Do you think the guys on the titanic submarine will be rescued?
For those who are unaware: A couple billionaires, a pilot, and one of the billionaires' son are currently stuck inside an extremely tiny sub a couple thousand meters under the sea (inside of the sub with the guys above).
They were supposed to dive down to the titanic, but lost connection about halfway down. They've been missing for the past 48 hours, and have 2 days until the oxygen in the sub runs out. Do you think they'll make it?
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Probably not the worst way to go all things considered.
I think it's because the story about a missing submersible is unusual, and moreover, it's about a rescue attempt. This makes it more interesting than many other, albeit more dreadful, news stories.
750 people drowning is also unusual, and there's also been rescue attempts.
All these victims have loved ones, and i don't wish death on anyone, but for the billionaires I find it quite hard to care much.
I still hope they're saved, though; and if they are I very much hope the experience will have changed them.
It's terrible but not that unusual.
Unfortunately it is not that unusual since the EU stopped Mare Nostrum to save money
That's just not the same. Drowning is quick and if you don't save them immediately they're most likely dead. Slowly suffocating in a sub while the clock ticks and something can be done about it is a different story.
Learn to care.
You're assuming they're suffocating, when the smallest fault in the hull's integrity would make the thing implode, killing them before they realized what was happening.
Like everyone, my ability to care has limits. You can't worry and care about everything. I'll give my fucks for those who didn't grow rich exploiting others, thanks.
And they were diving to look at the titanic, everyone's favourite maritime disaster.
sure. It has nothing to do with the fact that in one of cases they are 5 billionaires while in the other one they are 750 poor migrants. No, totally not.
The Thailand cave rescue was all over the news and they were poor.
Its about novelty, nothing more nothing less.
A bunch of rich ppl have died on Mt Everest this year, nobody gives a shit as its a common occurrence.
Not entirely no, I didn’t see any news outlet leading the story with “5 Billionaires missing after Submersible lost contact”. For quite some time we didn’t even know who was on board. It’s more the fact that boats in the Mediterranean sink all the time, it’s still tragic but we know that that’s an issue we have now (most people unfortunately seem to have decided that they do not care that much). A submersible going missing and the coast guards of 2 countries looking for them, while thei only have air for a couple days, no one knowing where they are and it involving the titanic guarantees clicks, it’s almost like a movie plot. The fact that they are wealthy is certainly not the reason for it though, it’s the circumstances surrounding it, it’s unusual. People also know how ships work and why they capsize, while most people don’t have the slightest idea how deep sea submersibles work.
So yes, the ship capsizing and killing that many people is horrible and should get more attention, especially from the Goverments involved. It’s ridiculous that we let those poor people drown by the thousands and treat the ones who made it like scum. But I’m not convinced the Titanic story got traction BECAUSE the victims have money.
really? The first point of information I found out was that it cost 250k to get on.
"hey did you hear about the submarine that's lost?
"no?"
"It cost 250k to get on, to go see the titanic wreck"
pretty much how my entire day went yesterday with various coworkers
That may be true to your experience but for the first few days I heard about this story it had nothing to do with the who or how much it cost. Stories with novelty will always sell more than stories without much novelty. Edit: And I'm not saying that's right. The accident in Greece is a horrible tragedy, and we should value everyone's lives equally no matter how much wealth they have. There are legitimate points where we as a society turn a blind eye to the poor (always). But, this is not a story that's surprising why it's getting so much attention. It's gross how some people in this comment section are choosing to increase their hatred toward the rich rather than increasing their compassion for the poor
I agree with you, mostly, but you could also argue that the situation only exists/is only possible because they're wealthy (the same reason the only sub apparently capable of rescuing them is owned by another billionaire). But that doesn't diminish your point--were these somehow 5 poor people stuck at the bottom of the ocean in a sub near the Titanic, it would still probably get a lot of attention.
so you think that 2 governments would had started spending millions if 5 migrants had somehow been trapped in the seabed of the Mediterranean?
5 migrants? No fucking way. 5 average citizens of any developed nation? Sure. We perform expensive and resource intensive search and rescue operations for people lost in the wilderness or out at sea all the time. And once the media brings attention to it, there's a lot of pressure to keep the funding going, otherwise next election cycle people are going to remember the current leadership as "those guys who just left some poor people to die to save money."
I see your point, but I do think the poster above is right: "rescue" situations do tend to get a lot of media attention. The Thailand cave rescue and various mine collapses also spring to mind (Baby Jessica, anyone?). None of those involved particularly wealthy people (I don't think?) and they got some measure of global attention.
It's the mystery, where are they, what's their condition, what's going to happen, etc. ? It's like watching a movie. We're shallow and just want to be entertained.
The Greece tragedy is lacking the irony and hubris of this.
I mean, it's a tourist submersible that was aiming to bring billionaires to view the Titanic wreckage and it likely got wrecked itself. And they named the submersible Titan.
The sub's company OceanGate was dinged by a former employee for all sorts of safety issues and they fired and sued him. There are also lots of choice quotes from the CEO (who happens to be on the vessel) about moving fast and breaking things, and regulations stifling innovation. So there's some possible karma involved.
"OceanGate" sounds a lot like Heaven's Gate right now ;P
And Watergate. Anything [something]gate is bad news.
Cablegate was kind of good ;)
Ah, another dummkopf manager who thinks a software methodology can be applied to hardware.
Well, better hope he can deploy the fix in production within the next what, 10 or so hours?
I don't disagree, but missing sub is an unusual phenomenon and mystery that gets people interested.
I don't think the billionaires part is all that important, I didn't know about it until today. The Kursk, the kids trapped in a cave, the miners that have spent months in a mine, those were all news too.
But yea immigrants from war-torn regions - nobody cares unless they have "blond hair and blue eyes".
That's what I'm more upset about.
