above men and as it's his right to impose rules that apply only to those beneath him.
You can see it in their politics, Christians support the top down model and don't believe those in positions of authority should be held accountable in the same way as the "common" man. UNLESS, they represent an opposing ideological stance.
If anything, the thing you should use as an example of God's hypocrisy is that he sicks Satan (who is subservient to God) on humanity...... as a flex?
Politically that's be like the DNC being subservient to the Republican party and being used to piss off a bunch.....wait
(This is a joke... kinda)
Oh I know, it's not meant to be the one true argument to destroy anyone's belief in god. But yeah the entire story of Job is just so fucked up. God literally puts Job through so much suffering just because of a pissing match with the devil.
Tbf, of all the fucked up shit and inconsistency in the bible, this one isn't really a thing. The tenth commandment uses a different word (covet) and has a different context than in the "jealous god" used earlier.
The tenth commandment is very structured around "wanting shit that isn't yours." Because God (canonically) is the rightful owner of all things, he cannot be covetous
The words are different in Hebrew, too. There's pretty substantial debate on how exactly to translate the jealous god part, but that's largely to do with how "abusive husband" the translator wants to make him sound.
wants people to be in fear and panic, begging for their lives
Ha, sounds live the average CEO. That, and if whatever someone prays for shows up, it's because they made it happen. And if it doesn't show up, it's because the praying person didn't put in enough effort.
Imagine how shocked the world would be if it turns out the Arabic word for God comes from a black box recording that got swung back in time after a plane crash, with the last bit of the recording being stuck...
that last bit of recording? copilot waking up right before the crash, calling out to the pilot called Allan, but halfway through the word it turns into a scream. All-AAAAAAAH! BOOM.
And the whole world is just stuck on this otherwise insignificant fact. Never mind that someone just dug up carbon-dated 2000-ish year old contemporary technology, proving time travel is possible, or that people 2000-ish years ago managed to somehow make that tech work enough to influence the third largest language in a very significant manner... No, it's the fact that the Arabic word for God came from a guy named Allan.
I like to think that a small learjet carrying 12 passengers passes through a time portal, and when the captain steps out onto that Tigris plain, he winces at the sun and says "Jesus Christ!" and the people bowed
See that wouldn't really work. The modern "Jesus" is actually quite far from the original old Hebrew/Aramaic name he would've used.
No, it would've been Yeshua or Yehoshua (the Bible has some shifting references as to when the longer form of the name might've gotten shortened to Yeshua).
Similarly, "Christ" isn't something used in Aramaic. It's not even technically his name, it's more of a title, from the Greek Χριστός (Christos, translating as "anointed), which in Hebrew would be mashiakh - or in direct English translation... Messiah.
Furthermore Yeshua was a quite common name at the time, in Nazareth alone you would've found a handful, even though the village was maybe a thousand people at the time.
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I heard one where the pilot exclaimed "we're doing it!" [or something similar] as he managed to fly the 747 inverted, seconds before hitting the ocean.
Is this supposed to make me believe in God? As if people who die in a plane crash know more about the universe than me somehow? Does falling really fast instill some ancient forgotten knowledge in you?
I’m assuming the poster is Christian, tbf. If they’re just a very demonstrative Zoroastrian, then it’s not the same god (mostly. That’s a little debatable, but I’m not informed enough to debate it).
But the god of Abraham is the god of Abraham. If there’s a debate there, you’ll have to explain it to me.
"Allahu akbar" could even be roughly translated in intention as "oh my god", or "dear lord", or "HOLY SHIT!". Yes literal translation is "God is great", but what the fuck is "Oh Jesus in heaven" if not that.
Praying is wishing, It has the same effect. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't. It gives us comfort, because our brains are wired like that, if we can't get what we want, maybe some authority can give it to us by asking nicely. Expressing it soothes us. It's like screaming HELP! when you fell down a well. It's not aimed at anyone in particular, it's just a cry for anyone or anything to help you, because you're desperate.
Is there evidence that that's actually what happens and not just e.g. spontaneous remission? But even if it's true, if a drug works as well as placebo then we usually conclude that it doesn't work.
But a prayer is directly aimed at one thing. I understand that there are literally hundreds of Gods, but each individual would typically only target one.
Yeah. "This violent tornado missed my home so close! Oh thank you, god!"
Noone ever asks why their god created the tornado in the first place. Not even the neighbor whose house has been obliterated. He's probably thanking god for being alive. It's bizarre.
I remember seeing an SUV that had this in vinyl on their back window (paraphrased, I don't remember the exact wording): "RIP so-and-so - God cured his suffering and took him to Heaven."
So, God either gets credit for killing the guy, or he gets credit for saving the guy. No matter what, God comes out as the good guy!
It's purely emotional, irrational thinking, solely serves the purpose of giving a weak mind an easy way to feel better about bad things that happen.
