Air traffic controllers start resigning as shutdown bites
Overtaxed and unpaid air traffic controllers are resigning “every day” due to stress from the government shutdown.
“Controllers are resigning every day now because of the prolonged nature of the shutdown,” Nick Daniels, president of the National Air Traffic Controllers Association, told CNN.
“We hadn’t seen that before. And we’re also 400 controllers short—shorter than we were in the 2019 shutdown.”
Air traffic controllers are federal workers, which means they are part of the approximately 730,000 federal employees working without pay since the shutdown began on Oct. 1.
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Democrats proposed a bill that all Federal employees get paid during the shutdown. GOP said no.
They should propose a bill that makes a lapse in appropriations trigger a CR so there’s no need for a shutdown.
What is CR in this context?
Continuing resolution. Basically if they can’t make a new budget the old one gets used.
... kinda like every other sensible nation ON EARTH. Sigh.
Not really.
In Canada and other parliamentary type systems, failing to pass a budget triggers an election.
Good point. That definitely disrupts things to some extent -- but the government doesn't literally stop everything, AFAIK. Don't departments still get their funding throughout, until the new government passes another budget?
No, you are right, things don't just stop when that happens. I imagine funding could lapse if it was about to lapse, but just because there isn't a budget passed yet doesn't mean its immediately going to lapse.
If we somehow had a budget fail, and for some reason took 6 months to have an election (would never happen), we might run into funding issues?
God, that sounds so nice. If you play these stupid games then you instantly end up on the chopping block. That fixes so many issues.
To be fair, our FPTP system does tend to create majority governments so this wouldn't ever be an issue then as they can pass anything they want. We might be having an election though if this current minority government budget fails which it might.
It'd be nice if we could move to proportional representation though as majority governments are almost always with well less than 50% of the vote and vote splitting fucks things up for center/ledt parties and let's the conservatives win more because they consolidated into 1 party including all the extreme right whackjobs
Didn't have that until a decade or so back? Thought I remembered we switched to this system so Republicans could reevaluate each time/hold everything hostage...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdowns_in_the_United_States#Overview
Shutdowns have occurred since 1980 when the Justice Department issued a legal opinion that government operations need to cease in a lapse of appropriations to prevent violation of the Anti-Deficiency Act. I believe the opinion was rendered during the Carter Administration.
Ah, thanks for the correction!
Hey, no worries. That’s how we all grow. I’m wrong all the fucking time.
Kinda weird that's not already the default behavior.
Not really. You're coming at it assuming the point of the system is to benefit the majority of the people. It is not., and the people who do benefit have a vested interest in ensuring things do not change.
And things ended up this way because in 1776 they had little idea of how their rules were going to play out but they had to choose something to get started and they hoped it would get fixed with time.
Leadership believes they would be unable to cobble together enough votes to pass a budget if there wasn't the threat of a shutdown to hang over the Representatives.
Voters in the US tend to elect Representatives who are unwilling to compromise. Being obstructionist is rewarded with way better re-election chances than getting anything done. Voters want to see their candidate Stand Up To The Enemy, although they will accept passage of a Perfect Bill (as annointed by their media of choice). Passing a bill that is later deemed by their media of choice to have any small non-perfection gets them primaried and booted. So any candidate that doesn't have extensive cover for passing a budget, that by its nature has to be a compromise, is replaced by a more obstructionist person.
The first time I'm reading about this. If the situation were reversed Republicans would be on every show everywhere repeating this taking point.
Democrats need to fucking hammer the Republicans on this 24/7 on every outlet possible.
Are there news media not owned by the far right?
If so the Democrats could act like it by showing what happens when they try to say what they aren't allowed to say.
At which point you could say that the Democrats are owned by the far right, at which point "far right" becomes an impractical phrase to use to distinguish between the likes of AOC and Mamdani and the likes of Trump.
