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lemm.ee

What exactly does "European sphere of influence" mean? How is it distinct from "partial control/influence"? Why is Turkiye one and not the other?

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For Nepal and Bhutan at least, I think they were essentially a tributary state for the British empire and if they stepped out of line they'd be colonised.

Same with Mongolia for the Soviet Union

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lemmy.world

So, Afganistan, Iran and Mongolia are listed as "European sphere of influence", but Japan and Korea are not?

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Yeah, it seems kind of strange to say that Japan has never been in Europe’s sphere of influence considering the history of how the Dutch East India Company and later the British East India Company operated in Japan.

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I think is more in a power relationship mean, like Japan and Korea are influenced by Europe because they are partners, not because they are influencing their government.

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cmbabulreply
lemmy.world

I don’t even think Russia considers that part of Russia to be Europe

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Zoldyckreply
discuss.online

Russia is part Europe and part Asia geographically speaking.

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CanadaPlusreply
lemmy.sdf.org

Yeah, you'd have to cut out all Slavs if you wanted to make that distinction make sense.

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No. Most people I know don't consider Russia to be part of Europe

Then again, I actually live in Europe, rather than being an American trying to judge the line

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nogooduserreply
lemmy.world

But did the European part of Russia colonise the Asian part or the other way around?

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Asia -> Europe first, but then Europe -> Asia, and finders keepers.

I mean, all of Europe saw population replacement when Middle Eastern farmers and then much later Indo-European steppe horsemen showed up, if we want to go way back.

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lemmy.world

For those that don't know, French Guiana being an overseas department of France makes it analogous to Alaska or Hawaii, rather than a mere territory. It's considered a fully-fledged part of France, at the same level as all the departments of metropolitan France.

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infeeeeereply
lemm.ee

Yes, as it has the same rights as the other French counties in Europe. They also vote in EU parliament elections

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infeeeeereply
lemm.ee

Not exactly. People live there have the same rights as people living in European France, they are not second class citizens.

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Of course we did, nothing like a good pointless naval dispute. Next thing we know our military will be dropping flags and bottles of booze on their beaches.

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That's French Guiana and is considered part of France. Just like most of Russia is in Asia, but the map still says it's part of Europe.

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lemm.ee

Sad how much unique culture we don't have in the world today that is instead replaced by ubiquitous European sourced culture.

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feddit.de

Every time I think of the near complete destruction of Pre-Columbian Indigenous American culture by European colonizers I get angry and sad. It must be one of the worst crimes in history.

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Completely agree, the whole Americans conquer was a complete cultural disaster

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Crulreply

I've heard that expression to describe the Spanish Empire, TIL that it's also used to talk about the British one.

From Spanish Wikipedia: El imperio donde nunca se pone el sol - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre

The expression The empire where the sun never sets has been used in different contexts to define a certain type of global empire, so extensive that there is always at least a part of its territory where it is daytime. It was originally used by the Spanish Empire, mainly between the 16th and 17th centuries. In more recent times it has been used for the British Empire, mainly in the 19th and 20th centuries.

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feddit.nl

Ethiopia has never been colonized either :/ what else is wrong here?

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I believe it is "mamma mia" while running around with their heads on fire haha.

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feddit.nl

Fine, fine, there were those 5 years of occupation, that was not colonization, but ok, there was an attempt.

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Gsus4reply
feddit.nl

Nobody speaks Italian in there, I think, and they kept their own script and such... the marks left by the fascists there were a whole murdered generation of intellectuals.

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And a basic familiarity with Italian dishes, IIRC. Kind of a shitty trade, this Mussolini guy sounds like he was no good.

They also claimed to have ended slavery in the country, but usually when a fascist says something like that in their propaganda it's bullshit.

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