To be honest, this has always kinda been how the conservatives in the US talk when they're by themselves. I grew up in the 70s and heard it quite often from uptight assholes on the right.
It's not anything new, really. It's just that today the communications, instead of being face to face, are online and they leave records of their conversations.
Not necessarily. It’s the internet turning them into this for the last 20+ years or so because most white boys have had internet access longer than any other group of people.
I had the same experience with racist kids growing up. That was long enough ago that only nerdy kids like me cared about using the internet.
Honestly, middle school kids usually aren't good at hiding that kind of behaviour from their parents. Any decent parent would slap the proverbial shit out of their kid for it.
A viciously racist 10-13 year old kid will almost always have tacit or direct approval from their parents.
But you are right, I am certain that the internet today has been making it worse.
It’s especially making it worse with algorithms that affirm their beliefs so they don’t encounter as many differing views. The mass manipulation of children on a global scale scares the shit out of me.
No. I was legitimately shocked the first time I heard these things, as I switched schools.
I stayed shocked until today, though I’ve had to keep hearing it in my small town. For a while in the early 2000s, it got a bit better, but starting in 2016 it ramped up to 1980s levels again.
As a designer doing advertising work, a local bakery rebranded themselves and asked me in 2017 to redo their logo to Kathy’s Korner baKery, for instance. Of course I wouldn’t, but nobody would have asked me to do that before.
Back in the 80s/early 90s I would have seen shit like that, but not in the early to mid 2000s.
From my (very white girl) perspective, it seems some people have hit middle age and desperately want to return to their teens when that abhorrent behaviour was okay. Their personality has become wrapped up in it, and they think being asked to care about others is a judgement on their soul (it is, and they’re awful people), so they’re lashing out.
They don’t understand they can learn and grow, and instead feel everyone has turned against them, so they’re doubling down. It’s actually sad.
I fully agree with everything you said. Do you mean that children aren't necessarily learning racism from their parents because they are learning to be racist from society as a whole?
Maybe I'm wrong about parenthood, but I would like to believe that any openly racist 10-13 year old kid must have racist parents, simply because any decent parent would catch on and stamp that behaviour out.
Those pathetic, racist, middle aged people who are trying to relive their teenage years? I just met a few people like that. You're right on the money. Those people had children too.
No, children are learning this from their parents, but society as a whole is moving on from this, and some insular communities are getting butthurt over it. This is part of what’s fuelling their xenophobia, actually.
They have to be run out town and any that have acted on their murderous desires need to be tried for their crimes. It makes more sense why USAID was shut down though. These people are part of a death cult and the conspiracy theories are just an attempt to sanitize the murderous plans to gullible people.
No, the things that are happening in the US right now is not really comparable to things happening in any other Western democracy. All countries have their issues, but this blatant fascist takeover occurring in the US right now is quite unique.
But it is a cautionary tale. Other countries aren't trying very hard to stifle their growing far-right movements and will end up the same way if they keep giving them legitimacy. They could also more openly condemn the fascist USA instead of treating Trump as acceptable and allowing him the usual respectful state visits.
Yes, as always, the master race: fat, balding, and utterly insignificant without the inbred assurance that their skin color is some kind of achievement.
It's ironic that the greatest achievements of the white "race" (race in quotes since it's not a real thing) have been in the realm of technology, yet the most advanced thing these inbred fucks have ever achieved is mounting big flags in the backs of their trucks.
Know what you're getting at and you seem to address this but I wouldn't attribute any achievement to the white race. That feeds into the Nazi narrative. Every achievement is an adaptation of or a step forward from ancient human wisdom. The concept of zero, which is foundational to all modern mathematics and technology, was derived from the spiritual and philosophical practices of people in South Asia. The precursors of the printing press were developed by people in China partly due to the rapid expansion of Buddhism creating a high demand for sutras.
Many of the mathematic "developments" of Fibonacci, for example, were already known in the Arabian peninsula, after having been transferred from South Asia and further developed. He learned Arabic in order to being them to the West. The infinite series for trigonometric functions (precursors to calculus) were also known in South Asia and the Arab peninsula before being ?discovered independently in Europe (its unknown if this knowledge transferred).
Finally I'll end with the fact that both the industrial revolution and enlightenment occurred on the back of colonial exploitation. It was the relative luxury and advatantage of having people working the fields in a distant nation that allowed for the technological development that led to the industrial revolution in the west. It was the relative luxury, at the cost of back breaking labor in the colonies, that allowed for people to meet in salons and cafes and discuss/propogate enlightenment values. There's some debate that enlightenment values may have developed in part due to contact with Indigineous people in the Americas since precivilization cultures are inherently more egalitarian and democratic (as communal interdependence is absolutely crucial to survival).
My larger point is that these are human / global achivements. The idea that no attribution can be given to those who paid for them in their blood is an imperialist one. And the last thing we want to do is empower fascists / imperialists.
You've already acknowledged so just expanding on your point!
The very notion that someone would take some kind of credit for technological advancement because they share a similar skin color with a random visionary makes me want to communicate non-verbally with these douche bags in a very forceful way.
For a decade, I have been begging anyone who will listen to believe Trump et al. whenever they threaten someone. I swear that the only time Trump tells the truth is when he promises violence, retribution, or lawbreaking.
My husband is a high school teacher. He's had more than a decade of students saying Nazi shit in an attempt to be "edgy." They seem surprised when he calls them out on their bullshit. His response has made a few (probably too few) of them think twice about how people perceive them because of their words.
Last year was the first time he had a student who spouted that crap because he actually believed it. I think he has a couple of students now who actively identify as fascists. Times, they are a-changin'.
Sometimes it's "being edgy just for the sake of it isn't cool. Don't be an idiot; people fought wars over this." Students generally respect him, so once they realize he doesn't play that game, they stop doing it in his classes.
If it's a specific kind of bigotry, he points out that someone important to him is black/gay/trans/an immigrant/etc, and asks the kid if they've even met someone in that group. Most of the time the kid hasn't and they're just parroting things they've heard at home or online.
If, as kids with this mentality, were never punished or corrected it just carries over.
For a lot of these 4chan-tier chuds, the behavior was likely rewarded and encouraged. That's how you get Charlie Kirk and Nick Fuentes tier freaks. We are quite literally paying these people to exist and reproduce.
Vance already said it was kids doing dumb kid things. They're not kids. They're adults. If you're old enough to vote, your a freaking adult. If you can fight and die in the military, you're an adult. You never see anyone say oh those are just kid soldiers doing kid soldiers things. No because they're adults who are responsible for their own actions and words.
germans far right is exactly the same. leaked chats showed the most vile disgusting shit. but the sad part is, that you don't even need those leaked chats. official politicians suggested shooting at immigrants, killing opponents and getting rid of our grundgesetz (which resembles your constitution).
but ask "moderate" if we should use our law that allows us to prohibit parties that clearly attack our grundgesetz and they will come up with the law of free speech (which doesn't apply in this case). the irony: the far right already made clear that free speech of the first thing to go when they are in charge.
for gods sake read some karl popper: you can't tolerate the intolerant! free speech can only justify free speech as long as that speech doesn't attack the freedom of others.
Please remember, this is the republican party, the party that has fought to lower the age of consent across the nation for decades. This is entirely on brand for what we've seen them fight for in public, and if you're aware of the 50-60 plus pages of Republican sex pests, completely unsurprising.
It makes more sense when you realise that it’s about oppression, power, and creating scapegoats. Hitler’s closest allies were the not-exactly-Aryan Japanese.
And it’s not like they won’t all turn on each other eventually, anyway. So why not have some strange bedfellows along the way?
Supporting Zionism while being actively antisemitic is a handy way for Nazis to encourage jewish people to segregate themselves. Zionism presents a potentially attractive place to go, and then aggressive antisemitism gives them a reason to leave. The two are not so radically opposed.
This is starting to fracture a bit with right wing traitor lunatics, but it’s for two main reasons. For some, it’s just about access to Middle East energy resources. That’s the main reason that US policy is to support Israel.
The other thing is for true believing traitor lunatics. They think that Israel needs to exist for the rapture to occur. I don’t remember the details but this is a big part of evangelical support.
Either way, absolute lunacy, but at least if we managed to wean off fossil fuels, support for Israel would evaporate.
It says so much about the Republican Party that they're defending these limpdick fifth-graders instead of saying: "You know what? We don't like these pathetic little shit-stains either."
all of us here on lemmy got a list of all your embarrassing moments (including that time you spilled manicotti down the inside of your shirt) didn't you hear?
I'm getting so fucking tired of libs' satisfaction with hypocrisy. We already knew these people were Nazis, they've always fucking been Nazis. They say they aren't because gaslighting is a fascist tactic and open support of Nazism doesn't ring with racist middle class people who only have their internalized values to run on. Whenever chuds are caught lying there's thousands of lib gotcha posts like it's a victory.
Why do people on Lemmy always find a way to make everything about liberals? That’s what I’m getting tired of.
Whenever something happens, people come up saying “well yeah, liberals suck”. How is that better than the thing you’re arguing against?
If you’re tired of “satisfaction with hypocrisy” of one group, what is your prefered group doing? Is there someone actually doing something about it? Because I only see people writing stuff on internet forums, regardless of their affiliation.
Liberalism is hegemonic and its subscribers wield the greatest power over society.
Something being bad is not dependent on something else being good.
Everything that alleviates the harm of this system on me -- voting rights, property and employment protection, food regulation, socialized Healthcare, socialized education -- was all won with the blood of anarchists, socialists, and unionists.
My "preferred group" -- whatever the fuck that means -- is currently fighting liberals, as we've always done.
Cool, what about the past three decades? Libs have allowed fascists into power as they always do and I've lived through three decades of them only talking. Reveling in hypocrisy is too late and too satisfying to people who don't feel genuinely threatened.
Jesus fucking christ if I had a nickel for every lib that didn't know what liberalism even is. Shut the fuck up about people online, you're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about.
So yeah, i'm not american but i gotta tell you "the libs allow this! The libs allowed that!!" Is a total whingeing scapegoat attempt.
You literally vote in every single rep on multiple levels in the US. As in you, the people. You vote from councilmembers all the way up to congress members. And trying to blame a single political party for the people you literally vote into power is big ol' pile of shite.
You have a vote. You have more than two parties. But you always blame just one set of politics when your shit goes sideways. What the hell is up with that.
