Trump, 79, Gets Confused Explaining Water to the Navy
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He thinks that magnets can be foiled by water.
The race to the bottom of intelligence is neck and neck between Donald Trump himself and the slack jawed bozos that vote for him. There is no winner to the "Lights Are On, But They Are Motion Sensor" Award.
The morons voting him as the leader are by FAAAR the bigger morons. Like magnitudes bigger. He's gifting those morons straight to the bank.
I think what’s he’s getting confused about is that they’re using electromagnets, which the circuitry of could certainly be damaged by water.
I suspect someone at some point communicated some kind of potential problem the navy could be having, and he just went “magnets + water = bad, got it”. Which is what I think the real point should be here. It’s not so much that the president is confused about how magnets work, its more that someone at some point mentioned some kind of existing or potential situation and he is just spewing it back out without really understanding it.
Like basically the president of the fucking United States is not capable of understanding someone telling him that electromagnets can be damaged by water and/or is unable to communicate that basic concept.
Never mind every other fucking electronic thing on a modern aircraft carrier.
Nobody tell him that fighter jets sink in the water, he'll have all the carriers decommissioned because "Planes don't go on water. Why are we sending airplanes into the ocean, they'll just sink!"
Well, to be fair, we do seem to be doing that a lot
One of those was a helicopter, which in fairness, also does not go on water.
Yeah, see, you don't need to worry about planes sinking in the water if you don't take them out in the water. Melt all the carriers down and make shitty branded watches out of them to sell to dopes for way too much money.
Hey - ask him about windmills
Or the big faucet in the mountains.
or batteries and sharks and boats.
Going for the juggalo vote?
With the economy as it is, we may all need to switch to Faygo.
It’s what plants crave.
It mutilates thirst!
I might be broke but at least I ain't got no money
He STILL thinks this somehow after saying it like 18 months ago too. I don’t know how no one told him he sounds like a fucking moron after the first time he said it publicly.
Because he surrounds himself with sycophants. Anyone who would have pushed back is gone.
Someone probably did tell him. But he forgot. Because he's old, and probably has dementia.
He’s right though, he doesn’t know what’s going to happen…
The article has a translation
If you remember the news a few years back there were all sorts of delays and problems caused by switching from hydraulics to magnetic/electrical. It’s probably a vague memory of more complexity than he can handle. A sane president would have had someone with expertise go over his speech
It was the first time so as long as all the issues have been worked out and the next one is smoother, we’re good
Where does the water come in
During his first term, he wanted to keep using steam, then somebody explained that magnets are better and steam kinda sucks
I can't tell if this is true or not.
Considering that Trump has taken ignorance-based misinformation to a whole new level, it seems only fitting that "that sounds so absurd, it's plausible he said that" has and/or will become part of his legacy.
I honestly don’t remember what specific problems they had during development but it’s easy to believe dealing with harsh environment at sea for long periods was one of them. You can probably look them up easily enough. It’s got moving parts and high power electronics on an open deck and the boat can be at sea for months …
Yes, which is 1 million percent true. Just ask any aquarium hobbyist or electromagnetic elevator engineer.
https://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog/can-magnets-rust
Why... why would he think that?
He once owned an iron magnet which got wet and then rusted? That is probably still too logical for him but it's the only kind of plausible chain of thought I can come up with.
I can only assume that the spirochetes in his brain are dying off, and all that's left up there is cat food.
Electromagnets maybe?
b/w
Has he ever been able to complete a coherent sentence?
About 15 years ago, yes. There were a few videos of him talking borderline eloquently about political issues, but then again back then he was supporting the Democrats.
I'm more and more suspecting that like Fetterman, he had a stroke too that put him down this path.
Oh, he's definitely been having mini strokes, for years. That or the adderal induced lack of sleep is creating psychosis in him.
Or, and this is most likely, he's just following his own father into the maw of dementia - and that is his personal terror, if the history about his family that I've read, is correct.
Father, grandfather, and sister.
He’s said some incredibly stupid things, but this is next level.
The hamster powering his brain is clearly just a rotting pile of sludge now. How can anyone look at this masterclass in utter ignorance and see anything other than a senile old fool who should be in a nursing home for his own protection?
Nearly 80% of republicans think this is okay? What wouldn’t they think is okay from him? It seems they’d be fine with his actual corpse being wheeled round on a trolley by Vance & co. Astounding.
