Because nano has unacceptable key combos, and no support for mouse. micro has sensible key combos, good syntax highlighting and supports mouse perfectly fine.
NixOS has rm. But it's not under /bin. There is no /bin in NixOS. The user's programs are inside /run/current-system/sw/bin, and those are symlinks from files hidden in /nix/store.
Running rm -rf / --no-preserve-root under NixOS, will not nuke the entire system, since /nix/store is mounted as read-only, and only remounted as rw when new applications are downloaded, or older unused ones are wiped.
ed (pronounced as distinct letters, /ˌiːˈdiː/)[1] is a line editor for Unix and Unix-like operating systems. It was one of the first parts of the Unix operating system that was developed, in August 1969.
Dennis M. Ritchie produced what Doug McIlroy later described as the "definitive" ed,[5] and aspects of ed went on to influence ex, which in turn spawned vi.
Vim ("Vi IMproved") has many additional features compared to vi, including (scriptable) syntax highlighting, mouse support, graphical versions, visual mode, many new editing commands and a large amount of extension in the area of ex commands.
I've never used qed, but it sounds like that might be considered even one step back:
TECO (/ˈtiːkoʊ/[1]), short for Text Editor & Corrector, [2] [3][4] is both a character-oriented text editor and a programming language,[5][6] that was developed in 1962 for use on Digital Equipment Corporation computers, and has since become available on PCs and Unix. Dan Murphy developed TECO while a student at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).
It was subsequently modified by many other people[7] and is a direct ancestor of Emacs, which was originally implemented in TECO macros.
EDIT: Actually...hmm. Now that I think of it, I might have briefly used TECO on a DEC VAX/VMS cluster. IIRC, I mostly used EVE, though.
EDIT2: Hmm. Apparently someone has ported TECO to Linux:
TECO, that grand old text editor your father used when he was young, is still available! It is powerful and compact precursor to EMACS and has a completely nongraphical user interface. This is based on Pete Siemsen's TECOC implementation, and comes with a copy of the original DECUS TECO documentation.
Do I need a paper tape punch and reader to use TECO?
No. Modern TECOs will also edit text files.
Is TECO fast?
Yes, it's probably the fastest editor available
While I'm maintaining the files as I had worked on them and downloads here, Blake McBride has taken the source code, added the video/scope mode, fixed bugs and improved the speed (not that it is slow!), documented the changes and has it available in GitHub. Go here for his work https://github.com/blakemcbride/TECOC
tries building it
Hah. It takes under a third of a second to compile on my system:
$ git clone https://github.com/blakemcbride/TECOC.git
$ cd TECOC/src
$ time make -j32 -f makefile.linux >/dev/null 2>&1
real 0m0.296s
user 0m2.341s
sys 0m0.874s
$
Hmm. Yeah, I don't remember how to use this at all, if I did use it. Looks like the command syntax is a little like ed's, but you whack Escape twice to execute commands. Each press of Escape displays a dollar sign.
This "neutrality" is like giving equal voice to doctors and tobacco companies. They need to take the initiative for public health and declare the correct, ergonomic editor as international standard.
Defaulting to nano without explicit user consent will be considered a class c user experience violation
One step forward, two steps back. I always hate how politicians can be so accommodating of the popular minority while still being so discriminatory against the less popular ones.
This sounds like a prank to me, I've been using nano for all of my Linux life (10+y) and I've never seen this, are we talking about the same nano ? https://nano-editor.org/ ?
Vim has long since won the war. I say that as an emacs user who is familiar with using vim because it's installed by default on the vast majority of computers I interact with nowadays
Depends on how you look at it. The deal she made is never going to get ratified by the EU member states, but placated Trump enough to lower his stupid tariffs to acceptable levels. I think she 100% knew the deal she agreed with him was never going in effect and she just wanted to buy time, which so far has worked.
It makes a lot of sense to buy time for a variety of reasons. She took a hit to her image with this "deal" but she effectively accomplished all the goals she had going into those discussions. But from afar it looks like she was played.