Who the fuck are you talking to rn? I'm not in the US.
edit: On top of that, it's hilarious to have yet another person fail to understand what liberalism is. Did I say, "Democratic Party of the USA"? Liberalism is not a specific group of politicians in one country, it is also not specific parties who call themselves liberals, it is a specific ideology organized around individualism and capital that emerged through settler colonialism. Shut the FUUUUUUCK up about shit you don't know about like how self-righteous. Go proselytize on street corners if you're so desperate.
Liberalism and liberal parties are very very different things across the world. One example is the liberal party in Australia, who are infamously right wing. Liberalism meaning the left as opposed to the right is absolutely a US idea.
So if you don't want people thinking you're in the US, maybe don't use their terminology and specific political constructs.
Pompous. THAT'S STILL LIBERALISM YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER.
AI levels of incoherence there but this site is small enough and your post history is varied enough that I believe this is truly just an igorant and satisfied person.
Have you considered once in your entire bubble-wrapped life that the language you have been given to understand politics purposefully made you unable to interpret -- and therefore criticize -- the policies and philosophies in the systems of power around you? These are all liberal parties. Liberalism is not when you say the rainbow capitalism or let the raciazlied people bomb kids too, though they certainly seek to appropriate ideas of social justice and civil progress. It is a durable and dominant ideology with individualism and capitalism as its primary organizing principles. Morality is written around the imperatives of infinite growth, wealth accumulation (extraction), and individual human bodies rather than human relationalities to each other and the land/spaces they exist in. "Right wing" or "left wing" is relevant only in the purposefully disarming rhetoric adopted in settler-colonial states to obfuscate that dominance. When people correctly identify that liberals, as in liberalism not as in the colloquial term for "not a Republican Party supporter," do not challenge fascism, they are identifying that the material interests of liberals does not conflict with the overt racism and authoritarianism of fascists. Australia is a country dominated by liberalism in the same way the US, and Canada are all dominated by liberalism as these are all eurosettler countries that hold individualism and capitalism as the highest principle in their social and political systems.
Racism is fundamental to liberalism as capitalism depends on an exploitable class of people and race allows for a naturalized and immutable justification for exploitation of particular groups. Queerphobia is fundamental to liberalism as the hierarchy which is necessary to facilitate exploitation must control how people reproduce culturally as well as physically. Civil rights for racialized and queer people in these systems is articulated through the legal right to access capital both as a way to protect this imperative from violent challenges and redirect the threat these movements pose into the legal framework of the state to better control them.
"Sweetie," you have to fucking think about what these people and systems actually do and why. **You do not know what you are fucking talking about. ** When I say liberals are fucking insufferable because they never know what they're talking about and what the stakes are in the rise of fascism, I'm talking about you. I do not care what you think you subscribe to, because you've said as explicitly as possible that you do not care to know what you believe in.
I will not pay attention to your next comment, I won't even read it. I post this only in the hopes that you aren't some piece of shit who will never learn and in case there are other libs who may come across this comment thread and have their own internalized values challenged for once.
Your most recent comment advocates for ableism. I couldn't find a more perfect example of how brutal libs are.
The guys already a Nazi, disability did not make him a Nazi. Being a Nazi is more than enough to make fun of and it's a choice too, so you can do that without also inadvertently devaluing of an entire group of people.
Iirc (don't quote me on this) during reconstruction after the Civil War many black Americans had little land (if any) and watermelon was an easy crop for limited land. Racist white people then associated the fruit with those they hate.
You got it, but you left out some details. The watermelon was actually a symbol of hope and prosperity for the recently freed slaves. The former slave owners, didnt like it. So, owning the media of the time, they started running ads showing caricatures of black people eating watermelon like animals. It took less then 10 years for the belief to become common that it was always a racist trope.
See also, fried chicken. That one came from Birth of a Nation. Both of these racist stereotypes persist today. I know the black community in America wanted to reclaim the N word, but IMO, they should have reclaimed the Watermelon as the symbol of freedom and perseverance that it once was for that first generation of freed slaves who over came massive hurdles to make a life for themselves.
To give you an idea of just how bad it was, there was a story about a woman who was a nanny for a young boy. When she was freed, and had to leave the boy cried and was utterly distraught that she was leaving. A few years later that young boy met his nanny again. The woman was overjoyed to see him and asked if he'd like to share some watermelon with him. His reply? "I dont eat n***** food.". Thats the power of the media, and then it was only a few newspapers. Just imagine what its doing to us all today.
The fried chicken and watermelon thing is the stupidest thing in the world. Everyone loves these things. Every single culture in the entire world has its own fried chicken dish.
Because the technical definition of 'liberal' is somebody who has buy in to the idealogy of liberalism^1^. According to the original left vs. right wing of the French National Assembly "liberals" were left wing and "conservatives", aka monarchists, were right wing.
That was nearly 250 years ago.
In the modern era where monarchies are mostly extinct the way that an individual achieves the modern equivalent of the "divine right of kings" is via the "right to private property". So both it and conservatism are fighting to fill the niche that once held the monarchists, the fight is whether it should be wealthy corporations or a religious monarchy that fills it. It should go without saying that these are both extremely far right positions.
^1^ also worth reading a bit about the technical definition/understandings of neoliberalism
Liberal is sort of two separate things - a brand adopted by usually a party that markets itself as socially progressive and a philosophy of property forward law that creates a punch out of individual rights to citizens (and to a much lesser extent subgroups) to things like freedom of movement, freedom from unlawful seizure of property, freedom of expression and "style of life".
If you have existed on the outside of the left wing you might only be familiar with the brand aspect. The criticism of the wider left in general of these "Liberal" branded parties is that they are often performative in their progressive nature. The brand is just marketing.
The hotbutton discussion however inside the wider left in regards to the political philosophy of Libralism is that both the Republicans and Democrats are by technical definition Liberals and that base philosophy has within it the political prerogative of constantly upholding protections on keeping the absurd aggregation of wealth in private firms (something Libralism at it's core is designed to do). A large number of different leftist philosophies see this as a core problem. Therefore in leftist spaces self identifying Liberals are usually flagged as dupes of a branded center-right party - not as progressives who support social causes of wider acceptance.
Libralism as a philosophy is kind of the air we breathe. It's not left nor right. It creates a body of individual rights but Capitalism is used as a measure of what constitutes personal autonomy. Someone dying from a lack of success is acceptable because at it's core Liberalism is designed to coerce (most) people to perform perpetual labour in return for protection inside the system. The system creates classes of people who are citizens who are protected and by doing so it creates exceptions to citizenhood (like prisoners, refugees, immigrants or indigenous peoples) who can be exploited.
Most Democracies are philosophically a sort of blended patchwork of Liberalism and Socialism with some other stuff mixed in. The two are either compatible or opposing depending on which school of Socialism you are talking about.
That actually makes a lot of sense. Thank you. I was raised very conservative, migrated libratarian, and am slowly leaning more libertarian socially but centrist economically. Where I'm from "Liberal" is sort of an insult for the far left so it's weird to see it used within the left. I've never seen that before.
Yeah "Liberal" as an insult from a Conservative from the leftist perspective is very funny and also sad. Conservatives often utilize the wrong terms for things which muddy the waters and make it harder for their flock to swap sides because messing around with diction makes following leftist discussion impossible if you have an understanding of the terms gleaned from a non-academic source.
Take the term "neo-liberal" the right uses it in its most literal translation to mean "new liberal" and uses it to evoke the far end of the progressive spectrum of the left.
In actuality the term was coined in the Reagan/Thatcher era to mean the sort of generally conservative policy of privatizing swaths of government services entirely, defunding government social programs, removing regulations/ depowering regulatory bodies and practicing so called "trickle down economics" policies. The philosophical term is frozen in time just the same way terms like "neolithic" or "neoclassical art" is. Republicans are literally more Neo-Liberal than the Democrats (who are sort of more passively status quo preserving liberal. Neo-liberal mostly by virtue of inaction. )
Linguistically the well is very poisoned. The left wing could try adopting new terms but the right wing is faster to disseminate their counter to that by just creating new bastardized meanings of the terms because the right has a more unified media structure. The left is fractured. It deals often with trying new things rather than preserving status quo which means it exists in a lot of subgroups.
I don't know the specific context you're looking at but when liberal is used on Lemmy as a derogatory it's generally directed at those affiliated with, say, the Democratic party (of America). ITT some comments are drily pointing out that this isn't a good "gotcha" comic because it is objectively obvious what the right's agenda has been this whole time, to the point that calling it out is essentially an empty gesture.
The way I interpret it, it's like when Homophobes call each other f***ts. Homphobes hate being called gay slurs. So essentially the same people don't like being called gay slurs or Liberal.
As someone who has been in both right wing and left wing group chats, the right wing ones are usually more tame...
Granted, the right wing ones were for Christians, but Christians tend to be conservative. Even came across someone on here the other day calling for a genocide of devout Christians.
Okay there was an indian guy who joined once claiming to be a Christian but had a visceral, genocidal hatred of Muslims. We rebuked him with Scripture to the point he renounced the faith, and then we banned him.
I dont know. On one hand we have cunts wearing red hats and chatting shit about "men in dresses". And on the other we have blue haired land whales chatting shit about how being "male and pale is stale". I think everyone is just a cunt at this point. And while we dont have an easily recognisable name for it like "nazi", the other side of the CULTure wars would be every bit the horror show the red hat wearing pricks would be if left unchecked in power.
Yeah, thats right. Im both sidesing this mother fucker. I dont care what tragic cult script youve got lined up, ready to go. The fact is, anyone who takes part in the culture wars is a cunt. No ifs, no ands, no buts. Red hats and pick up trucks, or blue hair and septum rings. Youre all toxic and cringe.
Bernie Sanders: Total Blue Haired Land Whale. Can hardly hear him talk over the clank of all his facial piercings. Trynna give everyone healthcare and stop the tidal wave of money rushing out of the pockets of working people into the ever expanding hoards of billionaires. So problematic.
Do you think the MAGAs consider Trump, Hegseth, or these chucklefuck MAGAlings as the worst of them or the best of them? Pit the right's "Best" against the left's "Best" and you make sir/madam Sparkly Fart's point.
A lot of them probably do, yes. Doesnt make them correct. And we arent talking about MAGA, we are talking about Republicans. I know thats REAL fucking hard for your cult warped brain to see the distinction, but its there.