I had to double check to make sure I wasn't reading The Onion. These word salads are literally on the level of a parody of the orange turdsack.
Oh, no, you mean like he'd ever learn anything.
That's a nope.
Oh! yeah, that makes more sense! :D
You should note at least that this poll is of 2000 people in Geprgia.
it's spelled Jorrgeeya.
Jhoreegieniuska if you want to be perfectly accurate.
Seems like I’m gonna whip out the champagne soon
They'll just keep propping him up, telling everyone he's fine, and they will believe it
That article is unfortunately gone and I couldn't find the link on the archive sites I know
That second one was a nothing burger really, but I wonder if it's the same (the second link is from April of this year)
Like they do with mumbling Mitch Mcconnell?
Worked for Cuba, North Korea, etc for awhile.
Street party at least
Every mainstream media outlet talking about Biden at 79: "He's so incredibly OLD!!!!!!"
Talking about Trump: (anything but his age)
Since 2014 or whenever he started campaigning I've been wondering why any sane person would offer that dimwit a microphone.
Apparently there are far fewer sane people than I had hoped.
Or the insane ones somehow ended up in influential positions more often.
They don't listen to the speech, they listen to sound bites out of context while some pseudo intellectual tells them how it made the libs cry while trying to get them to purchase unregulated supplements and boner pills to "support the cause" ie. Pay them.
exactly. And they've made up a term for it to make him sound smarter than he really is.
They call "the weave".
As if Trump is masterfully moving from subject to subject, connecting dots, seeing the patterns.... and not, ya know, fucking rambling like a senile old person.
Idiocracy critical mass was achieved in 2015.
Bad example, because President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho wanted to improve things and (at least in the end) actually listened to the smartest guy around
Truth
I feel honored
Account made 2 years ago. It's real!
The fool was always given a dunce cap (maybe gold plated made in China in this case) and placed in a corner to spout his gibberish.
I’ve been wondering why any sane person would listen to this fool and even vote for him. Do they even listen to what comes out of his mouth?
Stupid people in America believed some obvious bullshit claims made on a literal reality TV show.
He let slip he had an MRI recently, which explains why magnets are on the brain. Very interesting
As you can see from the article he seems to be obsessed with them in general.
Remember when he claimed that magnets stop working if they get wet?
Yes, again because article
From years of reading SkyMall catalogs. Magnets cure everything.
Magnets. How do they even work? Nobody knows.
This is starting to get dangerously close to some SCP-1981 shit.
(I know, I know, real life already vastly surpassed all potential of art in the realm of presidential incomprehensibility in Trump's first term.)
Isn't that special.
I should've searched for Dana Carvey meme lol. Thanks!
Bless his heart
Trump, 79, Gets Confused
Explaining Water to the NavyYou can save letters if you just stop there. It will work for the next 400 articles until the orange mayonnaise golem is called back by the witch that created him out of blob of smegma and tanning spray.
Hey now, let's leave disparaging witches to the puritanical hypocrites, eh? 🤌🏼
Satan loves us all equally. 🤘🏼❤️🔥
Except MAGAts. I hear he'd really rather not have them around at all.
/me looks around.
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Ctrl+F O N I O N
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Huh. Satire writers really are having a tough time right now.
As for the last 8 years
Someone please edit the Wikipedia page for magnets to add the fact that water cancels them out.
There are two types: neodymium magnets and samarium–cobalt magnets. Rare-earth magnets are extremely brittle and are vulnerable to corrosion, so they are usually plated or coated to protect them from breaking, chipping, or crumbling into powder.
Lmao who is downvoting a Wikipedia quote?
I didn't, but it also doesn't mention water
Believe it or not, this has something to do with China trade policy. He’s rambled before about China controlling rare earth magnets. I believe magnets were specifically called out in the first China trade ”deal.”
Someone has clearly told this doddering old fool that China produces most of the world’s rare earth magnets, and being stupid, he drew the conclusion that magnets = China = bad.
Stop this ride, I want to get off.
Yeah, 100%
Sarah Palin looks like a genius compared to this jackass.
Wait until he finds out that brake fluid is hygroscopic.
Ooh, wow, careful with those fancy words there. That sounds something like what some nerd scientist would say.
fucking magnets, how do the work?
https://youtu.be/aVPDGW6Y53s
This is supposed to be a world leader?
This?
Good thing that nothing ever goes wrong with hydraulics.