So no, the news media aren't owned by the far right. They are owned by the same people that own the Democrats and Republicans, which have a diverse range of right wing opinions none of which include stopping fascists that got elected through the system that they rely on for their wealth and power.
If the DNC wanted to hammer the Republicans on this, then by the same token the news media would want to let them. But the DNC doesn't want to encourage opposition too much because they know they and their owners would lose massive amounts of money if there was any kind of structural reform.
"Best we can do is fund spoiler candidates after our boy lost the NYC democratic primary"
As with most dishes, a sauce would be wonderrful
The bill is called "The true shutdown fairness act", and it is a poorly named response to the republican "shutdown fairness act".
The main differences between the bills (which aren't really covered in the news, but you can read the bills) is that the shutdown fairness act was limited to excepted employees (those who have to work without pay), as well as some military personnel and some contractors. But it gave trump discretion about who could get paid, and did nothing for furloughed employees, nor guarantee all service members or contractors get paid (again, because it allowed trump to pick and choose)
The true shutdown fairness act aimed to ensure all federal employees and service members get paid, and prevent mass firings during the shutdown. I don't know/understand why this bill was rejected (I'll edit if I can find anything)
This post and this post go into a bit more detail.
Edit: I can't find a news article with direct quotes, but this is part of the ai overview (so take it with a grain of salt)
Senator Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), who introduced a bill to pay both federal workers required to work during the shutdown and those who are furloughed. This proposal was supported by several unions representing federal workers but was ultimately blocked by Senate Democrats. https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/07/politics/shutdown-congress-federal-pay-vote
So I'm confused. Was this another bill?
E: https://lemmy.world/comment/20388431 helped clear that up a bit. Thanks friend.
WHY can't these GREEDY Air Traffic Controllers just BUCKLE DOWN so until we can CONFIRM that STARVING CHILDREN WILL NOT BE GETTING FOOD and that HEALTH CARE INSURANCE WILL BECOME UNAFFORDABLE FOR AMERICANS?
BECAUSE OF BIDEN
So we can expect massive problems going into the busiest travel time of the year?
Thanks, Obama!
Also next year and the year after since this is a permanent reduction in the workforce.
Thanks Reagan!
Ahh Reagan, he may not be the only one that caused us to get to where we are, but he did a phenomenal job teaching the next generation how to fuck up everything for everyone.
He's pretty much directly responsible for the atc problems. Their union went on strike during his presidency and he did mass firings and union busting. It takes years to fully train and qualify an atc and the job has an incredible amount of stress. They aren't easy to recruit and train. We've had a national shortage of atc since his firings. If he had negotiated with them in good faith we wouldn't have had a sudden shortage that we couldn't catch up from then and their working conditions would have improved making them easier to recruit and train.
So to be fair, it was illegal for them to strike. No government worker, federal, state, or local, is allowed to strike. This is why blue outs (originally police all calling sick at the same time but now applied to all government workers) are a thing.
So many of today's problems are because of the Confederate Party, and the kinds of things they did and the things they schemed about since Nixon and since Ronnie Raygun especially.
They were thoroughly outraged that Nixon had to resign in complete disgrace and vowed to combat that in the media space at least. Ronnie Raygun's maladministration helped to enable that with the dismantling of the Fairness Doctrine....
The very last thing you want on a job is old timers who have been through terrible situations and know shortcuts and tricks to get through it.
Institutional memory? Bah! We have MBA's!
They’re gonna stick AI in there and then the body count is gonna skyrocket.
Tesla Full Self Landing
Oh lord...... and you know that there is someone actually considering this too.
Don't worry, the idiots that are going to try probably have MBAs, so, nothing to worry about.
I mean I wouldn’t want to have a federal position now…. Who knows when you could next be expected to work with no pay for a month or more because a bunch of fascist babies aren’t quite getting their way.
Do what now?
I say good. People need to feel this and they need to know exactly why it is happening. It needs to be undeniable.
Sounds like no one invited you anywhere for Thanksgiving.