The obvious example is John McCain. When his supporters were chatting shit about Obama, he shut that shit down. Told it like it was, that he was a good man that he just happened to disagree with on some issues. Those kinds of republicans are still around. But you dont care about that, because youre the same time of inbred fuck up that he had to shut down when they were chatting shit about Obama. You just dont see it, because youre head is filled with cult nonsense. Just like the MAGA brain rot is filled with their cult nonsense.
Newsflash for you, chief. You are the thing you hate.
It's pretty telling that your example of a prominent non-MAGA type republican died 7 years ago. What Republicans support is MAGA. Otherwise they could hold MAGA people responsible for their clear crimes and moral failings.
That was my obvious example. So I wouldnt be called a liar, because him doing that is widely known about. Whats telling is that you just did the every thing Im accusing you of, and you think its fucking fine.
I'll grant you that McCain was probably the highwater mark for the GOP in recent history, but I think its pretty clear how MAGA views him today (I think "loser" and "RINO" were bandied about pretty often)
Take a look out your window at who is running this shitshow, and believe them when they tell you who they are, or keep pretending it's everyone else who is brainwashed. Your call, "chief".
I wouldnt know who the worst or best is, I just know that being republican doesnt make you a nazi anymore than being a democrat does. And thats really my point. All too often we see the worst example of something, anything, and one side of the dumb as fuck culture war grabs on to it for dear life like its an example of the whole group.
I mean, people do make the connection just being white makes you a nazi. Do you agree with that? Does being American make you fat and thick? Does being British mean you dont know what toothpaste tastes like? Does being German mean you make gay scat porn? Does being a woman mean you want kids? Does being a man mean you like power drills? Does being gay mean you dont like sports? Doest being straight mean you do like sports?
I want people held to account for their own actions. Thats it. Thats the world I want to live in. Not this bastion of virtue, where everyone is just a cunt based on whatever other cunt they share something with.
And Id also argue that Bernie was a poor example. As that man is not part of the culture wars. Hes left wing in a country that has two right parties. He didnt celebrate the murder of Charlie Kirk, and instead spoke out against it. The culture warriors are nothing like Bernie. They are cult followers, looking to gain up arrows across various platforms to gain the illusion of self worth. Right, left, doesnt matter. Everything one side says about the other, can be said about both. Cancel culture, both sides do that. Rape and death threats on twitter? Both sides do that. It really doesnt matter what side you are on, if you are in the culture wars, youre already part of the problem.
I really don't see it this way. Sorry. The right wants culture wars to be done by government, the left wants culture to move towards a more fair and free society where people aren't held back from opportunities because of biases around their identity. These are very different.
And, no one in power on the left talks like those who in power on the right. The President has called half the country terrorists. Its insane and so much more one sided than you are saying.
I know you dont. Thats the problem. "The right" wants straight white males in all their tv shows, and "the left" wants straight white males to never be in any tv show again. Anyone who isnt part of the culture wars, just wants a good tv show/movie to watch.
The issue with American politics is that you think you have a left wing party fighting for you. You dont. You never did. What you have is one party running rings around everyone else because they are going hard into the social media aspect of things. The dems arent. They are still holding the pocket of hollywood, or at least being seen to. This is the same hollywood that keeps on trying to lecture us on being good people, while ignoring sexual assaults because it helps their career. People, arent buying that shit any more.
Then on top of that, you have cunts like Nancy Pelosi who are holding back people like Bernie and AOC who actually are the future and change that Americans have been screaming out for, for over a decade. Just last year that woman fucked AOC out of a committee seat that would have put her in great place to push for a presidential run. Maybe even as soon as 2028 but 100% for 2032. But because AOC wont play the game for the party leaders or their rich donors, she got robbed of a seat that was vacated for her. The plan was that the 60 year old guy would step down so that the seat could be filled by a someone young with new fresh ideas. But once Nancy found out, she made sure that the seat went to a 75 year old dude with fucking cancer. And he fucking died 4 months later! So instead of a 35 year old women in her prime that is, whether they like it or not, the future of the party. They inserted a dying fucking man. And you know what? They STILL wont let her have the fucking seat.
Now go back to 2016. America is screaming out for change. On one side you have Trump, chatting shit about draining the swamp. On the other side you have Hilary... Who is part of the fucking swamp that everyone wants rid of. Bernie, who got fucked over by the DNC, would have beat Trump with ease. Even fucking Republicans were saying they would vote for Bernie. But no, because he wasnt going to bend the knee. If it wasnt for the Dems rigging that shit, the world would NEVER have known what a Trump presidency looks like.
Now fast forward to 2020. Theres something like, 17 fucking dems up for the nom. It was a crazy number. But every single one of them, had a free healthcare plan for Americans. Including Harris, which is something to remember. Pelosi, told them all to take a big step back so that Biden got the nom. The bullshit they spun was that he was the only one who could be Trump. The actual issue? He was the only one that didnt have a free healthcare plan. He was happy to leave things fucked.
Now its 2024, Biden is fucked in the head because hes old as shit. And Harris is just given the nom. But did you notice? No free healthcare plan anymore. It was replaced with some watered down shit about lowering insulin costs. And was she talking change? Nope. She was getting the hollywood fuck wits to rap about all the shit people cant stand about modern hollywood, while she went around business people making herself look like the perfect republican.
If you wanna tell me that MAGA is full cunts, Ill agree with you. If you are trying to tell me that Dems are the heroes of this tale, well, sorry. But that just doesnt pass the sniff test.
And this whole dog shit about a fair society is just that, its dog shit. Its about virtue signalling and hate and for some weird fucking reasons, asking 12/13 year old boys if they are gay or not...
This is not fucking normal. This is fucking weird. And if this shit is the "progress" you are pushing, then Ill stand against until I die of a stroke or something.
No, Im surrounded by morons who think the worst version of a group is reprehensive of that whole group. You do it, they do it, everyone is doing it. Seeing this nest of nazi fuckwits is bad enough. But youre all treating it like its exposing the whole of the other side. Its the same energy that sees people say "the jews control all the money". What, all of them? Every single Jew? Well, that must be some size of table they all sit round when talking about what to do with it.
Next you'll be telling me all black guys are paedos because Diddy is...
I am not smarty than everyone else. Only a prick would make such a claim. Theres plenty of intelligent people around lemmy, just because you dont count yourself among them... is a you problem.
Of all the things you could have said to grab some free worthless internet points, that might just be the weakest. You can do better. I believe in you. Come on, dude. You got this.
Most ultra leftists are horrible by themselves and would do the exact same thing, and a lot of the politically correctness bullshit from years ago caused many people to vote trump back then.
When Dani Lalonders said that she didnt hire white people because they "created unsafe working environments", you all said that was fine. It was like a white woman saying she crosses the street when she see a black guy because she doesnt feel safe. Its racism then, but not when it was Dani. I wonder why that is? Why is it ok for some people to be racist, but not others? Could it be, because you are all in fucking cult? And the only real difference between you is the colour of whatever is on your head?
I dont know how you got that from what I said, but youre half right. Im Scottish. Im as left wing as you can get without sporting a shitty moustache. And thats actual left wing, not that right wing ghoulish shit you Americans pretend is left wing.
I have zero issues with anyone coming here. The more the merrier. So, now what you got? What keen insights of the American fuck wit can I expect next?
bro I just realized you arent even the person i was originally talkkng to, who the fuck are you? I literally don't care about your opinion but the guy I originally commented on. The guy I was talking to I am betting is a liberal right winger. Dont care about your stances
It’s best to just block Benny, he’s not just a white European who hates immigrants, he’s a white European who hates immigrants, women, and anyone of a different shade than he is. He’s a proper cunt.
It's a frustrating echo chamber here. I'm trans and there is tons of extremism from specifically other people in my community. I'm left leaning ( left leaning centrist? ) and people are too tribal when it comes to partisan politics to see the extremity on their 'side'.
The modern political landscape sees people othering their 'enemy'. Understanding them as 'dumb' or 'terrible people', with a complete lack of empathy for their humanity.
Republicans are people too, frequently misguided, and that's a sad thing. I feel sad for them, they deserve my pity, they are lost.
Can you share an example of extremism from left wing politicians or senior party members in the US to illustrate your point? Because it doesn't sound like you're comparing apples to apples.
This comic is making reference to real comments made by a real Republican group that's existed since the 50s and is the national youth wing of the Republican party - many of the people exposed in the leaked chats currently work directly for senators and government bodies.
All femimist authors attract a following of dudes who, despite not being antifeminist when asked, somehow always manage to find abnormal amounts of energy to repeatedly and loudly criticize them for objective faults.
Energy and time they rarely manage to find for criticizing authors who are not feminist.
Thank God we have Ilovethebomb to give us the braindead anti-feminist take--it complements the comic quite well, really. Racism and extremism were in ample supply thanks to the young Republicans she quoted, but it was the lack of sexism that made the picture feel incomplete. Chef's kiss, sir/madame
I'm sorry, did these men not already demonize themselves enough to make it clear who they are? I saw this comic as more as an observation than an attempt to insult. She didn't demonize them, their actions did
It's a fucking bummer that the people here don't know how much of a Karen pizzacake is. I literally just wrote a long ass comment yesterday about why she in particular is a piece of shit. I know for some it really is the OF/blatant misogyny, but I really think people underestimate how shitty her takes are and the lengths she'll go to silence her critics through legal action or bans. People like her are part of the reason why Reddit is so god awful.
I've read the exchange and she comes off mostly reasonable, and clearly fatigued. Summary follows.
::: spoiler This is the kind of content (sorry, spoilers don't work on mobile).
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She got sick of having to personally chase down and ask for removal of each offensive (to her) posts from BoneHurtingJuice after asking mods to handle it (with guidlines) for many months. They didn't, instead they posted her request publicly after she explicitly asked them not to "lest it draw additional ire from BHG users". It drew considerable attacks and she even had her patreon taken down by mass false reports for a while. She finally gave up on individual post modding and requested posts of her art to be banned entirely on the subreddit rules. The lone moderator said no, we will only remove individual posts, and "I'll only remove your content if there is a significant majority in favour [on the subreddit]", and if that's not good enough then "if you want to file DMCAs or whatever then be my guest". That is 1) empty promise as the mod knew her edited content was very popular, 2) a shit response for a mod to make to that request from the artist. So she filed DCMAs and lo and behold the mod made a blanket ban on her art for the sub - I guess it was possible.
Sounds exhausting on her behalf and just looking at the comments on the BHJ threads and applying just a sprinkle of empathy I believe she's not wrong - they're toxic and many of them come across as fairly entitled edgelord kids.