Who gives a shit about a couple of billionaires. Why does this have to be a world-wide news story? Why don't we care about the 100s of refugees that die all the time in maritime accidents and why are those things dominating the news?
Time and time again we give the rich people all of our attention. Fuck that. We shouldn't be letting the media direct our attention like this.
People tend to care more about the stuff that happens closer to them, or is somehow related to them. You probably don't care all that much about the armed conflict in Mali between the government, ISIS and Wagner Group.
if you live in europe, the Mediterranean sea is you know, right next to you. And way much closer than the distance of the titanic to the shore in America, which is about 1000 nautical miles.
I don't know anything about Mali, which is closer to to me than Titanic, but I do know a lot about the Titanic.
Or things that happen to rich white people.
It was an issue for a lot of international organizations, but Greece and EU made themselves look like fools https://vlemmy.net/post/119595
The 5 submariners chances of being rescued are very slim at this point but much much higher than the 500 migrants still missing off the coast of Greece who took to the waters not for a joy ride but to escape war and seek a better life.
No, nor do I think they should be. There will be millions of wasted taxpayer dollars wasted on trying to recover rich people's dead bodies. They signed a waiver and knew what they were getting into. There's nothing to be learned from whatever happened, since the company was clearly negligent. Let them rest on the ocean floor beside the other rich assholes.
That's a bit harsh. If there's anything that works in modern society pretty reliably regardless of status, it's search and rescue. Sunk subs can also be an environmental hazard.
There is no rescue in this instance, only an expensive recovery. And there are enough environmental hazards in the world at this point, that I don't think a 5m sub on the sea floor is going to matter much. Most climbers are abandoned to their fate as they made the reckless decision to ascend, just as these people made the reckless decision to descend.
It's still part of S&R. Lost swimmers, ships, small planes, or just people lost in the woods, there are always attempts for recovery long after any chance of survival is gone.
Yea climbers may be abandoned very high up on Everest, when there's no safe way to bring them down. But subs, we do look for subs. Let's not needlessly be dicks about it.
You do you. I will be whatever I want about it however.
Just out of curiosity... how do you figure that a tiny sunken submersible would become a hazard, much less an environmental one?
Probably not a big deal at that depth, I mentioned it as only a general addendum. But it probably has a battery, and those tend to be removed from sunken ships and subs together with other risky chemicals if possible.
I remember the case of a ship sinking with a shipment of new cars, and they recovered every one of those cars because they didn't want even one polluting the environment.
Regardless they'll want to search for it for the human(e) reasons primarily anyway.
I agree woth this post. Wealth has nothing to do with this. And if they survive they can easily pay the bill.
Pretty hilarious that you think a billionaire would foot the bill if they are (or their families if they're not) rescued.
It's kinda poetic for them to go down next to the titanic, itself a story of complacency and excess/opulance.
Darn tootin'.
At least this method of winning the darwin award is going full circle.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12215003/OceanGate-REFUSED-independent-inspection-missing-sub-fired-worker-raised-safety-concerns.html
He hired a guy specifically to work on the safety of the sub and fired him when he raised too many concerns like the viewport not being rated for that depth.
Exactly, there's enough evidence that they're just willfully negligent. Fuck them. The victims should have done even 5 mins of research on the company before getting in the sub.
Not only that, one look at the thing they chose to go down into the water in was enough for me to wonder what kind of hallucinogens they must've been on to accept that risk.
According to David Lochridge (their Director of Marine Operations who was fired and sued), the passenger viewport of the original sub (buit in 2018) was only certified for depths of up to 1,300 meters (4,265 feet), and OceanGate would not pay for the manufacturer to build a viewport certified for 4,000 meters, the depth at which the Titanic rested.
Whether that defect was corrected in this version of the sub (built 2020-21) is anyone's guess. Meanwhile, a German entrepreneur who took a trip in this sub in 2021 reported several problems with the electrics and one dive was aborted at 1600ft. So whether these new problems were addressed (by someone who wanted to cheap out on a window) is also unknown.
4km down - I get the willies if I see more than 20 metres of water underneath me and I can't see the bottom.
Wouldn't the governments bill OceanGate for the rescue costs? Similar to governments billing hikers/campers when they have to send a search and rescue party and/or medivac them to a hospital?
Jesus Christ you people are insane.
they had to sign a waiver that mentions the possibility of death 3 times on the first page to dive in a vehicle that has never been safety certified and that was criticized years ago by almost 40 experts in a letter to the CEO. who is more insane? this safety mission will cost a fortune regardless of the outcome.
Should we send rescue missions up Everest to ensure the families of rich thrill seekers get to bury their loved ones, or should we maybe put those resources into saving real, living people?
It's unfortunate that their risky joy ride went south, but it would be an actual tragedy if we used hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of dollars of public money to maybe find a few bodies. That money should be used more efficiently helping more people who actually need it.
The difference is that we already have the infrastructure to do sea rescue missions and the professionals involved need to train regularly, so they may as well use this as an opportunity to do that. It's not like the people and resources involved would necessarily just be sitting around if it weren't for this incident.
I'm not the one getting in a rickety submersible and paying a quarter of a million for the displeasure.
Why? Why should the lives/recovery of bodies of very few billionaires garner more ethical weight than hundreds of poor desperately trying anything to improve their lot in life, dealt by greedy hoarders?
I suspect they imploded.
These super deep subs are traditionally not reused very long, because the stress of the water pressing and then releasing weakens them. The more compression-decompression cycles they take the faster they degrade.
From all the reports, they got a lot of reports of issues that they ignored. I read that one of the reporters who saw it found it to be very jury rigged together. Apparently it was not certified in any way.
Even if they did survive and the ballast worked correctly, they would surface quickly (decompression sickness?) and cannot open the hatch from the inside. The thing doesn't float above the water, so its going to be a pain to find. Also they didn't paint it bright orange with blinking lights, its white, gray, and blue.