My mind doesn't work that way, I can't auto suggest myself out of logic - and to me, that kind of thinking is what is fundamentally wrong about this world. It makes people susceptible to all kinds of intellectual dishonesty.
If you can lie yourself into believing obvious bullshit just because it's comfortable, you will also be easily influenced by liars, charlatans and demagogues.
I highly doubt that people like Trump would be possible In a predominantly atheist society with people who are used to scientific scepticism.
Yeah. It's like doctors ; they really love it when people thank God for saving a patient. Usually it's the dumbass family but it's really a special moment when it's the dumbass patient themselves.
What's our opinion on thanking God for blessing doctors with the talent to save your life/lives of others? A bit more empathetic?
(I'm not suggesting this is necessarily my belief, but for those who profess a love for God/Allah/etc, I think it is fair to both thank the creator they believe in as well as the people who work on them on earth).
Odin, Amun-Ra, Perun, Sol Invictis, Jupitor, Zeus, Vishnu, Deified Alexander of Macedonia, Et cetera there are lots of gods outside of fucken Yahweh to choose from.
I dunno, seems pretty rock solid that the majority of people aren't praying to the Christian god [edit: worldwide, which is my point], seeing as nowhere even close to a majority of people on earth are Christian.
There are all sorts of religions out there, and many who don't believe in religion at all.
I do agree that all humans are prone to bias, that's why it's so important to be aware of it in order to mitigate it.
The OOP making some stupid religious claims, definitely is not aware.
Same for the other side. All the countless times where God miraculously saves the plane in the last moment lost to history. No news report, no one will check the black box. It's just another Tuesday
Isnt it though? If i say i own a car but never carry car keys, my home has no garage or on-street parking spot, that is evidence that i dont own a car.
It's just a twee catchphrase christians came up with to say you can't prove a negative. It's not anything new, and it's not actually contributing anything. It's a core aspect of "burden of proof", and this is just a way of shifting said burden to the people asking for evidence of the divine instead of leaving it on the people asserting that the divine exists in the first place.
Yes, but absence of evidence isn't evidence for anything.
It's wild how many need to find them some scientific method.
I was only pointing out, in my original comment, that I'm sure around the world people pray/say all sorts of things when a plane is crashing, not just the Christian god. But because they're only focusing on crashes in the US, they are concluding that everyone prays to god (presumably, the Christian one).
so you didn't know which god saved them either. It could be the flying spaghetti monster. (note the existence of this religion is literally based on your statement)
note the existence of this religion is literally based on your statement
That's demonstrably false. I made my statement yesterday and religions exist for way over 70 years. Destroyed by pure logic. Checkmate atheist.
If you want to know what really starts religions, check out Daniel O. McClellan's book "YHWH divine images" chapter 2. You find the PDF for free just by searching the title.
Yes, but importantly you can't demonstrate that it was a god that saved them. We'll deal with the issue of which one it was once we get past that first problem.
That’s demonstrably false.
Er... Well, this seems like a great opportunity for you to prove that. Though I suspect you misunderstood the initial comment here.
It's because they missed the point of my comment. That it's selection bias to claim that everyone is praying to the Christian god, when statistically, that can't be true, even if they are praying.
The selection bias had nothing to do with selecting the planes that crashed, but selecting planes that crashed in the US, which is a much more Christian country than many other places.
I don't even believe OOP's premise. There might be a majority with prayers at the end but I don't think it's every single one.
I think they only care about the US. It's not selection bias but ignorance about the rest of the world.
That said, OOP's argument wasn't that their god is real but that deep down, everyone is religious. Still they made it into a truth claim about their religion. The commenter took the truth claim and ran with it.
I thought about putting "/s" in my first comment but it didn't feel quite right. It was more a thought experiment. Applying selection bias to the reply. It was only the second comment when I entered troll mode.
Because there is no magic sky magician letting kids die a gruesome leukemia death, while saving a specific plane because a special favorite person of his happens to be on board the aircraft. There's just physics and mechanics and pilots and things going right and things going wrong.
That person has gone on to repeatedly double down on the position elsewhere in the comments, I'm afraid to say the hivemind was right on this one and they sure appear to be a whackdoodle that actually believes what they said there.
Did you mean Poe's Law? That would imply you only made the claim about divine selection bias sarcastically, and we all just thought you were being serious.
"Are all our prayers answered? Yes, they are. What people who ask that question often don’t realize is that sometimes the answer to our prayer is "no." Dear God, please make my mother not be crazy. God’s answer: no. Dear God, please let me recover from cancer. God’s answer: no. Dear God, please take away this toothache. God’s answer: alright, but you’re going to be run over by a car."
Well, she clearly states that God never gives no answer. You see, God is omniscient. He knows what you have prayed for and you, by knowing that he is omniscient, know that He knows. Thus, if you don't get what you have prayed for then you can safely assume, despite God not explicitly stating as such, that His answer is no.
Ok it's funny but black box doesn't record audio from the cabin. Pretty sure it just has like flight data. From the airplane sensors. And logs of actions. ?