It's a fucking bummer that the people here don't know how much of a Karen pizzacake is. I literally just wrote a long ass comment yesterday about why she in particular is a piece of shit.
People here might not think that because uhhh.. this community is less toxic.
Top comment was a male SA survivor, pizzacake argued her misandry in a really sarcastic and insincere way ("men are even worse to men"), and then the mods banned the user and nuked the comment section.
If you go there, it's been entirely scrubbed of criticism.
This is what triggered her low faith response. I think going back and reading her tone worth context actually matters. The DMCA is absolutely bullshit. Even if you don't like what someome says, fair use is fair use. She took advantage of her status and weilded to her full extent because of course she did--she's an asshole.
A while has passed and she finally rescinded her threats, but her comics remain banned due to the lingering resent of the community.
I don't condone mysogony or misandry, speaking as a male victim myself. I've noticed she's removed some of her god awful takes, but man she really pisses me off. I mostly agree with her poltically and don't give a damn about her OF. I just don't want to be lumped with the incels, which she has effectively done for her critics.
I mean I read through the link your provided in your initial comment to explain your anger. If I missed context it's because there was no further additional context provided at the time - onus is on you making the claim, not me. But ok you've got more..
So I'm looking through the first comments section link and images for the misandry. Yeah, those jokes could be taken as borderline misandrist - I can see how some would interpret it that way. I can see how many would not - as ive heard many guys speak that way about women over my life. I can also see how they are possibly being misinterpreted - most of the comments are saying "men actually do get told these comments all the time".. And well I have spend a lot of time with a lot of women, and currently live with three.. And this just isn't my experience at all. As an example I have heard a lot of sympathy and empathy for bald men and guys that wear toupees. It's not that women do not ever make these statements, but to pass them off as 'common' and 'the norm' like these commenters are is very weird to me as misandry has been a rarity in my life - and yes, I went to college, and spend a lot of time around self-professed feminists. I didn't always agree with their opinions but we had good discussions that were not attacks or the vilification of all men, just around understanding one another's issues.
Looking through the thread comments there is actually a real "mens rights" undercurrent, anti-feminism and misogyny in the comments. I don't have to dig deep in the thread either: top comment "As for the appearances, we are mocked relentlessly for trying too hard to modify our appearances." Really? Not in my experience. That'd be unusual and rude.
Third from top comment: "It's supposed to be an example of how women don't act, right? But they do all of that more than men do, it seems." Riiiight. I'm getting a vibe here.
I'm not familiar with the "LeftWingMaleAdvocates" sub reddit, mostly because Reddit is a cesspool I have avoided for years now, but these are not sounding like left-wing opinions at all. so what's the vibe of their userbase.. Let's check overlap of users on LWMA with other subreddit to see what else they post on..
Ah yes, MGTOW, mensrights, menslib, 'kotaku/tumblr/socialjusticeinaction', 'pussypassdenied', 'stupidpol', 'shitpoliticssays' and a bunch of other right wing and incel subs that spend most of their time attempting to dump on feminists, social justice advocates, and anyone left-wing. Totally subs that 'left-wing male advocates' would be involved with.
Bro this 'evidence' is hot trash, and you say this is it after "it's been scrubbed of criticism" by the mods? I can only imagine how bad it was before. I'm not bothering to look further into your supplied links, don't have all day to read mens rights activists talking crap about some webcomic lady.
I mean, I didn't provide a lot initially and that's on me, and I think you're being sincere and I appreciate you're perspective. I didn't look onto leftwing male sub at all, I trusted without further research, my bad. I agree that it's disappointing to see so much incels in the comments, they completely validate her deflections. Even so, I can pretty clearly give the rundown of why I see her this way.
She abused DMCA. This is bad for fair use. Fair use protects artists ability to speak freely. I'm also an artist so this hits close to home. You can't attack people for disagreeing with you (it's illegal).
Regardless, she targeted the mods. The benefit to this is by eliminating all her content, she made all criticism disappear. Her choice in target was also an issue. Why go after BHJ and not other discriminatory hangouts on reddit? Is it because what they post is perceived as credible? Personally, I believe the mods were diligent, and I think so did she, which resulted in more valid criticism to rise to the top, and motivated her to go after this sub in particular.
She also deflected blame to incels through posting. Hater comics, responses in comments, and the implicit brigading. The comics mods are a bunch of simps. She used them to blanket ban tons of people who clearly didn't deserve it. I think this is easy to miss, but she really doubles down on some shitty takes and dissenters get nuked by downvotes. Hivemind also happens here, but not nearly to the same degree.
You can try to percieve all these actions in good faith. I don't. Her overreactions are in line with someone who is desparately insecure and controlling. I think the only reason we give a damn about this conversation is the same reason we ended up on lemmy—putting your eggs all in one basket. Comics has a lot of great work which is not so great if a mod bans you for not liking pizzacake.
I think you probably understand where I'm coming from if you got this far, and I truly appreciate your time to read this because I spent an embarrassing amount of time writing this. If you still disagree, I can't say I blame you. This really is a rabbit hole for me to hyperfixate on. Either way, I think I got what I needed off my chest.
Thanks for your response, I honestly enjoy trying to understand other people's opinions and you are clearly coming at this from a different experience to me. I dont draw comics or frequent their subreddits. I agree on her DCMA action being abusive of that system, and I don't like it either - for me her behaviour is however softened somewhat by the fact a mod rejecting her proposal to remove her work suggested DCMA requests as her next step if she was unhappy with their response though.
If she was intending to maliciously use DMCAs as a tactic though, it's weird that she hasn't gone after other subreddits after that win in the following year - if she was successful with DCMA takedowns on BHJ, why not go after r/comedynecrophilia next for instance? I don't know what she decided, but it does seem like even prior to this affair she got a special kind of vitriol directed to her work that I just never understood (last time I was on Reddit regularly was late 2022 which was prior to any of this). Quickly looking on comedynecro they seem to constantly use her work and most of its pretty negative, so perhaps she is afraid of encouraging more blowback.. Either way it must be pretty exhausting for (iirc?) some 1-person webcomic who has to engage with the community.
I personally find her work pretty average (some is good but mostly just ok or meh), so I think I'm at my limit for going into the weeds on her personal reddit dramas. I take your position as sincere and it is a lot more nuanced than I thought at first, appreciate your time explaining it and I hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend.
To be honest, this has always kinda been how the conservatives in the US talk when they're by themselves. I grew up in the 70s and heard it quite often from uptight assholes on the right.
It's not anything new, really. It's just that today the communications, instead of being face to face, are online and they leave records of their conversations.
Bigoted jackasses, gonna jackass.
Seconded, my experience as well.
Same and it all begins around middle school when white kids start really being openly racist around their fellow whites like myself.
Someone at home must be acting like that and teaching that behaviour to them.
Not necessarily. It’s the internet turning them into this for the last 20+ years or so because most white boys have had internet access longer than any other group of people.
I had the same experience with racist kids growing up. That was long enough ago that only nerdy kids like me cared about using the internet.
Honestly, middle school kids usually aren't good at hiding that kind of behaviour from their parents. Any decent parent would slap the proverbial shit out of their kid for it.
A viciously racist 10-13 year old kid will almost always have tacit or direct approval from their parents.
But you are right, I am certain that the internet today has been making it worse.
It’s especially making it worse with algorithms that affirm their beliefs so they don’t encounter as many differing views. The mass manipulation of children on a global scale scares the shit out of me.
No. I was legitimately shocked the first time I heard these things, as I switched schools.
I stayed shocked until today, though I’ve had to keep hearing it in my small town. For a while in the early 2000s, it got a bit better, but starting in 2016 it ramped up to 1980s levels again.
As a designer doing advertising work, a local bakery rebranded themselves and asked me in 2017 to redo their logo to Kathy’s Korner baKery, for instance. Of course I wouldn’t, but nobody would have asked me to do that before.
Back in the 80s/early 90s I would have seen shit like that, but not in the early to mid 2000s.
From my (very white girl) perspective, it seems some people have hit middle age and desperately want to return to their teens when that abhorrent behaviour was okay. Their personality has become wrapped up in it, and they think being asked to care about others is a judgement on their soul (it is, and they’re awful people), so they’re lashing out.
They don’t understand they can learn and grow, and instead feel everyone has turned against them, so they’re doubling down. It’s actually sad.
I fully agree with everything you said. Do you mean that children aren't necessarily learning racism from their parents because they are learning to be racist from society as a whole?
Maybe I'm wrong about parenthood, but I would like to believe that any openly racist 10-13 year old kid must have racist parents, simply because any decent parent would catch on and stamp that behaviour out.
Those pathetic, racist, middle aged people who are trying to relive their teenage years? I just met a few people like that. You're right on the money. Those people had children too.
No, children are learning this from their parents, but society as a whole is moving on from this, and some insular communities are getting butthurt over it. This is part of what’s fuelling their xenophobia, actually.
Not all of them, and it probably varies by geography (getting worse the further south you go), but yeah most of them.
this is a perfect example of just because it's well known doesn't make it fact.
now that there is evidence, it's a fact.
Republicans are a party of Nazis.
The question remains: What are the real americans going to do about it?
It's not going to get better by itself, and the rest of the world can't just come over and fix it.
This was news to the people who needed to hear it
It's another notch in the wall. We all wish the wall would come down already... But it will be painfully slow and all encompassing
But every notch does matter
They have to be run out town and any that have acted on their murderous desires need to be tried for their crimes. It makes more sense why USAID was shut down though. These people are part of a death cult and the conspiracy theories are just an attempt to sanitize the murderous plans to gullible people.
a third of Americans voted for this and another third couldn't be assed to stop it. this is what "real Americans" want
These are the real americans..
You think this isn't happening in the rest of the world?
No, the things that are happening in the US right now is not really comparable to things happening in any other Western democracy. All countries have their issues, but this blatant fascist takeover occurring in the US right now is quite unique.
But it is a cautionary tale. Other countries aren't trying very hard to stifle their growing far-right movements and will end up the same way if they keep giving them legitimacy. They could also more openly condemn the fascist USA instead of treating Trump as acceptable and allowing him the usual respectful state visits.
Whataboutism...
That's not whataboutism at all. I'm not downplaying the US's extreme fascism in any way. I'm saying that it's not an isolated case.
So you're just saying that america isn't the only one; what about other countries.
Who do you think is financing all the far right parties in the world?
mexico? peru? canada?