Overall, a lot of poor decisions and ignoring advice lead to disaster.
Found yes, alive no.
i honestly don't know if i can imagine a worse way to die than spending days trapped in a tiny tube in the middle of the fucking ocean with people i barely know, slowly suffocating suspended in a gigantic void. i hope they find those guys alive.
Cant imagine worse? Here, let me help. This is an excerpt from the Hoosac Tunnel incident wiki:
The deadliest accident was the explosion in the Central Shaft on October 17, 1867. Workers were digging the tunnel's 1,028-foot (313 m) vertical exhaust shaft when a candle in the hoist building ignited naphtha fumes that had leaked from a "Gasometer" lamp.[12] The ensuing explosion set the hoist on fire, and it collapsed into the shaft. Four men near the top of the shaft escaped, but 13 men working 538 feet (164 m) below were trapped by falling naphtha and pieces of iron. The pumps were also destroyed, and the shaft began to fill with water. A worker named Mallory was lowered into the shaft by a rope the next day; he was overcome by fumes and reported no survivors, and no further rescue attempts were made.
Several months later, workers reached the shaft's bottom and found that several victims had survived long enough to fashion a raft before suffocating
Thank you, that was helpful.
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Ever hear the story of Hisashi Ouchi? He died from radiation poisoning over the course of 83 days, before life support was finally unplugged and he was allowed to die. Until that point though, life support kept his body alive as it deteriorated and decayed.
He was known as the most irradiated living man in history. A fascinating story, but not one for the faint of heart.
Ok yeah that would be worse.
Well when you put it that way…
There's apparently banging in the area in 30 minute intervals. That's hopeful.
Getting them to the surface within the confines of their remaining oxygen limit is another story....
If you read the articles closely, the banging stopped a long time ago. They had 40hrs of oxygen, max, left on Tuesday, so time is running short.
Supposedly a Navy drone sub has arrived in Newfoundland that is capable of lifting the Titan. But they're really running down to the wire and they still have to locate the sub and get the drone out to the location.
Depends how you look at it. I think it's not hopeful because this implies they are in fact submerged and not on the surface (remember they can't open the hatch from the inside so that has been a perfectly valid scenario as well). That in turn implies they're most likely S.O.L I'm afraid. They have like 24 hours left and haven't even found the sub yet. Getting the logistics done and hauling this one up itself takes a long time.
I’ve not read this detail. Got a source for it?
Underwater noises heard in search for missing sub near Titanic wreck
It can be done. They have equipment and protocols for rescuing people from submerged subs.
They do, yeah, but not from the depth of the Titanic wreck. If they are truly at the bottom, there is only a small amount of machines that are capable of going that deep. This is all new territory for rescue teams.
Not saying it can't be done, just that the prospects don't appear hopeful to me, especially given they only have around 24 hours of oxygen remaining. They still haven't even located them.. I seriously hope they are rescued, but I think probability is against them unfortunately..
If they can get to them, they can hook external O2 up.
Or atleast drill some air holes if they are on the surface until they can find a wrench, but I imagine whatever size wrench is needed is being carried by a lot of people out there.
I don't think they'll be able to depressurize their ascension that quick without dangerous consequences. Likely they'll need 02 before they get to that point.
I've heard a lot about oxygen reserves and zero about whether they have enough water for 3+ days.
Don't forget the frigid temperature at that depth...
I'm sure they have a couple of cases of Fiji Water in there. Even if not, three days without water shouldn't kill someone who passes a physical I'm sure everyone on board had to take ...
Highly doubt it. I've been watching coverage and it seems pretty unlikely they will be found before their oxygen runs out (assuming they are even still alive and haven't died as a result of an implosion).
What irks me with all the coverage, however, is that no one is pointing out the potential harm to all the people involved in trying to rescue these people. The Coast Guard and other outfits undertaking the rescue attempts are put in danger the whole time they are out there. And of course there's the cost involved as well.
Just imagine, these idiots spend 250k to sit in a iron tube controlled by a cheap offbrand playstation controller but won't spend any of their money to improve the world. Only satisfying their own ego and greed. I can't feel sorry for them, best I can do is hope that they imploded so they didn't have to suffer too long.
It's more than a little ironic they [presumably] died in an accident caused by cutting corners on regulations and safety by saying things like "certifications cost too much time and money, we shouldn't have to train someone just to convince them that this is safe", as well as doing things like firing safety personnel when they object to the submersible's worthiness.
I saw someone call it the 'minimim viable submersible' and I've never heard a better description as someone who spends all day working on minimum-viable-product style projects
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You fuckin know it lmao I was just reading on Twitter how they're sending up a c-130 and some special military submersible to help with the search. Who's paying for that? 🤷🏻♂️
Taxpayers, of course 😶 Meanwhile the EU turns a blind eye to people drowning in crappy boats escaping crappy places to get to a better country.
Tax payers already paid for the damn thing... We might as well get some use out of it.
And it's pretty excellent training for future search and rescue missions.
That's one of the major benefits the military gets out of this sort of operation.
Lessons learned in this scenario may later save the lives of submariners, even if the billionaires aren't so lucky.
It's very ironic that the wealthiest man in Pakistan and his son are going to die in a submarine when 100;s of Pakistanis just drowned trying to seek refuge from the country theses men exploited.
Its karma.
And here I was beginning to lose faith in karma
"This submersible has not been tested or approved and may cause death"
"wHeRe dO I sIgN???"
To be fair, there's nothing wrong with using a controller to control things, off-brand or otherwise.
Both industry and the military use off-the-shelf game controllers for things, because they're easy to obtain, ergonomic and relatively intuitive.
Although using a wireless one that was infamous for having dropout issues, without some backup mechanism that could also be used to control the submersible was probably something of a mistake. At minimum, you'd expect that they would use one that was wired, just in case someone forgot to charge the batteries before hand, and/or didn't bring a spare.