That's what satanic media wants you to think. But actually, everyone on a plane has a microphone and all the audio goes directly to the big black cube in the middle, to be recorded and stored forever.
"Black box" usually refers to both the Flight Data Recorder and the Cockpit Voice Recorder as a nebulous whole - some FDRs are also configured to record pilot mics as well but that's not standard.
Actually, I've seen a compilation of plane crash last recordings, and literally all of them are pilots screaming at each other to maneuver and/or cursing at the top of their lungs.
What's hilarious is proof that religious propaganda is wrong is always extremely easy to find. Yet your dipshit demented christian grandparents or parents will regurgitate that trash non-stop anyway.
So, El? That sounds an awful lot like the Canaanite mythology that Judaism sprung from. Yahweh was just a hotheaded war & storm god in a wide pantheon headed by El.
That was the El Faro, a ship lost with all hands due to improper maintenance and poor decisions made by the captain. Lots of sailors from Maine were aboard.
I'd hedge my bets too if I knew I had mere minutes to live. I stand to lose nothing and I gain comfort at the end, regardless of whether or not I am rewarded with some kind of afterlife.
I've been in a situation where I thought I might well die, and this point of view flitted across my mind, as it is bound to do. Followed immediately by the certainty that this would be the most wretched, hypocritical and worthless way to spend my final moments. If I had no survival strategies to consider or ways to contact my loved ones, I'd rather spend the time looking out the window and admiring the view.
A lot of publicly available ones are indeed cut to preserve the dignity of the deceased. If it's not safety or causal-related, they remove stuff fairly frequently.
There are plenty of places you can find dredged up, un-edited versions and there's a lot more cursing involved, among other things like personal messages to loved ones.
You are correct. The public only receives written transcripts of the relevant sections of tape only. Off-topic conversations, meaning anything that is not relevant to the air accident, are not released. The audio files are not released to the public.
The very last words are often relevant to explaining the sequence. They are often "oh shit!" or equivalent as the ground appears in front of them. It can help tell the difference between a flight crew that knew what was going on but couldn't fix it and one which lost situational awareness
He does such a good job. I wish he’d be a bit less clickbait-y, but I understand private equity investment means he kinda has to play the game, like many other very good YouTube channels (Veritasium springs to mind).
A quick search shows that at least two Federal agencies are involved [FAA and NTSB] in any investigation. You could probably do a Freedom of Information Act search.
The usual process is to release an edited version.
I'd think that unless there was a compelling reason, like an allegation that the pilot deliberately crashed the plane, they'd respect the crews privacy.
Yeah, there was a website that had all the unedited transcripts and some recordings from crashes. I don't think I remember reading any real prayers, that's unless you count something like "oh God, oh god" as a prayer. Mainly just a lot of swearing and a mix of panicked or resigned statements. Most are just a couple sentences long, seems like most crashes go from fine to catastrophic very quickly.
Doing my morning walk through the churches in my neighborhood and there's two old churches side by side, both rocking out, one sort of blues riffs, one a little more traditional rock. And as I often do, I stood for a moment taking it in - this is the Southern culture I think is fascinating and rich and... then I realize the blues one is now just doing a call and refrain "I don't need no - evidence" over and over, and my dog's like "let's get the fuck out of here" and so we did.
But it's cute for a second if you don't try to focus in on it. This is how religion should be taken in, and then hustle your ass along.
I believe god is omnipotent and omniscient so I just prayed once for a good and healthy life. To pray often is to doubt god's power. I don't wanna out god in a box like that. Plus god has a divine plan that is obviously unable to be altered so why should we interject our own opinions into it? Seems like hubris to me.
No one laughs at god in a hospital. No one laughs at god in a war..
We are laughing at your dumb post because it references satan, as if satan, a demigod, needs a news channel to trick you into defying an omnipotent god.
- James K. Morrow
On the other hand, if you're already on the battlefield...
Praying in that situation splits your attention from staying the fuck alive and is not recommended.
I'd personally prefer something more along the lines of a bear cave, I think 🤷
I have never prayed to god and I've never been in a plane crash.
I am constantly praying to god, and I've never been in a plane crash. Checkmate atheists!
Yeah if you account for all the wank sessions you were broadcasting to your creator, the reason you're still alive is either proof of there not being a god, or a very perverted one.
You Have Wank Hastily
I say "jesus christ" about a lot of things. Does that count as praying?
I think that's actually a sin
Nope, that's not taking his name in vain. No matter how much the christian busy bodies would have you believe. That particular idea is about shit like the prosperity gospel or christian nationalists.
I had understood it to mean, like, making an oath ("I swear to God..." or the whole hand-on-a-Bible swearing) and not following through, or making it lightly.
Jesus had a whole thing about it, saying that not only should you not make an oath in God's name lightly, but that you shouldn't at all (implying it shouldn't be necessary, if you're already an honest person). "Let your yes be yes, and your no be no."