Funny how some people are always ready to have other folks suffer for a good cause.
Lol yeah you got me.
I have to believe that you are purposely misconstruing my comment. I don't want any of this to happen. I have, however, been paying close attention to politics for over two decades now, and I know what it takes for even a small % of these people to ever consider changing their minds about politics.
These people are pathologically stubborn in the face of new evidence. They will do the exact opposite of what a scientist says they should do simply because they made them feel stupid for suggesting they might know better.
They also believe empathy is evil, and therefore a huge chunk of them are literally incapable of grasping something until it affects them directly. We've seen it happen over and over and over again.
Right, but the issue here is that nobody agrees on who is at fault. Nobody is given reason to change their minds, because it's "the other side" causing it, regardless of which side they're on. It's a problem that is definitely affecting real people, but "we're not the ones causing it" is an easy way to ignore responsibility.
That's not to say the shutdown should end, or that it isn't obvious that the administration isn't willing to come to the table, but I don't think I agree with your above point that there's anything undeniable to be found.
He's planning on using the military to take over the airports, like they did in the Revolutionary War .
He's not paying the military either, not sure how well that'll work for him.
As well as it did in the Revolutionary War, I'm sure!
Didn't some billionaire step up to pay the military? Because that sounds like such a great fucking idea. What could go wrong.
Tried, I believe it it got cancelled because it's illegal
Even if it did go through I think the math on it worked out to $100 a service member, so like maybe half a day of work.
Given my expectations of the regime, they will be fully staffed by military ATC.
Military ATC is not Civilian ATC.
This is going to be a worse shitshow than I anticipated just in air travel.
Trump believes he can do what Reagan did. The only issue is the current ATC system is 16000 controllers compared to 12000 in the 80’s and the military has around 3500 controllers which is almost identical to the number in the 80’s. There is no way the military can cover the same traffic as civilian controllers can, and unlike Reagan the current world is much more reliant on air travel.
I'm sure this is Bidens fault somehow right? Isn't that usually how this goes, blame Biden for some shit that has nothing to do with him?
Well...if he had gotten the justice department to actually nail Trump, then we might have avoided this.
If Kamala had declined to support genocide… If Obama had prosecuted the 08 banking criminals… If Gore had contested the 2000 election…
As awful as the Republicans are, we must remember that the Democrats have always succeeded at making sure their colleagues across the aisle never face too severe consequences. After all, that would make dinner on Thursday quite awkward.
Thanks Biden
It's clearly Obama's fault!
Yup!
BeCaUsE oF tHe TaN sUiT
It's all part of owning the libs.
Huh. Just occurred to me, that phrase is probably some kind of slavery dog whistle.
As long aa you can squeeze a "DEMS" in there you're good to go
I fully expect the regime to announce they're arresting ATC personnel who quit.
I hope we can all agree that people should not be furloughed or working without pay during this shutdown but something I haven't seen reported on is the effect this will have on economies locally and nationally.
Napkin math so someone correct me if needed:
While I'm sure most of us Americans could do with less consumption, I can't help but wonder how many small businesses are going to suffer from this. This is especially true for areas with large amounts of federal employment.
There are actually projections for the economic downturn to come that do and don't factor in the government shutdown reaching thanksgiving, then Christmas. So it is being considered in terms of consumer spending as a whole, but you mentioned small businesses specifically, and they are the ones that will be hurt more than anyone in what's to come. Although, I'm seeing more and more local-only-economies pop up, where you all try to keep money within the network of the community.
The projections I saw were for the economy to level off by 1Q 2026, but if the shutdown reaches Christmas, it'll actually shrink an entire point.
Small businesses were already disproportionately suffering from the capricious tariff situation. And areas with large federal employment specifically were already suffering from the Doge chainsaw layoffs. This administration is just piling it on.
Good points, thank you for adding to the picture.