European Commision's laptops run on Windows 11 and then they need to pay for AWS to do any kind of meanigful work... And then some devs still pick Windows to run on AWS anyway!
to summarize the conclusions thus far, as is my secretary duty
amendments to the protocol of this EU directive are as follows in the first line of stallings amendments:
TECO is to be legacy alternative to EMACS and all personell are to be provided paid leave for educational purposes.
ED is to be legacy alternative to VIM and all personell are to be provided paid leave for educational purposes.
up for further discussion: are ideologically united editors such as VILE (VI Like Emacs) middleground or offensive to both parties? is it right of marginalized editors to invoke a non-monopolyculture clause: "will SAM or VIS be up for consideration?" asks [name redacted under GDPR]
My boy nano getting a drive by. He always there for me when I need to quickly edit a conf file
Delete
nanoalready.Let's make
microthe standard!!Nah,
ededis, in fact, in the POSIX standard.https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/
Shell & Utilities -> Utilities -> ed
In fact, it looks like
exandsed, both child editors ofed, are baked into the standard. Nopico-family editors.Nice, an analognowhere I missed!
Y e s
Why should micro be the standard over nano?
Because
nanohas unacceptable key combos, and no support for mouse.microhas sensible key combos, good syntax highlighting and supports mouse perfectly fine.make the standard
code-insidersbut in vim modeEd is the standard and only option.
EDITOR=shredtoo if you’re brave or having a rough day.Remember to put
at the top of every file, to teach people not to execute files they shouldn't.
Please use "/usr/bin/env [command]". Otherwise, it will not work on NixOS
Not really cool to post commands like that without consideration for privileges for newcomers, make sure to use
sudofirst. /sNixOS has
rm. But it's not under/bin. There is no/binin NixOS. The user's programs are inside/run/current-system/sw/bin, and those are symlinks from files hidden in/nix/store.Running
rm -rf / --no-preserve-rootunder NixOS, will not nuke the entire system, since/nix/storeis mounted as read-only, and only remounted as rw when new applications are downloaded, or older unused ones are wiped.Does that mean it works if you happen to run it while a download is ongoing?
Maybe... I haven't tried it to be honest. I will need to setup a VM for that, as my personal files would get wiped anyway.
If you want to test it yourself, try to
rmwhilenixos-rebuildis running.Ed is kinda-sorta great-granddaddy vim.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_(software)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi_(text_editor)
I've never used qed, but it sounds like that might be considered even one step back:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_(software)
Many features of ed came from the qed text editor developed at Thompson's alma mater University of California, Berkeley.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QED_(text_editor)
I guess TECO --- which I also have not used --- would kinda-sorta be the emacs analog:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TECO_(text_editor)
EDIT: Actually...hmm. Now that I think of it, I might have briefly used TECO on a DEC VAX/VMS cluster. IIRC, I mostly used EVE, though.
EDIT2: Hmm. Apparently someone has ported TECO to Linux:
https://www.almy.us/teco.html
tries building it
Hah. It takes under a third of a second to compile on my system:
Hmm. Yeah, I don't remember how to use this at all, if I did use it. Looks like the command syntax is a little like ed's, but you whack Escape twice to execute commands. Each press of Escape displays a dollar sign.
Intro guide © 1972: https://ia902906.us.archive.org/25/items/bitsavers_decpdp10TOandbook04tecoIntro_1457616/04_tecoIntro_text.pdf
Clearly does work, though.
Vim is bloatware atop Ed making it insanely memory hungry and nearly unusable.
(Send from an IBM PC with 256k memory running LFS)
LFS is unlikely to run on such a machine. BSD or Xenix are appropriate operating systems.
This "neutrality" is like giving equal voice to doctors and tobacco companies. They need to take the initiative for public health and declare the correct, ergonomic editor as international standard.
Which is clearly...
The pen
Is that a neovim plugin?
Yes, but only if it's the editor I use /s
Of course. Why would you use the wrong editor?
Obviously Emacs with Evil mode... or Vim with Vimacs?
Ah yes, the worst of both worlds.
Awesome. And now...
a tab is four spaces... press tab all you want...
Vertical or horizontal tabs?
Slazer here opening a new front in the tabs v space war
New?
More: Tabs or buffers.
4 spaces by default for indentation unless
.editorconfigsays otherwise.LOL, I prefer nano.
You're in luck, it's a designated neutral editor
Hello, EU police?
You pervert!
There's always a smaller editor: pico
One step forward, two steps back. I always hate how politicians can be so accommodating of the popular minority while still being so discriminatory against the less popular ones.
I use helix, BTW. It's like vim (but backwards) and it's written in rust.
main selling point being that it's purple
It's like neovim if you had amnesia and forgot all the time spent installing plugins and getting your configs just right.
Why does nano always get such hate. Surely as a quick simple text editor it does the job?
so does vim, and better most of time
I liked it a lot until it started asking me for money every time I saved a file.
Now I use the built in text editor.
What
After the first 50 or so times you save a file in the Nano text editor, it will start giving you a popup asking to buy the full version.
This is extremely annoying every single time you save a file in Nano after it starts activating
This sounds like a prank to me, I've been using nano for all of my Linux life (10+y) and I've never seen this, are we talking about the same nano ?
https://nano-editor.org/ ?
Fuck i was thinking of Sublime
I don't think I've used nano, looks like Vim
Nano actually shows you the shortcuts all of the time
What distro do you use?
Vim has long since won the war. I say that as an emacs user who is familiar with using vim because it's installed by default on the vast majority of computers I interact with nowadays
I was laughing out loud until I read the part on VS Code or Google Docs to "avoid ideological tensions".
Clearly Herve Beraud is a closed source advocate, total rage bait! /s
All offices within the EU administration will be supplied with the officially modified flavors of eumacs and neuvim.
oh my gosh yesplease
This is the real crime
Okay. Proceed to set up 'ed' as default
I'm okay with that
nano for lyfe! what's the fine for a "class c user experience violation"?
Banishment to Windows.
That's torture and a human rights violation!
eww, ok, I'll switch to vim
You can still use nano. Just don't make it the default for your distro or you'll lose your Linux license.
ok, officer. thank you, officer. Am I free to go?
If you can figure out how to exit, sure
:wq!
Off you go, have a nanice day!
steals your escape key
Now, try to exit vim.
@somerandomperson @madjo
Ctrl-c ZQ
I don't use Arch btw.
Isnt that the woman who bent down to Trump to fuck over Europe?
Depends on how you look at it. The deal she made is never going to get ratified by the EU member states, but placated Trump enough to lower his stupid tariffs to acceptable levels. I think she 100% knew the deal she agreed with him was never going in effect and she just wanted to buy time, which so far has worked.
It makes a lot of sense to buy time for a variety of reasons. She took a hit to her image with this "deal" but she effectively accomplished all the goals she had going into those discussions. But from afar it looks like she was played.
Yeah maybe that is how it went down. I like your version of events and would like to believe that is what happened actually.
How do they count Neovim?
Also, Emacs absolutely can emulate vim, making it unnecessary
Look, all I'm gonna say is...
EMACS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urcL86UpqZc
European Commision's laptops run on Windows 11 and then they need to pay for AWS to do any kind of meanigful work... And then some devs still pick Windows to run on AWS anyway!
ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR
You don't need ed, emacs can emulate it.
Notepad++
Time to burn Europe. This injustice will not stand.
just run a logon script to alias both vim and emacs and nano for all your users.
to summarize the conclusions thus far, as is my secretary duty
amendments to the protocol of this EU directive are as follows in the first line of
stallingsamendments:TECO is to be legacy alternative to EMACS and all personell are to be provided paid leave for educational purposes.
ED is to be legacy alternative to VIM and all personell are to be provided paid leave for educational purposes.
up for further discussion: are ideologically united editors such as VILE (VI Like Emacs) middleground or offensive to both parties? is it right of marginalized editors to invoke a non-mono
polyculture clause: "will SAM or VIS be up for consideration?" asks [name redacted under GDPR]No Vim! Vi only! Yes I know if you type "vi filename.txt" you get Vim. That's not the point. Vi is nearly 50 years old. Have some respect.
I think the distinction is trivial. Or trivimial?
I'm glad a peace was found, but go vim!
I default to vim because I want an editor that just works and doesn’t need a lot of customization. I have nothing against emacs or nano.
No mention of ms edit? I feel this won't last.