Which, honestly, makes way more sense than some nonsense about not saying their names.
Jesus has already forgiven me.
Is that the Biblical Jesus, or just some Hispanic dude?
Since it has the same effect, it might as well.
I occasionally pray to aliens and I've never been in any kind of crash
I have never prayed to Sam Jackson and I've only been on one plane that I saw a snake on.
So this person believes their god wants people to be in fear and panic, begging for their lives, and to die anyway? Thats so fucked up.
Christian God is a narcissist and will burn you for eternity for not praising him properly. This is nothing new.
God breaks his own rules in the ten commandments. God tells us not to be jealous of our neighbors while describing himself as a jealous god.
While true, christians have been sidestepping that one, and others like it, for longer than our civilization has been a nascent idea. They just say the laws that apply to man don't apply to god. It's not even that difficult of a conclusion. See: God causes a crack in the earth to swallow up an entire family because they sinned? A-ok. Can a man kill someone and their family because they sinned? Nope, have to follow the laws about it, written in some book called leshitticus or something, idk.
God acting as an executioner for crimes he's supposed to judge seems not as bad as God just straight up being like "yeah folks, I'm jealous and petty! But also perfect! But you better not be jealous and petty!"
That's why "Christian morality is objective" and "God is all good" are mutually exclusive statements.
The claim that christian morality is objective is false on the face of it. By definition it is the subjective opinion of god.
God so loved his creation that they would condemn to hellfire every child born into slavery who never has a chance to experience or express a single ounce of religious agency, much less participate in the requisite Christian salvation pageantry!
Her pain is God's love!
Technically, the 10 commandments tell believers not to be envious. Not to envy your neighbor’s stuff.
Envy is “I wish I had what someone else has.”
Jealousy is “I’m worried someone else will take what should be mine.”
(Though in modern English “jealous” has largely absorbed the meaning for “envious,” I think the distinction is worth making because both concepts are individually useful.)
Since the first commandment is “you shall have no other gods before me,” God being “a jealous God” fits the 10 commandments well.
Not that this refutes your argument or anything but they're not sidestepping it. It's an example of "rules for thee not for me". As far as they're concerned capital G od is above men and as it's his right to impose rules that apply only to those beneath him.
You can see it in their politics, Christians support the top down model and don't believe those in positions of authority should be held accountable in the same way as the "common" man. UNLESS, they represent an opposing ideological stance.
If anything, the thing you should use as an example of God's hypocrisy is that he sicks Satan (who is subservient to God) on humanity...... as a flex?
Politically that's be like the DNC being subservient to the Republican party and being used to piss off a bunch.....wait (This is a joke... kinda)
Oh I know, it's not meant to be the one true argument to destroy anyone's belief in god. But yeah the entire story of Job is just so fucked up. God literally puts Job through so much suffering just because of a pissing match with the devil.
The real lesson of all those old testimate stories is that God doesn't care about your life, only your soul. Take from that what you will
Tbf, of all the fucked up shit and inconsistency in the bible, this one isn't really a thing. The tenth commandment uses a different word (covet) and has a different context than in the "jealous god" used earlier.
The tenth commandment is very structured around "wanting shit that isn't yours." Because God (canonically) is the rightful owner of all things, he cannot be covetous
Since the Bible wasn't originally written in English, could that be simply something lost in translation, tho?
The words are different in Hebrew, too. There's pretty substantial debate on how exactly to translate the jealous god part, but that's largely to do with how "abusive husband" the translator wants to make him sound.
Yes, that’s straight up how the Abrahamic God is described in scripture
god pls no
Ha, sounds live the average CEO. That, and if whatever someone prays for shows up, it's because they made it happen. And if it doesn't show up, it's because the praying person didn't put in enough effort.
The Abrahamic God in its most popular forms is exactly that. It's poor, ignorant person's idea of a powerful ruler.
What's so fucked up about human sacrifice? Gods have been demanding them all the time.
Hmmmmmmm. Please make sure you are never in a position of power.
"I have no evidence for any of this but I know in my heart it's true!"
Sums up all major religions in one sentence.
These facts don't align with my feelz.
"I don't know it for a fact... I just know that it's true".
According to the most recent studies, it turns out the name of God is
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH"
Allan?
Imagine how shocked the world would be if it turns out the Arabic word for God comes from a black box recording that got swung back in time after a plane crash, with the last bit of the recording being stuck...
that last bit of recording? copilot waking up right before the crash, calling out to the pilot called Allan, but halfway through the word it turns into a scream. All-AAAAAAAH! BOOM.
And the whole world is just stuck on this otherwise insignificant fact. Never mind that someone just dug up carbon-dated 2000-ish year old contemporary technology, proving time travel is possible, or that people 2000-ish years ago managed to somehow make that tech work enough to influence the third largest language in a very significant manner... No, it's the fact that the Arabic word for God came from a guy named Allan.
I like to think that a small learjet carrying 12 passengers passes through a time portal, and when the captain steps out onto that Tigris plain, he winces at the sun and says "Jesus Christ!" and the people bowed
See that wouldn't really work. The modern "Jesus" is actually quite far from the original old Hebrew/Aramaic name he would've used.
No, it would've been Yeshua or Yehoshua (the Bible has some shifting references as to when the longer form of the name might've gotten shortened to Yeshua).
Similarly, "Christ" isn't something used in Aramaic. It's not even technically his name, it's more of a title, from the Greek Χριστός (Christos, translating as "anointed), which in Hebrew would be mashiakh - or in direct English translation... Messiah.
Furthermore Yeshua was a quite common name at the time, in Nazareth alone you would've found a handful, even though the village was maybe a thousand people at the time.
So, modernized, Joshua Messiah
Joshuah the Messiah/Anointed, yes.
إن شاء الله
There is a missing L
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To be a party pooper, according to the old testament it's JHWH or in long, Jehovah.
Nope, “Jehovah” is a latinization. “Yahweh”/“YHWH” is a more accurate rendering.
But in the Latin alphabet, Jehova begins with an I.
I heard one black box where the pilot’s final words were just a very resigned, almost conversational, “Goddamnit.”
I heard one where the pilot exclaimed "we're doing it!" [or something similar] as he managed to fly the 747 inverted, seconds before hitting the ocean.
Please give me the sauce. I need more information on this
It's in one of Mayday episodes, I can't remember which one but it's likely easy to find if you search for that.
It seems like it should be Alaska Air flight 261. But I can't find the source on the saying. Maybe I dreamed it!
Strong chance my final words will be "Oh shoot, shoooot." Even tho I swear like a sailor, if it's really bad, I go for clean language.
Is this supposed to make me believe in God? As if people who die in a plane crash know more about the universe than me somehow? Does falling really fast instill some ancient forgotten knowledge in you?
I think you may have missed the bottom text
I've gone bungie jumping; no revelations, just adrenaline.
Fallen out of trees; sudden stop hurts like fuck.
Jumped into water from at least 10m; wet, fun.
Other drops at various speed and landings. No ancient forgotten knowledge acquired.
All data I've collected personally indicates you do not get revelations at less than a 50m drop.
Note: not peer reviewed, sample size small, subject survived all falls with no more than minor injuries.
To me, the logic is similar to "I can PROVE God exists. Look at the way this banana fits in my hand... "
I did not think you were going to say hand lol
Technically counts as a prayer to a god...
It’s even the same god
(misread as "not even the same", my mistake.)
I’m assuming the poster is Christian, tbf. If they’re just a very demonstrative Zoroastrian, then it’s not the same god (mostly. That’s a little debatable, but I’m not informed enough to debate it).
But the god of Abraham is the god of Abraham. If there’s a debate there, you’ll have to explain it to me.
Edit: I saw your edit, nvm!
Strictly speaking we don't know which god the original image is referencing, although I'd agree it's likely to be the Abrahamic God.
"Allahu akbar" could even be roughly translated in intention as "oh my god", or "dear lord", or "HOLY SHIT!". Yes literal translation is "God is great", but what the fuck is "Oh Jesus in heaven" if not that.
Same thing, different name :P
OHHHH GANESH SAVE ME!
Praying is wishing, It has the same effect. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't. It gives us comfort, because our brains are wired like that, if we can't get what we want, maybe some authority can give it to us by asking nicely. Expressing it soothes us. It's like screaming HELP! when you fell down a well. It's not aimed at anyone in particular, it's just a cry for anyone or anything to help you, because you're desperate.
Shit, cats do that. Do they also pray to god?
It doesn't ever work. It just occasionally coincides with reality.
And when you're in a life and death situation, those odds are good enough.
In some cases it does work. Believe can cause wonder healings. Not because of supernatural but because of subconscious.
Is there evidence that that's actually what happens and not just e.g. spontaneous remission? But even if it's true, if a drug works as well as placebo then we usually conclude that it doesn't work.
Also, people who know that someone else is praying for them actually have worse outcomes according to one of the most comprehensive studies ever done on this.
Yes, and even God can't understand what is it that they want this time.
Easy, both to be inside and outside is what cats want
Schrödinger's cat.
No, wait...
Hilarious to consider a deity who's existence resolves upon observation in an afterlife that also resolves upon death.
Why would cats pray to themselves?
But a prayer is directly aimed at one thing. I understand that there are literally hundreds of Gods, but each individual would typically only target one.
Praying is retarded.
Yes, a large percentage of the population is religious, that doesn't make their religion true
Yeah. "This violent tornado missed my home so close! Oh thank you, god!"
Noone ever asks why their god created the tornado in the first place. Not even the neighbor whose house has been obliterated. He's probably thanking god for being alive. It's bizarre.
I remember seeing an SUV that had this in vinyl on their back window (paraphrased, I don't remember the exact wording): "RIP so-and-so - God cured his suffering and took him to Heaven."