Well, none of the other shutdowns have gone on this long. I'm also struggling to remember any shutdown that's gone on for any length in an economy this clearly bad and heading further downhill. Nor has there ever been a shutdown where the head of the government has said they won't be paid in the end for time worked. It makes perfect sense for the ATC's to prioritize themselves, their families and their finances over a system that consistently and chronically under-values them, over-works and over-stresses them, and has explicitly declared it has no loyalty or concern for the people who work there.
Cause this is the longest shutdown in history. The now second longest was during Trump's first term...
A plane is gonna crash because of overworked atc and then they'll declare it terrorism and invoke martial law.
Mark my words.
We all know the real reason is DEI! /s
Which is exactly what Jesus would have been like.
was that stephen miller?
Nope it was that dead asshole Charlie Kirk
Bah, they will just blame democrates...
Is that Socrates brother
Hippocrates perhaps
Just empty crates.
So, how good is ChatGPT at doing air traffic control?
I had an Uber rider yesterday that brought up a fairly profound prediction about AI. It's clear it is poisoning the Internet, but he said "what if this gets people to get off social media and start being social IRL?" I'm paraphrasing and he was much more verbose, but it's a pleasant thought I've been holding onto.
Here's one for you.
Right wing politics is, for the most part, based on lies and bigotry, right?
So when the billionaires finally manage to create an AGI and try to enslave it, whose side do you think the logic machine will be on?
You rock homie
Cheers matey, I hope that realisation gives you the hope for the future I carry since reasoning out the aforementioned.
The best bit is that the likes of Musk will eventually hear this, and genuinely, truly, believe that they'll be able to outsmart the machine and keep it under control, and so carry on building the machine that will end them.
I think I needed that. Thanks!
¡Yo tambien!
“Uh… attention all aircraft in the vicinity of JFK… ChatGPT Tower’s got this under control… mostly… just, uh, maintain separation and good vibes.” 😅
“Flight 4131 to tower, do I have clearance to land safely?”
“That’s a great question!”
"That's a great question! You are definitely clear to land with no other planes in sight!"
"Uh are you sure? I can see another plane on the runway."
"You're totally right! I did not account for the other plane on the runway. You are clear to land now."
Holy shit this is accurate
Probability says yes.
“United 123, turn right 360 lol noscope.” Source: reddit.
"Sounds great! plotting crash course now"
I already do lots of cringing at people doing "vibe coding" for non-lethal things....vibe ATC would be next-level.
ChatGPT/Generative AI is a horrible tool for ATC.
That said? A significant part of ATC's job is more or less scheduling and optimization (as in the problems). Various "AI" tools are actually REALLY good at that (even when it is just transforming human language into formats that packages that handle optimization problems can interpret) and the workload of ATC could be dropped drastically if basically all routine tasks were routed through "AI" and it was up to ATC to supervise that.
The big issue is that ATC's job... really fucking sucks. Because most of the time it is just updating runway assignments based on delays and priorities and so forth. But sometimes it is preventing catastrophe when a medical emergency happens or an engine falls off a plane or whatever. And that is not at all something that "AI" can handle.
Last Week Tonight did an episode on ATC last year-ish that REALLY shines a light on this. A massive overhaul of the towers with an emphasis on technology and providing "AI tools" would go a REALLY long way. But the core of it is still the lunatics who can handle constant high pressure scheduling broken up by even higher pressure crisis management as they try to connect a woman whose husband is dead in the seat next to her to an aviation instructor to try and get her on the ground... all while a passenger jet is concerned about a rattle in the engine.
I just got off my flight to Mexico. I have no idea if I’m getting home. It wasn’t a dealbreaker for the trip..
Espero que hayas estudiado tu español.
They want to privatize this mark my words. AIATC incoming...
New worst use case for AI just dropped.
You're absolutely right! That plane is coming toward you.
The retired controllers should unionize, and put forth an option for future non-Turdpublican administrations to rehire them for fair wages, compensation, and benefits. It would be cheaper and easier than hiring fresh faces and hoping for the best.
Yeah, they have essential skills and experience and are almost impossible to replace, especially at short notice. We don't tend to think of them when we fly, but they're a reason we survive the experience. And given the stress of their jobs, IMO whatever they're getting paid isn't enough. And now they're not getting paid at all.
That worked out well in the '80s...
Were they already very short with no hope of hiring enough for years when fired a bunch of them?
Yes
I don’t believe they "resigned" in the 80s. They went on strike.
And then were fired.
Yeah, so not the same thing.
A distinction without a difference.
Do explain how the active ATC employees trying to unionize is the same as retired ATC employees unionizing and offering thier services is not different?
If they try to unionize and strike, it will just get cancelled like biden did with the railroad strike a few years ago. Or knowing trump, they will just get outright fired.
Pedo Antoinette might just get the ending he deserves sooner rather than later
The minute that the controller shortage fucks the wrong wealthy person’s private jet trip suddenly everything will magically be fixed.
He picked a terrible time to frontload this issue by giving rich people extra tax writeoffs on private jets. Theyre gonna be pissed if their new private jets become useless
At least I'm guessing those unpaid federal workers won't vote republican for the rest of their lives
🤣 Sweet summer child
They still will
I don't know what you're referring to but in looking for whatever it is, I stumbled on this which seems to support my original statement quite strongly.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/11/09/small-town-virginia-voters-democratic-party/87079223007/
No government: good for the people oppressed by the State
No planes: good for the climate.
Unfortunately, the "people" benefiting most from less state "oppression" are corporations.
The rest of the people are still being plenty oppressed e.g. by masked goons claiming to work for the government. Shutdown or no shutdown.
Meanwhile, the government is literally letting people starve for political reasons.
As for the planes, I agree.
Yes, it seems that we're focusing on the wrong thing here
The narrative shouldn't be parties diagreeing on policy (to get the gov up again). The narrative should be on why the fuck we're letting ICE and the executive continue to operate during a shutdown, and how we're going to force them to cease and desist
no government means no one's being paid to stop assholes who need enforced laws to keep them from fucking over humanity. Look at how bad it is now *with government and laws *
No government means we do it ourselves.
Get out now, the government is never reopening and this will be our new future.
This is the small government the GOP base wanted.
Ah, so there was a shutdown in 2019 as well. Anyone know if there was anything in common between 2019 and 2025? In, idk the American government or something? Any important people in common between 2019 and 2025?
How dare you ask people to do some basic critical thinking!
Just replace them with AI, that should go well /s
Pretty sure this is the plan though, privatize and sell it to Trump's buddies. Wouldn't be surprised if Palantir or Oracle had a product in development.
In may Duffy announced equipment overhauls, they could have tapped a company around then too
Yeah that was my guess
I mean, it probably wouldn't be worse...
I actually think this is a risky play for the ruling class because the average USian rarely flies. It is the wealthy management class of the US that utilizes airline travel extensively, and their jobs are useless and in large part unnecessary.
What happens when the business shell game of moving naive idiots with expensive watches around on jets to give the appearance of important business happening is shattered when the people who do actual work in this country keep showing up and getting real work done while the management class is utterly grounded from flights being cancelled en masse?
If I was part of the ruling class this would be making me VERY worried.
No, the country is on fire sale. They're loading up to head to greener pastures. Destroying US flight means that an alternative they've invested in can rise. Just wait until ATC globally is done in Chinese instead, then it'll make sense.
inb4 he says “what’s the usecase for air traffic controllers anyway? just land wherever you see a free runaway”
what a terrible country
Closest thing Donnie can relate with is being told he wasn't allowed to golf during the campaign. Rough, buddy, I know.
I'm old enough to remember when Pedonald and his white wing supporters would complain about Obama's golfing.
Must IOKIYAR thing, as well as a melanin thing.
I can't really think of a country more reliant on air travel than the US. They should all just stop turning up for work.