Sure, but not for something as safety critical as the primary way to control it. There's just so many failure modes. Imagine if one of the sticks pots failed and made them spin uncontrollably. Regardless, they had IIRC six different independent fail-safes to force them to surface. So I'm sure they put some more thought into it than people are giving them credit for.
I'm not going to diss on Logitech, they make some good reliable controllers. I would place them bottom on the list of things that probably broke.
That being said. I can understand why someone from the outside sees a plastic controller and wonder why they didn't go with the more expensive plastic controller. But in the end, they both have the same parts. I would also find it VERY strange that there wouldn't be a backup controller.
Though it is hard to take pity on the situation when one has to consider. That 250k a ticket is more then 20 single mothers working 2 jobs, so they can feed their kids, so this dude can go see the titanic..... in person.... Because video documentaries of every angle of the titanic in 4k resolution don't exist in 2023 apparently.
I find a lot of people don't have a mindset of considering how things could go wrong. It usually works, and it's always worked so far for them, therefore it will always work going forward. Plus, it's just so convenient.
For example, there are people who use their phone as their car key. They simply don't think about what happens if their phone is lost/stolen, damaged, or even just out of battery. They may or may not learn a lesson when they get burned by it.
Backup controller but somebody forgot to bring the extra batteries.
I'm not really in the business of defending billionaires but I think at least one of them, the guy who brought his son, was involved with charities:
"He works with his family's Dawood Foundation, as well as the SETI Institute - a California-based research organisation which searches for extra-terrestrial life.
"Shahzada is also a supporter of two charities founded by King Charles - the British Asian Trust and the Prince's Trust International."
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65955554
He sounds (sounded) like a good person.. I do find it interesting that the other billionaires don't have any mentions of charitable works in articles I've read in them.
If people were willing to pay taxes and work toward equitability, charities for the poor wouldn’t be necessary.
Yep. I just want these fuckers to pay their fair share in taxes and to stop using their wealth to influence politics.
Every billionaire uses charities.
They're a way to exert control over the money that would normally go to taxes, and be up to the government to spend.
It's not inherently bad, but charity is not quite the saving grace of billionaires that many make it out to be.
Rich people charities are money laundering and tax avoidance vehicles.
That too.
These billionaires just bought themselves something money can't buy, a footnote on a Wikipedia page somewhere that their deaths were loosely related to the Titanic.
Given that every billionaire has blood and suffering on their hands in at least ab abstract fashion and it's hard to feel sorry for them too.
Sadly I don't think so. This incident was absolutely preventable. Someone warned them about this and they got fired. A makeshift vessel that wasn't inspected/certified, immersed to almost 3 times the rated depth, controlled by a wireless Logitech gamepad from 2010 with no redundancy and only 96 hours of oxygen. I really really hope for a last minute miracle though...
Seeing the construction of the submersible, I would not have rode in it... As soon as the inventer said "I got these from, uh, camper world.." I would be scurrying the hell out of that thing...
Apparently the acrylic viewing window was not rated for that depth, and the body of the submersible is constructed from carbon fiber... That whole rig seems sketchy as hell to me...
I mean, I agree that the construction is sketchy (runs the whole thing from an off-brand playstation controller? Couldn't splurge on the $800 for a real cassette toilet?), but acrylic and carbon fiber are appropriate material choices, if they were used in the appropriate thicknesses and configurations.
this video's journalists even are like "dude this is incredibly scuffed", those scientists with them should be considered heroes in some sense
A swedish submarine officer put it bluntly in an interview today, and i paraphrase: "most likely it developed a crack and instantly decompressed like a crushed soda can"
I'm a bit confused that this is receiving so much attention. What's so special about this case compared to all the other cases of people being lost at sea every year, besides them being rich?
I don't think that this is the right question for this community, but I'm not optimistic on their rescue.
Even under ideal conditions, the ocean is enormous, and even with all things going well, finding a properly-equipped submarine that wants to be found, can be a bit like a needle in a haystack, at least according to people with more naval experience than I.
I hope that they would be rescued, since suffocating to death in a metal tube that's sealed from the outside seems like rather a horrid way to go, but at the same time, the submersible that is lost was not particularly well equipped. The control system was a wireless game controller which was infamous for having dropout issues. Using controllers is fine and all, since they're often used in commercial and military applications due to their intuitiveness and better ergonomics (plus the manufacturer doesn't have to design and build a new one from scratch), but using one that was infamous for having connection problems was rather tempting fate.
The lost submersible also didn't have anything like an emergency beacon that could be used to locate them, and it was sealed from outside. Even if they managed to resurface, anyone aboard would still be trapped within the tube, unable to get out.
Could you imagine if it was something super dumb like the controller battery wasn’t charged prior and the USB port wasn’t working or something.
It's astonishing to me that they wouldn't have an emergency beacon on a marine vessel that will kill it's occupants if not unsealed in time.
It's not like a beacon would be that expensive.
And why wasn't there an independently powered ballast ditching system? Like an emergency button to quickly surface?
With the known unsafe culture of the company, and these obvious oversights, it's amazing this didn't happen sooner.
I wouldn't even be surprised if the emergency air was somehow compromised in order to save a couple dollars.
OceanGate is just as doomed as their CEO.
A couple things are potentially different from how op laid them out. (From my understanding)
The vessel was designed to automatically begin resurfacing after a set period of time underwater, even without pilot input, so it might not be very deep at all. The problem is it doesn't sit very high in the water and is very hard to see.
They don't necessarily have 2 days of oxygen left, those were calculated values, and there may be other gaseous build ups that impair the totally oxygen supplies.