So, God either gets credit for killing the guy, or he gets credit for saving the guy. No matter what, God comes out as the good guy!
I have no idea how people live in this mindset.
It's purely emotional, irrational thinking, solely serves the purpose of giving a weak mind an easy way to feel better about bad things that happen.
My mind doesn't work that way, I can't auto suggest myself out of logic - and to me, that kind of thinking is what is fundamentally wrong about this world. It makes people susceptible to all kinds of intellectual dishonesty.
If you can lie yourself into believing obvious bullshit just because it's comfortable, you will also be easily influenced by liars, charlatans and demagogues.
I highly doubt that people like Trump would be possible In a predominantly atheist society with people who are used to scientific scepticism.
HiS wAyS aRe MyStErIoUs
it's like removing the tariffs to reduce grocery prices
That's what is called codependency
It is always either "God works in mysterious ways" or "It was a test from God".
I used to tell those types of people that gay, Trans etc was a test. Except it's not the gay and trans people being tested. And they failed.
Yeah. It's like doctors ; they really love it when people thank God for saving a patient. Usually it's the dumbass family but it's really a special moment when it's the dumbass patient themselves.
What's our opinion on thanking God for blessing doctors with the talent to save your life/lives of others? A bit more empathetic?
(I'm not suggesting this is necessarily my belief, but for those who profess a love for God/Allah/etc, I think it is fair to both thank the creator they believe in as well as the people who work on them on earth).
"it" is crazy work lmao
They probably blame the devil for putting them in the situation.
Who else are they gonna pray to? Joe Pesci?
The FAA obviously
The air traffic controllers that didn't get paid for the last while
Well, he looks like a guy that can get things done!
Odin, Amun-Ra, Perun, Sol Invictis, Jupitor, Zeus, Vishnu, Deified Alexander of Macedonia, Et cetera there are lots of gods outside of fucken Yahweh to choose from.
I'd only pray to Odin if I was worried about frost giants.
Considering I haven't seen any frost giants lately, I think Odin is doing a great job!
This dude didn't play God of War 2: Daddy Issues
This mfer has never heard of selection bias.
What are the bets they're in the US, and hearing about crashes mostly in the US?
Christianity may be the largest religion in the world, but it's a plurality, not a majority.
There's a bias for everything. Maybe even one that contradicts the bias you're precipitating. I dunno. Whatever
I dunno, seems pretty rock solid that the majority of people aren't praying to the Christian god [edit: worldwide, which is my point], seeing as nowhere even close to a majority of people on earth are Christian.
There are all sorts of religions out there, and many who don't believe in religion at all.
I do agree that all humans are prone to bias, that's why it's so important to be aware of it in order to mitigate it.
The OOP making some stupid religious claims, definitely is not aware.
Same for the other side. All the countless times where God miraculously saves the plane in the last moment lost to history. No news report, no one will check the black box. It's just another Tuesday
Surely if it was a miracle there'd be some supernatural residue left over. Holy ectoplasm.
The absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence
Isnt it though? If i say i own a car but never carry car keys, my home has no garage or on-street parking spot, that is evidence that i dont own a car.
There are also the records in countries that have vehicle registration...
There's a complete absence of evidence for everything you can just make up.
I claim that the universe was created by Ralph the Wonderllama who lives on Proxima Centauri B and who owns all albums by Simply Red.
But hey, no evidence of absence, right? So my claim is valid, right? And you suddenly don't care how unlikely it is, right?
And I respect that belief
Yeah but respect isn't proof, and you're the one that made the assertion requiring evidence here...
And I respect that you are critical of what I said! We need critics to grow. A critical mind is a gift of God
Wow thats deep
(dunno if you're being sarcastic)
It's just a twee catchphrase christians came up with to say you can't prove a negative. It's not anything new, and it's not actually contributing anything. It's a core aspect of "burden of proof", and this is just a way of shifting said burden to the people asking for evidence of the divine instead of leaving it on the people asserting that the divine exists in the first place.
Thanks.
Yes, but absence of evidence isn't evidence for anything.
It's wild how many need to find them some scientific method.
I was only pointing out, in my original comment, that I'm sure around the world people pray/say all sorts of things when a plane is crashing, not just the Christian god. But because they're only focusing on crashes in the US, they are concluding that everyone prays to god (presumably, the Christian one).
so you didn't know which god saved them either. It could be the flying spaghetti monster. (note the existence of this religion is literally based on your statement)
Neither do you.
That's demonstrably false. I made my statement yesterday and religions exist for way over 70 years. Destroyed by pure logic. Checkmate atheist.
If you want to know what really starts religions, check out Daniel O. McClellan's book "YHWH divine images" chapter 2. You find the PDF for free just by searching the title.
Yes, but importantly you can't demonstrate that it was a god that saved them. We'll deal with the issue of which one it was once we get past that first problem.