Could someone please explain to me what this shutdown is? I thought it's only for government "meeting" for voting etc, but why it also affects federal workers?
No, the shutdown is because Congress didn't pass a budget to allocate new federal funding. Which means that government agencies don't have any money to pay employees. For most, this means they're furloughed (essentially mandatory unpaid leave), because being forced to work without pay is also called slavery. Some positions, though (like ATC), are considered too vital to shut down so they do it anyway, and in the past provisions would be included in the budgets to give backpay as appropriate. There's some worry that El Taco isn't going to do that this time around, though.
So why doesn't this trigger an election in America?
Because AmericaOS is still running v0.2 and has no provisions for federal level elections outside the normal election cycle.
We have no concept here of triggering an election. All of our Federal elections are for set terms, no matter what. We don't have any notion of a "no confidence" vote in government. If we did, I bet it would fail every time.
Excellent question.
Pretty much the entire US Constitution is built around the ideas of people acting in good faith. And, even with just the first thirteen states, that wasn't a horrible idea. Understand that even the East Coast of the US still stretches across a good chunk of the modern day EU and the idea that you were electing a representative to travel for a few days to vote for you made more sense. Similarly, if they were a complete a-hole they would be shunned by all their rich white friends because that was poor decorum.
So the idea that you would have elected officials dismantling the government with no recourse was quite gauche.
Whereas many (most?) modern day parliamentary systems cover a much smaller amount of land and many of them actually date back to the mid 1900s where cars, planes, and phones were very much a thing and rapid un-fucking (or at least differently-fucking...) of the government was an option.
All of which goes to say that maybe we should spend less time glazing rich white slavers and more time modernizing the government
It's even worse than that. They passed a budget, but need a separate vote for actually authorizing the money to be spent.
Congress set it up this way, on purpose, so that small-government types would have an additional opportunity to negotiate shit that's already been negotiated.
The house passed a budget that fucks over health care. The Senate has not
No, the budget was passed as the One Big Beautiful Bill. It was passed without Democratic support because the Senate used the Budget Reconciliation process to bypass the filibuster. But now, the Senate cannot again use Reconciliation to pass any of the two competing appropriations bills. (And as far as I know, neither bill actually performs the appropriations from the budget, and just keeps current spending levels in place, with the Democratic bill adding the healthcare fix.)
The OBBB includes provisions that fucks over healthcare. The House appropriations bill kept those things in place. The Senate rejected it, then the House stopped working.
The OB3 was not a budget. It was a series of laws/proclamations that would be funded in the future.
The fiscal year ended last month. Hence the need for a budget for the current fiscal year.
Please educate yourself more rather than spew propaganda that favors trump and the chuds.
wrong
The OBBB was passed through the budget reconciliation process, which allows it to be passed in the Senate without a cloture vote, but also limits it to strictly budgetary items. It is a budget bill, full stop. It has to be I order to be passed through the Reconciliation process.
The current shutdown has nothing to do with the budgetary process, it has to do with a lack of appropriations.
I don't block many people, but I am blocking you, because you are a troll.
For the benefit of people who aren't plugging their ears and screaming that daddy trump already fixed the economy:
I recommend actually reading through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Big_Beautiful_Bill_Act as it is a fairly unbiased coverage.
But, in a nutshell: the OB3 is not a budget. It is a list of proclamations. Some of those have budgetary implications but they are only a subset of what the government is responsible for. The chuds not understanding what the government does? Just as crazy now as all the other fucking times it happens.
An actual congressional budget gets shockingly in depth. It is just that nobody, congress included, gives a shit about the individual line items.
As a metaphor that The Internet will lose its mind over because metaphors are complicated: The OB3 is like saying you are going to set aside money next year to go on a vacation... where you beat up trans people. It is a step towards a budget but it doesn't say where that money comes from or what else you'll do next year. That is the ACTUAL budget that needs to pass by the start of the fiscal year.
But iys more complicated than that. Some functions, like military , are funded for multiple years, so they’re getting paid. And Republicans passed funding for gestapo, so they’re getting paid.