I hope it was over quickly for them, I don't know how you could resurface that type of vessel without breaking it. I hope we will find evidence and be able to piece together what happened, but I suspect it'll just be lost at sea. I don't think there's any conspiracy up keep evidence away from the public, I think most people underestimate how difficult it is to find 4 cubic meters inside a 10 cubic kilometer area, hell that would be hard without that area being covered in water.
I mean, I hope they survive but I'm not holding my breath.
No. Chances are high that that submarine just imploded in a millisecond and they just instantly died. Why else would it stop sending pings and completely dissappear otherwise?
My understanding is that chances are slim to none. I understand that whatever malfunction happened that cut the contact, has some likelihood to have been a much greater malfunction than just radio, and that they’ve quite possibly already been dead a while.
And even if not, my understanding is that they’re scanning a massive swath of sea and it’s very much a needle-in-a-haystack situation. I wouldn’t be surprised if the only reason such an unlikely operation is taking place, is because the people involved can afford it.
Hell, there's often great difficulty finding divers inside of a finite cave. Water is one of the few things that can truly make you dissapear.
A lot of people imagine underwater sonar to be the way that it is in movies. It's been a while, but IIRC, underwater sonar is full of many shapes and blobs. Many things look like other things even at a depth of only 500 feet (0.1km). If we use the titanic for reference, the submarine may be sitting at around a depth of 12,500 feet (3.8km).
Even for a depth of 500 feet (0.1km), you often have to be in a specific area near the object to "read" it properly. If you add random debris, sea life, and the fact that the missing object is a very rounded shape, you're in for a rough time. It can be easy to miss an entire pickup truck at that smaller depth, and the sub in question isn't much longer than a pickup truck. Depending on how much debris there is, you may not be able to make out distinct shapes. It could very well be hiding amongst bunch of wreckage.
I don't like the thought of people dying like that, but I would be amazed if they succeeded in bringing everyone back alive. Not the way I would want to go.
Thanks for explaining all that. Definitely not the way I’d want to go either. My best wish for them right now is that they’ve been gone a while and that it was fast, and not a slow, suffocating death.
They didn't have radio communication. Water is really good at blocking all signals.
My most insightful takeaway is: water is awesome, it allows life and all; but it’s also kind of a jerk.
Unlikely. Even if they could find the sub, safely raising it or somehow docking with it would take too long. They’re almost out of oxygen, so that thing is a sarcophagus at this point.
Thing probably breached. And imploded. Insta death. I was reading that the acrylic window was only rated to 1,300 m (4,300 ft).
That thing was a joke. They used a game controler for steering and everything but the hull itself was the cheapest crap one can imagine according to the BBC…
Agreed. Once I saw how cheap they built it…. It’s basically curtains.
Hope I’m wrong
It was also sealed from outside, so even if they managed to safely surface, they have no way of opening it, or getting out for air or anything of that nature.
It's basically a coffin.
Do you mean imploding? Because if they didn’t implode, being stuck in a sub for days, slowly waiting to suffocate, ist fucking horrible.
I don't like millionaires/billionaires but I wouldn't wish that kind of harrowing ordeal on anyone. I hope they survive somehow.
It really depends on how they went. Sudden implosion of the hull, quick and easy.
Floating around for days until your air runs out, wondering if someone will find you... Not so much.
Normally I wouldn't sympathize with billionaires, but what a horrible way to die! Sadly I don't think they'll be rescued.
Certainly it is possible that they surfaced once they lost connection though... Even so, the search areas are huge
At this point, I'd be surprised if they were ever found. Assuming the sub is still intact and not wondering aimlessly, the sheer size of the search area makes it difficult to find the sub.
If they're not already dead, they're going to be soon. The capsule has no hatch and can't be located, let alone dragged back to the surface. They were fucked the second they bolted that death trap shut.
I think they are gone. Safety regulations are a thing for a reason.
I've read that the sub in question was only rated for 1300 ft, and they were taking it on dives of up to 4000 ft. Unless the sub surfaced as part of a safety protocol, there is an exceedingly high probability that the sub imploded and killed everybody.
The submersible was suppose to automatically lose it's ballast and surface on it's own in an emergency situation, and that didn't happen. A reasonable explanation for this is that it imploded.
I'm not sure how quickly that process happens. I heard that the hooks that hold the ballast slowly dissolve in salt water, and the ballast will eventually fall off, but there was no information on how long that process would take.
I'm assuming that it isn't necessarily an emergency system, and it could be weeks for that to happen. Seems more of a recovery system that an emergency system.
The ballast in the video was just construction steel tubes
Could the sub be stuck? Maybe they tried to get into the Titanic through a hole or something and got stuck.
They're out of air by now. They ded.
Sadly, I think they are screwed, they either imploded, they are trapped and dying/dead somewhere with no means of rescue, or possibly surfaced with no comms and stranded somewhere. They ded.
I watched a news segment on these subs before this event, and the "door" is one of the caps which is bolted on from the outside. Even if they surfaced, they'd be trapped inside until they run out of oxygen...
Here's the video
Wow what a nightmare scenario. You have an emergency and surface only to find no one around. You look outside and see the sun so all is well but damn the radio isn’t working and you spend your remaining time running out of oxygen staring out at the horizon.
I'm gonna go out on limb and say they're no longer with us.
I don't like billionaires but of course I wish for their miracle survival. As unlikely as it seems.
And if they don't make it, I hope it was a quick and painless death for all of them...
I think they discovered the crush depth of their sub was a little shallower than they thought it would be, and are all already dead. The search team says they heard a banging sound, but they’re next to a huge old wreck full of old garbage that is a probably the source of a lot of banging sounds.
Hard to tell, it's all about luck at this point. Latest news are
"Canadian P-3 aircraft detected underwater noises in the search area," the U.S. Coast Guard tweeted early Wednesday morning. "As a result, ROV operations were relocated in an attempt to explore the origin of the noises. Those ROV searches have yielded negative results but continue."The data from the P-3 has been shared with U.S. Navy experts for further analysis, the Coast Guard added.Source: https://abcnews.go.com/International/live-updates/missing-titanic-tourist-submersible/uscg-canadian-aircraft-detected-underwater-noises-but-search-yielded-negative-results-100264346?id=100224153
I told my wife last night that I was glad to be broke for once in my life, lol
I would say that all reasonable efforts should be made to rescue or recover anyone and everyone who has gone missing. We can figure out the rest once we exhaust all optons, or have them back on the boat.
Reasonable efforts? Is it reasonable to send out several militaries and spend endless taxpayer money to rescue a bunch of idiots out joyriding?
To me it seems like a good "excuse" for an exercise for those militaries?
Don't give Russians any ideas or they'll use it next. "We didn't invade Ukraine, it's actually a rescue operation."
That's literally what they said. They were rescuing people in the Donbas region from neo-nazis
I agree. The value isn't necessarily the recovery of the individuals (though, cool bonus if possible.) The value is a real S&R mission for the parties involved, as well as data relating to how exactly the sub failed
Unrelated note, on the off chance that these people are rescued, I imagine reading these comment threads about this event is going to be fuckin WILD
There is value to the military to use this exercise as a training mechanism for future search and rescue initiatives like on military subs. The experience of doing a real search and rescue in extreme conditions is more valuable than a drill or simulation from what I’ve been told.
unlikely. sub rescues are hardly successful. Their sub could have imploded, fast way to die. Had a power failure wich would takes days to die either from a lack of o2 or possibly the cold. Or it reached the surface and they got to look out at thet ocean until about noon their time tomorrow unable to open the hatch and slowly die from a lack of air.
Wishing death on people is a very garbage take
Either way I hope someone like James Cameron makes a movie about it. A 21st century Das Boot could be good
Short answer: no
Long answer: NOOOOOOOOOOO
Folks, the Titan submersible is a capsule that travelers are sealed into ** from the outside.** The passengers could be adrift on the surface, the air could run out, and they could theoretically suffocate on the surface. It's locked with bolts from the outside. Yeah, the 96 hours of oxygen could be stretched if the passengers conserved their oxygen. That is, if they are not a part of the debris field that was located near the Titanic. Each passing minute now is increasingly likely to change this from rescue to recovery.
Calling it Titan and having it going to the Titanic is quite a coincidence, especially as both seem to be ending tragically. Calling the Company OceanGate (with the -gate suffix being tied to scandals like Gamergate, Contragate, Pizzagate, Partygate, Chinagate, Deflategate, Watergate, etc.) is quite a coincidence too. That little conspiracy theorist inside my head wonders if they aren't somehow related, like a group suicide pack wanting to be remembered for being brave or something. It's probably just two weird coincidences, but boy howdy is this weird.
Nope.
From what I've heard by experts, no. That chance is now extremely slim. Basically they then need to be found on the water surface. It's a complex logistical challenge to lift a submersible at these incredible depth. I think certainly not done over a day or two even working around the clock.
And what's worse now is they've apparently heard banging noises which indicates they are submerged. :-(
Probably not. Pretty shitty way to go out to be honest.
They are lost. Even if they found them alive, they can't transfer them off the vehicle. they are even bolted in. the shell is made from 5 inch thick spun titanium carbon fiber with a bonded ring and a metal cap on each end. the pressure vessel most probably shattered then everything got squished.
edit for spelling
Rescued? Maybe. Rescued alive? Doubtful.
Being realistic, they're probably gonna all be dead, and may never be found
I think the boat got crushed and they died on the first day its terrible but at least they probably died before they even knew they had a problem
At this point, I think they have less than 24 hours of air left, so I highly doubt they'll be alive when/if the sub is found
Lost subs don't tend to have happy endings. Was there ever a successful rescue at all?
The deepest rescue in history was 1500ft. They went to 13000 ft in a tube not up to safety standards, they are well and truly fucked. Even if emergency mechanisms made them surface then they're still locked inside because they can't open it from the inside, floating somewhere right beneath the surface of the ocean.
This same company, OceanGate, had lost a sub for 2 hours on a previous trip. So maybe encouraged recklessness.
At this point, no. As I'm writing this comment, they barely have an hour of oxygen left. Yeah, they're dead for sure.
I think we all hope they get rescued but if they are on the bottom of the ocean the odds are not in their favor. Even if they are located in time it will take forever to attach a line to the craft and pull it up.
Why didn't they have a plan of action for this? Why did they not think to put a location beacon on the craft, or a means of communication????
I don't think it's looking good. If they're at depth, I don't even know how they would be rescued
An ROV could attach a couple lift bags to it, fill them and bob it to the surface for retrieval, but the problem would be that it would take a lot of compressed gas to get the initial lift considering 13,000 ft is like 385 atm. Once it gets moving though, watch out!
What a horrible way to go. Hopefully rescuers succeed.
That being said, judging by the photo, if they are still viewing everything through a screen, what was the point going down with the submarine and not just sending a robot with a video feed?
I'm pretty sure this picture is taken from outside the viewport judging form the vignetting around the photo
I know this comment is old so you may already know, but there was no viewport. May not be able to install one to withstand the pressure at those depths. They all had to watch what they were swimming around via that screen.
Are you sure? I'm sure they have to navigate with the screens but equally sure there's a porthole on the bolted "door"
Pictures from BBC: 1 2
The rescue would be miraculous. So, no. Sadly.
The only outcome we can be sure of at this point is that the company responsible for this mess is going to have to answer a lot of questions.
depends on if its o2 depletion or implosion
the second one is quick and easy. the first one would be tough. imagine dying breath by breath. most people aren't afraid of death, it's the dying part...
Sadly no. It probably had a leak and everyone was instantly crashed like a pop can…
Negative. I don’t think we’ll even find wreckage, and if we do, reaching it will be difficult and expensive.