One of these ubermensch
14 or 40.
yes
Yes, as always, the master race: fat, balding, and utterly insignificant without the inbred assurance that their skin color is some kind of achievement.
It's ironic that the greatest achievements of the white "race" (race in quotes since it's not a real thing) have been in the realm of technology, yet the most advanced thing these inbred fucks have ever achieved is mounting big flags in the backs of their trucks.
Know what you're getting at and you seem to address this but I wouldn't attribute any achievement to the white race. That feeds into the Nazi narrative. Every achievement is an adaptation of or a step forward from ancient human wisdom. The concept of zero, which is foundational to all modern mathematics and technology, was derived from the spiritual and philosophical practices of people in South Asia. The precursors of the printing press were developed by people in China partly due to the rapid expansion of Buddhism creating a high demand for sutras.
Many of the mathematic "developments" of Fibonacci, for example, were already known in the Arabian peninsula, after having been transferred from South Asia and further developed. He learned Arabic in order to being them to the West. The infinite series for trigonometric functions (precursors to calculus) were also known in South Asia and the Arab peninsula before being ?discovered independently in Europe (its unknown if this knowledge transferred).
Finally I'll end with the fact that both the industrial revolution and enlightenment occurred on the back of colonial exploitation. It was the relative luxury and advatantage of having people working the fields in a distant nation that allowed for the technological development that led to the industrial revolution in the west. It was the relative luxury, at the cost of back breaking labor in the colonies, that allowed for people to meet in salons and cafes and discuss/propogate enlightenment values. There's some debate that enlightenment values may have developed in part due to contact with Indigineous people in the Americas since precivilization cultures are inherently more egalitarian and democratic (as communal interdependence is absolutely crucial to survival).
My larger point is that these are human / global achivements. The idea that no attribution can be given to those who paid for them in their blood is an imperialist one. And the last thing we want to do is empower fascists / imperialists.
You've already acknowledged so just expanding on your point!
Yeah, I agree with everything you've said. I mainly just wanted to make fun of that flag-in-truck bullshit.
The very notion that someone would take some kind of credit for technological advancement because they share a similar skin color with a random visionary makes me want to communicate non-verbally with these douche bags in a very forceful way.
If you catch my drift.
And most of them were Scots who aren't even really human!
Real ‘Jared of Subway’ vibes there buddy.
someone needs to teach him how to button a blazer ffs
Not shown, but I would bet my 401k that his pants are way too long.
yes that's his main problem. his blazer has two buttons and he's done them both up
Are we sure that's not a robot controlled by Pinky and the Brain?
He said “Missouri don’t like f**s.”
When I was growing up and people were referred to as “f***y” for how they looked, he would have been called that.
the fine aryan physique and race
Fucked that they don't even have to exaggerate. The literal quotes are so absurdly vile that they can't be outdone.
They’re not joking. They’re literally starting a genocide and a fascist military police state in front of our eyes
For a decade, I have been begging anyone who will listen to believe Trump et al. whenever they threaten someone. I swear that the only time Trump tells the truth is when he promises violence, retribution, or lawbreaking.
"I love Hitler," Republicans,
probablyactuallyAre those actual leaked quotes on the right?? Good lord!!
In case you haven't seen the report,
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-young-gop-club-members-00592146
Thank you.
I’m stunned.
The right will boys will be boys this shit until the skies fill with the smoke of voters.
I'm not. Kids did this shit all the time in middle and high school. These people just never ran into any kind of push back or experienced maturity
My husband is a high school teacher. He's had more than a decade of students saying Nazi shit in an attempt to be "edgy." They seem surprised when he calls them out on their bullshit. His response has made a few (probably too few) of them think twice about how people perceive them because of their words.
Last year was the first time he had a student who spouted that crap because he actually believed it. I think he has a couple of students now who actively identify as fascists. Times, they are a-changin'.
So what is his go-to response?
Sometimes it's "being edgy just for the sake of it isn't cool. Don't be an idiot; people fought wars over this." Students generally respect him, so once they realize he doesn't play that game, they stop doing it in his classes.
If it's a specific kind of bigotry, he points out that someone important to him is black/gay/trans/an immigrant/etc, and asks the kid if they've even met someone in that group. Most of the time the kid hasn't and they're just parroting things they've heard at home or online.
That sounds like a really good strategy, I like it. Also he must be a good teacher to be respected like that. Thank you both for being the good guys.
None of them were kids, which is sad, but I get your point. If, as kids with this mentality, were never punished or corrected it just carries over.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/10/republican-hitler-group-chat-nazi-politico/
They all were at some point.
For a lot of these 4chan-tier chuds, the behavior was likely rewarded and encouraged. That's how you get Charlie Kirk and Nick Fuentes tier freaks. We are quite literally paying these people to exist and reproduce.
Glad I was homeschooled then
YMMV. It's more you should be grateful you didn't have racist parents.
Vance already said it was kids doing dumb kid things. They're not kids. They're adults. If you're old enough to vote, your a freaking adult. If you can fight and die in the military, you're an adult. You never see anyone say oh those are just kid soldiers doing kid soldiers things. No because they're adults who are responsible for their own actions and words.
And not even 'technically 19 years olds are adults' type adults, these are men aged 25-34 who posted that shit.
No Kings this Saturday! Show up!
I thought the comics was clumsy satire. Turns out it's basically straight infographics at this point.
Great.
I recognize a couple of them from an article, so I think they are.
Verified in New York Times. The graphic of the bubbles comes from politico.
germans far right is exactly the same. leaked chats showed the most vile disgusting shit. but the sad part is, that you don't even need those leaked chats. official politicians suggested shooting at immigrants, killing opponents and getting rid of our grundgesetz (which resembles your constitution).
but ask "moderate" if we should use our law that allows us to prohibit parties that clearly attack our grundgesetz and they will come up with the law of free speech (which doesn't apply in this case). the irony: the far right already made clear that free speech of the first thing to go when they are in charge.
for gods sake read some karl popper: you can't tolerate the intolerant! free speech can only justify free speech as long as that speech doesn't attack the freedom of others.
This meme was my first exposure to the leaked texts. I suppose having read the articles about this, I’ll believe anything now.
Sadly it feels as if the US is reliving Germany’s pre-WWII history and it feels like we are all just sleepwalking into the same hell.
Every so often though there’s a little good news. We shall see.
And confirmed: we cannot be tolerant of the intolerant!
So that's how I find out.
The OG reporting, for others like me.
I think the worst part of all of this, for me, is how unfunny it all is. Like goddamn, they are so bad at humor.
I think the worst part is that the Vice President openly defended them.
"The right can't meme"
I think the worst part is how many worst parts there are.
I think the worst part for me is that these people have power, actual real world power. But being unfunny is definitely pathetic.
It is funny if you're a pychopath
But why are the nazis hiding the Epstein files?
Because the Nazis are also pedophiles.
Please remember, this is the republican party, the party that has fought to lower the age of consent across the nation for decades. This is entirely on brand for what we've seen them fight for in public, and if you're aware of the 50-60 plus pages of Republican sex pests, completely unsurprising.
Because they're also in there.
This is just what Lee Atwater said openly in the 80s.
Its so weird to me how they can be both Zionist bootlickers and nazis at once, it's impressive
It makes more sense when you realise that it’s about oppression, power, and creating scapegoats. Hitler’s closest allies were the not-exactly-Aryan Japanese.
And it’s not like they won’t all turn on each other eventually, anyway. So why not have some strange bedfellows along the way?
Supporting Zionism while being actively antisemitic is a handy way for Nazis to encourage jewish people to segregate themselves. Zionism presents a potentially attractive place to go, and then aggressive antisemitism gives them a reason to leave. The two are not so radically opposed.
The Nazis rhetoric drives more Jewish people to Zionism. Strange bedfellows indeed.
This is starting to fracture a bit with right wing traitor lunatics, but it’s for two main reasons. For some, it’s just about access to Middle East energy resources. That’s the main reason that US policy is to support Israel.
The other thing is for true believing traitor lunatics. They think that Israel needs to exist for the rapture to occur. I don’t remember the details but this is a big part of evangelical support.
Either way, absolute lunacy, but at least if we managed to wean off fossil fuels, support for Israel would evaporate.
The Christian nationalists are deeply religious, so they see Israel as a good thing. End times or crusades or something.
The Nazis might hate Jewish people, but they hate brown people more.
The racists definitely hate brown people more.
They're all in the maga alliance and are getting along for the moment just so they can be fascists.
Don't forget, they're anti establishment also.
It's not that hard to understand the disconnect when you realize Israel are also nazis
It says so much about the Republican Party that they're defending these limpdick fifth-graders instead of saying: "You know what? We don't like these pathetic little shit-stains either."
You should also be aware that the group accepts people up to age 40.
So the framing that these are children or teens is also misleading.
The Young Republicans weren't lying when they said calling their opposition candidates white supremacists might work against them.
We all knew.
Just some 30 year kids. They will say edgy things. I mean, come on guys. … no really, let’s go to ikea and fuck a sofa.
You may have a career in politics ahead of you, my friend. Maybe even Vice President.
From the same party that wants to charge minority children as adults if they misbehave. Actual adults are just kids though.
Only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.
You can't say the N-word.
It's their word
no, they can't say it. it's not pronounced nucular
Woah. Is that actually a callback to when w said it wrong and we all had to learn how to pronounce it correctly?
I still think about that every time I think or say nuclear.
yes but also
all of us here on lemmy got a list of all your embarrassing moments (including that time you spilled manicotti down the inside of your shirt) didn't you hear?
I'm getting so fucking tired of libs' satisfaction with hypocrisy. We already knew these people were Nazis, they've always fucking been Nazis. They say they aren't because gaslighting is a fascist tactic and open support of Nazism doesn't ring with racist middle class people who only have their internalized values to run on. Whenever chuds are caught lying there's thousands of lib gotcha posts like it's a victory.
Why do people on Lemmy always find a way to make everything about liberals? That’s what I’m getting tired of. Whenever something happens, people come up saying “well yeah, liberals suck”. How is that better than the thing you’re arguing against? If you’re tired of “satisfaction with hypocrisy” of one group, what is your prefered group doing? Is there someone actually doing something about it? Because I only see people writing stuff on internet forums, regardless of their affiliation.
My "preferred group" -- whatever the fuck that means -- is currently fighting liberals, as we've always done.
Now fuck off.
Ah so you’re fighting liberals by writing unhinged stuff on internet. Good job. Think about it the next time no one takes you seriously.