Hydraulic good because hit by lightning fine
Especially if hit by lightning. Totally fine.
Magnets... how do they work?
Stable Fucking Genius.
Or Trump could become a real dumbass when it turns into "Trump, 79, Gets Confused Trying to Explain Navy to the Water". giggle
This sounds like a freaking Seinfeld bit "So WHAT'S the deal with MAGNETS?"
I think what he was trying to say is that the water was going to short-circuit the magnet.
Stable genius
Fucking magnets. We’ve only been using them for like 4000 years.
The article says magnets discovered by Chinese in 200 BC so a little over 2000 years. I am not a historian to verify though.
Greek legends go back about 4000. But records have Greece using them around 600 bc. China started using the compass around 200bc, with some records of magnets exist to around 400bc.
I always found it funny that friends and family who have been in the military have told me if I want to fly planes in the military, I should join the Navy instead of the Air Force and if I want to work on a ship to join the Coast Guard or Marines.
The idiot here isn't Trump
It's America
I wonder if the DOD brass thought that “..Taking America back to when it was great..” meant we’d be using 1950’s technology as well.
Hmmm.
Tbh I would go for a lot more VU meters.
Let's mix it up and do the Fallout timeline so 1950s with nuclear added.
This video gave me brain cancer, and I couldn't watch the whole thing.
Not to mention repeating the complete lie that Biden claimed he was a pilot, in the military and a truck driver.
Edit: Downvote? Show me where Biden claimed he was a pilot.
Cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool
Only vaguely related... switching to magnets makes me think of top gun.
Officer: [in the midst of the MIG battle] Both Catapults are broken, sir. Stinger: How long will it take? Officer: It'll take ten minutes. Stinger: Bullshit ten minutes! This thing will be over in two minutes! Get on it!
Isn't water a highly unusual polar molecule?
Let's not pretend that water is simple to understand. Anyone whose tried to measure it in a graduated cylinder knows this.
He likes watching videos, right? Can someone send him this?
https://youtube.com/shorts/QUiqOxG5zIA
"Gets Confused Explaining Water to the Navy"
Did they get the wrong clip? I didnt hear him try to "explain water"
Saltwater does in fact aggressively corrode neodymium magnets. About as fast as a piece of raw iron. On top of that, the saltwater can induce currents in magnetic systems that can wreak havoc. There is truth to what Trump is saying. It seems like people are assuming Trump thinks water cancels out magnetism, but I don't see that.
Report: Carrier USS Ford's Electromagnetic Systems Still Need Work New aircraft launch and recovery systems still break down too often, according to the Pentagon's testing office
https://navalaviationnews.navy.mil/Editorial-Staff-Tools/Article-Submission/Article/3022833/how-naval-aviation-is-solving-its-billion-dollar-corrosion-problem/
https://www.stanfordmagnets.com/how-to-avoid-neodymium-magnet-corrosion.html
However he mentioned pouring a glass of water.
Nice try though.
... rare earth magnets are highly susceptible to corrosion regardless if the water is salty. They will corrode very quickly in fresh water - as any aquarium hobbyist coult tell you.
You aren't claiming that magnets are impervious to corrosion, are you?
Neodymium magnets are typically coated with Nickel to prevent rust and corrosion from moisture, but unless coated with a special corrosion resistant coating, they are not waterproof. They should be kept away from water (especially salt water), as exposure to moisture can cause them to corrode and lose their magnetic strength over time. It is important to note that even a small amount of water, such as high humidity, can cause rust to form on the surface of the magnets. If you need to use neodymium magnets in a damp or wet environment, it is best to use a magnet with a corrosion resistant coating, or encase them in a waterproof container to protect them from moisture.
It could be because he said it like this:
Which is 100 percent correct... you can drop a single drop of tap water onto a magent, and it will corrode. This is nothing new to aquarium enthusiasts.
Did he say it like a dumbass? Yes. Is he a dumbass? Yes. But there is truth to what he's saying. Criticisms of the man should be strategic and pointed, otherwise you risk discrediting yourself to right wingers.
You're sane-washing a madman. It's like when he suggested piping UV light into your veins to cure COVID... Yes, purifying blood using UV is a real area of research, but his take away is nonsense. You have to squint, change half the concept, and then ignore all practical considerations to make that make sense
Pay attention to what he's actually suggesting - replacing our extremely advanced magnetic launch system with hydronics. They would have way more parts, fail more catastrophically, and would not be able to launch nearly as much weight
This is not a serious option... It's a misunderstanding of something thrown out in a brainstorm
This remains to be seen. In fact, the opposite is proving true.
https://maritime-executive.com/article/report-carrier-uss-ford-s-electromagnetic-systems-still-need-work
https://www.forbes.com/sites/craighooper/2022/10/14/in-a-first-deployment-test-uss-ford-fails-to-beat-nimitz-class-benchmarks/
Those articles are from 2022, when they were still shaking things out in real world usage. Since then the bugs have been slowly but consistently ironed out. It happens every time with defense development these days.
They're looking to expand use of the system, because it is just all around better. There's fewer parts, it's faster, smaller, and lighter. That means smaller aircraft carriers
This is a non issue, Trump just doesn't like "electric". And yeah, I'm sure he heard about problems in development and latched onto that in his first term, but really it's about rare earth magnets from China... Which these systems use, along with just about everything else these days
Not to mention, these systems are smaller and lighter ... is it even possible to retrofit a steam launch system on the all electric carriers built around this?
This just came straight out your ass. Where can you find a source for this? Show me anything that corroborates. Yall are just digging in now thay you know youre wrong. Its obvious that you are completely oblivious to the throws of this recent carrier class and the associated new technologies - which have been consistently problematic for years now.
2025:
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-navy-still-struggling-with-elevators-on-ford-aircraft-carriers-2025-4
2025:
https://nationalsecurityjournal.org/the-new-ford-class-aircraft-carriers-have-a-warning-for-the-u-s-navy/
2025:
https://www.energy-reporters.com/news/they-spent-13-billion-on-a-mistake-uss-gerald-fords-electromagnetic-catapults-keep-failing-and-navy-cant-fix-them/?hl=en-US#%3A%7E%3Atext=A+key+feature+of+this%2Cby+reducing+stress+on+aircraft.
If you actually read those articles you just linked, you'll find the titles are click bait. The program has massive cost overruns, just like the F35. And similarly, it's had issues, but the F35 is an incredibly advanced aircraft now
But the navy expects to hit the promised performance metrics by 2030. They're moving forward with the program, even considering expanding it into ground based systems
The navy can indeed fix their electronic catapults, I don't know if that last one is AI or what, but the entire article is a huge puff piece about the advantages of the ship
And another piece of the business insider article
This relates to my other point... Is it even possible to retrofit a steam system on the Ford and Kennedy?
So yeah. There's been problems, the budget is out of control, but the tech is only improving
If only there was something that could be done to prevent the corrosion, like coating them or using them inside a sealed mechanism. It’s not trumps job to tell engineers who are infinitely more intelligent than him how to do their job.
Giving rare earth magnets a waterproof coating is nothing new. They are still extremely susceptible to corrosion, especially in seawater applications.
Salt water corrodes nearly everything. It's the salt.
Why would you give this man the benefit of the doubt at this point?
It doesn't really matter what scientific information has been given about magnets, we see before us what his brain turned it into.
It actually does matter when you have an entire thread of people decrying Trump's supposed lack of understanding of magnets - while simultaneously pushing completely incorrect ideas about magents and laying bare their own lack of understanding of magnets.
Especially annoying when you can do one single Google search and read a plethora of sources that explain in great scientific detail just how susceptible magnets are to water - especially in seawater applications.
You might read the article where that line about dropping a glass of water on a magnet and he doesn't know what will happen is just one example of a long pattern of his complaining about magnets (and sorry to disappoint you but drop a glass of water on a magnet and nothing will happen).
I suspect the whole ranting about magnets relates to the trade war with China which is by far our main source of rare earth materials including for rare earth magnets, and he seems of generalize them to all magnets. But the point is he says he's going to sign an EO that they can't use the magnetic elevators on aircraft carriers because of his mindset about magnets. Sure, I guess if the ship sank, there could be damage to the magnets in the new elevators, but that wouldn't exactly be the biggest problem at that point.
You are one dense mfer. Maybe even denser than Trump.
https://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog/can-magnets-rust
https://www.couragemagnet.com/magnet-faqs/3391.html
omg. trump said "drop a glass of water on it and I don't know what'll happen"--as if the brief amount of time a glass of water ran over the magnet would ruin it. He didn't say soak it in water or keep it wet for a long period of time. Obviously metal rusts over time if not kept dry. You're grasping at straws trying to defend trump.