Strange question... did you post it in 'no stupid questions' for a specific reason?
If they're found in time, they'll be rescued.
If not, and they don't surface, they won't.
It's been stated that there's a very high chance that they won't be found.
It's also been stated that they had drop-weights, so it seems they didn't drop those, or they got trapped - which means they'd be much harder to find as they aren't out in the open.
There's also a good chance they imploded already - which is an alternative explanation for them failing to drop weights and start to surface.
When will the movie come out?
Titanic 2
Maybe more like
Titan: Curse of the Titanic
They fucked.
Nope sadly a 250k coffin
THey dead
They forgot to charge the pad and didn’t bring the USB cable, so no. They’re doomed, unfortunately.
Or they thought having their lives depend on the 'stable' experience Bluetooth provides would spice things up. Nothing gets that blood pumping like a 'could not pair with device' at 3800 meters below the surface.
No. Even if they find where it is, they have to figure out a way to a) get to it and b) bring it to the surface.
The only subs that can go down there are automated rovers, which are not designed for lifting objects. They don't have the ability to bring the sub to the surface, and I guess the best hope would be that they could free the sub if it was entangled in something.
But considering they haven't even found the sub yet, it would be at least 12 hours before they could devise a rescue plan if they even found it.
I think the sub imploded hours after they lost connection.
Nope sub rescues are hard in shallow lakes. In the deep ocean they are boned. Unless they surfaced consider them dead
Nope. Our orca friends made sure of it.
Out of the loop. What's about orcas? I've been reading comments about them but I don't see the relation.
I don't think that it's quite directly related to submarines or anything, but there seems to be a recent trend within the orca community that has them ripping the rudders off of boats, after an orca was hit/injured by one. The others started pulling them off too, and it's behaviour that spread to other pods.
It's unclear whether this is something that will keep going, or whether it's just a fad of theirs, like wearing a dead fish on their head, which was something that was observed back in 1987.
All hail our orca overlords!
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Well, they've got 9 hours and 20 minutes of oxygen supply left as of this post.
Apparently not. It imploded. They've found a debris field.
"currently stuck" is a euphemism - they are dead. They are gone.
I dont think they can survive 2 more days. 1. They are not trained for such situation 2. They arent even found ( for now ) 3. The sub has no backups
Best thing they can do is for most of them to go to sleep and conserve oxygen. Good luck sleeping while afraid for your life though.
I just checked the BBC news website. The sub wreckage has been found. They are confirmed deceased.
I think the difference is in knowing where the capsized ship is and having a survivor count at all.
Meanwhile it’s a race against time for an unknown location of a submersible that sits in a relatively rare class for depth.
I’m not that hopeful but regardless of who they are, it’s a rather distressing thought putting yourself in anyone’s shoes from either incident.
This article goes into the enormous amount of resources being deployed to find this submersible.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65957990
It does not mention how to rescue them.. How would you even rescue them?
I forget the company but someone with a certified 6k depth sub is standing by waiting for coast guard and govt approval to dive down there with an attached drag line capable of pulling the missing ship up to the surface. Basically one big tow line and an powerful wench. It would take a few hours to pull them up.
I wonder who ends up paying for all this rescue effort?
My guess is money will save them. I'm only slightly joking
No, they're already dead. Most likely the sub cracked under the water pressure, instakilling them. Or they froze to death. Or they ran out of air; they have oxygen but no CO2 scrubber.
Doubt that these guys will be found alive. Maybe in a few years someone will find their submarine
Is this the actual sub? It's just a tube, this looks awful.
Poor pilot :(
the pilot is/was the sub company's CEO. He'd fired the whistleblower who's pointed out the sub's faults.
fired AND tried to sue him for "leaking company information"
Good phrasing.
That's some karma.
According to David Lochridge (their Director of Marine Operations who was fired and sued for whistleblowing), the passenger viewport was only certified for depths of up to 1,300 meters (4,265 feet), and OceanGate would not pay for the manufacturer to build a viewport certified for 4,000 meters, the depth at which the Titanic rested. .
https://apnews.com/article/titanic-missing-submersible-lawsuit-oceangate-0e5fc9a0313938fdf408b1459538d9ef
I don't understand...
So, the CEO knows this, decided against upgrading the viewpoint putting his giga wealthy customers at risk, who likely could sue him or just straight up ruin him, decided to go with it anywa, AND boarded the sub himself.
My brain doesn't comprehend this logic.
My sense is that this is a guy who has (had) gotten very, very lucky in life and mistook that for genius and infallibility. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out that he has broken the law in many instances.
I had hope this morning. It's gone now. If they didn't have a "holy shit we've spotted them!" moment really soon after that, there was no chance of rescue in time before the oxygen was certainly gone.
Suffocating? I’ve heard it’s panic inducing and awful, not my first choice.
They should given cyanide pills to everybody in that metal pipe, like they did for all the missions to the moon.
If the sub imploded yes. If it reached the surface. The worst. The sub can be open only from the outside.
My guess is no. The delay in getting the search up and running. Time to search. Something went wrong, likely that didn't help them live. I'm sure they'll find the coffin and recover it.
I think they are dead right now, probably the sub just imploded
nope. with the amount of time they've been down there so far and the volume of space inside the thing, they would have exhaled enough CO2 to have all at least lost consciousness if not suffocated
I thought I read they had CO2 scrubbers and enough o2 to extend their life support to 96 hours or so, is that not the case?
Though thinking, if they lost power the scrubbers won't function without manually pumping air through and who knows if that's a possibility. I would specify two backups for the scrubber power along with other mitigation, but the way this has gone I am confident they have nothing like that.
They're reporting hearing bangs underwater, so hopefully at least one of them is still alive.
If they're deep down, it's unlikely. A good outcome would be something failed, but they could get up and are now lost on the surface, but from everything we've read about this it doesn't seem likely either.