You're going to drown dude.
It's not a "victory", it's refusing to let this shit slide unspoken
Cool, what about the past three decades? Libs have allowed fascists into power as they always do and I've lived through three decades of them only talking. Reveling in hypocrisy is too late and too satisfying to people who don't feel genuinely threatened.
we haven't had a liberal in power for 50 years. Every democrat in power for decades has been Conservative Lite.
Jesus fucking christ if I had a nickel for every lib that didn't know what liberalism even is. Shut the fuck up about people online, you're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about.
Won't respond again.
So yeah, i'm not american but i gotta tell you "the libs allow this! The libs allowed that!!" Is a total whingeing scapegoat attempt.
You literally vote in every single rep on multiple levels in the US. As in you, the people. You vote from councilmembers all the way up to congress members. And trying to blame a single political party for the people you literally vote into power is big ol' pile of shite.
You have a vote. You have more than two parties. But you always blame just one set of politics when your shit goes sideways. What the hell is up with that.
Who the fuck are you talking to rn? I'm not in the US.
edit: On top of that, it's hilarious to have yet another person fail to understand what liberalism is. Did I say, "Democratic Party of the USA"? Liberalism is not a specific group of politicians in one country, it is also not specific parties who call themselves liberals, it is a specific ideology organized around individualism and capital that emerged through settler colonialism. Shut the FUUUUUUCK up about shit you don't know about like how self-righteous. Go proselytize on street corners if you're so desperate.
Oh sweetie.
Liberalism and liberal parties are very very different things across the world. One example is the liberal party in Australia, who are infamously right wing. Liberalism meaning the left as opposed to the right is absolutely a US idea.
So if you don't want people thinking you're in the US, maybe don't use their terminology and specific political constructs.
Pompous. THAT'S STILL LIBERALISM YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER.
AI levels of incoherence there but this site is small enough and your post history is varied enough that I believe this is truly just an igorant and satisfied person.
Have you considered once in your entire bubble-wrapped life that the language you have been given to understand politics purposefully made you unable to interpret -- and therefore criticize -- the policies and philosophies in the systems of power around you? These are all liberal parties. Liberalism is not when you say the rainbow capitalism or let the raciazlied people bomb kids too, though they certainly seek to appropriate ideas of social justice and civil progress. It is a durable and dominant ideology with individualism and capitalism as its primary organizing principles. Morality is written around the imperatives of infinite growth, wealth accumulation (extraction), and individual human bodies rather than human relationalities to each other and the land/spaces they exist in. "Right wing" or "left wing" is relevant only in the purposefully disarming rhetoric adopted in settler-colonial states to obfuscate that dominance. When people correctly identify that liberals, as in liberalism not as in the colloquial term for "not a Republican Party supporter," do not challenge fascism, they are identifying that the material interests of liberals does not conflict with the overt racism and authoritarianism of fascists. Australia is a country dominated by liberalism in the same way the US, and Canada are all dominated by liberalism as these are all eurosettler countries that hold individualism and capitalism as the highest principle in their social and political systems.
Racism is fundamental to liberalism as capitalism depends on an exploitable class of people and race allows for a naturalized and immutable justification for exploitation of particular groups. Queerphobia is fundamental to liberalism as the hierarchy which is necessary to facilitate exploitation must control how people reproduce culturally as well as physically. Civil rights for racialized and queer people in these systems is articulated through the legal right to access capital both as a way to protect this imperative from violent challenges and redirect the threat these movements pose into the legal framework of the state to better control them.
"Sweetie," you have to fucking think about what these people and systems actually do and why. **You do not know what you are fucking talking about. ** When I say liberals are fucking insufferable because they never know what they're talking about and what the stakes are in the rise of fascism, I'm talking about you. I do not care what you think you subscribe to, because you've said as explicitly as possible that you do not care to know what you believe in.
I will not pay attention to your next comment, I won't even read it. I post this only in the hopes that you aren't some piece of shit who will never learn and in case there are other libs who may come across this comment thread and have their own internalized values challenged for once.
Jesus christ dude. Touch grass.
Ok?
Your most recent comment advocates for ableism. I couldn't find a more perfect example of how brutal libs are.
The guys already a Nazi, disability did not make him a Nazi. Being a Nazi is more than enough to make fun of and it's a choice too, so you can do that without also inadvertently devaluing of an entire group of people.
Fuck off.
So the party that likes the slavers, the crossed flag, that hates poor's, ... is a Nazi nest...
What are the news again?
What are watermelon people supposed to be?
Racist term for black Americans
Huh. Thanks. I have no clue how that even makes abstract sense. (bit I don't think I really care)
Iirc (don't quote me on this) during reconstruction after the Civil War many black Americans had little land (if any) and watermelon was an easy crop for limited land. Racist white people then associated the fruit with those they hate.
You got it, but you left out some details. The watermelon was actually a symbol of hope and prosperity for the recently freed slaves. The former slave owners, didnt like it. So, owning the media of the time, they started running ads showing caricatures of black people eating watermelon like animals. It took less then 10 years for the belief to become common that it was always a racist trope.
See also, fried chicken. That one came from Birth of a Nation. Both of these racist stereotypes persist today. I know the black community in America wanted to reclaim the N word, but IMO, they should have reclaimed the Watermelon as the symbol of freedom and perseverance that it once was for that first generation of freed slaves who over came massive hurdles to make a life for themselves.
To give you an idea of just how bad it was, there was a story about a woman who was a nanny for a young boy. When she was freed, and had to leave the boy cried and was utterly distraught that she was leaving. A few years later that young boy met his nanny again. The woman was overjoyed to see him and asked if he'd like to share some watermelon with him. His reply? "I dont eat n***** food.". Thats the power of the media, and then it was only a few newspapers. Just imagine what its doing to us all today.
Black people like watermelon. It's a stereotype
Don't most people like watermelon?
The fried chicken and watermelon thing is the stupidest thing in the world. Everyone loves these things. Every single culture in the entire world has its own fried chicken dish.
Honestly I'm not a fan, but in America it is explicitly tied to racism for whatever reason
As long as on person is stupid enough to buy their bs they will continue doing it ... :/
Which group chat was this? Also, genuinely curious why "liberal" is used to insult right wingers. I've always heard it used for left wing stuff
Because the technical definition of 'liberal' is somebody who has buy in to the idealogy of liberalism^1^. According to the original left vs. right wing of the French National Assembly "liberals" were left wing and "conservatives", aka monarchists, were right wing.
That was nearly 250 years ago.
In the modern era where monarchies are mostly extinct the way that an individual achieves the modern equivalent of the "divine right of kings" is via the "right to private property". So both it and conservatism are fighting to fill the niche that once held the monarchists, the fight is whether it should be wealthy corporations or a religious monarchy that fills it. It should go without saying that these are both extremely far right positions.
^1^ also worth reading a bit about the technical definition/understandings of neoliberalism
Liberal is sort of two separate things - a brand adopted by usually a party that markets itself as socially progressive and a philosophy of property forward law that creates a punch out of individual rights to citizens (and to a much lesser extent subgroups) to things like freedom of movement, freedom from unlawful seizure of property, freedom of expression and "style of life".
If you have existed on the outside of the left wing you might only be familiar with the brand aspect. The criticism of the wider left in general of these "Liberal" branded parties is that they are often performative in their progressive nature. The brand is just marketing.
The hotbutton discussion however inside the wider left in regards to the political philosophy of Libralism is that both the Republicans and Democrats are by technical definition Liberals and that base philosophy has within it the political prerogative of constantly upholding protections on keeping the absurd aggregation of wealth in private firms (something Libralism at it's core is designed to do). A large number of different leftist philosophies see this as a core problem. Therefore in leftist spaces self identifying Liberals are usually flagged as dupes of a branded center-right party - not as progressives who support social causes of wider acceptance.
Libralism as a philosophy is kind of the air we breathe. It's not left nor right. It creates a body of individual rights but Capitalism is used as a measure of what constitutes personal autonomy. Someone dying from a lack of success is acceptable because at it's core Liberalism is designed to coerce (most) people to perform perpetual labour in return for protection inside the system. The system creates classes of people who are citizens who are protected and by doing so it creates exceptions to citizenhood (like prisoners, refugees, immigrants or indigenous peoples) who can be exploited.
Most Democracies are philosophically a sort of blended patchwork of Liberalism and Socialism with some other stuff mixed in. The two are either compatible or opposing depending on which school of Socialism you are talking about.
That actually makes a lot of sense. Thank you. I was raised very conservative, migrated libratarian, and am slowly leaning more libertarian socially but centrist economically. Where I'm from "Liberal" is sort of an insult for the far left so it's weird to see it used within the left. I've never seen that before.
Yeah "Liberal" as an insult from a Conservative from the leftist perspective is very funny and also sad. Conservatives often utilize the wrong terms for things which muddy the waters and make it harder for their flock to swap sides because messing around with diction makes following leftist discussion impossible if you have an understanding of the terms gleaned from a non-academic source.
Take the term "neo-liberal" the right uses it in its most literal translation to mean "new liberal" and uses it to evoke the far end of the progressive spectrum of the left.
In actuality the term was coined in the Reagan/Thatcher era to mean the sort of generally conservative policy of privatizing swaths of government services entirely, defunding government social programs, removing regulations/ depowering regulatory bodies and practicing so called "trickle down economics" policies. The philosophical term is frozen in time just the same way terms like "neolithic" or "neoclassical art" is. Republicans are literally more Neo-Liberal than the Democrats (who are sort of more passively status quo preserving liberal. Neo-liberal mostly by virtue of inaction. )
Linguistically the well is very poisoned. The left wing could try adopting new terms but the right wing is faster to disseminate their counter to that by just creating new bastardized meanings of the terms because the right has a more unified media structure. The left is fractured. It deals often with trying new things rather than preserving status quo which means it exists in a lot of subgroups.
I don't know the specific context you're looking at but when liberal is used on Lemmy as a derogatory it's generally directed at those affiliated with, say, the Democratic party (of America). ITT some comments are drily pointing out that this isn't a good "gotcha" comic because it is objectively obvious what the right's agenda has been this whole time, to the point that calling it out is essentially an empty gesture.
Are you European? Liberal means something else in most of our countries
From the US. Yeah maybe it's used differently elsewhere. It's just a little confusing to me haha
The way I interpret it, it's like when Homophobes call each other f***ts. Homphobes hate being called gay slurs. So essentially the same people don't like being called gay slurs or Liberal.