Er... Well, this seems like a great opportunity for you to prove that. Though I suspect you misunderstood the initial comment here.
why is this being downvoted
It's because they missed the point of my comment. That it's selection bias to claim that everyone is praying to the Christian god, when statistically, that can't be true, even if they are praying.
The selection bias had nothing to do with selecting the planes that crashed, but selecting planes that crashed in the US, which is a much more Christian country than many other places.
That said, OOP's argument wasn't that their god is real but that deep down, everyone is religious. Still they made it into a truth claim about their religion. The commenter took the truth claim and ran with it.
I thought about putting "/s" in my first comment but it didn't feel quite right. It was more a thought experiment. Applying selection bias to the reply. It was only the second comment when I entered troll mode.
Insert inception bwwwwaoww
Because there is no magic sky magician letting kids die a gruesome leukemia death, while saving a specific plane because a special favorite person of his happens to be on board the aircraft. There's just physics and mechanics and pilots and things going right and things going wrong.
The comment is obviously sarcasm / a joke
Making the sarcastic statement that "we don't hear about god saving planes at the last moment but it does happen"
That person has gone on to repeatedly double down on the position elsewhere in the comments, I'm afraid to say the hivemind was right on this one and they sure appear to be a whackdoodle that actually believes what they said there.
Because of Poe's Law. Sometimes I try to make my intentions obvious but sometimes I just don't care
Did you mean Poe's Law? That would imply you only made the claim about divine selection bias sarcastically, and we all just thought you were being serious.
I meant what I said and I said Poe's Law. I don't understand your question.
And I didn't mean that god selects. I meant that we only talk about those who crash. It was a thought experiment
A sarcastic thought experiment, then?
"Are all our prayers answered? Yes, they are. What people who ask that question often don’t realize is that sometimes the answer to our prayer is "no." Dear God, please make my mother not be crazy. God’s answer: no. Dear God, please let me recover from cancer. God’s answer: no. Dear God, please take away this toothache. God’s answer: alright, but you’re going to be run over by a car."
-Christopher Durang
Sister Mary Ignatius Explains It All For You
What's the difference between "no" and no answer?
Well, she clearly states that God never gives no answer. You see, God is omniscient. He knows what you have prayed for and you, by knowing that he is omniscient, know that He knows. Thus, if you don't get what you have prayed for then you can safely assume, despite God not explicitly stating as such, that His answer is no.
Lazy worldbuilding be like.
Which leads us to asking how can you tell the difference between God answering and things that would have happened anyway...
Ok it's funny but black box doesn't record audio from the cabin. Pretty sure it just has like flight data. From the airplane sensors. And logs of actions. ?
That's what satanic media wants you to think. But actually, everyone on a plane has a microphone and all the audio goes directly to the big black cube in the middle, to be recorded and stored forever.
They ask you to stow the tray if something happens because the microphone is on the underside of the tray and hears you better that way
that makes sense
That plus pilots' mics.
"Black box" usually refers to both the Flight Data Recorder and the Cockpit Voice Recorder as a nebulous whole - some FDRs are also configured to record pilot mics as well but that's not standard.
Satanic media, how old is this?
IDK. I've been unironically referring to LLMs as "the Devil's machine" or simply "The Devil" lately. :D
I mean, if you use them, they do steal your soul, so it checks out.
It's 2025, mister
Hail Satan!
Hail yourself
You're right! If it was today, they'd call it Woke Media.
The asiana crash was in like 2016 or so?
Actually, I've seen a compilation of plane crash last recordings, and literally all of them are pilots screaming at each other to maneuver and/or cursing at the top of their lungs.
What's hilarious is proof that religious propaganda is wrong is always extremely easy to find. Yet your dipshit demented christian grandparents or parents will regurgitate that trash non-stop anyway.
Is that the same god who chose pedo Antoinette the horse dick sucking Russian traitor?
It's a non-denominational "generic" type god.
Gnostics believe that YHWH is a lower, malevolent being that plays an antagonistic part to the Supreme Being who is unknowable
So, El? That sounds an awful lot like the Canaanite mythology that Judaism sprung from. Yahweh was just a hotheaded war & storm god in a wide pantheon headed by El.
The ones who prayed to Satan were saved.
Either prayers don't work, or they make god super duper angry.
Ever read the Bible? God is a sadistic, genocidal monster. He probably laughs at plane crashes.
https://www.planecrashinfo.com/lastwords.htm
Well that looks like an interesting link that I will never click on. Don't feel like crying today, thanks.
There were some things that could be interpreted as prayers, but the vast majority were not.
Ngl some are kinda funny. Only a handful seem to be related to a God tho.
"Uh... Where are we."
"Pete, sorry" and "I love you, Amy" are just so raw
I counted and only 3 guys mentioned God.
tag yourself I'm the "Oh shit, this can't be!" and the "That's it, I'm dead" guys
Isn't there one whose final words are "ruh-roh raggy?"