No.
Doubt it. The sub might be found, sure but I don't think they'll still be alive at this rate.
I don't think they will survive. What a horrible way to go. :(
If it helps: most likely the vessel imploded, and that is so quick they wouldn't even have had time to process what was happening. By the time any pain signal would get to the brain, there's no brain left to receive it. So... probably the best way to go, IMO.
Nope.
I have no idea, but saw someone on the news saying that the chance is not high that they recover it in time
I hope not.
I think they're going to make it bros. We're all going to make it.
How so? Seems like a shit way to die to me. It’s not fast. Plus you are crammed in with a bunch of other dudes.
I guess once you pass out from anoxic brain injury, it might peaceful.
1st thing I thought when I heard they were missing is, yep, it was an iceberg.
This may be too soon but l/agedlikemilk. Yes, I know it doesn't link it, yes I know it's not reddit, hell I don't even know if the agedlikemilk subreddit is on Lemmy, but it's the thought that counts.
I think if someone wants to dive to the wreckage of the Titanic again, they should ask the Russians for the Mir bathyscaphe, which definitely works reliably.
Probably not but shit to hear them die in a sub cool place to die tho
With the current situation, no. If by some miracle they can restore communication to the surface then they might be able to call for help to pinpoint their location, otherwise it's likely death for them.
Idk sounds pretty bad to me
I feel like they will take their place among darwin awards winners. a shocker to everyone (sarcasm) rich folks aren’t always the brightest.
They couldn’t be found yet. So no.
Last Moments...poor poor Ringo...massive pressure was his Huckleberry
Rip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99J809CX_FU
There is hope
Very unlikely
Sounds like they ran out of air.
Nope and never did.
Maybe
If you're dumb enough to wedge yourself into a sardine can then you may as well sleep with the fishes
Depends on how it went...
With all the news I keep hearing. I dont think they will survive. I guess thats one less billionaires in the world. Probaby for the better.
lol no
A bunch of billionaires bite the bullet on a dumb, rich tourist expedition? Lol why should anyone care?
People hating coz they billionaire 😖. Pray for them, hope they survive
This could have been easily avoided by having a cable between the ship and the sub no? Seems like a sensible safety option...
I bet thousands had a worse end in Ukraine these days.
I think a better question would be "Should they be rescued?". Billionaires are a stain on humanity. You simply do not need that much wealth for any valid purpose.
I have plenty of criticisms about billionaires, but saying we should just let them die is going too far.
They are presented with the same choice every single day to condemn people to die by hoarding their unfathomable wealth. Anyone of them could singlehandedly end all deaths from polio or TB, but instead every single day they decide that the idea of only being worth $2 million dollars is so horrifying that they'd rather allow the deaths to continue unabated.
Same as the other responses I have given. I think we should make as much of an effort as we can for anyone. It doesn't mean I have like them, or what they do with their money.
After they've milked the rest of humanity to amass all that wealth, your solution is to spend more money on going to get them? They fucked around and found out.
I don't have to like them, or what they do with thier money, but we should make as much of an effort as we can to save anyone.
I think we have a moral imperative to rescue people who find themselves in dangerous situations due to no fault of their own. This is definitely not one of those cases. These people are ticks buried in the scrotum of society, and they're dying the same way that they lived... By soaking up a disproportionate amount of resources.
It's not an easy question, but I don't think it's about just choosing to stand idly by while they're dying. Finding and recovering the sub would be an incredibly difficult and expensive operation. It might not apply to you specifically, but if someone thinks that the government should try to save these people, regardless of the cost, I think it raises the question why we're letting other people die from preventable causes. Perhaps you disagree with current politics and think the government should do everything to save both rich and poor alike, but IMO if a multi-million $ rescue operation had been launched, it would've been a reminder that we, as a society, are letting other people die.
I don't think a persons socioeconomic status should be a determining factor of how much effort, and money we spend to save lives. We should do as much as we are able for anyone, and, yes, it is a reminder that we are letting other people die. I wish we as a society was better about that.
Edit: forgot a word 'factor'
You're right we should be more proactive
True, but there's also a pilot who's just doing his job. I'm also a little iffy on the 19 year old kid. Idc about the rest though
I thought the pilot is the CEO of the company. Not saying he earned being down there but I think it was a risk he was willing to take.
There is a French researcher on the submarine too though.
Edit: Anyways, I don't want them to die, but if they get rescued I hope they will pay for the entire rescue mission.
the pilot is the CEO iirc
As far as majority of the world is concerned, You are a billionaire too. Annual income of just $34k puts you in the top 1% globally. Why do you need so much wealth??
Go ESG? Die at sea.
I guess refusing to hire “experienced 50 year old white men” to build and safety check the sub bit him in the ass, didn’t it?
The cognitive dissonance displayed here is appalling. So many envious and evil fucks showing zero empathy for other humans dying a terrible death just because they have more money. Jesus fuck, people. If your life view makes you that uncaring of other humans then you need to pick a new life view or start getting on submarines yourself. You sit on the internet gleefully relishing in the deaths of others like that makes you more compassionate of poor people somehow?
Gross. You people are gross.
Hundreds of migrants drowned in the Mediterranean like not even more than a few days ago and I've seen at least 20x more of this kind of sentiment for a handful of rich dudes that wanted to go visit the titanic in a un-certified pringles can created by a company that recently fired it's director of marine operations because he wouldn't sign off on the safety of this thing. Their company website says they are not certified because certification impedes innovation 😵💫
Like I saw on Twitter yesterday these dudes are the deadest that anyone has ever been, whether you cry-yell at people on the internet for not being sufficiently crestfallen or not
It's amazing how much manufactured empathy you can buy with money
Yeah sickens me all the news goes on and on about this and the effort to rescue those rich fucks.
But silence when hundreds die but weren't rich. Sucks but they were stupid to go into that thing.