As someone who has been in both right wing and left wing group chats, the right wing ones are usually more tame...
Granted, the right wing ones were for Christians, but Christians tend to be conservative. Even came across someone on here the other day calling for a genocide of devout Christians.
Can you even be conservative and Christian?
Elaborate?
Okay there was an indian guy who joined once claiming to be a Christian but had a visceral, genocidal hatred of Muslims. We rebuked him with Scripture to the point he renounced the faith, and then we banned him.
And then everyone clapped and Jesus gave him a high five.
Why would Jesus high five someone like that?
I dont know. On one hand we have cunts wearing red hats and chatting shit about "men in dresses". And on the other we have blue haired land whales chatting shit about how being "male and pale is stale". I think everyone is just a cunt at this point. And while we dont have an easily recognisable name for it like "nazi", the other side of the CULTure wars would be every bit the horror show the red hat wearing pricks would be if left unchecked in power.
Yeah, thats right. Im both sidesing this mother fucker. I dont care what tragic cult script youve got lined up, ready to go. The fact is, anyone who takes part in the culture wars is a cunt. No ifs, no ands, no buts. Red hats and pick up trucks, or blue hair and septum rings. Youre all toxic and cringe.
Bernie Sanders: Total Blue Haired Land Whale. Can hardly hear him talk over the clank of all his facial piercings. Trynna give everyone healthcare and stop the tidal wave of money rushing out of the pockets of working people into the ever expanding hoards of billionaires. So problematic.
Ah, so its the best of us vs the worst of them argument? Never heard that one before...
Do you think the MAGAs consider Trump, Hegseth, or these chucklefuck MAGAlings as the worst of them or the best of them? Pit the right's "Best" against the left's "Best" and you make sir/madam Sparkly Fart's point.
A lot of them probably do, yes. Doesnt make them correct. And we arent talking about MAGA, we are talking about Republicans. I know thats REAL fucking hard for your cult warped brain to see the distinction, but its there.
The obvious example is John McCain. When his supporters were chatting shit about Obama, he shut that shit down. Told it like it was, that he was a good man that he just happened to disagree with on some issues. Those kinds of republicans are still around. But you dont care about that, because youre the same time of inbred fuck up that he had to shut down when they were chatting shit about Obama. You just dont see it, because youre head is filled with cult nonsense. Just like the MAGA brain rot is filled with their cult nonsense.
Newsflash for you, chief. You are the thing you hate.
It's pretty telling that your example of a prominent non-MAGA type republican died 7 years ago. What Republicans support is MAGA. Otherwise they could hold MAGA people responsible for their clear crimes and moral failings.
That was my obvious example. So I wouldnt be called a liar, because him doing that is widely known about. Whats telling is that you just did the every thing Im accusing you of, and you think its fucking fine.
Can you name any Republicans with power that don't go along with MAGA?
lol
Newsflash for you, MAGA is the republican party.
I'll grant you that McCain was probably the highwater mark for the GOP in recent history, but I think its pretty clear how MAGA views him today (I think "loser" and "RINO" were bandied about pretty often)
Take a look out your window at who is running this shitshow, and believe them when they tell you who they are, or keep pretending it's everyone else who is brainwashed. Your call, "chief".
John "I hate the g**ks and I always will" McCain is your champion?
Who would you say is the best of them? Trump?
I wouldnt know who the worst or best is, I just know that being republican doesnt make you a nazi anymore than being a democrat does. And thats really my point. All too often we see the worst example of something, anything, and one side of the dumb as fuck culture war grabs on to it for dear life like its an example of the whole group.
I mean, people do make the connection just being white makes you a nazi. Do you agree with that? Does being American make you fat and thick? Does being British mean you dont know what toothpaste tastes like? Does being German mean you make gay scat porn? Does being a woman mean you want kids? Does being a man mean you like power drills? Does being gay mean you dont like sports? Doest being straight mean you do like sports?
I want people held to account for their own actions. Thats it. Thats the world I want to live in. Not this bastion of virtue, where everyone is just a cunt based on whatever other cunt they share something with.
And Id also argue that Bernie was a poor example. As that man is not part of the culture wars. Hes left wing in a country that has two right parties. He didnt celebrate the murder of Charlie Kirk, and instead spoke out against it. The culture warriors are nothing like Bernie. They are cult followers, looking to gain up arrows across various platforms to gain the illusion of self worth. Right, left, doesnt matter. Everything one side says about the other, can be said about both. Cancel culture, both sides do that. Rape and death threats on twitter? Both sides do that. It really doesnt matter what side you are on, if you are in the culture wars, youre already part of the problem.
If you dont know shit stfu Moron
Oft. Thats your effort is it? Id be embarrassed by that keyboard warrior retort, mate. I really would.
Nah, your a moron that'll never learn. You hate information and truth and deserve 0 percent of my effort. Just Google your ideas and learn.
I really don't see it this way. Sorry. The right wants culture wars to be done by government, the left wants culture to move towards a more fair and free society where people aren't held back from opportunities because of biases around their identity. These are very different. And, no one in power on the left talks like those who in power on the right. The President has called half the country terrorists. Its insane and so much more one sided than you are saying.
I know you dont. Thats the problem. "The right" wants straight white males in all their tv shows, and "the left" wants straight white males to never be in any tv show again. Anyone who isnt part of the culture wars, just wants a good tv show/movie to watch.
The issue with American politics is that you think you have a left wing party fighting for you. You dont. You never did. What you have is one party running rings around everyone else because they are going hard into the social media aspect of things. The dems arent. They are still holding the pocket of hollywood, or at least being seen to. This is the same hollywood that keeps on trying to lecture us on being good people, while ignoring sexual assaults because it helps their career. People, arent buying that shit any more.
Then on top of that, you have cunts like Nancy Pelosi who are holding back people like Bernie and AOC who actually are the future and change that Americans have been screaming out for, for over a decade. Just last year that woman fucked AOC out of a committee seat that would have put her in great place to push for a presidential run. Maybe even as soon as 2028 but 100% for 2032. But because AOC wont play the game for the party leaders or their rich donors, she got robbed of a seat that was vacated for her. The plan was that the 60 year old guy would step down so that the seat could be filled by a someone young with new fresh ideas. But once Nancy found out, she made sure that the seat went to a 75 year old dude with fucking cancer. And he fucking died 4 months later! So instead of a 35 year old women in her prime that is, whether they like it or not, the future of the party. They inserted a dying fucking man. And you know what? They STILL wont let her have the fucking seat.
Now go back to 2016. America is screaming out for change. On one side you have Trump, chatting shit about draining the swamp. On the other side you have Hilary... Who is part of the fucking swamp that everyone wants rid of. Bernie, who got fucked over by the DNC, would have beat Trump with ease. Even fucking Republicans were saying they would vote for Bernie. But no, because he wasnt going to bend the knee. If it wasnt for the Dems rigging that shit, the world would NEVER have known what a Trump presidency looks like.
Now fast forward to 2020. Theres something like, 17 fucking dems up for the nom. It was a crazy number. But every single one of them, had a free healthcare plan for Americans. Including Harris, which is something to remember. Pelosi, told them all to take a big step back so that Biden got the nom. The bullshit they spun was that he was the only one who could be Trump. The actual issue? He was the only one that didnt have a free healthcare plan. He was happy to leave things fucked.
Now its 2024, Biden is fucked in the head because hes old as shit. And Harris is just given the nom. But did you notice? No free healthcare plan anymore. It was replaced with some watered down shit about lowering insulin costs. And was she talking change? Nope. She was getting the hollywood fuck wits to rap about all the shit people cant stand about modern hollywood, while she went around business people making herself look like the perfect republican.
If you wanna tell me that MAGA is full cunts, Ill agree with you. If you are trying to tell me that Dems are the heroes of this tale, well, sorry. But that just doesnt pass the sniff test.
And this whole dog shit about a fair society is just that, its dog shit. Its about virtue signalling and hate and for some weird fucking reasons, asking 12/13 year old boys if they are gay or not...
https://people.com/noah-schnapp-recalls-how-journalists-would-pry-and-ask-him-at-12-if-he-was-gay-11831652
This is not fucking normal. This is fucking weird. And if this shit is the "progress" you are pushing, then Ill stand against until I die of a stroke or something.
Dude... Are you okay?
No, Im surrounded by morons who think the worst version of a group is reprehensive of that whole group. You do it, they do it, everyone is doing it. Seeing this nest of nazi fuckwits is bad enough. But youre all treating it like its exposing the whole of the other side. Its the same energy that sees people say "the jews control all the money". What, all of them? Every single Jew? Well, that must be some size of table they all sit round when talking about what to do with it.
Next you'll be telling me all black guys are paedos because Diddy is...
You know you're smarter than everyone else, but you don't seem to be able to find intelligent friends. Why waste your time here?
I am not smarty than everyone else. Only a prick would make such a claim. Theres plenty of intelligent people around lemmy, just because you dont count yourself among them... is a you problem.
You need to surround yourself with people who aren't morons.
Im not surrounding myself with you. You are surrounding me. Maybe, youre the problem?
You need to go find a friend that sees you. Shake it off.
You sound like an AI
I dont "sound" like anything to you, you dope.
oh look, it's someone's unearthed post from 2016
Of all the things you could have said to grab some free worthless internet points, that might just be the weakest. You can do better. I believe in you. Come on, dude. You got this.
Fully agree with you
Most ultra leftists are horrible by themselves and would do the exact same thing, and a lot of the politically correctness bullshit from years ago caused many people to vote trump back then.
whats your most radical left position? do you even have any left wing positions?
When Dani Lalonders said that she didnt hire white people because they "created unsafe working environments", you all said that was fine. It was like a white woman saying she crosses the street when she see a black guy because she doesnt feel safe. Its racism then, but not when it was Dani. I wonder why that is? Why is it ok for some people to be racist, but not others? Could it be, because you are all in fucking cult? And the only real difference between you is the colour of whatever is on your head?
Lemme guess, youre a white european who hates illegal immigrants?
I dont know how you got that from what I said, but youre half right. Im Scottish. Im as left wing as you can get without sporting a shitty moustache. And thats actual left wing, not that right wing ghoulish shit you Americans pretend is left wing.