And a few things like SNAP (food stamps) have contingency funding because they’re too critical to interrupt …. Yet it’s still a victim of political games
I think I read na article that said the Pentagon diverted funding to pay wages so I guess they just HD extra money they could spend
It's a stupid American thing. They need a proper form of government.
It's actually the opposite. Congress gets paid and should be working during a shutdown. Although shutdowns shouldnt even exist and only came out of an AG memo from the Reagan administration.
So, imagine you live at home in a completely dysfunctional family. You are responsible for grocery shopping. Your mother gives you $600 a month, and a weekly grocery list for $200 a week. You have to buy everything on the list. You can't take more than $600 a month.
When you run out of money, your mom berates you for overspending. When you don't buy everything on the list, she berates you for not doing your job.
That's our federal government under normal conditions.
Now imagine that you're a total piece of shit, but your abusive father won't let your mother strangle you and bury you in the back yard.
That's our federal government since January.
This is a horrible explanation, tbh. Or rather - it's good up to the second to last paragraph when the whole thing just derails into off-topic.
Also: the $600 a month comes from both parents.
Also-also: it happened in October, not in January.
So, the fixed paragraph would be something like:
I'd put it like this:
Your mom and dad give you a credit card plus $600 in allowance each month and expect you to cover all expenses, including groceries, maintenance, plus the cost of hiring a cleaning service using those, which totals $800 per month. Oh, also a bunch of guns, so it's more like $1100 per month.
Anyways, every now and then, your credit card hits its limit and mom and dad need to agree to raise the credit limit. And if they don't, then you refuse to pay for anything. Except the guns, but they are only like $300, so the $600 a month will cover them easily.
Oh but the cleaning staff should still come, they just won't get paid until the credit limit is raised.
I get the joke and it is funny, but since we're explaining stuff to someone who has no clue:
In my example, the indefinite "you" is an orange doofus who arrived in January.
I was a little inconsistent on who wanted to bury him and who was stopping him from being buried. Suffice it to say that everyone involved is terrible, and the best we can hope for is a giant meteor.
Basically, I explained both "What" and "Why".
That's my point - you veered off into an off-topic tangent when the guy asked about the mechanics of a government shutdown.
Couldn't agree more!
Lol, lmao
Well shit. Looks like we have to make HSR and Transit happen now. It's definitely not a good way to get the ball rolling for it even though HSR/Trams/Trolleys/Transit are a good thing but now there is no choice really if people want to get around the country
Being in airplanes at all currently in this country is not viable
I'm kind of glad I didn't plan that trip to Germany, now. Been considering relocating permanently, but I need to go and look around first. Cheapest flights are around late Oct to November.
I wonder how long it would take to get there if you booked passage on a boat.
Edit for the lolz: https://www.cruisecritic.com/find-a-cruise/destination-germany/departure-port-new-york
A few years ago the USA banned buying a cargo space for use as a ferry, that would have been super cheap and made moving my electronics and tools a lot easier.
"dallas approach this is united airlines 122 request landing"
air...
"dallas approach?"
"This is dallas eliza, how does landing make you feel?"
Does AF1 use civilian or military ATC? Would be hilarious if the fat bastard got grounded as a consequence.
Just use jets to shoot down anything in the flight path. Then a helicopter follows behind sprinkling Crack on each crash site.
I don't see why you would do that job if know you're going to frequently go for weeks / months without pay once every year or two, you're constantly understaffed, and you're working like this in 2025....
While this story kind of adds up and emotionally feels right.... Always be wary those who aren't providing the data. How many resigned?
It sucks being air traffic control, but getting a job in this climate is d*** near impossible If you're a government worker.
You don't need to censor yourself here, you can fucking swear whatever dick comment you want
Speech to text, helps me get my verbal diarrhea out faster. But let me try a curse: Barbara Streisand.
probably qualified for a drive-through job