That was the El Faro, a ship lost with all hands due to improper maintenance and poor decisions made by the captain. Lots of sailors from Maine were aboard.
El Faro VDR Audio Transcript 8510451 ver1 0 | DocumentCloud https://share.google/ssY87GllAqZqADCuF
I hate my phone for making share.google links, but that's the transcript, pg339 for shaggy
I'd hedge my bets too if I knew I had mere minutes to live. I stand to lose nothing and I gain comfort at the end, regardless of whether or not I am rewarded with some kind of afterlife.
Unless you pray to the wrong entity and suddenly don't pass the "good person test" of whatever entity judges you.
If being a good person isn't enough and worship is a must, you got a shitty God.
Couldn't agree more. That's generally the philosophy I live by.
I've been in a situation where I thought I might well die, and this point of view flitted across my mind, as it is bound to do. Followed immediately by the certainty that this would be the most wretched, hypocritical and worthless way to spend my final moments. If I had no survival strategies to consider or ways to contact my loved ones, I'd rather spend the time looking out the window and admiring the view.
They do know that a lot of black box voice recordings are public right? Or does she believe they are edited?
A lot of publicly available ones are indeed cut to preserve the dignity of the deceased. If it's not safety or causal-related, they remove stuff fairly frequently.
There are plenty of places you can find dredged up, un-edited versions and there's a lot more cursing involved, among other things like personal messages to loved ones.
Since final reports are usually public, someone with enough time could go check.
Are you telling me that there are public unedited black box recordings? Because that sounds like something that would not be made public.
You are correct. The public only receives written transcripts of the relevant sections of tape only. Off-topic conversations, meaning anything that is not relevant to the air accident, are not released. The audio files are not released to the public.
So the satanic government must be hiding the prayers to satan that all pilots are required to do by the satanic FAA!
And since prayer is not relevant to the air accident ...
The very last words are often relevant to explaining the sequence. They are often "oh shit!" or equivalent as the ground appears in front of them. It can help tell the difference between a flight crew that knew what was going on but couldn't fix it and one which lost situational awareness
Like the flight where the pilots got lost above Kathmandu and flew right into a cliff like driving into a wall.
(I saw an Air Disasters/Mayday/Air Crash Investigation episode about that one years ago and it really stuck with me. Recently Mentour Pilot did a good episode about it.)
I get all my air accident info from Mentour Pilot these days :)
He does such a good job. I wish he’d be a bit less clickbait-y, but I understand private equity investment means he kinda has to play the game, like many other very good YouTube channels (Veritasium springs to mind).
A quick search shows that at least two Federal agencies are involved [FAA and NTSB] in any investigation. You could probably do a Freedom of Information Act search.
The usual process is to release an edited version.
I'd think that unless there was a compelling reason, like an allegation that the pilot deliberately crashed the plane, they'd respect the crews privacy.
Yeah, there was a website that had all the unedited transcripts and some recordings from crashes. I don't think I remember reading any real prayers, that's unless you count something like "oh God, oh god" as a prayer. Mainly just a lot of swearing and a mix of panicked or resigned statements. Most are just a couple sentences long, seems like most crashes go from fine to catastrophic very quickly.
Only relevant sections are published, but I'm sure that's plenty of material to draw a decent sample.
Doing my morning walk through the churches in my neighborhood and there's two old churches side by side, both rocking out, one sort of blues riffs, one a little more traditional rock. And as I often do, I stood for a moment taking it in - this is the Southern culture I think is fascinating and rich and... then I realize the blues one is now just doing a call and refrain "I don't need no - evidence" over and over, and my dog's like "let's get the fuck out of here" and so we did.
But it's cute for a second if you don't try to focus in on it. This is how religion should be taken in, and then hustle your ass along.
Does 'Oh, fuuucckkk!' count as a prayer?
No, because that is an expression of acceptance.
Praying is at the "negotiation" stage of coping with impending doom.
Only for the purpose of posthumous Mormon baptism.
One Dot = One Prayer
You're supposed to pre pray before you get on the plane.
I believe god is omnipotent and omniscient so I just prayed once for a good and healthy life. To pray often is to doubt god's power. I don't wanna out god in a box like that. Plus god has a divine plan that is obviously unable to be altered so why should we interject our own opinions into it? Seems like hubris to me.
yeah i'm sure that would stop the plane from crashing.
As long as one person on board prays, the flight arrives safely. The plane that prays together stays together.
The problem is, everyone's praying to God, you gotta pray to Cthulhu, that motherfuckers got your back.
No one laughs at god in a hospital. No one laughs at god in a war..
We are laughing at your dumb post because it references satan, as if satan, a demigod, needs a news channel to trick you into defying an omnipotent god.
Meme or not, but it surely got me uneasy how people behave when they know they are just about to die.
Guess nobody other than a Christian has ever been in a plane. Or maybe only Christians get in plane crashes because the others have prayers that work?
Aka „we have the most followers, our speak must be truth”