I have zero issues with anyone coming here. The more the merrier. So, now what you got? What keen insights of the American fuck wit can I expect next?
bro I just realized you arent even the person i was originally talkkng to, who the fuck are you? I literally don't care about your opinion but the guy I originally commented on. The guy I was talking to I am betting is a liberal right winger. Dont care about your stances
shit the fuck up please
It’s best to just block Benny, he’s not just a white European who hates immigrants, he’s a white European who hates immigrants, women, and anyone of a different shade than he is. He’s a proper cunt.
Im your father. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
It's a frustrating echo chamber here. I'm trans and there is tons of extremism from specifically other people in my community. I'm left leaning ( left leaning centrist? ) and people are too tribal when it comes to partisan politics to see the extremity on their 'side'.
The modern political landscape sees people othering their 'enemy'. Understanding them as 'dumb' or 'terrible people', with a complete lack of empathy for their humanity.
Republicans are people too, frequently misguided, and that's a sad thing. I feel sad for them, they deserve my pity, they are lost.
Can you share an example of extremism from left wing politicians or senior party members in the US to illustrate your point? Because it doesn't sound like you're comparing apples to apples.
This comic is making reference to real comments made by a real Republican group that's existed since the 50s and is the national youth wing of the Republican party - many of the people exposed in the leaked chats currently work directly for senators and government bodies.
Thank god we have Pizzacake around to let us know about this.
Seriously though, she always has the most blindingly obvious takes, when she's not busy demonising men.
All femimist authors attract a following of dudes who, despite not being antifeminist when asked, somehow always manage to find abnormal amounts of energy to repeatedly and loudly criticize them for objective faults.
Energy and time they rarely manage to find for criticizing authors who are not feminist.
Nah, she's just toxic. Imagine threatening to sue a subreddit and it's mods for making fun of your mediocre comics...
attracting a crowd of critics doesn't make someone a feminist. sometimes it just makes them female or a tall poppy.
Thank God we have Ilovethebomb to give us the braindead anti-feminist take--it complements the comic quite well, really. Racism and extremism were in ample supply thanks to the young Republicans she quoted, but it was the lack of sexism that made the picture feel incomplete. Chef's kiss, sir/madame
I'm sorry, did these men not already demonize themselves enough to make it clear who they are? I saw this comic as more as an observation than an attempt to insult. She didn't demonize them, their actions did
I know, surprised_pikachu.bmp, right?
It's a fucking bummer that the people here don't know how much of a Karen pizzacake is. I literally just wrote a long ass comment yesterday about why she in particular is a piece of shit. I know for some it really is the OF/blatant misogyny, but I really think people underestimate how shitty her takes are and the lengths she'll go to silence her critics through legal action or bans. People like her are part of the reason why Reddit is so god awful.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bonehurtingjuice/comments/1ggn4a6/pizzacake_posts_are_now_banned/
I've read the exchange and she comes off mostly reasonable, and clearly fatigued. Summary follows.
::: spoiler This is the kind of content (sorry, spoilers don't work on mobile). :::
She got sick of having to personally chase down and ask for removal of each offensive (to her) posts from BoneHurtingJuice after asking mods to handle it (with guidlines) for many months. They didn't, instead they posted her request publicly after she explicitly asked them not to "lest it draw additional ire from BHG users". It drew considerable attacks and she even had her patreon taken down by mass false reports for a while. She finally gave up on individual post modding and requested posts of her art to be banned entirely on the subreddit rules. The lone moderator said no, we will only remove individual posts, and "I'll only remove your content if there is a significant majority in favour [on the subreddit]", and if that's not good enough then "if you want to file DMCAs or whatever then be my guest". That is 1) empty promise as the mod knew her edited content was very popular, 2) a shit response for a mod to make to that request from the artist. So she filed DCMAs and lo and behold the mod made a blanket ban on her art for the sub - I guess it was possible.
Sounds exhausting on her behalf and just looking at the comments on the BHJ threads and applying just a sprinkle of empathy I believe she's not wrong - they're toxic and many of them come across as fairly entitled edgelord kids.
People here might not think that because uhhh.. this community is less toxic.
Man, you missed so much context.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/1dpyynb/misandry_from_a_popular_webcomics_artist_and_more/
Top comment was a male SA survivor, pizzacake argued her misandry in a really sarcastic and insincere way ("men are even worse to men"), and then the mods banned the user and nuked the comment section.
If you go there, it's been entirely scrubbed of criticism.
https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/1dpptkk/talk/
Obvious BHJ was making fun of this in high volume. Mods were absolutely taking efforts to ban misogonist.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bonehurtingjuice/comments/1dqisfa/i_generally_like_her_comics_but_there_are_some/
https://www.reddit.com/r/bonehurtingjuice/comments/1dqkrqs/double_standards/
This is what triggered her low faith response. I think going back and reading her tone worth context actually matters. The DMCA is absolutely bullshit. Even if you don't like what someome says, fair use is fair use. She took advantage of her status and weilded to her full extent because of course she did--she's an asshole.
A while has passed and she finally rescinded her threats, but her comics remain banned due to the lingering resent of the community.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bonehurtingjuice/comments/1kbin75/pizzacakecomics_posts_will_remain_banned_for_the/
I don't condone mysogony or misandry, speaking as a male victim myself. I've noticed she's removed some of her god awful takes, but man she really pisses me off. I mostly agree with her poltically and don't give a damn about her OF. I just don't want to be lumped with the incels, which she has effectively done for her critics.
I mean I read through the link your provided in your initial comment to explain your anger. If I missed context it's because there was no further additional context provided at the time - onus is on you making the claim, not me. But ok you've got more..
So I'm looking through the first comments section link and images for the misandry. Yeah, those jokes could be taken as borderline misandrist - I can see how some would interpret it that way. I can see how many would not - as ive heard many guys speak that way about women over my life. I can also see how they are possibly being misinterpreted - most of the comments are saying "men actually do get told these comments all the time".. And well I have spend a lot of time with a lot of women, and currently live with three.. And this just isn't my experience at all. As an example I have heard a lot of sympathy and empathy for bald men and guys that wear toupees. It's not that women do not ever make these statements, but to pass them off as 'common' and 'the norm' like these commenters are is very weird to me as misandry has been a rarity in my life - and yes, I went to college, and spend a lot of time around self-professed feminists. I didn't always agree with their opinions but we had good discussions that were not attacks or the vilification of all men, just around understanding one another's issues.
Looking through the thread comments there is actually a real "mens rights" undercurrent, anti-feminism and misogyny in the comments. I don't have to dig deep in the thread either: top comment "As for the appearances, we are mocked relentlessly for trying too hard to modify our appearances." Really? Not in my experience. That'd be unusual and rude. Third from top comment: "It's supposed to be an example of how women don't act, right? But they do all of that more than men do, it seems." Riiiight. I'm getting a vibe here.
I'm not familiar with the "LeftWingMaleAdvocates" sub reddit, mostly because Reddit is a cesspool I have avoided for years now, but these are not sounding like left-wing opinions at all. so what's the vibe of their userbase.. Let's check overlap of users on LWMA with other subreddit to see what else they post on..
https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/leftwingmaleadvocates
Ah yes, MGTOW, mensrights, menslib, 'kotaku/tumblr/socialjusticeinaction', 'pussypassdenied', 'stupidpol', 'shitpoliticssays' and a bunch of other right wing and incel subs that spend most of their time attempting to dump on feminists, social justice advocates, and anyone left-wing. Totally subs that 'left-wing male advocates' would be involved with.
Bro this 'evidence' is hot trash, and you say this is it after "it's been scrubbed of criticism" by the mods? I can only imagine how bad it was before. I'm not bothering to look further into your supplied links, don't have all day to read mens rights activists talking crap about some webcomic lady.
I mean, I didn't provide a lot initially and that's on me, and I think you're being sincere and I appreciate you're perspective. I didn't look onto leftwing male sub at all, I trusted without further research, my bad. I agree that it's disappointing to see so much incels in the comments, they completely validate her deflections. Even so, I can pretty clearly give the rundown of why I see her this way.
She abused DMCA. This is bad for fair use. Fair use protects artists ability to speak freely. I'm also an artist so this hits close to home. You can't attack people for disagreeing with you (it's illegal).
Regardless, she targeted the mods. The benefit to this is by eliminating all her content, she made all criticism disappear. Her choice in target was also an issue. Why go after BHJ and not other discriminatory hangouts on reddit? Is it because what they post is perceived as credible? Personally, I believe the mods were diligent, and I think so did she, which resulted in more valid criticism to rise to the top, and motivated her to go after this sub in particular.
She also deflected blame to incels through posting. Hater comics, responses in comments, and the implicit brigading. The comics mods are a bunch of simps. She used them to blanket ban tons of people who clearly didn't deserve it. I think this is easy to miss, but she really doubles down on some shitty takes and dissenters get nuked by downvotes. Hivemind also happens here, but not nearly to the same degree.
You can try to percieve all these actions in good faith. I don't. Her overreactions are in line with someone who is desparately insecure and controlling. I think the only reason we give a damn about this conversation is the same reason we ended up on lemmy—putting your eggs all in one basket. Comics has a lot of great work which is not so great if a mod bans you for not liking pizzacake.
I think you probably understand where I'm coming from if you got this far, and I truly appreciate your time to read this because I spent an embarrassing amount of time writing this. If you still disagree, I can't say I blame you. This really is a rabbit hole for me to hyperfixate on. Either way, I think I got what I needed off my chest.
Thanks for your response, I honestly enjoy trying to understand other people's opinions and you are clearly coming at this from a different experience to me. I dont draw comics or frequent their subreddits. I agree on her DCMA action being abusive of that system, and I don't like it either - for me her behaviour is however softened somewhat by the fact a mod rejecting her proposal to remove her work suggested DCMA requests as her next step if she was unhappy with their response though.
If she was intending to maliciously use DMCAs as a tactic though, it's weird that she hasn't gone after other subreddits after that win in the following year - if she was successful with DCMA takedowns on BHJ, why not go after r/comedynecrophilia next for instance? I don't know what she decided, but it does seem like even prior to this affair she got a special kind of vitriol directed to her work that I just never understood (last time I was on Reddit regularly was late 2022 which was prior to any of this). Quickly looking on comedynecro they seem to constantly use her work and most of its pretty negative, so perhaps she is afraid of encouraging more blowback.. Either way it must be pretty exhausting for (iirc?) some 1-person webcomic who has to engage with the community.
I personally find her work pretty average (some is good but mostly just ok or meh), so I think I'm at my limit for going into the weeds on her personal reddit dramas. I take your position as sincere and it is a lot more nuanced than I thought at first, appreciate your time explaining it and I hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend.