Ukraine offered “Kremlin peace plan”: Halve armed forces, cede territories, abandon weapons, accept Russian as official language
Kyiv has been offered a “Kremlin peace plan” under the guise of negotiations. The US and Russia have reportedly prepared a peace plan for Ukraine that would involve Kyiv meeting the Kremlin’s maximalist demands, says Christopher Miller, a correspondent for the Financial Times.
At the same time, Reuters sources report that the US indicated to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy that Kyiv should accept Washington-prepared frameworks for ending the war with Russia. It remains unclear what security guarantees would be given for Kyiv, as there is no evidence that the Kremlin has abandoned its imperial ambitions.
Earlier, Axios wrote that Washington and Moscow were discussing a new peace plan to end Russia’s war against Ukraine.
https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/11/19/ukraine-offered-kremlin-peace-plan-halve-armed-forces-cede-territories-abandon-weapons-accept-russian-as-official-language/Open linkView original on lemmy.world349
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Fundamentally unserious "just admit defeat" type of offering. The real signal is that the US is still a painfully unreliable ally.
The US is a shit stain on the world stage.
The same type of plan the west and in fact China and Russia back up for palestinians. Both Ukraine and Palestine should not give up a single inch of land to the occupiers and desfinitely not surrended armed resistance
God damn right.
True, even the democrats would rather lose the election than to criticise israel
And yet, for being so painfully unreliable, especially with the ruling parties flip-flopping back and forth so much, USA aid is still sought after. 🙄
I imagine as Zelensky has said so many times before, Ukraine won't cede shit. Hopefully, he tells them both to go kick rocks.
It's like Smeagol/Gollum. You might need them for certain shit, but you know it's going to end in tears.
Why wouldn't Ukraine take anything the US is willing to give? Worst case scenario, they don't give anything and you're in the same place you started.
The United States is still an ally to Ukraine. Our mistake of a President is a criminal and an ally to no one but himself. Even that is a stretch.
That explains a lot. Basically "reward the aggressor" and "prevent any possibility for future armed resistance"
Also “create a news event that will make Trump look like he’s accomplished something,” non matter how meaningless it is on the ground.
Zelenskyy better say thank you!
So basically, allow the invaders to invade your country without resistance?
And then wait for them to do it again in about 10 years to grab for even more. It's not a peace plan, it's surrender.
"Make Russian your official language!"
10 Years Later
"We must invade and claim territory, the majority of the population speaks Russian so obviously it's already Russia"
More: "Make this retroactively legal so we can avoid war crime trials and damages".
Yes, but under the promise that you won't be under any kind of protection if it happens again in a few years.
"You can have peace. Just surrender to our rule!"
Reminder that bullying exists from the school yard all the way to international politics.
That's because the bullies never matured past the school yard.
Putin just keeps grabbing us by the Trump.
I for one prefer full scale war than this.
SLAVA UKRAINI!
Let me guess, you aren't personally at risk of being kidnapped off the street and sent to the front lines as drone fodder.
I apologize, but I currently have no time to indulge in futile discussions with .ml russian bots.
Try with someone else, thanks.
Based db0 not standing for tankies!
We generally don’t want to defederate .ml, except when they post anything, or comment on anything, or vote on anything. It’s just those times that we think about it.
Other people are already going to war and more will until we don't delete fascists from the planet.
Those other people are risking their lives because they were invaded by a foreign country.
Also I'm completely useless to them since I have never used a weapon.
Still, I would gladly go to war with all EU if needed, against Russia or whoever, just so the future generations can sit on their computers while dealing with online idiots like yourself.
It was not Ukraine's idea to go to war.
You know you can go enlist, right?
I think what you meant to say was,
Despite the fact that,
https://news.gallup.com/poll/693203/ukrainian-support-war-effort-collapses.aspx
Edit: grammar
Putin's nut moisteners arriving right on time.
Oh look, another .ml bot, how unsurprising.
See my answer to your comrade. Bye.
No he does not. You need well formulated questions if you want good answers in a poll. If you asked "would you prefer we give up fortified front line territory and forcibly halved our army in exchange for ceasefire?" you would not get that percentage.
They are sick and tired of this war, no question about that. But this war is existential. Russia does not acknowledge Ukrainian as a real language and culture. Everyone knows Russia would attack again. Ukraine has no choice but to defend themselves.
Oh, my sweet summer child...
I usually hate that comment. But when it's for .ml with idiot takes, I'm all for it
I don't see the usefulness of responding to bots.
What is it with yall refusing to believe any opposing viewpoints are organic?
Those 69% of Ukranians who want to end the war via negotiation - are they Russian bots as well?
The fact that they want the war to end doesn't mean they want to surrender.
Your cherry picked data means nothing, like your opinion.
I know... I know... It's hard to hear but try not to cry if you can...
How does this follow or relate to anything we've discussed so far?
It simply completely nullifies your cherry picking.
These polls are so bad. It's like asking "would you like peace?". Ukranians know perfectly well what would happen to them and their relatives if they lost the war. Fighting a war SUCKS but it was not their choice to go to war. It was not their choice to get terror-bombed every single night.
It's actually not like that at all. It's actually pretty simple:
You know you are free to go join the Russian army and go kill innocent families and kidnap children for Russia's war if you are so enthusiastic about sucking Putin's dick right?
Maybe you can cede your home and all your possessions to Putin? You realize that is what you are defending right?
Nope, it's actually a simple question:
Do you think the Ukrainian common people should be the primary agents in determining whether or not to continue combat?
No shit people don't wanna die in a war.
The alternative is fascists rule the world. It sucks but the shittiest people in the world have the most power in the world.
That only changes if people fight which is why it is important that the world stand with Ukraine against Putin and the fascists of this world.
And there's the rub. You can't just stick your fingers in your ears when Ukrainians are aiming to end combat and pursue negotiations, and then turn around and say you are "standing with Ukraine".
Put simply: to stand with Ukraine means to affirm the hopes and agency of common Ukrainians - which is definitively not what you're doing.
Consider this thought experiment:
In 5 years, supposing the grueling combat has continued, and 95% of Ukrainians definitively and undoubtedly wish to end combat, is it really "standing with Ukraine" if you reject this number and insist they continue to fight to "save the world from fascism" while you yourself have not enlisted?
Only thing you enlisted in is ribs night at Golden Corral.
Tell us you're from .ml without telling us.
how much they pay you comrade? or is it more like "if you post our propaganda we'll give you a new rug to hang on your wall and more vodka to feed you and your families wet brains. Also here's a new adidas track suit so you can go squat in."
.ml moment
Do you have the a comparable stat from Russia?
Stupid title made it sound like Ukraine made the offer.
I'm trying to figure out if that was intentional, or they're just really fucking bad at their job.
When will someone explain to Donald that Russia only respects power. Always has always will.
Slap them hard enough and often enough and THEN negotiate.
Maybe a tomahawk to one of Putins personal villas?
Trump admires this. He doesnt see Putin as an enemy, but an inspiration. Same reason MBS was welcomed the way he was at the White House, while people like Zelenskyy are mocked and scolded when they arrive.
I can hear Zelenskyy laughing from here
“Oh wait you’re serious let me laugh harder” - Zelenskyy, pribably
Every month I buy a field med kit for Ukraine through White Stork. I am so sorry about Trump, Ukraine. So utterly sorry.
Don't forget a big part of the deal: Putin won't show pictures of Trump sucking off Bubba.
As if AI can't do that already. Nobody on either side will believe anything offered as evidence, because it's just so easy to fake. He'll never suffer any consequences for his lifetime of criminality and lies.
Creating photos that will actually pass real scrutiny hasn't happened yet. That's why. Can it fool the general populace who would look at it for no more than 1 second? Sure. But that's a low bar.
Trump has already released all sorts of fake photos, and as with his words, it doesn't matter if it's true or not, the purpose is only to influence or fool the target audience for just long enough for them to dismiss reality.
Yeah, why hasn't anyone made this already actually?
Don't forget, he's doing the Hitler playbook 1:1. And Hitler did one thing good: he killed Hitler. Just saying, there's still hope.
LOL
Does anyone think Ukraine is going to roll over for trump?
Vlad and Donnie don’t know peace, they only know vassals
How is the orange cancer telling Zelenskyy what Putin told him to say with that Russian dick in his mouth?
US is the new USSR.
It's going to collapse about the same way soon enough too.
Balkanization of the us should be interesting to watch.
I keep hoping for it!
What the hell do you even mean by this? In what way is it acting not like it always has?
US sees their cementing the occupation in Palestine and wants to do the same here.